Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says it was a mistake to call the Afghanistan war a "War on Terror.
2 issues causing all the wars in the world.
1. Religion – unminds the worth of humanity
2. oil – greed folks...
Get rid of both of these and all issues disappear.
simply put-simply true
We all – agree for the oil, but religion was very rarely a cause for war. Religion is something that can give more personal and emotional strenght to fight to somebody, but not a direct motivation.
Even for the most violent religion, the Christianity, we can see only few war directly caused by religion: the crusade against the Catari (erethical christians) and may be the warbetwen catholics and protestant (Luteran) in the 1600.
The crusades to Jerusalem were not motivated by religion. Other issues were involved.
I think we can add to the oil the money coming to the military complex as a reason for wars.
Which of the 47 islamic nations are providing disaster aid to any country other than their own?
Elwood – almost all, especially the richest like S.Arabia, Emirates, Qatar, Iran and Turkey are helping the poorest, but there is little they can do against the US violence.
Elwood – Do your search idiot. there are news even in the CNN website. Look how Ahmadinejad was received in Lebanon by the people thankfull for his help in reconstruction after Israeli invasion.
Look at international newspapers....better yet go directly to any of the muslim country's newspaper. You will see the stats for yourself. Even BBC has the decency to publish this info but don't expect it from an American newspaper. Look outside of the box; there's a whole other world out there.
Middle east countries are poor and people are protesting everywhere as they have by and large dictatorships supported by the US. US is supporting the military in Pakistan, Egypt, S.Arabia, Quwait, not giving money to the people.
How come no Middle Eastern countries EVER help out the rest of the world when there is human tragedy involved?
Sherri – middle eastern countries first problem is to get rid of your occupation and military basis. They send money to Pakistan for the flood, while US gave money mostly to the Pak military to fight against their people.
Saudi Arabia even offered money (throuh Al Wahlid) to New York after 9/11 (but the major declined).
The problem is that, whilòe you are worried taht your money will go to other countrie, as you are very egoistic, the US IS NOT HELPING the people, but killing them. Follw the money is your battle cry and you are just a "moderate killer" as you claimed to be against the kill them all strategy, but you approve a kill part of them strategy, like you are doing in wyoming with the deer population to control their size.
Sherri – be aware that Pamiri is known in Afghanistan as a dogs washer and he is paid by you to tell what he is telling.
He is using your money, I am living on my own, little stupid girl.
Salerno-You claim American strategy is war mongering. You consistently try to say how horrible we are. I was merely pointing out that Middle eastern countries never offer aid/kindness.
I think you have some serious mental issues. You appear to be bi polar.
Sherri – I replied that middle east countries gave some help to the people and quoted some examoples.
So you have mental problems if you are unable to read my post.
You do not make any reaserch and you speak generic using false statements without supporting them with any proove like me.
You are unstable in your comments. On one hand you can make intellectual commentary and then other times you make irrational silly, childish statements like you did not take your medication. I do not mean that in a mean way. Actually, I do appreciate your view points most of the time. It is enlightening to read from another perspective.
Thank you for appreciating something, but where I was childish ? You too seem unstable to me as sometimes you declare to be sorry for what is happening but you support it in the name of a "broader picture" I would be unable to see.
Because you refuse to see it...... Look at other sources than the American news.
Now Karzai is more trying to bring the Taliban back on power, but its good that most of the People of the country do not want them back, because Taliban are brutal and servants of Pakistan and Karzai is too,
Salerno-what argument is there about "how horrible" our soldiers are when just recently yet another Taliban blew up something else and killed innocent people again? Here again, the irony of it all is that you have ignorant impoverished indigenous populations that are too stupid to realize they are just destroying themselves.
You fail to see the bigger picture.
I will not go to links I do not trust. Sorry, but I do not know you and have serious doubts that you have my best interest at heart.
THERE ARE PHOTOS IN THE SITE. THERE IS AN ARTICLE EVEN IN NEW YORK TIMES DEC 28-2009.
OF COURSE THE PROBLEM IS NOT OUR INTEREST BUT THE HUMANITY FOR CHILDREN WHO DIE.
PLEASE LOOK OTHERWISE YOU ARE LIKE AND EVEN WORSE THAN THE KILLERS TURNING YOUR FACE IN OTHER DIRECTION !!!!!! PLEASE !! WHAT HAVE THOSE PEOPLE DONE TO YOU ?
I WILL BOW TO YOUR SUPERIORITY IF YOU ACCEPT TO SEE AND TO TALK.
IT IS NOT FOR ME BUT FOR THE INNOCENT
HELP WHEN POSSIBLE NOT KILL WHEN NECESSARY.
I HAVE THE SAME ECONOMIC INTERESTS AS YOU SHERRI AS I AM PART OF THE US ECONOMY AND I OWN PART OF USA AND US GOVERNMENT. OUR DIFFERENCE IS JUST THAT I PUT FIRST HUMAN LIFE !!!
I DO NOT WANT ANYONE INNOCENT BE KILLED BY OUR MILITARY.
FYI Salerno- I am referring to the impoverished all over the world not just Middle East. Mexico has had over 35,000 killed in the last three-four years. Africa and the Middle East are in the millions in the last 10-15 years.
If you really started thinking scientifically and economically about it it makes sense. Shrinking the human population limits the strain of resources on the earth. The Middle East has vast untapped resources. Mexico has vast resources. Africa has vast resources. They are getting rid of indigenous populations.
Sherri – Ok, here the topic is the middle east and Afghanistan, as the US is involved in war. Mexico is an internal problem.
Afriva had a big ethnic cleansing in Rwanda and violence in other countries too. The point is that you still seem supporting the US military without acnowledge that they are doing a mass murdering not just in Iraq, but even in Afghanistan .
Did you see the links ??
Sherri – please see what your supported soldiers are doing :
There are many stories in this website of the Afghan women organization. You must read !!
Salerno is off his medication once again. Poor little one.
As she showed some light of humanity and second thinking.
My links were directed to Sherri not to the idiots.
Trying to have a battle of wits with half wits IS difficult. Logic and truth don't penetrate. They have their little drum and they just beat it. (Play on words there, too, if you want....) The cancer spreads.......
The international forces policy and the Afghan policy has a very connected ties, each other, if this two bother the Pakistan,Iran, Russia, China and Soudi Arabia then what should we do, we are not thinking to benifit enimies, we must know our friends and our enimies well,
You are simply talking non-sense. All countries fought their wars in Afghanistan without any respect for civilians and US are no different from the others.
Thank you Sherri for your peacefull stance ! I am exhausted now.
I support the US soldiers only when they defend the borders and the international water from piracy.
As you pointed out mass killing is not a human solution and even the soldiers should object instead of following orders, like was told to the Nazi in the Norimberg trial.
Nobody is rounding up certain civilians and gassing them to death.So you cannot equate us with the Nazis. There are some civilians mistakenly or accidentally being killed but not intentionally like the Taliban and it's terrorist allies do. So you can equate them with the Nazis!
WRONG- American's ROE are even more criminal compared wiith the Nazi. They considered women and children like enemies and do not count them as civilian casualties. This is why even in Kabul there are massive protests against American occupation as I demonstrated posting 3 links above.
The international forces beat the Alqaeda-terrorists and we Afghan all support that, if Karzai and some his affiliated support or no, dose not matter, God is with right people and not with worg
Great definition on what a terrorist is.So you are saying the best resolution is to send our American soldiers there and have a kill em all strategy? I know poverty is a pitiful, world tom live in and many take advantage of the impoverished but why is it that America has to be the ones to send our troops into harms way to help the rest of the world?
Sharri – please read these 2 links: http://www.uruknet.de/?p=61819
http://www.rawa.org (massive protest in Kabul (afghanistan)
NY times published the article on december 28 2009.
Executions of kids are perpetrated since the beginning of the war by US.
US people are in the same situation of the German people ignoring what the Nazi soldiers did !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3 links, sorry.
Can't get to all three links idiot and the one, rawa .org talks about how afghans treat their women. Whatever you are trying to show the people who read these blogs is all propaganda that tries to make the United States of America and NATO out to be something bad where we all know what we are trying to do is good for the people and what the Taliban and it's terrorist allies have done for the people we all know IS BAD!!! Let Me ask you what good has the Taliban brought to it's people? if it has done any good it has all been erased by all the planting of bombs and suicide bombings!! Now look at what NATO has done also with all the different agencies and charities. Who has done better for the people? If only your guys can use all it's power to help the people instead of all the killings, then maybe Islam could become what it's prophet had hoped for not just a bunch of maniac killers but people with love in their hearts for one another!
Rawa.org is an otganization of women of Afghanistan born in 1987. The leader was killed by KGB and they are anti-fundamentalist and pro-democracy. So they should not be considered anti-USA ideologically, still they are crying against US atrocities and accusing them to kill the chilldren of Afghanistan. There are photoes and witnesses.
The youngest child deliberately executed was 11 y/old and others were prelevated at school before been executed.
War on terror was very right decision and its very right now, becase all of the terrorists is fighting against people which Taliban and Alqaeda,
to who we can call terrorst, I believe to whom, who kill people, who destroy schools, clinics, who making suicide bombing on people, who attack on banks to kill people, who has no respect to human being, who are living like slave and who have no system of democracy, who are brutal, its is clear according to the fact and in practice Alqaeda ( Taliban) are doing these all.
Rumsfeld is an idiot. Never trusted him or his strategies. We had no business in Iraq. The 9/11 attackers came from all over mainly Saudi Arabia wasn't it? I will defend our soldiers all day long because they have the dedication and honor to sacrifice their lives for duty to thier country but..............politicians are a whole nuther ball game.
I just can't imagine the total loss of middle eastern races since the 90'ss with Russia to now. It seems like a race is being wiped off the face of the earth.
We become so immune to mindless body counts. What is the mortality rate in Mexico since January-3,000? Again, the genocide of another race.
Where is the outcry from Humans rights organizations?
Guess what? It don't matter-these are all very poor uneducated people so it don't matter.
We give a moron like Rumsfeld a headline and a story just because he chose his words badly!!!! Come on people. It is not what they print or talk about it is what they do not.
You hate hindus. YOU are a hindu (said wit GREAT respect to all Hindus). Why this fool uses "hindu" as metaphor for something bad illustrates the racism of the islamic world. Him, of course, in particular.
Why he refuses to write with clarity is odd, to say the least. Maybe he simply can't. If his "style" is supposed to make him look superior, it is NOT working. It comes out as adolescent and juvenile.
The message he thinks he is sending is NOT the message we get from this "literary" affectation.
Delightful! You just made my point!
Hey! Nice! No (parentheses)! I'm proud of you!
I don't give s hit about what you think of Lionheart. I am well aware of who he was and his place in history. Making love and having wild s ex is better than butchering people for sport.
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Lionheart – you are ridiculouse pretending to imitate Yacobi's superior style. You have not the same great culture and skill.
Superior style? SUPERIOR STYLE? BBBBBWWWWWAAAAAA HA HA HA Ha HA HA!
This is from an opinion article I wrote in Janurary of 2008:
"Terrorism is a reactionary tactic, not a tangible enemy. My original apprehension regarding President Bush's mindset occurred when he announced that the United States was going to fight a war "against terrorism." It still concerns me greatly that our Commander in Chief and most of our government officials hold onto the "War on Terror" slogan, which I believe to not only be ambiguous but embarrassingly amateurish. Winning a war against a millennia-old tactic is unrealistic and impossible. Personally, I would drop the phrase "War on terror" and replace it with realistic language. Terrorism is a tactic – not a tangible enemy. Identifying our enemies and settling upon the most effective method of dealing with them is possible and achievable.
Finally, we need to objectively consider the reasons why we were and are being attacked. What motivated and what motivates our enemy? Simply labeling them "extremists," "Islamo-facists," et cetera, is not helpful since it avoids analyzing the actual nature of the threat. In other words, we will not learn anything about our enemy or how to stop them attacking us by claiming "They attack us because they are "fanatics," and we know that they're "fanatics" because they attack us." Rather, we must determine as best we can why they want to attack us. If we determine this we can then work to remove that motivation. I agree with Professor Grant Wardlaw when he said "Understanding the mind-set of terrorists will help us understand how much of what they say is propaganda for effect and what they really believe and what's driving them (1)." Several experienced and/or well studied people (see 2, 3, & 4) have discussed the causes contributing to terrorist activity, and suggested ways to remove the terrorists’ motivation(s). What we need are leaders and policy makers who have the intelligence, courage, and committed desire to act upon what is actually known, rather than rely upon ignorance and fear tactics to keep us in an un-winnable and endless "War on Terror".
(1) "Face to face with the Bali Bombers" sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1558.asp – 90k
(2) Professor Johnson's article Blowback, in the 2001 October issue of The Nation: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011015/johnson
(3) Professor Robert Pape's 2005 Interview in The American Conservative: http://www.amconmag.com/2005a/2005_07_18/article.html
Professor Pape is the author of Dying to Win; the Logic of Suicide Terrorism.
(4) Michael Scheuer (link to an excerpt from his book, Imperial Hubris): http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1977111
Mr. Scheuer is the Former CIA Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station.
When I said Rumsfeld should read before acting and writing, I was referring to these writings you quoted.
Bin Laden originally wanted to kill Mubaraq, but the US arrested 4 members in Albany. So they bombed the US embassy in Africa, Clinton bombed Sudan and Afghanistan and they reacted with 9/11. US paid the military operations in the middle east, the presence in S.Arabia, the support for Israel, the Clinton bombing in Iraq. Osama used the antiamerican sentiment of the people to gain power.
To hell with the terrorists, they believe they should rule over the holy land and the entire Middle East with not one moderate Muslim nation befriending the western world especially the United States. These extremists believe that Islam will control the whole world and they will be the ruling power persecuting those who do not convert to Islam. There are many Muslims that have already begun their persecution on Christians with the killing of Christians and bombing of churches in many Muslim nations. Jesus had foretold all of this about the coming of the end times and in Revelation it talks about the beast that will round up ten kings to rule the world and this beast along with the false prophet (Mohammad)will be cast into the lake of fire with burning brimstone and their followers will be eaten by the fowl of the earth. AND SALERNO YOUR SUCH A LIAR, IF YOU WERE REFERRING TO THESE WRITINGS THEN TELL ME WHAT ARE THEIR MAIN SUBJECTS? AND WHAT SHOULD MANKIND LEARN FROM THEM?
DAN you are so stupid that you cannot see who is in fact killing innocent people in different parts of the world to rule the world. You think you can fool the world when they see that no Afghan had ever attacked America but rather same Afghan have made you the lone super of today's world which now Afghans see as wrong decision and fighting back to revers it. This is their right to defend against the aggressors .
"Dan from Chicago, IL",
You have been greatly mislead with regards to why terror tactics have been used against our (United States') citizens and servicepersons.
Please read (at the very least) Professor Pape's interview in The American Conservative: http://www.amconmag.com/2005a/2005_07_18/article.html
"The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland."
You make some excellent points. It is, among other things, a war of words (as seen on these blogs).
However I think that we can over analyze this. What we are doing is defending ourselves from being murdered. I don't really care WHY someone want s to kill me. I have a right to defend against it and we can play around with the murderer's psychotic state later.
Richard – it is useless you try to read those books as you are too stupid to understand. They should be read by US politicians.
What did he want to call it, a war on 'big army?" Let's not forget it was his decision not to send more troops – which let Osama Bin Laden escape from the Tora Bora mountains. Truly the worst SectDef in US history.
Rumsfield is an example of stupid leader. He should read books to get an true education instead of writing.
I agree with the ideas of senators like Ron Paul or even Buchanan calling for a retire and eventually coming back if AlQaeda too comes back. A truce is abest solution to save lives and money. Even the hard Taliban should be involved in the process.
This is the way intelligent leaders (generally republicans, but not always) like Reagan or Carter would act.
There is nobody but a radical Muslim like yourself that would call for a truce with these Islamic extremists. Even many Muslims and clerics believe that their going to hell!
I saw an interview by Buchanan today and he is calling for immediate retire. Take your pill imbecile.
Did he call for a truce?
Another tedious post by someone who must, in their self importance write in secret, (cloaked), code so we will be impressed (awed) by his (superior) mental powers and cave to his position (whatever it is, though it probably includes murdering us all).
You (clarity)! Your (logic)! Your self (righteous) bigotry! You (wonderful) sense of (justice) and fair play! What (a) guy!
Wow! (You) make such (perfect) sense!
History has proved that these wars deaths and destructions in world is in fact US world trade, the only source of their income and livelihood. In this video Rumsfield accepts that terrorism he and Bush had founded has increased not contained. How shamelessly he says all this and ignore that he and Bush has promised American nation to chase terrorist and kill them in their caves. He and Bush were are responsible for pushing American Army in Afghan quagmire. Believe me only Americans as a nation and true Americans like Ron Paul, John Perkins can avert this catastrophic situation provided they had a chance otherwise Rummy and Bush has faced this lone super power with extreme humiliations ahead.
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