October 7th, 2010
08:24 AM ET

Your view: Talking with the Taliban

Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Thursday launched a council to help negotiate with the Taliban and find a way for peace. Karzai told the group, made up of about 68 Afghan clerics and elders, that it can help establish peace in Afghanistan.

The peace council meeting is one of several addressing the war in recent days. Political figures from Pakistan and Afghanistan were also sitting down this week in Kabul for a dialogue aimed at ending the nine-year-old Afghan war, in what one Afghan official called a "new phase" in building bridges and making peace with the Taliban.

But a Taliban spokesman told CNN that the group was not interested in peace talks. Zabiuhullah Mujahed, the spokesman, said they had no representative in the alleged negotiations in Kabul. Peace negotiations would not happen until the Afghan government met the Taliban's precondition to withdraw foreign forces in the country, the spokesman said.

What do you think? Is negotiating with the Taliban a good idea? Can a peace ever be met with the Taliban? Can lower level Taliban leaders be brought into the political and social fabric of Afghanistan?

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  1. ZX

    Its not a good thing or a happy thing, but the fact is the longer we fight them the more members they get, because every time we accidentally kill a civilian their family has a high chance of joining a group like this. We HAVE to consider diplomacy as an out to this, because the fact is we will NEVER kill all the Taliban. Ever. Period.

    October 13, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Gideon

    American soldiers can't get the job done. It's time for Israeli soldiers to go into Afghanistan and show Americans how to win a fight.

    October 13, 2010 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeinHouston

      @Gideon

      Really? Israelis are so damn successful at winning fights only because they have to perpetually
      practice "fighting"...like in Gaza...If the Israelis truly had an answer to this kind of fighting, then
      Americans wouldn't even be in Afghanistan...Settle up with the Palistinians, Gideon, and maybe
      then we can ALL avoid this kind of a fight

      October 15, 2010 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
  3. GEspinosa

    Of course, let's fall in line with giving them recognition for getting us into this WAR! That makes a lot of sense. Karzia will wake up when we leave and they string him up in front of for ALL for the world to see who they really are. Karzia is seeing that the US will not be there as long as he wanted and is now trying to make deals with these idiots to save his own ass. Why should this come as a surprise!!!

    October 13, 2010 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Fieldhunter

    Sure, let's have some secret talks...maybe in Paris. maybe we can get Henry Kissinger to help out, just before we declare peace with honor, tuck tail and let them have the country to reintroduce their sick idea of ideology...no wait...religion. And we then can let their corrupt politicians settle in Kalifornia.. Good golly, do we ever learn lessons from our past missteps? Vietnam revisited!

    October 13, 2010 at 10:18 am | Report abuse |
  5. Roybama

    Yes....lets talk to the Taliban. But first, send them an engraved invitation attached to the nose of a nuclear missile.

    October 13, 2010 at 9:10 am | Report abuse |
  6. Mark

    No! We should not be entering negotiations with the Taliban just because things are tough and we've been involved for a long time. I understand most Americans simply want to wash their hands of this, but if we leave now that country will slip into chaos providing a safe haven for terrorists, and an environment will be created in that country that started this whole mess in the first place. No, the Taliban were not directly responsible for 9/11, but they sheltered Bin Laden and others like him, and will continue to do so in the future if allowed back in power. All scenarios of U.S. withdrawal involve very gray outcomes. I don't think history will view Afghanistan as a true "success" by our presence, but leaving now will embolden our enemies and empower them to strike elsewhere. This sounds cruel, but I think we should withdraw (eventually), allow the country to slip into civil war, use tomahawk missiles, severe economic embargoes, and the CIA to keep that country weak, powerless, and in a vicious cycle of violence so in the end, they feel they should have treated the "foreign infidels" differently. Screw them over and leave them in squalor! Governing bodies that chop peoples heads off and stone women to death don't deserve negotiations with us.

    October 12, 2010 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Allen N Wollscheidt

    Every member of the Taliban should be presented with a large photo of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after our attack.
    .

    October 12, 2010 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
  8. ral

    The USA should consider a tactical nuclear strike on the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban in western Pakistan. Period. End of the insurgency...end of OBL & Co.

    October 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
  9. geen

    and, as long as ameircan bodies no longer return in rubber bags...more of them during Obama's two years than the moron's 8 years, incidentally....I really could care less what happens to afghanistan or its american supported puppet governments..did we not learn a damn thing from regimes we supported...marcos, shah,batista,Pinochet, Nhu,Ky and Theiu in vietnam,noriega, and yes, although revisionist history has distorted it much..a guy named Saddam, who Reagan and a pro-Saddam at the time Bush family, supported..just when will people learn that U.S. supported tyrants generally turn on us....(and, most of the time, for good reason...)

    October 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeinHouston

      @geen It's good to see that somebody out there remembers. Unfortunately, the answer to your question, "when will people learn..." about supporting tyrants...Never. Never as long as we listen to fools like those you mentioned (Reagan, Bush family). An inconvenient fact is that tyrants always turn on their "friends". The best solution is to recognize the tyrants and never befriend them. Unfortunately we've been dumbed down by the likes of Rush Limbaugh Inc. so that now many of us have no idea where the real bogeymen of the world are: China...

      October 16, 2010 at 4:56 am | Report abuse |
  10. lazer007

    Taliban .....the world is ROUND were do you think you can go were everything is the way YOU want it..well sorry! but not everyone thinks the way you do.evryone see's GOD in there own way..and for them..did not your tex say god loves everyone and would like to see everyone saved?...then way kill when you own life will be taken..and if you hate life then you must hate the maker of it and gave it to you in love....rember everyone is not haveing a super great life to but we push on..and keep trying to make better with it....so if the world ends.then what good would it do???...what good did it do to kill...when there is no one left to care????...all that work for nothing that would mean you gave your life for nothing..cuse there is noe one left to care..think about it OK !!!.......PEACE TO ALL EVEN IF THAY DONT UNDERSTAND.

    October 12, 2010 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
  11. myke cc

    THERE IS NO TALKING TO THEM; U R JUST WAISTING TIME; JUST KILL THEM ALL AND THE PROBLEM IS GONE!!!!

    October 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm | Report abuse |
  12. drPierce

    Is negotiating with the Taliban a good idea?
    >1> Negotiating with the Taliban is like negotiating with smoke. In the first place, they don't want to participate (read the article) in peace talks. They do want a place in Afganistan's government, but as the rulers, not as partners. They say they want "foreigners" out of all Arab countries (same message that Al-Queda-in-Iraq had during the early part of the second Iraq war). That's just more smoke. What they really want is total control, like they had in the 1990's. Where do I get the "smoke" idea from? The Taliban, like Al-Queda, will talk up a storm in order to stall long enough to gain some leverage. While they distract you from one direction with "smoke" (such as, pretended negotiation), they strike you where you least expect it.

    >2> Both NATO and the Karzai government are in weak positions with regard to peace talks. The Taliban would engage such talks just to gain time.

    >3> It isn't a question of what we want or what we think about the situation in Afganistan. It's all about the Taliban, Al-Queda and the Karzai regime (acknowledged to be corrupt).

    Can a peace ever be met with the Taliban?
    >1> Sure. Just withdraw from Afganistan and Pakistan (ignoring the fact that Pakistan is a nuclear power), turn our backs to them, brush off the soles of our shoes, and turn those two countries over to them. We'll have peace for a few months, maybe, even for a couple of years.

    >2> Definitely. Just bomb the Taliban out of existence. Doable? No ...

    >3> No way. Our problem as Americans is our very short memory. History is not our strong suit. If it were, we would remember how the Taliban, under a different name, humiliated the Russians (unfortunately, with some help from us). We should have learned our lessons from Viet Nam and left well enough alone.

    Can lower level Taliban leaders be brought into the political and social fabric of Afghanistan?
    >1> No. The person who is most responsible within the Taliban social/political/religious structure is Mullah Mohammad Omar. To get the Taliban to negotiate peace, gain some leverage on Mullah Omar.

    October 12, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
  13. AnneF

    Both parties should negotiate and put an end to the war. Foreign forces should leave the country to deal with its problems on their own through their own methods of negotiations. Throughout the 9 years all that's been done is more death to the deployed forces. Leave them alone, let them get on with their lives and we can all go home and get on with our lives. Best method is to deploy UN peackeeping forces to oversee any agreement both parties make. Who needs another Vietnam?????? let them negotiate and we can all get out of there and leave them in peace 🙂

    October 12, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kerry

      Nice idea but what has been going on there for the last 9 years is what the taliban call negotiating, that is killing anyone who opposes them and moving on to the next place.

      October 12, 2010 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Braveheart

    I say let the drones do the peace talking in both Afghanistan and in western Pakistan. It seems to be the only negotiations that they understand. Send the drones in by the thousands and then we'll talk peace.

    October 12, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      You really have a point here. The drones are doing a fantastic job here,without civilian casualties,but hitting both the Taliban,and the Al-Quedas planning attacks,all over the world,before they get started.Aside from the skills of the drone operators themselves,we should praise the fantastic intel there, as they never miss,what they're targetted for. Incredible

      October 12, 2010 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
  15. phan

    id say, the best way to beat the taliban is to kill as many as possible, as often as possible for as long as it takes. Until the moderate muslims start standing up for themselves. until these moderate, peaceful muslims take responsibility and take control back in their own countries. but the fact is they dont even want peace.. because they dont fight for it. they just sit around praying all day while there country was taken over by radical muslims and now we are fighting their war for them.. It seems like these moderate muslims are now protecting and helping the taliban.. there's never been peace in the middle east and now they are scared, in fear, dont know who to trust, ect.. muslims have been killing each other for centuries because of religion. the people over there are living in the 5th century yet they now nuclear weapons. It's a joke... these muslims are not evolving.. i say stay there until a muslim actually steps up to the plate and does something about it themselves.. until then kill ever taliban member as possible.

    October 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Phan,you have a very strong conclusion there. As i see it,all those so-called moderate muslims, shouting out,that muslims are not ALL bad, why don't they just stand up and defend their religion,against their radical opponents ? But you're right. They don't stand up, and the radicals,are of course,allowed to paint the general picture,about what muslims are all about,so that's why, the western governments,starts to get up to stop the muslims, invading their countries,by cover of immigration,trying to kill all the "infidels".So of cause,this war,turns out to become a war against the message of the muslim religion,instead of just being a defense against radicals,as the so-called moderates,are scared to stand up.Terrible

      October 12, 2010 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Donna

    This is an impossible situation. We cannot save the world, but abandoning these people breaks my heart. Thy sure deserve better than what they've got, but it is impossible for us to work within this destructive culture. There is no good solution to this. I would not bother to negotiate with the Taliban. Either we support this wholeheartedly or not, no in between.

    October 12, 2010 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Warren

    5.56 rounds covered in pig blood might do the trick. We need to drop the ROE and just go to town on the Taliban. They dont play by the rules so why should we?

    October 12, 2010 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Karin

    Absolutely, even though they are barbarians!! There is a solution out there even it doesn't seem like ... one just has to find it! What's left if people don't talk? Nothing – just fight ... and that is a no-option! After all ... it's the year 2010 and we should behave accordingly!!!

    October 12, 2010 at 12:38 am | Report abuse |
  19. PatrickUSA

    Karzai and the U.S. should definately hold a hand out to the Taliban, after that it is up to them. But we should not cut back on our fighting even a little. I think in the end, the Taliban will have to be beaten to the point that they are no longer a threat, at which time there will be no reason to negotiate with them. Of course, they are thinking the same way about us.

    October 11, 2010 at 11:40 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Mitch

    Old news. Asia Times was on this at least two months ago.

    The Taliban are part and parcel of Afghanistan, just as Hezbollah is inseparable from Lebanon, and Hamas from Palestine. This is reality, one's opinions of these parties notwithstanding.

    October 11, 2010 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
  21. MDVOL

    We CANNOT quit until the LAST TALEBAN terrist is DEAD!!! ANYONE for THROWING IN the TOWEL is a TRAITOR!!! COWARDS!!! Lets WIN this WAR!!! Do NOT let ANY soldiers come home until they've done their DUTY and WON the WAR!!!

    October 11, 2010 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Yugo

    Good – cut a deal and get us the hell out of there.

    October 11, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse |
  23. TOM PEREZ

    I think as the world becomes more integrated is there a place for a 12th century religion. When they were in charge they were very harsh in their tactics and steal treat women as less then an animal. I do not think this type of behavior is appropriate anymore and how it can contribute to religion is beyond me. It comes down to control and that is what the tribal leaders want to do and how better then to do it with the umbrella of religion.

    I will say however it is time for that part of the world to establish their own bounderies. A good example is Iraq. It should be 3 countries. I am not sure how the other countries should divid themselves but that could be an answer. I have always wondered why we do not make certain we have control over a certain area of the country and we know we are supported and start to improve things and expand from there. Instead we are running all over the country putting out fires and the fires never stop.

    October 11, 2010 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      Good comment Tom perez

      October 11, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      You have a point, Tom. As You say yourself, I believe the only way to get true piece in Iraq, is to divide it into 3. A Shiia part,a Sunni part, and a Kurdish part. Then everyone ought to be contented, but for the Afghans,it's much more complicated.

      October 12, 2010 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Monty Gaither

    The taliban is a group of fanatical nuts. The Pakistan government attempt to talk peace with them and almost lost their capital city to them.

    When the news came out that the U.S. were working with the Taliban and Al -Qaeda to kick the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan, I stated that this would bite us in the butt and it did.

    Within a year, two at the most, after all foreign troops have been withdrawn, a taliban-like government will be democratically elected or will be installed by force. In either case women will be horribly treated and the children will all be kept ignorant and taught to hate the West and especially the United States. The same is true for Iraq. It is only a matter of time before a united islamic front will exist between Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The rest of the middle east will be threatened by this new force in the region.

    Afghanistan was better off under Soviet rule and Iraq was better off under Sadam than they will be under the future islamic government.

    October 11, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      That would all depend on Who they get to run the Government!!! We had Bush and now we have Obama!!! It shows the People aren't as stupid as They think They are... Hopefully Their People will get the right People in office... Because Our Government sure hasn't done a good job so far over there!!!

      October 14, 2010 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      That would all depend on Who they get to run the Government!!! We had Bush and now we have Obama!!! It shows the People aren't as stupid as They think They are... Hopefully Their People will get the right People in office... Because Our Government sure hasn't done a good job so far over there!!!

      October 14, 2010 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Jackie

    All I have to say is BRING ALL OF OUR TROOPS HOME. It is long past time. Why are we there in the first place? We need to secure OUR borders. Stop the influx of anyone with out proper invitation into the USA. Save the billions or trillions now and build up America.

    October 11, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Hard to do do. We DO live in a globalized world, so the old anthem of America sticking to it's own, is long gone out of fashion

      October 11, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • MikeinHouston

        you're still an idiot, "Torben"...

        October 15, 2010 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      Jackie... I agree. Torben loves his country and people there But with so much corruption this war has taken too long to finish and precious young troops have fallen . still Taliban there .Al queda there. why ?corruption of the government and leaders. I read one time ...when troops were about to catch Bin the coward.. they were not allowed to do. The sacrifice of Brave US army is getting wasted because of the lack of wisdom of their leaders. I am sad and hurt seeing young Men and women die.They are the future of USA. But sacrificing for others to benefit. (pakistan and Afghanistan.) Let the Afghan army fight from now. If Taliban do not come to peace talk. They must protect their borders.

      October 12, 2010 at 5:53 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        You're right. We were really able to get bin Laden,that time at Bora Bora,but we were not allowed to push through, to finish the job,because of some kind of political interference.It's political madness at it's worst. But not new at all. The same happened in Vietnam. If the politicians had not forced us on their stragegy of stupid "flexible response",we'd have won the war over there in no time,and now they're doing exactly the same,here in Afghanistan. The result is only,that a lot of our soldiers are killed,for no reason,because uncredible politicians,want to govern the war war their way,and that's why those son's of congressmen,serving over here,can be counted on one hand.They just want to squell the lives of anyone else,but that of a child of a damned politician.

        October 12, 2010 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      We will at the time schedule of the President and the General that is the head of the Military!!! Not Idiots like You...

      October 14, 2010 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
  26. morris2196

    You don't try to reason with an armed madman; you shoot him.

    October 11, 2010 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Your Dreamin

    What kind of peace are they talking about. A temporay truce until someone decides they need to kill some people to make a point and instill fear and uncertainty. Lets just keep hunting them until they get civilized enough to keep their hate and stupidity in their own country. All talking will do is prolong the terrorists ability to continue the activities that they were engaged in pre 9/11. If Islam were truley a religion of peace then none of this would have happened to begin with. I'm a firm believer in overdoing it when it comes to these kind of episodes. Leaving your enemy with strength is always the way to keep your enemy coming back. Islam is everyones enemy, Even the people who subscribe to its doctrine. Thats why Islam is under so much opposition worldwide and why Muslims are being murdered by their own faith. Apparently another so called great religious leader forgot to set clear boundaries for what is and isn't acceptable. Either that or they did and were to psyco to actually be in that position of authority in the first place.

    October 11, 2010 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Well you're right in a way. The goal of the extremist muslims, are to conquer the world, as they believe, everyone but them, are infidels. And they're going to kill us off, into submission, for the next many years. But there are also moderate muslims, as they claim, but when radicals come to their place, thei're the first to suit-up the burkha. You see it all the time in Afghanistan, because they're afraid of their lives. so it means, that the extremists actually rule, and as so, it's made a global issue by muslim integration all over the world. We don't know who´s who. And what then ?

      October 11, 2010 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Do You really think We would take all the troops out of There??? We will be keeping troops there just like Iraq!!!

      October 14, 2010 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Katy Hill

    Get our troops out of there and let the Taliban have Afghanistan. They did not bomb the World trade center it was Saudi's and Pakistan is just as guilty of aiding Osama Bin Laden. We've all had to fight for our freedom let the Afghans stand up for themselves if they don't like the Taliban it's not our fight.

    October 11, 2010 at 7:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      The "nest" of Osama and the Al-Queda was there, under Taliban protection. How would you have done it differently, if you don't want a bomb in your head, every other day ?

      October 11, 2010 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Greg

    Thanks for the laugh everybody. You are so very funny. All of you think that you are so smart. Very few former "Nazis" were tried for war crimes after World War II. There were probably tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands still alive after the war. They were re-integrated into German society. The same will happen with both the Taliban and Al Queda. We(America) will begin to withdraw troops in about nine months or so, and then there will be less people killed in terror attacks. They do not like America or "Western Powers" trying to tell them how to live their lives. Unlike Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq, at least America had a reason to invade Afghanistan, after 9/11, since the entire world knows that Bin Laden and his group were hiding out there. However, it is exactly this American policy, of getting involved in the affairs of other governments that led Bin Laden to attack us in the first place. It was nothing more than the “fear of the spreading of communism”; not because anybody from North Korea, North Vietnam, or Iraq did anything to any citizen of America. Nevertheless America is responsible for the killing of many MILLIONS of civilians in those countries; countries who had done absolutely nothing to any person in America. Americans helped to oust leaders of other countries, and actually had many leaders they did not like assassinated. Among many others, they endorsed a “Catholic” president in South Vietnam, in a mostly “Buddhist” country. America was helping to finance IRAQ in their war against Iran. America was financing the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan against Russia, who also did nothing to America, except for having a “Communist” form of government. American leaders always pick one side or the other, trying to control the governments of every other country on the planet. That is why Bin Laden attacked the United States. He and most of the rest of the world is tired of America trying to tell the rest of the world how to live their lives. America has a little over 300 million people, out of a world population of almost 7 billion. In other words, the United States makes up less than 5 percent of the entire world population. I am an American, who is also unemployed right now, and our country could save many billions of dollars every year by not getting involved in every other country’s business. We will never conquer “terrorism” as long as we continue to invade sovereign countries around the world. In general, just by invading their lands and killing many of their innocent civilians, we create more of the “enemy” than we can ever kill, therefore it is impossible to “win”. Live and let live.

    October 11, 2010 at 2:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Katy Hill

      In total agreement. If we mind our own business and stop trying to tell the rest of the world how to live we and they would be much better off.

      October 11, 2010 at 7:49 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      you're right with wasting not billions, as you say, but many trillions of dollars, trying to be policeman of the world. That's so stupid. But the rest of your comments are just babble

      October 11, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • MikeinHouston

        @Greg

        Greg's a babbler alright...and so are you, Schmidt. So this is the unintended consequence of the wonderful
        internet "globalization"...We all get to listen in to semiliterate babblers like "Greg", "dindy", "Mohammed" and
        you...None of you know what the hell you're babbling about...or why you babble. You all need to find something
        else to occupy your limited minds.

        October 16, 2010 at 3:36 am | Report abuse |
  30. sherdil

    Some important points to consider, for the readers here:
    Every country looks out for its own interests first.
    In this case, Pakistani and US interests do not coincide. Pakistan's concerns are India, and so it wishes to have a friendly Afghan government. The Taliban are not moderate, like the vast majority of Pakistanis are, but would be better for Pakistani interests than an Indian-backed Northern Alliance government. That's the rationale.
    Pakistan has now been pulled into a war it had nothing to do with, and it is walking the line between US demands and Pakistani interests. This is why you see the media portrayals like "an unreliable ally" etc. You must look at it through its interests, which differ.
    Pakistanis have always liked Americans and American culture. What they do not like is US policy. That's what the polls reflect.
    The Taliban are Pashtuns, primarily, and they have and will fight any and all invaders and occupiers. This is the sole reason they are fighting the US. They were not the ones responsible for 9-11. Most of them did not even know New York was a city when 9-11 occurred. No serious or knowledgeable person believes they will pose any threat to US soil, whatever one might think of their backwardness. They are interested only in expelling occupying forces.
    As far as misinformation on Islam, I'd like to suggest you look up the recent ABC special with Diane Sawyer/Christiane Amanpour. There is excellent information in the program.
    Please believe also that talks with the Taliban is not only necessary, it is the only way. They control 35 of 37 Afghanistan provinces. Why is that? Every time an ordinary Afghan is killed (which is usually what happens because NATO cannot distinguish ordinary Afghans from Taliban) – the family members seek revenge and therefore join the Taliban. There is no way out other than to talk and negotiate.

    October 11, 2010 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Please explain to me, the constant India-Phobic of Pakistan ? Why ? India, I've never seen in the news, for so many years,have not been the cause of any incident, that should really scare the Pakistanis. Every time India is doing anything, according to the phobia of Pakistan, it must be hostile. India have enough work to do, developing it's own country, as Pakistan do not. And maybe that's what frightens Pakistan, as it's Muslim ideologies, do not give food to the people, while the multi-religious India, progresses all the time. So maybe India-Phobia, is realle India-enmity

      October 11, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Because the Big Corporations have so much invested with India that the Republicans would never let it happen as long as They have anything to say about it!!!

        October 14, 2010 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Dennis

    Trust the Taliban about as much as you would a hissing cobra.The only way to talk to this barbaric bunch is with the edge of a sword against their throat!

    October 11, 2010 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
  32. louie

    Biggest mistake EVER!!!!. How F'n dumb or desperate can you be to believe you can negotiate with terrorist, fanatical extremeist. I can not believe that anyone would be so incredibly foolish!

    This is their culture, their religious beliefs. their way of life!! It is impossible to believe that you can be rational and accept the dehumanization of women and children, the total disregard for human life.

    How can you "negotiate" with "Uncivilized Barbarians" and believe anything that comes out of their mouths.

    What Pakistan is doing is demonstrating and showing the entire Civilized world their Weakness!

    October 10, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Brett Favre's fan (a.k.a. ybs)

    This is where the Taliban & I share something common - let's fakk the other side into submission!

    October 10, 2010 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      What's the other side, you're talking about ?

      October 11, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Terry W. Brookman

    The scary version is where the Talaban gets control of all of Pakistan instead of just the 70% they have now and then has control of the nuke's they have (about 20-30) I do not believe anyone would want that except Iran in which case they might try and take them, India would be involved immediately and from that point on the s*%t would be in the fan BIG TIME.

    October 10, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Cheriooooooooooooooooo ! A big spectacle, hopefully from the sidelines 🙂

      October 11, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • MikeinHouston

        @Torben Schmidt

        Having read all of your little quips here, I have come to the conclusion that you, Schmidt, are an idiot...

        October 15, 2010 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • MikeinHouston

        @Daniel-2 Yeah, I've read all of Takobi's drivel too. And you're right. He seems to have nothing to use for brains.
        Actually there are a number of blabbermouths here who are far goofier than Torben (too many to list)...

        October 18, 2010 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
  35. bailoutsos

    While America is fighting an unwinable war, China has been financing our obsession while buying up rights to natural resources around the world. Is America ready to battle China for natural resources?

    October 10, 2010 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Why should we battle China for natural resources ? Do you really want a reapers mentality in our country also ? All that we've been fighting against ?

      October 11, 2010 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Andrew D

    He and his family will be killed, this is the thinking of the creature serving tali.

    October 10, 2010 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
  37. blutoblutarski

    During the Carter administration, National Security Advisor Zbignew Brzezinksi advocated a policy of supporting Islamic terrorist groups in Afghanistan. The objective was to topple the SECULAR government that Afghanistan had at the time.

    The result of this policy (which Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan embraced) was to plunge the country of Afghanistan into a civil war that has destroyed the country and killed thousands of Afghans, men women and children.

    The Mujahedin that Carter and Reagan supported in the 1970's and 1980's became the Taliban of the 1990's.

    Bush and Obama peddle the lie that the US is interested in peace in Afghanistan. The US is not interested in helping the Afghans today, just like the US had no qualms in plunging Afghanistan into a civil war in the 1970's.

    October 10, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Look positively forward, not backward. Everything is easy to see in retrospect, than evaluate, how your actions will impact the future

      October 11, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Henry Wallace

    Well you don't negotiate with your allies do you?

    October 10, 2010 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
  39. Murtaza seereat

    in my view point this negotioation and joint conference about the peace with Taliban is all absurd and meaningless so it wont be the suitable option for being a peacefull afghanistan ,,right there when the ISAF deployed in afghanistan in purpose of keeping security and peace so i dont think that they would have done perfectly ...there are other suitable option for keeping the security and peace in Afghanistan which jointly Afghanistan authority and ISAF force,, why dont they materialize those alternatives......

    October 10, 2010 at 4:19 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      If The world treats them like they are treating the Palestine it is a waste!!! Because as long as the world doesn't want PEACE there will never be PEACE...

      October 10, 2010 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      We're working hard to train, and put the Afghans up front. They were very proud, when they were alloved in charge of security, all over the country, at the elections, and they did a really good job. We only had to assist once in a while, but they really did the job OK. The problem though ,is their lack of equipment. When you see a sergeant commanding his privates in a firing line, by throwing small stones at their heads, to get their attention, as they didn't even have a radio. They are at control posts for weeks, without food/ammo/salary. And then WE question they're getting corrupt. Oh my

      October 11, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        So We give Them some radios!!! What is the problem with that???

        October 14, 2010 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Allen N Wollscheidt

    BOOTS OUT NOW ! ! !
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    October 9, 2010 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
  41. bill

    Our government must stop bribing Pakistan and stop giving aid for their constant national disasters, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Taliban are all the same, creatures of blood thirst. If we are going to support anyone should be India. That is the only thing that makes Pakistan sweat. Drop them Mr. Obama.

    October 9, 2010 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      India is the problem not the answer!!! How would You like troops at your Boarder all the time??? Why isn't India helping in the fighting instead???

      October 10, 2010 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      The problem only is the Pakistani India-phobia, so a small help to India, might release the atomic bombs in Pakistan. They're lucky now to have them, for else, everyone would have carpet-bombed that country of unrest, stupidity, and hatred to everyone else outside, and also between muslim groupings inside, who also kill each other. Pakistan is really a rotten killing field, disturbing peace for all other countries in the world,and actually should taste not only flooding,but the smell of their atomic bombs themselves, one day, when suddenly, the trigger-finger, like magic, slips in India

      October 11, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
  42. C Harvey

    Why don't we just get the hell out of that crap hole and never go back. It's time we stopped wasting precious lives and money in that part of the world.

    October 9, 2010 at 5:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Because we rather fight them there than fight them in Our Country!!!

      October 10, 2010 at 11:10 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        Your're right. It hurts less thát way

        October 11, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      C Harvey ..you are correct

      October 12, 2010 at 5:31 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      dindy, see what i mean.

      October 13, 2010 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
  43. dwighthuth

    The only communication with the Taliban would be that their soldiers are free to go back to their life before their joined the terrorist network. America want's Osama Bin Laden and his commander's only.

    October 9, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Bin Laden is either dead are living with the Bush's in Texas!!!

      October 10, 2010 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        That's a number one score. I could imagine him, with a drink in his hand, at the poolside of Bush Jr.'s ranch in Texas, and them talking about good times, how they got the war escalated, and both made a mountain of dollars out of it. And now, they're enjoying their otium there, while everyone else, are discussing, Al-Queda, Taleban, suicide bombings etc. Thank you for letting my fantasy run wild 🙂

        October 11, 2010 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Norman Causey

    By all means, welcome them over, shake their hands, slap their backs, have a meal with them, then drinks, then shoot them in the back of their heads.

    October 9, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      That sounds like a Viking solution ( and a very good idea)

      October 9, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      That just might be the only way to make PEACE with them!!! Talking with Them doesn't seem to get us anywhere... Look at Israel with the Palestine!!!

      October 10, 2010 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
  45. Duck

    Talking with the taliban is about as useful as talking to an evangelical - WORTHLESS.

    October 9, 2010 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Sooner are later They will run out of Leaders!!! Why Do You Think They Want To Talk PEACE with US???

      October 9, 2010 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
  46. Andrew

    This is a terrible idea! Even if an agreement was met it would only be a short term solution. If the Taliban are given any power in the Afghan government it's only a matter of time until they take over the country again. The only way for the Afghan government to succeed is to stamp out the corruption and get the people more involved. There needs to be better communication between the people and there government and try to unite them as one. Unfortunately loyalty to your tribe or region trumps loyalty to the nation.

    October 9, 2010 at 7:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      The real problem there, is the tribal set-up. It's very tough to handle for a central government, that actually is supposed to be a jirga of all tribal leaders to function.I've been in Papua also, and the problem is the same there, so they took the consequence, of having elders from all tribes, represented in the government, and although a "mess", it has actually worked out, up to this day,without infighting,and not much cannibalism anymore. It might be some kind of model for Afghan rule, as, because it's a tribal community, it will never function, as a western-style democracy

      October 11, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Unfortunately that's the problem, the western world is trying to westernize Afghanistan and it simply will not work. Of course NATO realizes this, but there are certain things that simply cannot be done the Afghani way or NATO will never get out of there (or Afghanistan will collaspe). It's really a balancing game in thier govornment, the military, the police, the justice system, everything and that's why NATO is having such a hard time, the trickle down effect the Afhanis have used for thousands of years simply cannot help them to progress to a modern society. Until these issues are worked out Afghanistan cannot operate without regressing. I'm not saying everything they do is the wrong way either, just more often than not it's not necessariy efficient and fair and that's the challange- it's just hard to change people who haven't changed in eons. At some point NATO is going to have to force the Afghans to completely stand on thier own.

        October 11, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Great comment for wold peace !!! LITTLE bit mass fine if it is still working to restore peace in Afghanistan too.

        October 11, 2010 at 4:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Torben....great comment. little bit mess ok if it works to restore peace in Afghanistan.

        October 11, 2010 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Usman-Pakistan

    someone in above posts used word "pashtoon" for talibans which is extremely wrong, now after organizing themselves taliban is a joint force of 20 to 40 different ethnic groups which included Pashtoons and Punjabis in majority , then Hazaras, Uzbiks, Tajiks, Arabs and in recent times numbers of Bangali and Indian Muslims joining them has increased drmatically, evensome wetsreners can also been seen amung them.
    Secondly its a fact that day by day they are increasing and winninh hearts and minds of people in neighbouring countries. In Pakistan all the mainstream political figures visit their representetives and make deals with them to get votes.

    If NATO & US is / will be in a dialogue with them they will insist on one point agenda "Leave Afghanistan" and neither in present nor in future they will pose any threat to US, but in this case nightmare for US new friend India will start, as with all force they will rush to kahsmir to launch holly war against india.......

    October 9, 2010 at 5:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      A very interesting comment. What especially struck me, is that the Taliban,even originally,is made up of ethnic Punjabis,which is the majority tribe, ruling Pakistan, so then it's so much more obvious that ISI support them. All these added information,is clearing the picture, of whyPakistan really is behind the conflict now razing. It's terrible, how they always play gods best children,in the news, and are very annoyed,when 3 Pakistani soldiers, are killed, because they shot at at Afghan and NATO forces

      October 9, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      Thanks to Usman -Pakistan for your voice.

      October 11, 2010 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
  48. thoughtdog

    The war in Afghanistan is much more complicated than just fighting the enemy i.e. The Taliban or Al Qaeda. Religion plays only a part, and you cannot defeat an ideology....Corrupt politicians who control things have little to fear because they control the military and police.
    The world stage gives you little insight to how things are really working, the reports in the news only cover a very narrow field of view due to many different factors.
    Suffice it to say, that you have a hard time defeating an enemy that has no idea what democracy is about let alone how to participate in one.
    Our motivation for being involved is not as pure as just fighting for democracy and freedom. someone realized that there are over a trillion dollars of natural resources to be had and that's the reason, that the US got involved in the first place.
    Some get rich off of the war now, and others hope to as soon as the fighting stops.. Everyone knows that the Afghanistan's will take 100 years to develop the technologies to reap the harvest of the land...Who is going to get the contract to extract these resources? That is the ultimate question!

    October 8, 2010 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Moo Ham Mud

      While we are fighting, China is already mining Afghanistan's vast resources. Their operations are not in peril with the Taliban because the Taliban knows where many of their guns and ammunition come from.

      October 9, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      That's the problem of the whole world today. Money are governing everything. It doesn't matter how immoral you have to get, as long as the money-harvest is good. And my God, there are many reapers out there, and they make war, only for reaping dollars. So no morale/democracy/whatever left, only money governs politics, and morale is not existing anymore

      October 11, 2010 at 12:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        It is good to know ..at least few people out there who says the word Moral. In Sri lanka we had the war for so many years. Some were earning from it on innocents death. It was like a curse. when it became so out control ...finally ..some prayed and some went to war. One way or other now we have peace. yet many young people died in the battle.:( Both tamils and Sinhalese.) The problem in this world is we have duplicate kings when the king of kings is above. Duplicate kings are hungry for so many things ,greedy too. So the innocents die.

        October 11, 2010 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
  49. rmb

    helloooo! anybody check out what happened when the russians occupied afganistan? where are they now and why?

    October 8, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      They're back home, because they really tried to OCCUPY Afghanistan. We don't. We only want to do our best to protect ourselves,and the world, including ourselves AND the russians too. That's the big difference. We're not there to conquer

      October 9, 2010 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        And what we're trying to protect ourselves from, is not the Afghans, but Al-Queda, and it's terrorist organisation

        October 9, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
  50. thoughtdog

    It is kind of like, hand feeding a Cobra.....Don't try this at home kids!

    October 8, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Smith in Oregon

    Karzai and UN peace treaty envoy's attempted this some NINE MONTHS ago in nearby Pakistan with a full dozen Taliban commanders. The CIA raided the peace treaty meeting and broke it up, Pakistani ISI agents briefly spoke to the Taliban commanders before releasing them to kill more American soldiers in Afghanistan. Both Karzai and the UN were utterly shocked that America's CIA would interfere and directly bust up a ongoing Karzai and UN brokered peace treaty.

    Many American and NATO soldiers have been killed during the past NINE months directly because America's CIA burst in and purposely stopped that ongoing peace treaty conference and meeting.

    Let me repeat that for fellow star's and bar's family's to read and absorb:

    Many American and NATO soldiers have been killed during the past NINE months directly because America's CIA burst in and purposely stopped that ongoing peace treaty conference and meeting.

    October 8, 2010 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      Well put,Smith. We need more people like you posting in here with common sense instead of all these idiotic warmongers,including the idiot who keeps on usurping my name!

      October 8, 2010 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      That's really bad news. warmongering. But could you tell me, what the CIA, could win in this ? I'm outside the "big" game, but why ? Do the CIA, have a "personal" interest in disturbing such a meeting ?

      October 8, 2010 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Smith in Oregon

        America's CIA has a long cozy relationship with Pakistan's ISI spy agency which was created as a mirror image of America's CIA. As the Pakistani and Indian newspapers reported by those at the meeting and from Pakistani ISI officials afterwards, the CIA got a PR moment where for weeks they lied to the press touting a dozen Taliban Commanders were 'captured'. Later the Pakistani officials revealed no one was captured, the Pakistani ISI learned the peace treaty was in their view was unfairly tilted in favoring India's interest in Afghanistan and sought to stop the peace treaty meeting before an accord could be made.

        The Taliban commanders briefly held by the Pakistani ISI agents were instructed not to favor India in present and future negotiations and were freed to return to Afghanistan where they continued killing American and NATO soldiers.

        The Karzai Clan has a long relationship with exporting Heroin out of Afghanistan. The CIA handpicked Hamid Karzai whose brother is widely alleged to be 'THE' major exporter of Heroin and Hamid's brother was appointed to a high position with the Hamid Karzai Afghanistan government on America's payroll.

        Shortly after the CIA placed Hamid Karzai into ruling Afghanistan, all 37 provinces across Afghanistan were heavily planted with Opium poppys which the Taliban had previously nearly completely eradicated pushing Afghanistan into producing 99% of the entire world's Heroin which the Chinese Triad's move all over the world for tremendous profits.

        October 9, 2010 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ Smith in Oregon
        There is a great deal of truth in what you posted but not all of it. Karzhi was (is?) Taliban however the Taliban as much as we hate them are not actually all bad, there just happens to be a GREAT DEAL OF THEM THAT ARE RADICAL LUNATICS, but not all and they didn't start out radical, Xenophobic- yes but not really radical, (that came later). Kharzi was supported by the US becuase he worked with the US SF in the beginning and is a decent, honest person. Unfortunately he is also very niave and has surrounded himself by criminals. Being Niave is just not good if you want to be a politician of course.
        Kharzi's brother is the biggest drug dealer in the world (or at least damn close) and yes, unfortunately a big part of the middle eastern culture revolves around taking care of family, the entire middle east after all is a Tribal Society. In a nutshell this is how it works, when you toss a rock into a pond the water ripples, the center of that ripple is you, then your immediate family, aunts, uncles cousins, etc, then friends and neighbors then people further away from you form the outer ripples. You care the most about the closest ripples get it? Then you add in thier honor system and the ripples become much more complicated. Tribes are almost like gangs and you stay in your turf so to speak. Therefore it is aconstant struggle to manuever your firends, relatives and People you "Owe" based upon honor and bussiness (political or otherwise) dealings. That's why things are all jacked up over there. The US is not supporting the Opium trade but they are somewhat turning a blind eye to some of it simply becuase they can't figure out how to make them farm figs and almonds for money over the quick and profitable poppy crops so it's acomplicated situation where the US simply can't burn all the fields unless US taxpayers want to start paying for food for these people becuase believe me, (US Taxpayers) they are paying for everything else over here already. It's a catch 22 and it really sucks.

        October 10, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        Smith in Oregon. Thanks for your real good answer, and Prophet Mohammed, I start to like you more and more,although, I must say, I don't like your "name". This was a very wise comment, to what Smith in Oregon had to say. It's this kind of debate, I'd like to see here, when wisdom and sincerity are put into the comments. Thanks both of you. I got very enlightened

        October 11, 2010 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      WOW, Smith in Oregon. You're really painting out some realities out here, that must be true,as they're not tainted with the usual stupidity found here. If things are really like this, we're dying in vain down here, because someone above us, are playing a game of chess,so to speek, and our lives depend on that. Really bad news for us my friend

      October 9, 2010 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        Hi Daniel-2 still making stupid comments using other peoples ID i see.

        October 9, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        Sorry my mistake, i am having to read every ones comments twice and still i got it wrong.

        October 11, 2010 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      smith in Oregon.....it is a sad story .Imagine if the parents of fallen heroes know this? I too had a very strange experience since I started writing comments. A huge light entered to my room and it was 3am. I got up and rushed to the balcony to see what it is. I was so proud as I thought it was a UFO. I was happy like a child. Then at the same time CNN had asked whether any people has seen UFO 's. . There were many comments and some had seen what I saw also. Yet one had said they are not UFO . But spy planes:( when I rushed to see what it was.....it just vanished into the cloud really fast.It had nearly 50 bright lights underneath and was like a big dish. I wonder .. any group is checking us when we comment because this strange incident took place after I started writing to these comments pages. well when heard
      something like above..now nothing is sure in this world: ;( May lord comfort these families of fallen Heroes !! I really dont know where it came . yet I got so frightened . I so it very clearly. It is important to check whole world after what happened on 9/11 . But It is very depressing to hear if CIA has done something terrible like that. Oh!! my God!!

      October 11, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Jim`

    I remember a few years ago when we watched 40-50 or so taliban at a funeral , with a drone overhead and we let them bury their dead and go home. That's when I realized that we were too civilized to win a war with people who will cut our heads off. We should have fropped a couple of large bombs then and we should bring them to the table after carpet bombing the 250 safe havens in Pakistan or wherever. We are dealing with zealots with no redeemable value.

    October 8, 2010 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      I understand your frustration. An that should really be the frustration of all people. Can anyone fight a "gentle" war. No war without casualties ? And if you're the leader of a war, you'll try to win that, knowing also, that on both sides, a lot of civilians wil suffer, but that's the cause of war. When war, everybody suffers, so let no "civilian" casualties, hamper you, 'cause that's war, but WIN !!!!!

      October 8, 2010 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
  53. david

    This is crazy. Talking to the Taliban or Al-Queda will not do anything. Finish the job we started. We should of completed this back in beginning during Desert Storm, but politic got in the way.

    October 8, 2010 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • hpman27@hotmail.com

      david, your right. Im all for religious freedom, but how many Christians, Jewish, or even Buddist people do you know of that have killed "infidels" of their religion, within the last 100 years. The World is civializied when it comes to that stuff (with the execption of the IRA, and african tribes, and pacific island religions) and the Middle East just needs to relize that every one has their own beliefs. Time to wake up Bin Laden!!! I mean honestly they need to just live with the fact that there ARE other religions! And if they can't live with it.... fine, we should just pull out all of our troops in the Middle East and increase the USA border and coast protection one-hundred fold! We need to just mind our own business. I am a Patriot but seriously the government needs to listen to the people, and not just the rich ones, or the Oil companys or their wallets!! Im talking the middle class and lower class!! The average American!

      October 8, 2010 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • thoughtdog

        In respect to the Taliban...They have no interest in peace, religion, equality or any other human condition. Their motivation is centered around the drug business. These guys are the ones that run all of the Heroin business in Afghanistan. Poppies are their only agriculture interest. Why grow food, or any other cash crop when you already grow the biggest cash crop of all? Their terror campaigns are more related to keeping fear instilled for the sake of silence. Not religion

        October 8, 2010 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        The Christians kill Their own all the time in the US!!! Why do You think Our Prisons are so full with them???

        October 9, 2010 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        LarryKegel(US Army)
        You're quite right. So these Christians are only christians by name, not by deed. Jesus says it himself, very clear, in (Luke 6:46) “Why, then, do YOU call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?. Very clear, isn't it. Nowadays Christians speak about Jesus, but they just don't follow his commands. Try JW instead. That's another story, than the evangelican

        October 9, 2010 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ Torben Schmidt:
        Unfortuanely these days too many people think just becuase they go to church that automatically makes them a good person and we see it everywhere in all religeons.
        Curious though, maybe I missed it somewhere in the post or perhaps that post was a carry on of a previous conversation?
        Question: "Try JW instead." ? Please enlighten (short version please). Thanks.

        October 10, 2010 at 10:05 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        JW , is Jehovas Witnesses. Have you ever tried listening to them, when thy knock on your door. They are the only Christians, who don't go to war, as the Bible tells you not to kill, so they just do as told.Nowhere in the world they're fighting. Like in Bosnia, the JW's there, of all ethnic origins, assembled peacefully in their Kingdom Halls, while all others were fighting each other, outside. If all were like them, we'd have no war. So that MUST be a good religion

        October 11, 2010 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ Torben Schmidt- Thanks for the info.
        JW, Okay, I admit it, I am an idiot; can't believe I didn't realize you were referring to Jehovah Witnesses. They are irritating at 7am on a Saturday morning to be sure. Got to give the credit though, the Bible des say all believers will preach the Gospel and spread the word. They just do it door to door. and yes they are consistent with the belief in peace (at least as a community), there are JW in the US Military but not many. Growing up I had some friends who were serious JW (I am not JW) and they seemed like they had the perfect family, thier mother was the parent I wanted to be like in values and fairness for my own children. So aside from the early morning visists, I really can't knock them, and I'm not here to start a religeous dedate on the ups and downs of JW's, but almost all others are fair game from me (except Buddists, the reals ones, in Korea they wear Rolexes and drive BMWs, I don't consider them real).

        October 11, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        To the Prophet Muhammed. So you got my point. This is at least a religion that don't run around bombing and killing people,which is the main ingredient in what we're fighting against,all these fanatics.If the'd just have been JW's all, of them instead,we'd have no war and killing.Pretty nice. BTW,you're right,the JW's live healthy family lives.Good to our country

        October 12, 2010 at 5:20 pm | Report abuse |
  54. We are all slaves

    The reason the USA is in the middle east is because we are being used to complete the agenda of all these large corporations who fund the politicians in our government which in turn gives all the corporations the power. Our goal in the middle east is to keep our troops there as long as possible because war makes money for these large corporations (military defense companies, national security agencies, central banks, oil companies which INCLUDES SAUDI/IRAQI/IRANIAN OIL SHEIKS, etc.). For those Americans who actually think their troops are there for bring "Freedom" & democracy & all that other bull****, open your eyes a little, stop listening to the media. And to all those Middle Eastern people who think all Americans & westerners are evil, don't be so quick to judge. A lot of Americans don't want to be in this war as much as you don't want them there. The government (big corporations) control the media as well. They simply use propaganda to turn both sides against each other by spreading hate & fear using lies about each other. If you would like to open your eyes a little bit, go to "www.zeitgeistthemovie.com", and you will see why we are all slaves.

    October 8, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      If the Republicans and the Tea Party has Their way You will be right!!!

      October 9, 2010 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        You're quite right again. I appreciate your remarks, for being to the "bone" of the issue

        October 9, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
  55. PJ

    The Taliban are going to take back the country anyway. So, pay them to keep Al Quaeda out. Cheaper than war. We can't change a country that doesn't want to move into the 9th century.

    October 8, 2010 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      I got your point, and it might work, but isn't it a bit risky, with these pot-heads ? Hard to trust

      October 11, 2010 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
  56. Walter Sieruk

    Talking with the Ttaliban is a bad idea. It will only have evil results. There is an old saying "No dialogue with the devil."

    October 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      well written

      October 8, 2010 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joseph McCarthy

      Walter,that was one of most idiotic comments I've seen yet! Have you no sense or are you just another Tea Partier???

      October 13, 2010 at 9:50 am | Report abuse |
  57. Jack

    Pakistan will NEVER allow a democratic Govt in Afghanistan that is not pro Pak. Once peace prevails in Afghanistan, US will stop throwing crumbs at Pakistan. Pakistan is well aware of it and would love to keep the pot boiling by funding the Taliban to continually bleed the US. There is only one solution. Get out of Afghanistan, stop funding Pakistan and watch the show.

    October 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • vishnu rao

      pakistan is the problem. very true.

      getting out now..so sorry....US is world leader. it has to has to finish what it started. The US cannot lose to a bunch of crackpots.

      this is the theme of the US.

      1. help Iraq against Iran and then iraq backfires / so does iran.
      2. help afgans against USSR and then taliban fires back.

      October 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      October 8, 2010 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
  58. vishnu rao

    they are hardliners. negotiate and see what happens. people come first.

    if they want an Islamic state. may be some sort of Vatican city type arrangement can be practical though people will not like the idea as such a state is not a same as the vatican.

    October 8, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • vishnu rao

      also,

      such a 2 state solution is not wished for as it divides the people future. but what else can be done.
      either one lives with the problem or one solves the problem.

      October 8, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Bob Bichen

    This is not dissimilar to what we did in Iraq. When the insurgents (often former leaders) saw that they were about to be left out of the future, they finally agreed to take part in a more legitimate process. The Taliban may be thugs, but they have plenty of company in the ruthless environment that is Afghanistan. We have softened them up with military success. Now that the Pakistani government is proving to be a fair weather friend (witness our convoys going up like sitting ducks) if we have a chance to make some peace and get out of dodge, we are well served to consider it. We cannot stay in this country long term as policeman. Sooner or later a power sharing arrangement amongst all of these nasty elements needs to be negotiated so we can get the hell out of this place. My opinion, yours may differ.

    October 8, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      I understand your point from Iraq, and it ought to help in Afghanistan also, but the Taleban,with full backing of Pakistan,is a completely different breed, than the actors in the Iraq theater. These are stubborn,and only want complete power,or die for it, to get to their so-called virgins. But that's a direct lie,because so many of them are dead already, that no more of the virgins,are virgins anymore. They've run out of personnel, in the Muslim Paradise

      October 11, 2010 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
  60. Jeff

    Negotiating with these Taliban murderers and thugs is absurd. I understand President Karzai's desire to reach a peacefull solution, but these thugs clearly have no desire or wish to have peace. They are so wrapped up in their perversion of Islam, they want no other solution. The Taliban is an evil group, with an evil ideology. The only solution is to declare them outlaws and terrorists, and crush them wherever they are.

    October 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • vishnu rao

      violence will not solve anything,though its the only practical solution at hand. i am not suggesting a non violent approach either totally. the middle path is advised. the people of that country need peace.

      one might think what went wrong after seeing Rambo-part3 [thats for the west & russia to answer.]

      its the idea in the persons head which needs to be removed.
      today some leader of taliban is killed, what next the guys son will continue and so will the future generations.
      so where does it end ?

      the same applies to North Korea. Ideology is the key. u change that . u win. it will take time but we have to do it for the future of mankind.

      October 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        The good thing with the drone attacks, is, that not only, expendable Taliban leaders, are killed, but, more important, Al-Queda terrorists, just before they're accomplishing their plans, on either europe or US. Isn't that great ? Killing them in Pakistan, before they´re allowed to kill thousands of innocent civilians in the West ?

        October 8, 2010 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
  61. The_Mick

    Talking peace with the Taliban would only work if the Saudi benefactors could be stopped from paying them. In Pakistan, the Taliban pays its fighters twice what Pakistani policemen get. Why can't we trace that much money? Too close to big shots in the Islamic world?

    October 8, 2010 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      You're right,and it's really a terrible situation, but the money are not that hard to follow, although it still remains a very public secret. The money comes from our enormous funding of Pakistan,where government-officials first get their share (nothing goes to the "people"). The rest goes to the military, where the top-bosses takes a cut. Then the rest goes to ISI, who're the funders of Taliban and Al-Queda. Not the Saudis anymore. All support comes from ISI alone. So we're fighting against our own money. Same happened in the flooding. The billions of aid-money, went through the same channel as described above. So again, we're saving the bandits from the flooding, and giving them more arms, while the rest of Pakistan don't understand, where the given help is,as they get nothing from the government

      October 9, 2010 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
  62. berucem

    Was it the talban that attacked the U.S on 9/11 or Al Qaeda?

    October 8, 2010 at 8:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Al-Queda. But they are/were associates. So no difference, who exactly

      October 8, 2010 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Forthelovea

    Negotiating with the Taliban would be like negotiating with a hive of angry bees. Why even OFFER them the chance to "come around" Karzai needs to have his ass kiched by some South Florida rednecks. Who gives a crap about Afganistan any god dang way. We are there because we got our asses in so deep that if we left now, Obama would look like a fool. Same with Iraq. The combat forces have left (whatever). If Al Qaeda in Iraq launched an offensive, we couldn't respond due to there being "no more combat troops left in Uraq" hence Obama looking like a fool once again.
    We got our asses into this middle eastern bull_ _ _ _ and we can't find a way out...PERIOD!

    October 8, 2010 at 7:21 am | Report abuse |
  64. dindy Sri lanka

    LARRY.G............ USA ATTACKED AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN BORDERS TO DESTROY THE HIDE OUT OF ALQEDA . THEY ARE STILL THERE.BECAUSE NOT EVEN THE PAKISTAN CAN CONTROL THESE ALQUEDA. IT IS OK TO HELP AFGHANISTAN AND LET THEM HAVE MORE FREEDOM LIKE REST OF THE HUMAN BEINGS. ACCORDING TO WHAT WE SEE ON CNN ALQUEDA STILL ATTACK THEIR OWN TOO. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION FOR THAT? FROM WHERE CAN US DO OPERATIONS AGAINST THE BORDERS OF PAKISTAN WHERE TERRORISTS LIVE IF US LEAVE AFGHANISTAN.
    I KNOW IT IS VERY PAINFUL TO SEE MILITARY PERSONS DIE AT YOUNG AGE ON THE OTHER HAND. ALSO NINE YEARS HAVE BEEN PASSED 🙁 WITHOUT A PROPER SOLUTION. IT IS OK TO LEAVE IF US CAN REASSURE ABOUT THE SECURITY IN HOME LAND AND HELP AFGHANISTAN FROM THERE. YET..WE HAVE A QUESTION REMAINING. WHERE IS THIS BIG COWERED WHO HIDES UNDER GROUND ?THAT SOME ONE WHO WAS GOING ON A DONKEY AND KILLED OTHERS FOR SPORT.WHY ALL THE MUSLIMS WONT ACCEPT THAT TRUTH.?

    October 8, 2010 at 3:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Is this you speaking, or another ? Because I get confused at your postings

      October 8, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Of course it's him, he apparently has multiple personalities, I can't follow him either.

        October 9, 2010 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      QUIT YOUR YELLING PLEASE!!! IT DOESN"T MAKE IT SO...

      October 9, 2010 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
  65. Banana277

    Germany is German, let the Germans rule. France is French, let the French rule. Russia is Russian, let the Russians rule. China is Chinese, let the Chinese rule. Afghanistan is Afghan, let them continue to fight amongst themselves for rule, as they have done for centuries, and quit wasting money into their country when it is cheaper to allow the good people the chance to move out into a civilized world where they can be productive..

    October 8, 2010 at 3:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      Good posting,Banana277. Thank you.

      October 8, 2010 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Bananna 227, don't listen to Dan in Lafayette,IN, it's only a matter of time before he starts complaining your name is offensive to Banna trees and the monkeys who love them. He might even claim a copyright infringement on Bananna republic.

        October 9, 2010 at 3:56 am | Report abuse |
    • southernjent

      I don't thik I could have said it in better. Right to the point and logical. We don't need to "Beat around the bush"

      October 16, 2010 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
  66. dindy Sri lanka

    LARRY USA ATTACKED AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN BORERS ANYWAY TO DESTROY THE HIDE OUT OF ALQEDA

    October 8, 2010 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Are you YOU talking, or are you another ? If you're you, you're crazy, as I heard Your good moderate views before, and answered to them.

      October 8, 2010 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Which Larry are You talking too??? There are to many of us here!!!

      October 9, 2010 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
  67. dindy Sri lanka

    LARRY GOLDSTEIN MAY BE CORRECT.

    October 8, 2010 at 1:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      OK. Then use your name,when it's YOU speaking, so I'll understand, who I'm talking to, and not all those imitators

      October 8, 2010 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        What do You think This is!!! I changed it from the other Because of Him!!!

        October 11, 2010 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
  68. dindy Sri lanka

    LARRY VALECIA ..DO NOT GET UPSET WITH ME FOR WHAT I DID NOT WRITE 🙂

    October 8, 2010 at 1:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Who are you, and what name is answering for you ? Change name, to get your real message through. Even better, use your real name, as I do

      October 8, 2010 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      That is not Larry From Valencia!!! Because I don't use it any more because of that Idiot!!!

      October 9, 2010 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Larry kegal (us army) Thank you for introducing your new name.

        October 12, 2010 at 5:24 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Dindy don't be fooled, read the content of the message after you read who posted it and judge for yourself who is trying to trick you.

        October 13, 2010 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Larry Goldstein

    I was in Afghanistan in the 70s, when it was under a democratic rule of Dawud Khan(and the women very successful and independent but with our blessing Mr. Bhutto was training terrorits to reverse the trend of modernization in Afghanistan)
    At lesson from the past 30 years is, Pakistan does not want peace in AFGHANISTAN, it wants Afghanistan to be a playground so Army/ISI can make money from war on Afghan Plus it get chances to destroy Afghanistan infrastructure...Remember not one Afghan has every attacked the west nor was any Afghan involved in 9-11. Pakistanis and Arabs were but we Attacked Afghanistan...We must Guarantee non-interference in Afghanistan and pressure Pakistan to respect the sovereignty of Afghanistan, and a commitment to peace is needed from all region players...Plus we must guarantee the Afghans we will not stay in Afghanistan(in those 75+ plus bases we setup) for the sake of Afghans who have suffered and sacrificed 3 million lives for a sovereign Afghanistan...after peace and security arrives in Afghanistan we can rebuild the trust by sincerely building Afghanistan...Afghan and American friendship should start from this commitment to peace, the people of Afghanistan are not backstabber like Pakistan- When you become a friend of Afghans- they will risk their lives for you, to protect you from threats.

    October 8, 2010 at 1:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Thanks for the personal insight you give. I feel the same. It's Pakistan, that's the real problem, but if we're not in Afghanistan, the Al-Queda/ISI, will be there, not openly working in Pakistan. So, after what you experienced, there's only a two-pronge effort possible, and that's to stay in Afghanistan, and further the combat in Pakistan, while they have no power to go back to Afghanistan

      October 8, 2010 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Goldstein

        Mr. Schmidt,

        Pakistan has always been the issue, but I do not think we need military bases to confront the threat in Pakistan...We can use India and People within Pakistan, remember within Pakistan there are movements against the state/military establishment, we may hear of Balochistan only...but other minorities are sick of the majority Punjabi rule of Pakistan. They are willing to provide us necessary information to take our the terrorists sponsored by the Army and ISI...We know very well the enemies of American and Afghans do not have food, weapons and logistics falling from the sky. Mr. Schmidt, I suggest you take a trip to Afghanistan when peace arrives, you will be amazed by its people..the hope, honor, and the way they live with nothing will give you an understanding why these people are warriors who defend only their land...(unfortunatley, a few have been manipulated by ideologies from communisn to wahhabism effectively become proxies of those who want to destroy Afghanistan.)

        October 9, 2010 at 12:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Thank you for your new report. It's nice to hear somebody here, giving serious remarks. I don't know about the insight, into secret info's about the situation in Pakistan, but if so, that´s good news. Whatever is the best way, the Pakistani issue, must be takled soon, as we're dying down here, because we have no authority to hit back over the boarder.This is becoming more of a game, like in the westerns,where the bad guys always escaped, by crossing the Rio Grande. It's exactly the same here. No, I've not been in Afghanistan, in peacetime,and noone can remember,when there were peace here. But I am, in Afghanistan, and if it has not been for the war, the people are hospitable, and very happy for the slightest help, we can give. But as they get murdered every day, not by outsiders, but by Taleban, of course, they're also a people, living in fear for the next bombing, or beheading,by the Taleban

      October 9, 2010 at 9:01 am | Report abuse |
  70. publius enigma

    Talking to your enemy doesnt always help, but not talking never does.

    October 8, 2010 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      Although I do like your point of wisdom, it's simply not going to work AT THIS TIME with the Taliban, maybe later, but not yet.

      October 9, 2010 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
  71. opinionguru

    ...saw enough of them as they ran away from us in "The Mother of All Battles". Talk to them with more ordinance and bio-weapons. Remove them from the planet.

    October 8, 2010 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Were you really there, or are you just another of the "talkers", who are so common here ?

      October 8, 2010 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
  72. dindy Sri lanka

    NO NEED TO WEAR SUICIDE BOMBING UNIFORMS . NO NEED TO PLAN MORE CRIMINAL ACTS. JESUS PAID A VERY HIGH PRICE FOR ALL OF US AT ONCE. PLEASE ..REPENT....LAY DOWN ARMS. LET PEOPLE BREATH FRESH AIR WHICH IS GIVEN FREE BY GOD. YOU PEOPLE DONT HAVE TO BE JUDGES WITH SUICIDE UNIFORMS BECAUSE THE REAL JUDGE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS UNIVERSE SEEING EVERY BODY"S ACT. LET THE SUPREME JUDGE WHO IS ABOVE ALL OF US TO MAKE HIS DECISIONS. PLEASE LAY DOWN ARMS AND STOP ATTACK INNOCENT PEOPLE NO MATTER WHERE THEY COME FROM.

    October 8, 2010 at 12:12 am | Report abuse |
    • opinionguru

      we can hope

      October 8, 2010 at 12:16 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      First, you're Anti-American, then a Taliban Supporter, then a hippie, now a Jesus Freak- Make up your damn mind Paki.

      October 8, 2010 at 5:04 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Quit calling me a Paki,Phunnie boy! How would you like if I called you an ignoramous? I'm none of those things you called me and by the way,stop usurping the Prophet Mohammed's name for crying out loud!!!

        October 8, 2010 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        Yes. Nobody are wearing their true names, including you. I am. That´s my true name, and I stick to it

        October 8, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Doofus Sri Lanka (or Dan in Lafayette- whichever you prefer). Mohammad IS MY NAME, and I'm speaking a hell of a lot more truth here than you are so the Prophet seems appropraite enough. You should really get that split personality checked out.

        October 9, 2010 at 8:18 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        What more can You expect from a Idiot???

        October 9, 2010 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Larry I did not post at 7.37pm October 2010 . This is the exact way of devil. Stealing, making every one angry with each other, also lying.. and pretending that he knows everything and pretending so holy but he is not. (this is a spiritual war fare after all. )

        October 11, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      THAT IS YOUR BELIEF NOT MINE ARE MUSLIN< HINDU ARE BUDDHA!!!

      October 9, 2010 at 10:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Are you rally from Sri Lanka ? Christians are not so abundant there, neither on the Tiger-side, or the government-side

      October 11, 2010 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Pretty Strange, doesn't make sense, somebody playing name games or trying to set it up? There's a phrase in there I use.

        October 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
  73. George

    NO. The Taliban can never mix with civilized people. They should be given their own piece of the country where they can live in the dark ages for eternity. Leave them alone. Increase intelligence on them and if they set up training camps to export terror, then send in the Tomahawk cruise missiles.

    October 7, 2010 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Not a bad idea. Maybe that could solve problems,to let the taliban have their own playground, and then we'll also exactly know where they are. Not a bad idea at all, but wonder if the Taleban would agree

      October 11, 2010 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
  74. dad

    Fuuuuuuuuuck!

    October 7, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Please Don't Swear!!!

      October 9, 2010 at 10:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Joseph McCarthy

      Hey dad or whoever you are,will you kindly cut the Tea Party lingo??? Leave that for the right-wing,anti-intellectual,ignorant Tea Partiers!!!

      October 13, 2010 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
  75. Wais

    you guys are all so fuxking stupid. this is deep. its complicated. the taliban will not talk because it means for them to give up. they will fight until they all die or all of NATO troops die. they are like the samurai. they follow a strict form of pre islamic laws. islam is the religion but not the ideology. the media does a good job at saying islam is what they base their beliefs on.
    BS! this will only get worse before it gets better. And you guys stop acting like you know about islam or taliban because you dont. this is a issue that afghans have to deal with.

    October 7, 2010 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      WAIS THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO MAKE US UNDERSTAND. BUT I CANT SEE THAT THE AFGHAN CAN HANDLE IT BY THEM SELVES. ON THE OTHER HAND IT HAS TAKEN LONG TIME NOW AND TALIBAN HAS NOT GIVEN UP. THEY HAVE REPEATED THEIR OLD WAYS . THEY LIKE TO BE THE PRISONERS IN THE PROMISED LAND . NO BLESSINGS.BUT LACK OF EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF OPIUM AND GUNS. MAY LORD SPEAK TO THEM PERSONALLY BECAUSE WE CANT TALK UNLESS THEY LAY DOWN ARMS.

      October 8, 2010 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        QUIT YOUR YELLING!!!

        October 9, 2010 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
  76. ikram

    beg pakistan, kiss the feet of pakistan

    “We extend our deepest apology to Pakistan and the families of the Frontier Scouts who were killed and injured,” the ambassador said in the statement.

    “Pakistan’s brave security forces are our allies in a war that threatens both Pakistan and the US.” Pakistan has condemned air strikes on its territory as a violation of sovereignty.

    It said it suspended Nato supply trucks crossing into Afghanistan via the Khyber region because of “security reasons”.

    October 7, 2010 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rajput

      How much does Pakistan want now...I hear we are giving you Pakis 7+ billion per year...Pakis are extortionists...

      October 8, 2010 at 1:08 am | Report abuse |
  77. ikram

    “We extend our deepest apology to Pakistan and the families of the Frontier Scouts who were killed and injured,” the ambassador said in the statement.

    “Pakistan’s brave security forces are our allies in a war that threatens both Pakistan and the US.” Pakistan has condemned air strikes on its territory as a violation of sovereignty.

    It said it suspended Nato supply trucks crossing into Afghanistan via the Khyber region because of “security reasons”.

    October 7, 2010 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      What is your comment ? Are you just referring or are you commenting ? I really understand the killings at the border, as they were shooting, from Pakistan, into Afghanistan, and that was only what the helicopters went at. Those shooting at them, and if that included 3 Pakistanis, what so ? The excuse was made as this, from Pakistani side, that the 3 Pakistanis, probably was firing warning shots, before they got killed. What a craze. Can you explain that ?

      October 8, 2010 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Virani

    Nine years , I think it's never end war, I think because I am pakistani immigrante and I am more american. I think pakistani leader and afghan leader they are big lier, and they wants just american dollar for ther swiss account, and they want war not just nine years they want america keep fighting for another 9years. Now america should fight not attack but defence. we should sorround by pakistan and afghanistan and war should be defensive. this people are illitrate and they don't know what they fighting for , because of illetrate.

    October 7, 2010 at 6:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      If i understand you right, even though, you're a Pakistani/American, you also think, that the heart of the conflict, is in Pakistan. Then I agree with you

      October 8, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
  79. biggeorge22

    If it gets us out of there let them talk until they turn Blue! I would never let my child serve in this military because of this government. I support my troops 110%, but not my government. That's a Father's Boy, Daughter, Son, Cousin. This war started by Republican's (Of Course) is wrong just like Iraq.

    October 7, 2010 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      May be. Who knows ?

      October 8, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
  80. MDJ

    Alfred:
    I don't disagree with anything you've suggested. The current military strategy is a bright and shining lie. Incorporating the Afghan people into our military efforts is a laudible goal but the mere presence of our soldiers sends a different message and the resentment of the Afghan people towards the non-combatants killed in this conflict, however unfairly, is blamed on our soldiers. If we don't reduce or presence soon, it will be our legacy with all the Afghan people.

    October 7, 2010 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Why is it, that the every day killings, of innocent civilians, by the Taliban, is not counting in your statistics. When we're killing innocents, it's not by purpose, but by accident, while the Taleban , are killing everybody, and by most civilians. Very few military personnel. Because they, beside bombs, have no courage to fight, as they loose all the battles, fought with firearms. Trust me, I know. So stop that squabbling.

      October 8, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Alfred

    As the Russians and British have learned before us, winning a war in that country is impossible. We have been at war for nearly ten years straight and we suffer from the stupidity of the previous administrations policies that wasted so much blood and treasure in a useless war in Iraq. The current administration should not have caved to the military's hubris. The war in Afghanistan should never have been escalated as surely by now we have learned from Iraq that when you increase your presence you simply increase the opportunity for the enemy to wreak havoc. That is what we are seeing now, Iraq all over again. We need to get our regular troops out of there now. Replace them with a ton of drones, and a small bunch of Navy Seals or Green berets to hunt down the Al Quaida heavies in Warizistan in covert operations and as many Taliban chiefs as possible to force the Taliban to the negotiating table. Figure out a truce then let the Afghans take over. We would probably need to keep our covert guys in there for the next five years but that is much better that the cost of supporting 100,000 troops. Let's bring our guys home and spend our money on nation building here instead of wasting it in Afghanistan

    October 7, 2010 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      We´re not trying to win a war, OVER the Afghans. We're trying, for our own sake, but also for the ordinary Afghan person, to free them for the terrorists, ruining their daily lives, not f.ex. allowing girls to be educated. The ordinary Afghan, don't like to live like this, and at the same time, it's best for us, as they don't want to harbor Al-Queda also. So instead of trying to conquer the Afghan people, we're trying to give them, the better life life, they want and deserve. In peace, finally, after all these years of wars. At the same time, it helps us, that the Al-Queda, are no more in Afghanistan, but in Pakistan instead. So, that's the next target, to get rid of safe-havens, for international terrorists.

      October 8, 2010 at 8:47 pm | Report abuse |
  82. gregretired

    Larry valecia:

    You are wrong. We WERE there prior to 9-11. Read up on our 1980's involvement in Afghanistan in "Charlie Wilson's War"
    Even Dan Rather was filmed showing our helping the Mujahadeen defeat the Soviets. We then abonded them so they don't trust us now. Who could blame them.

    October 7, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      You're right. Policies are changing left or right. Same in Iraq, where we formerly supported them, against Iran, and afterwards invaded them. I understand you. It's all crazy. But right now, don't let's look at the messy past, but at the messy future, as Pakistan, is making a safe haven, for the Al-Queda terrorists, attacting all over the world. We tried to get rid of them, when they were in Afghanistan before, but when we got there, they got afraid, and escaped into Pakistan, who're giving them asylum now. So what´s our next target, to get rid of these guys ? Is it Pakistan ?

      October 8, 2010 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      That is not me talking there!!! So Please don't use Me for Your answer!!!

      October 9, 2010 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
  83. MDJ

    Less than 400 Special Forces, Navy Seals and CIA employees, working with a coalition of war lords (and with the aid of US air power) ran the Taliban out of Afghanistan in a few months beginning in late 2001. That was our goal and it was accomplished quickly and relatively cheaply. We can always go back if the country becomes a haven for Islamic terrorists again. Hey, nobody invited us the first time. Our mistake was staying with the goal of dragging Afghanistan from the 18th century into the 21st century and ultimately leaving behind a stable developed country. That was a totally unrealistic bill of goods sold to the American public in the name of patriotism by the Bush Administration, the Pentagon and the lords of the defense industry. Since then we've accomplished nothing, not even holding the territory we initially seized from Taliban control, despite sacrificing more than a thousand soldiers lives and spending billions. We should leave now and we can’t do that as a practical matter without a truce. Both sides have to agree to a truce so the Taliban has to be included.

    October 7, 2010 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Well, if you have THAT knowledge, of the achievements of the special forces, Seals and everything, I'll give you a point of right. Us, ordinary people, don't know all these secret movements, but then I really don't know, why they decided to go into full-scale war, knowing the same as you. There must have been a reason. Maybe you could tell me that secret also ?

      October 8, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Semper Fi don't hide

    The meeting should be a Drone target.

    October 7, 2010 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Who are you ? Not a real marine. How come you use our insignia for your own disgraceful purpose. DON'T USE OUR INSIGNIA, IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF US. PERIOD.

      October 8, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Logic

    You cannot negociate with a society who believes it is better ti die then to live, Somewhere in the revolutionary process these people took a wrong turn and now the world has to suffer. Until Pakistan is flat knocked down by the rest of humanity, terrorists will be free to cause death and destruction.

    October 7, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
  86. Pham Anh

    Gentlemen !
    U.S can not affort to continue to wast our national resources without clearcut result in Afghanistan after 9 years of war.
    Let Hamid Karzai and his people handle by themself.
    So many unemployment at home need help first. Get out of there please !

    October 7, 2010 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.US Army Forever...

      That's for Americans to decide, not you.

      October 7, 2010 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Why don't you already stop using my old name??? You afraid People might take You serious if you use your own???

        October 9, 2010 at 10:40 am | Report abuse |
    • tet1953`

      Well, I am an American, and I say get out now. What makes you so sure Pham Anh is not also an American? It's just an internet nickname fpr Pete's sake.

      October 7, 2010 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • George

      Fact of business: If you think we have a lot of unemployed now, just bring the troops home and see how many we have.

      October 7, 2010 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Awesome! Thank you! Let's not also forget if you want peace- prepare for war. America forgot that before 9/11, let's not forget again!

        October 8, 2010 at 5:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Of course he's a true American also. His name is vietnamese, and we have so many good immigrants from there, who make no trouble, but just work.Don't look down at good people. He's point is right. Domestic issues, like unemployment, is more important, than to wage wars overseas, for billions of dollars a day, maybe enough to save our troubled economy, in itself. Not withstanding, the problems, of attacking Al-Queda, at their bases. But give it a break. We all need money, for a better interior spending, on jobs and support to the needy, and if that's accomplished, by saving a lot of grenades, Pham Anh, has my greatest respect and agreement. Peace IS better, and more economical, than war

      October 8, 2010 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        If we are not prepared for war and rough men stand ready to do violence on your behlaf, then you can have no peace, it's simple mathematics.

        October 9, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Tom

    The only way out is a rational dialogue, and that is hard to do when dealing with people who refuse to listen to reason, and live in a world of religious mysticism. That said, if the terrorists ever want to give peace a try, and make an attempt to negotiate something, they'll need to stop the killing, and figure out a way to deal with the fact that not everyone is going to follow their religion. If that is impossible, then there is no point in entertaining the idea of a rational dialogue.

    October 7, 2010 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • George

      Well, you got me convinced.

      October 7, 2010 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Please go sleep with your degrees, and don't comment again, before you're sober, as it's tiring to read

      October 8, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • BILL

      Terrorisme is occpying land that is not yours with tanks andsoldiers with no one to watch over them to make sure atrocities are not committed....

      October 16, 2010 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
  88. citizenUSA

    So is Karzai looking for peace in Afghanistan only? What about the Talibutts in Pakistan? They're not going to honor any agreement. It seems to be a well know fact that the Talibutts want to impose their beliefs on all Muslims and are willing to kill for it. What kind of deal can Karzai make? The Talibutts helped/helps Al Qaeda although I don't hear too much about their cohorting anymore.

    October 7, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      You're right. there's no peace in Karzai negotiating for Afghanistan, as the problem really is in Pakistan, so no peace, whatsover, in Afghanistan, before Pakistan is eradicated, or at least it's leaders. A flood didn't, manage it. Gods wrath? But the rats survived as usual, and keep burning the flags of those countries, who actually helped them, with billions of dollars. Those you call your enemies, while the so-called Muslim-countries, didn't support a bit, including the Pakistani government itselt.How can muslims be so brain-washed, towards who's good, or who's bad ? It beats me !!

      October 8, 2010 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  89. tet1953`

    Karzai's negotiating with the Taliban and making secret deals is an insult to the U.S. and NATO forces that are are out there dying for Afghanistan. We should leave now. Keep an eye on things from the sky and with intel, and bomb the hell out of confirmed targets or training camps, but there is no need to stay any longer.
    Assuming the above is not going to happen, then Pakistan needs to decide whose side they are on. If they continue to give aid and comfort to the enemy by closing important crossings etc, then they too are the enemy and should be treated as such. I'd rather we just leave.

    October 7, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
  90. jminor

    i agree that we should try to talk with the taliban because their not going to stop unless some kind of agreement is made or everyone in afganistan is dead

    October 7, 2010 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      They are Thieves and Liars, talking to them is only a waste of time.

      October 8, 2010 at 4:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette,IN

        Hey you,will you kindly quit dishonoring the Prophet Mohammed by blogging your right-wing nonsense under his name? This is getting to be sacrilgious,especially to the Muslims.

        October 8, 2010 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Dan, No I will not, that was kind of the point of using this name. (though I will give you credit you are the first one to comment). Your Treasonous posts and sympathy towards the enemy (Taliban, Pakistan-despite thier claims to be "Allies") are kind of offensive to the Americans, the Soldiers and generally "peace loving" people. Really, I don't care what the Muslin world thinks and I especially don't care what Dan thinks. They can go back to living in caves and you should be deported.

        October 8, 2010 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette,IN

        Hey you above,such is to be expected from a person like you with your obvious limitations,Phunnie boy!!!

        October 8, 2010 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        Couldn't you really be applying under your REAL names, as this discussion, is getting very strange. Please ? That can't be that hard, that even using your real names, nobody actually know you personally, but it's annoying to respond to folks, using other persons' "names"

        October 8, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        France, as gay as I once thought they were, actually has some b@lls; they have made it illegal to wear the Burqua or otherwise cover the face, they are not worried about offending Muslins, the rest of the world and America in particular should pay attention. Quit worrying about whose feelings you are going to hurt when it's for the greater good. Dan, I called immigration and they are on thier way to deport you.

        October 8, 2010 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Mohammed is my name.

        October 9, 2010 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Dan I don't see too many limitations, after all I'm not the one who is upset. It just seems to be you, your friend and co-taliban supporter Doofus Sri Lanka and Torben wanting names, should I give you my mother's maiden name, adrress and driver's license number as well? Wouldn't that be nice.

        October 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        No Prohet,just keep the name you're writing under. We know you're you. But the guy from Sri Lanka is annoying, when he call the other guy,using his name, for a goat, when it's actually the one he call goat, who gives the reasonable comments. So better the "goat sayer" stopped using that name,so we'll know which opinions we're dealing with,from each person.Like Jacobi f.ex. He's a crackpot,and we know his 360 degrees pot-talk, so peace be with him,but you two Sri Lankans shouldn't be fighting for a name

        October 11, 2010 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
      • Jerry

        Torben and Prophet. The one using other peoples names used to call himself Daniel-2 he uses everyones names sooner or later. I wont be using this one (mine) again he took that too, he thinks it is humorous.

        October 11, 2010 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
  91. Retired Top Gun

    Yes the Afghans should negitiate with the Taliban. NO, there will never be peace with the Taliban until they are in charge again. Yes lowere level Taliban can be brought into the mainstream if they have jobs and are included in daily governing.

    October 7, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      We need to reconcile the Taliban with the Karzai government and get out of Afghanistan altogerther since we have no business there in the first place.We have absolutely no right to decide Afghanistan's future!

      October 7, 2010 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Get your facts straight:
        Afghanistan asked America to help them get rid of the Taliban. Women were not even allowed to go to the market without thier husbands or eldest son. Women were frequently executed in Public. 500 people were killed in Kabul over tribal fighting one week before America invaded. Music was banned (all forms) under the Taliban, Schools were closed (except for Taliban controlled Mosques) Only 11% of the population could read. Afghanistan asked America for help so they COULD HAVE A FUTURE.

        October 7, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.US Army Forever...

        By your illogic, dindy Sri Lanka, the Paki Taliban has no right messing with Afghanistan either.

        Down with Tamil Tiger Terrorists!

        October 7, 2010 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        I DID NOT WRITE AT 1.07 PM. WHY THESE GOATS ARE BEHIND ME. ? WRITE UNDER YOU OWN ID .

        October 8, 2010 at 12:02 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        We´re just there, to let the mainstream of the population, to decide for themselves, if they want a medieval killing regime, to govern them, or if they want a life, without daily, public executions, but like to live their life, on their own, not being afraid to send their children to school, whether it's a boy or a girl. I suppose, if your name is correct, you come from Sri Lanka, with a lot of war. Isn't peace better than war AND oppression. The tamils are not oppressed anymore, so it's time to end the war against oppression. Same in Afghanistan

        October 8, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        I did not post on 7th at 1.07pm. who is stealing here others ID 🙁

        October 11, 2010 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
  92. TM

    If we can resolve the issue with negotiations and save our love one's lives in war,there is no match to it.We should spread the word of peace in the world instead of war..........we being super power should also show some patience and try to resolve the regional issues to culminate the peace and prosperity in universe.We the Americans should behave like power of cohesion not power of fear.We have to show that we are with the world in dismantlement of hatred and evil.I along with all other peaceful forces believe that war has not resolved any issue in the world and would never settle any problem in future unless we destroy the whole nation from earth...............So my humble opinion is let the peace prevail through dialogs if it happens believe me we would be out of our dismal economic conditions.So please don't sabotage the peace process.....................God bless all of us.

    October 7, 2010 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
  93. George Patton

    I wish to High Heaven that all these right-wing,war loving idiots would just shut up!!! I've seen what damage war can do and these right-wing nutjobs here make me sick with their "shoot'em up" mumbo-jumbo!!!

    October 7, 2010 at 11:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Genghis Khan

      Mind your own business you hippy waste of skin.

      October 7, 2010 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • George Patton

      "May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.”

      October 7, 2010 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette,IN

        I wish that you,Phunnie and Genghis Khan would quit trying to dishonor Gen.Patton by trying to be funny. After all,he command the 3rd Army during WW2 not you!!!

        October 8, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • George Patton

        Whatever name you post under people know you by this name and it is putz.

        October 8, 2010 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Dan you keep knocking everyone for thier names, I'm quite sure the muslims are offended someone is using Gerge Patton's name. I bet if I post under "Scooby Doo" You'd be offended. Frankly I'm offended there is a sissy in Lafayette posting BS on cnn. Tell you what, I'll put my real name when you post your address so one of us can stop by an whip your Taliban Puppet @ss.

        October 9, 2010 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Julius Caeser

      If you want security for Afghanistan and America, Taliban must be annilhilated, our soldiers haven't bled in Afghanistan for 9 years just to see the Taliban enter the government. no No NO!!

      October 11, 2010 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
  94. dindy Sri lanka

    It is very shocking to hear that they kill for their belief. Please take it serious. Do not give aid to the countries where they give ground for the terrorists to do their training. Protect the Air space and the boarders of USA with that money. Let them understand that no one can live while getting angry with rest of the beliefs or with the world. If they want to have discussions with any group tell Taliban or Alqeda to lay down their arms first before they come for peace talk. Also if the peace accord works build more schools in Afghanistan and help them to have a Bullets and stones free life. I wish these children and women in Afghanistan will able to live a peaceful life soon . God will reveal the truth in his time to every one and let the God handle these difference with religions. stop killing for sake of belief. Murderers wont go to heaven according to new testimony. We all must contribute to make peace on earth first even to hear the peace talks. May God help all the human beings to end wars like the way he give sun and rain to all despite of their belief. May God help all of us to understand him better and praise him in spirit !!! and at the end we all be with him in heaven despite of color or race.

    October 7, 2010 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
    • mcmurdo proud military fiance

      very well done, I agree,

      October 7, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        I didn't post the above,mcmurdo. Somebody's trying to make me look dumb.

        October 7, 2010 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        dindy Sri lanka
        Quote: "I didn't post the above,mcmurdo. Somebody's trying to make me look dumb."
        From what I have read of most of your posts you don't need the help.

        October 7, 2010 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        MCMURDO PROUD MILLITARY FIANCE THIS IS ME DINDY FROM SRI LANKA AND I DID WRITE THE COMMENT AT 11.37AM OCTOMBER 7TH 2010 AND NOT HE ONE AT 1.04PM . A GOAT HAS WRITTEN THIS AT 1.04 PM

        October 7, 2010 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Frankly Speaking..

      "If they want to have discussions with any group tell Taliban or Alqeda to lay down their arms first before they come for peace talk. "

      Can say the same about our army, eh ?

      October 8, 2010 at 11:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Frankly Speaking..

      even if it aint you, its someone as stupid as you..so shouldnt make a diiference, chill

      October 8, 2010 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Thank you, for your deep human understanding. Your way is the right, and positive, way. No other good way for us all, muslim or not

      October 8, 2010 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
  95. S R Wakankar

    The real problem is Pakistan's almost religious devotion to the obsolete ideology of medieval anti-Indian Arab/Muslim Imperialism, the bedrock of its formation.Unless Pakistan changes and abandons this evil ideology,things cannot improve.Pakistan is Muslim Imperialism incarnate.It is an artificial nation.It thinks itself to be the representative of the whole Muslim World.It calls its nuclear weapon "Islamic Bomb".It is a threat to the world.
    Pakistan must change like Bangladesh;B'desh renounced the very word "Pakistan" which carries no meaning at all and is an absurdity.Why does not it become "Muslim India" when it is 101% India?All terrorism is Pakistan creation.Osama cannot exist in Hindukushmountains without Pakistan's tacit support to his dangerous agenda ie global jihad.

    October 7, 2010 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Frankly Speaking..

      Typical hindu who does not understand the differnce between water and cow p33...Stop drinkin that filth coz when trash goes in, only trash comes out. There is a subtle difference between you and muslims, while they use evidence to assert their hypothesis you flare insults coz thats all you got.

      October 8, 2010 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
      • Jack

        What is better....Camel P$$$ that Mohd drank or Cow P$$$?

        October 8, 2010 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        Idiot!! What kind of argument is that. Maybe you're a pig instead of a cow, and drink liquor as a muslim, instead of water ? Cheers

        October 8, 2010 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jack

      Why do the Pakis get irritated when the truth is out in the open. Pakistan is infact a lap dog of the US. US funds the Pakistan. Pakistan funds ISI. ISI funds the Taliban and Taliban is bent on detroying the US. The cycle continues. As long as there is Islam, there will be Jihad and the slaying of the infidels.

      October 8, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        You're quite right. This is the heart point of the Afghan conflict. Nothing more. Solve any problem at the roots, to get it really solved, so we finally can live in more peace, than before.

        October 8, 2010 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Unfortunately Pakistan is playing both sides and flip flopping to the highest bidder on a whim, plus they are scared of the Taliban who live among them. Many Afghanis fled to Pakistan in the time of the Taliban. The Taliban are from the Pashtun and that huge tribe borders (if you call it a border, more like a guideline) on Pakistan.
        It's very hard to make any real solid deals or alliances with these people becuase they lie, cheat and steal as a way of life; corruption is deeply ingrained from thousands of years and it's not at all the same to them as it is in the west. Over here, being a good liar wasn't just a way to get ahead in life, it was for SURVIVAL. If you have never been here it may be hard to fully understand but being quick on your wits more often than not meant the difference between life and death, the same goes for corruption. When someone is arrested by NATO forces and turned over to the Afghanis, it is often a race between the judge, lawyer, police and guards to see who collects the bribe money to release the person, this has been going on for thousands of years so it's not something NATO is going to be able to fix in a decade or so. Everything here changes hands, money, information, lives and somebody is always getting a cut. It was the only way a culture could survive in such a hostile and harsh conditions, both socially and physically (as in farming, water, etc.)

        October 9, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • HinduJ

        Dear Hindu Brother,

        Please don't hate Muslims so much.

        October 14, 2010 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Torben Schmidt

      Like spoken straight from my heart. And you have personal insight, given from your name. Thanks for telling the actual truth, that so many are afraid of speaking. I don't know why, people are afraid of the truth, but thanks, You formulate it much better than me

      October 8, 2010 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
  96. Riza Afghan

    John in Manhattan, i will nuke/nude your mama you stupid f00k.
    Learn how to talk stupid f00k.

    October 7, 2010 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      Learn English.

      October 9, 2010 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
      • UdnihJ

        Dear Hindu Brother,

        I will learn English and take up a BPO jobin India that got outsourced from America to India and I will have the media blame China for that.

        October 14, 2010 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
      • UdnihJ

        Dear Hindu Brother,

        I will learn English and take up a BPO job in India that got outsourced from America to India and I will have the media blame China for that.

        October 14, 2010 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
  97. John in Manhattan

    NO one should be negotiating with these animals. Kill women and children just for trying to better themselves. I say nuke the whole area. Semper Fi, do or die!!!!!!!

    October 7, 2010 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
    • Riza Afghan

      John in Manhattan, i will nuke/nude your mama you stupid f00k.
      Learn how to talk stupid f00k...

      October 7, 2010 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Riza ..jhon says to nuke the area of Taliban not the areas where the innocent people live. I hope Jhon will exolain it too.

        October 7, 2010 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      John in Manhatten,your comment is one of the most disgusting ones I've seen. Where did you learn how to hate like that???

      October 7, 2010 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        He's obviously been reading the trash you post, that's where.

        October 7, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.US Army Forever...

        It couldn't be from where you learned to hate America, Dan, you seditious hippie.

        October 7, 2010 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        I learn a little more hatred every time I read a post form some idiot named Dan In Lafayette, IN.

        October 8, 2010 at 4:57 am | Report abuse |
      • Bill

        To the prophet Mohammed. Aside from the pure cowardice of not using your own name, I find fault with the real prophet Mohammed, who was responsible for more deaths during more conquests and genocides than any other group in history. The rely jane converted Syria, Northern Africa, Spain, Afghanistan, Pakistan and much of Indonesia to Islam at the point of a sword. Those who converted, were permitted to live. Those who didn't, died. They are currently involved in more than forty armed conflicts worldwide. This is not a religion of peace.

        October 8, 2010 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        Don't feel bad,Larry. I see that Phunnie boy just usurped both our names again,trying to be funny as usual.

        October 8, 2010 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        To Bill the Brave:
        First of all, let me congratulate you on your bravery for using your real name "Bill" from the safety of your couch. Clearly you have not read my other posts, at no time have I said anything about peace loving Islam. You just assumed based upon my name. The point of this name is to irritate. If it was up to me I would nuke the whole lot of them, as far as them fighing the Shiite\Sunni war all over the world, fine by me, I just wish they would leave the rest of us out of it. The Prophet has spoken.

        October 8, 2010 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette,IN

        Hey you above,will you kindly stop dishonoring the Prophet Mohammed by posting your right-wing nonsense under his name? If you hate Islam so much,then say so under your own name for a change,Phunnie boy!!!

        October 8, 2010 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • SAnwar

        Dan in Lafayette, IN; Some times its not hatred, its just fools have to say something (all they ca contribute) , not like civilized people who say something things to contribute, consider them Desktop Boots.

        October 17, 2010 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • ladydi

      John in Manhatten – That will work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      October 8, 2010 at 7:54 am | Report abuse |
  98. Dan in Lafayette, IN

    The only way that you can talk to the Taliban is if they give up on their beliefs of a strict sixth century sharia laws that allows them to kill with impunity those who do not follow their same beliefs! Otherwise they must be killed for the atrocities they did in the 90's and are unwilling to repent!

    October 7, 2010 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      I wish that you'd use your own name when posting here. For the record,I strongly favor a negotiated settlement.

      October 7, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • mcmurdo proud military fiance

        Hi dan I agree with what you stated , yes they need to try and have a win win and at least they could say they tried to sit down and talk peace , we have to show good examples to these people ,

        October 7, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        I'm sure you do hippy.

        October 7, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.US Army Forever...

        For the record, you strongly support the Taliban winning. And that's why you're a seditious hippie.

        October 7, 2010 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tim

        I'm sure some guy in prison is saying the same thing to Bubba right now, and Bubba's reply will be "make my day punk".

        October 8, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gee Dee Jay

      I agree Dan, As for the U.S we need to get everyone out, military, aid, everything both out og Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then, sit back and wait to see what happens. If we need to go back in, say after a civil war erupts and theinnocent are still dying then go back in. Get out, basically it's waht these terrorists say we need to do before they stop suicide bombings, wait, see if they stop, then if not, total annhiliation, wipe them out.

      October 7, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.US Army Forever...

        We weren't in Afghanistan or Pakistan prior to 9/11. We sat back and saw what happened.

        October 7, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
  99. Torben Schmidt

    No way. Taleban will only stop, when allowed to take over power again, but ASP something should really be done with Pakistan. Flooding or no flooding, the rats still survive, and create this havoc in a country where we're not allowed to defend ourselves. If we could stop ISI's support and protection of the Taleban in Pakistan, the war would be over in no time,without having to negotiate with the terrorists. So the root of this mess is in Pakistan, not in Afghanistan itself,and before this is solved,there'll never be peace, as the Pakistanis will continue to support and give safe haven, both to the Taleban and Al Queda,who also use Pakistan,as their training ground for international terroism, so it's not only the Taleban-problem that would be solved, but the international terrorism as well, if Pakistan is fixed. What about cutting in the billions of dollars in aid, they are getting, every time a NATO-convoy is blown to peaces, on their soil, by their Taleban friends. Maybe that would help. It also makes no sense for me at all, to finance Pakistan,who then again finances the Taliban and Al Queda.Why support your enemy ?

    October 7, 2010 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      you are correct here.should not give more support to the countries who bottle feed terrorists.

      October 8, 2010 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        I didn't post that stupid comment above,Torben as I never aprove of all that right-wing mumbo-jumbo you keep posting here!

        October 8, 2010 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      If We keep killing Their Leaders with Our Drones... They will have nothing else but to talk PEACE with us!!!

      October 9, 2010 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        Well, I don't know. New leaders are popping up the whole time. But for sure, the drone attacks are very important, against Al-Quedas prepared attacks, against Europe and U.S.A, because of good intel in the area,they hit them in the budding of their plans.Very effective,and has prevented a lot of innocent lives, to be wasted, all over the world.So more power to that,and that they are so precise,that no innocents are killed. The germans killed recently,weren't exactly turists.

        October 9, 2010 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
  100. agila ng davao

    Talking peace with islamic militants like taliban,is useless and will go nowwhere.Rather Karzai,must talk with the tribal leaders and make a deal.Islamic miltants do not have clout in the tribal areas unless tribal leaders have authority and accepted by locals.taliban will use peace talk as tactical ceasefire to rearm and reorganized . then when they felt,they the tactical advantage and the gov't will put their guard down,then they will resume offensive.Rather karzai must follow the doctrine of clear,hold and rebuild and established permanent central government presence and strenghten the political and economic lives of the locals. This strategy was successful and still successful today.

    October 7, 2010 at 8:39 am | Report abuse |
    • bailoutsos

      Back in the early 80s, the Taliban were America's secret lover in Afghanistan. Guess the relationship went sour.

      October 7, 2010 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.US Army Forever...

        Shows how much you know. The Taliban didn't even EXIST in the 80s!
        Stick to cutting and pasting headlines.

        October 7, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • bailoutsos

        Larry Valecia, Calif.US Army Forever... Shows how much you know. The Taliban didn't even EXIST in the 80s!
        Stick to cutting and pasting headlines. @@@@ Response to your comment has been noted elsewhere.

        October 7, 2010 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • justin

        bailoutsos, the taliban are pashtun people, and have been around for centuries. And recognized as the taliban at least since the 1880's. Get your facts straight.

        October 7, 2010 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

        Yes, technically it did NOT exist. Its precursor, the 'mujahedeen' were indeed our allies – we considered the Russsins worse than Islamic fanatics and they were just as effective with them as they are now with us.

        Russians, on the other hand, turned (hopefully) almost into lambs fighting their own Muslims in Chechnya and elsewehere. These are the ironies of history, more precisely bad judgment on the highest places.

        October 7, 2010 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bill

        Taliban is a generic term meaning students, and has been around a long time. Taliban with a capital T, meaning the extremist group, originated in 1994 when the Mujahadin from the war with Russia decided to implement sharia law in Afghanistan. Their reign is unfortunate, but I don't see how it's any of our business. We're after Bin Laden, and shouldn't be involving ourselves with 12th century cultures.

        October 8, 2010 at 8:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Wilder Napalm

        Yep back in those days they went by the name Mujahideen. And I bet ya can't guess who one of their commanders was.

        October 8, 2010 at 11:43 am | Report abuse |
      • G.W. Hayduke III

        Ronnie Reagan funded Osama bin Ladin and the mujahadeen with $1Billion dollars in weapons and training to fight the Soviets. It appears that America does not know how to play "Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend" and the little rabid weasels turned on their handlers when they ran out of Soviet Infidels to kill.

        October 11, 2010 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • dandydonny

        Why is it that people who have no clue about anything always want to shoot their mouth off? It just shows the depth of your ignorance.

        October 12, 2010 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • chris

        lol please pick up a history book or atleast admit you dont know enough. The Taliban was formed in the mid 90's and actually fought against some of the 'mujahadeen' from the 80's i.e. Gulbudinn Hekmatyar. They fought Hekmatyar and he soon recognized their growing power and influence. Hekmatyar was the one backed by the U.S. and he turned out to be a bad investment, since now he is allied with his former enemies the Taliban. We should have rallied to the leader of the Northern Alliance, the more moderate Ahmad Shah Massoud who ironically scored major defeats against the Soviets laregly without U.S. help. He was murdered by Al-Qaeda in 2000 I believe. In any event before you slander our country and post your ignorance, atleast learn a little bit of history.

        October 14, 2010 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

      Of course it is useless but unavoidable – just like talking to Vietcong/North Vietnam more than thirty years ago.

      Our only goal: is to get out from that god forsaken part of the world. OK, Allah may love them but He does not like us, that's for sure.

      Smokescreen like the 'Paris Accords' (look it up on Google, one of the Kissinger's masterpieces of deception) is required for our withdrawal. Karzai now calls Taliban 'brothers' hoping that he (and his family) will survive after we leave and we WILL leave sooner or later. Prolonging the agony of unwinable war serves no purpose except postponing retirement of a few generals and enriching few Afghans with our money that is, just like in Iraq, mostly stolen.

      October 7, 2010 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • runswithbeer

        In Viet Nam today the same people we were fighting run the place. Are are OUR FRIENDS. The whole friggin Viet Nam war could have been avoided had it not been for Radical Right-Wing Christians who were scared to death of Godless Commies.
        Funny thing is Most Vietnamese are BUDDHIST. +They just wanted to run their own country their way.

        October 14, 2010 at 6:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Manuel J.

        Shows how much you know about Viet Nam. U.S. involvement in Viet Nam started with JFK... a Democrat. Get your facts straight before filling the blogs with garbage.

        October 17, 2010 at 12:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • A responsible Citizen

      I think talking with Taliban is the only way to have peace in Afghanistan because Taliban has been turned to a Political force as well.

      October 9, 2010 at 1:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        The reality is this, Obama is going to start pulling out next year anyway, with requisite smoke and mirrors, everyone knows this including the Taliban. Negotiations with local taliban leaders is the only possible solution. They want to control certain geographical regions, so why dont we work with local tribal leaders to create IOWABAN, OHIOBAN, UTAHSTAN, they understand locally, not at a federal level. This is the same mistake we made in IRAQ, work with what you have< a tribal infrastructure, so build city states around that model. The taliban do not care about Al Queda, they want local control. Sharia law is the problem. You mandate to them don't get support for your local city state unless you play like like a human being and not some 12th century animal. You get your own pomegranate groves, wind towers, irrigation systems, roads, and lithium mineral rights and mines, if you give women their rights, and all kids go to school. Where is the carrot? it needs to be local valley control, districts, get some infrastructure in there, show them a localized plan where the "local chieftans" have a stake, then get the hell out of there, and soon.

        October 12, 2010 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      It might be a waste of time like with the Palestine... But if You don't talk PEACE all you will get is more killing!!! I rather try for PEACE myself...

      October 9, 2010 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Naija Boy

      AMERICA IS HAVESTING WHAT THEY PLANTED IN AFGHANISTAN, CARTER RIGIME THROUGH NSA ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI ADVOCATED A POLICY OF SUPPORTING (THE GREEN) MUSLIM BROTHERS AGAINST (THE RED). THE OBJECTIVE WAS TOPPLE THE THEN SECULAR GOVERNMENT OF AFGHANISTAN, IT IS THE SAME IN IRAQ NOW. THE MUJAHEDINS USA SUPPORTED IN THE 1970`S AND 1980`S BECAME THE TALIBAN OF THE 1990`S.

      October 10, 2010 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        Don't keep on messing around in former bad mistakes,that are only clear to understand in hindsight. If the decisionmakers, had known what would happen,i believe they would have decided otherwise. It's not easy to be fortune telling, especially about the future. So let's concentrate our comments, about what to do NOW, and in the NEAR future instead. Try to think positive,if there's anything positive to think of 🙂

        October 11, 2010 at 9:50 am | Report abuse |
      • chris

        yeah sure like Ahmad Shah Massoud the most renowned anti-Soviet fighter of the 1980's became part of the Taliban right? He was murdered by the Taliban and or Al-Qaeda in 2000.

        October 14, 2010 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • BILL

        YES YES.............YES .

        October 16, 2010 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • IDA LANG

      Talibaner ingen berättigad tvinga folk som får inte kvinnor,flickor gå till skolan skall aldrig mörda vem som helst,det är allvarlig förbrytelser,kriminellt,låt bli alla folk ge frihet!!!!Det är allvarlig brott mot mänskligheterna.STOPPA KRIG MELLAN AFGATINSTAN,PAKISTAN OOCH NÄRMASTE GRÄNS!!!STOPPA KRIG!!!TALIBANER MÅSTE ERKÄNDE ATT DET ÄR ALLVARLIG BROTT MOT MÄNSKLIGHETER.STACKARS FOLK ÄR OSKYLDIGA DÖ UTAN SKÄL,VARFÖR TVINGA FOLK SOM BEHÖVER RÄDD FÖR TALIBANER,TROR BARA TALINANER ÄR STARKA,ABSOLUT INTE,DET ÄR SKANDALÖSA I FRIHETERNA SOM INBLANDAD I FRÅGORNA.

      October 11, 2010 at 2:43 am | Report abuse |
      • Torben Schmidt

        Du burde tale engelsk i dette forum. Svensk er ikke et verdenssprog, so SPEAK ENGLISH

        October 11, 2010 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        나는 영어

        October 12, 2010 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
      • walt

        The Prohpet Muhammed are u kidding me just a question how would Patton handle this????????

        January 22, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rs1stars

      It is time for the US to focus on US interest as a priority. The Taliban are not going to get Christmas cards from me, but as long as they cease to support Al-Qaeda then the US interests are served. If we do not need to settle a cival war in Afghanistan to achieve our aims with Al-Qaeda, then let's let them sort our their own issues. The Taliban have no interest in globalizing their fight. Al-Qaeda does. Our real issue is Pakistan – and their neglect of Al-Qaeda on their turf while they fret over India. Al-Qaeda is essentially now out of Afghanistan and is free to operate in Pakistan. We've forgotten that our issue since 9/11 is Al-Qaeda. It never was Iraq. And it is not the Taliban in Afghanistan....even if they are a band of whack-jobs.

      October 11, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • MDVOL

      We need to KEEP THE SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN until they have DONE their DUTY and WON the WAR!!!

      October 11, 2010 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Shirley Dick

        Partial agreement with you- NEVER draw back with the enemy. However, we need to count the loss of life here, also what will be the outcome in the future if we pull our troops out of there, also take into account that the Afgh people don't want us there. Future episodes of terrorism from Taliban will be a world issue in the future.They have set up shop in other parts of the world already, a total threat to world security. They can be defeated with worldwide coalition forces. I doubt if negotiating with them will help. if we negotiate, a deportation order for their people back to Afghanistan, as I mentioned earlier, they are a threat to world security. Do no buying, trading, or negotiating with them.

        October 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Israeli PM offers conditional settlements freeze
      WRCB Chattanooga Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:29 AM PDT
      Israel's prime minister on Monday offered to extend a moratorium on Jewish settlement construction in the West Bank, but only if the Palestinians meet his demand to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

      October 12, 2010 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
      • nomorelies

        How many times do Palestinians have to go down on their knees and accept the Israeli rights. Yasser Arafat did that as a precondition. Every other leader after him is forced to utter it and then Israel keeps grabbing more and more land and not keep its pledges. That is the reason Hamas came into being and became rebellious. Israel has no intention of giving up anything. They have much superior weapons. It is in their short term interest to keep stalling and grabbing as much land and humiliate the Palestinians as they can.

        October 13, 2010 at 10:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Polisicks

      Let Karzai do as he pleases – it's his country. Insofar as the U.S., is concerned, we should first bring all of our military back home and then negotiate long distance, via the internet, with the Taliban. U.S. politicians are great talkers. That's all they ever do.

      October 12, 2010 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lon

      The Mujaheddin were different than the Taliban. The Muj were Tribal leaders like Massoud, Hekmatyar and others who we used, (operational word here being USED) to fight the crumbling Soviet Union. Support for the emergence of the Taliban as a militia and jihadist group made up of Fanatical Islamists from the Islamic schools along the Pakistan Afghan border was somewhat split among the the Muj that we supported through the CIA in the 70's and 80's. Hektmayar pro, Massoud con.. for example. Many tribal leaders and Soviet leaders were very worried about this new brand of Fanatic Sharia. Unfortunately the Taliban, largely, were allowed to come into power by clandestine support from Pakistan and certain Warlords from Afghanistan and generally a policy of appeasement on many fronts, including our own CIA and state department.

      October 13, 2010 at 8:47 am | Report abuse |
      • Thunder

        used imlies they got nothing out of it. did they not want russia out?

        October 18, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • K. bro

      I'd just blow the whole area off the map

      October 14, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • runswithbeer

      Peace in Afghanistan only comes with Peace in the Middle East. The Middle East is the key to removing the sting from the Scorpion's (Taliban) Tail. Radical groups on ALL sides must be stopped and folks with some common sense need to take their place.

      October 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • momomiester

      Sure it is a good idea!. We should of talked with the nazis during WW2. Being passive always works in a fight cause the other guy will take pity on you and quit. Really? I think it is time to replace the Wimp in chief with a real man that can actually lead this country. Either fight or go home and quit spending billions.

      October 15, 2010 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
    • miras

      peace will only come when the u.s. quits giving israel a free ride to build homes on what little the palestians had. we should w/draw immediately from iraq, afghan. they don't want us there, can't we understand that. but then look how profitable war is for contractors, arms manufacturers, etc. if we hadn't supported israel, right or wrg, there wouldn't have been 9/11. they gave us a taste of what they've gone thru for yrs. i'm just tellg it like it is. we want to kill our enemies; they want to kill us. i'm sick of hearing, if we w/draw, thatmore than 4,000 soldiers lost their lives for nothg; the only thg worse is 5,000 soldiers losing lives. we're going to w/draw, just like in V.N. but as the viet cong said, we will prevail after many more lose their lives. now they're our friends. what must the VN vets feel???

      October 17, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • markjuliansmith

      You are perfectly correct. Nothing has ever been achieved in Afghanistan by simply compromising ideals for a quick fix. There is no quick fix.

      Previously given the logistical buffers Western Democracies were protected from the Textual Islamic violence against other and women, this is no longer the case.

      Western Democracies have no choice in the Middle East and Central Asia than to stay the course in establishing secular Democracies.

      Retreating is no option there is simply no longer anywhere to retreat. It is either in the long term a Democratic Text or Islamic Text; it cannot and could never be both. The reason being Islamic Text as in the Quran makes it very clear non-adherence in any form is unacceptable and necessarily subject to grievous harm despite whatever so called moderate Muslims claim.

      It is my opinion in a civilised society if you believe what is only in the first two chapters of the Quran regards other you cannot be deemed in anyway a moderate.

      The truth is the terror has been occurring since the formation of Islam with Mohammad’s own murderous actions against other will not stop until Islamic text demeaning other and subscribing ‘grievous harm’ for being so is deleted.

      October 18, 2010 at 1:30 am | Report abuse |
    • prosperare

      Don't we learn from history? At the time he engaged in appeasement, Chamberlain's actions were also viewed quite favorably. History tells us how that went. Sometimes it has to be right to fight. This is one of those moments in history. Never give in to the Taliban. Never surrender. Never give up. What is right will someday prove itself.

      October 18, 2010 at 11:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lance Ness

      Negotiating with the Taliban almost sounds like kissing Hitler on the mouth. Hate to do it, but if it ends the war, saves lots of lives (American, British and Afghan), and helps bring some level of freedom and democracy to Afghanistan, it may be worth it. And it just might help us finally find and capture Bion Ladin.

      However, I find it highly likely the Taliban would use peace as an attempt to gain control of Afghanistan again. There has to be a way to keep them in check, maybe even disarmed, or this peace process could result in disaster.

      October 19, 2010 at 8:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Lawrence

      you are correct – Islamic militants view any "peace", "negotiations", "ceasefire" or absence of conflict as a time to re-arm and re-plan acts of terrorism and violence. The only thing that will stop the Islamic war machine and Muslim aggression is our complete surrender and subjugation. When we are beaten, enslaved and we are completely under the control of the Imams and Sharia Law, our Islamic masters will end the war. Of course, the violence and brutality that Muslims display (even against each other) all over the world will continue. It just won't be called "Jihad" anymore.

      October 19, 2010 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • walt

      Are you aLL kidding your analogies are all insane the analogy related to islam is nazism if we all agree that no matter what the civilized world does this violence will not stop than just like WW2 there is absolutley no other option total victory against these dirtbags when we are dead and buried are kids are gonna wonder why we didnt deal with this now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      January 22, 2011 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
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