September 27th, 2010
10:57 AM ET

Tapes describe U.S. servicemen killing for sport in Afghanistan

From Drew Griffin, CNN Correspondent

Tapes obtained by CNN of interrogations of a group of U.S. servicemen charged with the unprovoked killings of Afghan civilians describe gruesome scenes of cold-blooded murder carried out under the influence of illegal drugs.

The following is a partial transcript of those tapes, between a military investigator and Cpl. Jeremy Morlock, one of the five U.S. soldier charged with the premeditated murder of three Afghan civilians.

"So we met this guy by his compound, so Gibbs walked him out, set him in place, was like standing here," said Morlock, detailing how, on patrol earlier this year and under the command of his sergeant, Calvin R. Gibbs, he and others took an Afghan man from his home, stood him up and killed him.

"So, he was fully cooperating?" the military investigator asks on the tapes.

"Yeah," Morlock responds.

Investigator: "Was he armed?"

Morlock: "No, not that we were aware of."

Investigator: "So, you pulled him out of his place?"

Morlock: "I don't think he was inside. He was by his little hut area ... and Gibbs sent in a couple of people. He sent Rodriguez off a little ways, far side security. As I said, I'm not even sure Rodriguez knew what was going on and them."

Investigator: "Where did they stand him, next to a wall?"

Morlock: "Yeah, he was kinda next to a wall, so where Gibbs could get behind a wall when the grenade went off and then he kind of placed me and Winfield off over here so we had a clean line of sight for this guy and, you know, he pulled out one of his grenades, an American grenade, popped it, throws the grenade and tells me and Winfield, 'Alright, wax this guy. Kill this guy, kill this guy.' "

Investigator: "Did you see him present any weapons? Was he aggressive toward you at all?"

Morlock: "No, not at all. Nothing, he wasn't a threat."

The Army alleges that three Afghan civilians were killed between January and May of this year.

Morlock's civilian attorney, Michael Waddington, did not deny that his client killed for sport. "That's what it sounds like," he told CNN.

Waddington said his 22-year-old client was brain-damaged from prior IED attacks, was using prescription drugs and smoking hashish and was under the influence of and in fear of his commanding officer, who is also charged.

A hearing is set for Monday for Morlock, the first of five soldiers charged with the premeditated murder of three Afghan civilians.  The hearing at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington will determine whether the military has enough evidence against him to proceed with a court-martial.

Some background on the case:
Over this summer, 12 U.S. soldiers were charged for a variety of crimes in what military authorities believe was a conspiracy to murder Afghan civilians and cover it up, along with charges they used hashish, mutilated corpses and kept grisly souvenirs.

Five soldiers face murder charges, while seven others are charged with participating in a coverup. All of the men were members of a 2nd Infantry Division brigade operating near Kandahar in southern Afghanistan in 2009 and 2010.

According to the military documents, Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs and four other soldiers were involved in throwing grenades at civilians and then shooting them in separate incidents. Three Afghan men died.

Authorities allege Gibbs kept finger bones, leg bones and a tooth from Afghan corpses. Another soldier, Spc. Michael Gagnon II, allegedly kept a skull from a corpse, according to charging documents. Several soldiers are charged with taking pictures of the corpses, and one – Spc. Corey Moore – with stabbing a corpse.

Five soldiers were originally arrested in June and seven others were charged last month.

The five facing murder charges are Gibbs, of Billings, Montana; Pfc. Andrew Holmes of Boise, Idaho; Winfield, of Cape Coral, Florida; Spc. Michael Wagnon, of Las Vegas, Nevada; and Spc. Jeremy Morlock of Wasilla, Alaska.

The five are from the 5th Stryker Brigade of the 2ID, based out of Fort Lewis, Washington.

In May, CNN reported that the Fort Lewis Stryker Brigade, known as the "5-2," had been the subject of controversy for months inside Army circles. The unit has suffered some of the highest casualty rates of the war. Several senior U.S. Army officials had told CNN there has been a growing belief inside Army circles the brigade was not embracing McChrystal's counter-insurgency strategy and was too heavily focused instead on combat operations.

In one of the most comprehensive analyses of the 5-2's troubled tour in southern Afghanistan, the Army Times reported in January that the brigade commander Col. Harry Tunnell replaced one of his company commanders whose group had suffered high casualties.

But the Army Times, a privately-published newspaper, quoted several soldiers who said that company commander was very popular with the troops, and that the unit's deep-set troubles and casualties resulted from a lack of training for the type of counter-insurgency warfare now being called for.

"What we're doing is not working, and we need to go on a different tack," the Army Times quoted one soldier as saying.

A senior U.S. Army official directly familiar with Stryker operations said the command of the 5-2 has been a concern to the Army for months.

• May 24, 2010: Sources: U.S. soldiers focus of criminal investigation
• June 16, 2010: Army charges 3 more in Afghan civilian killings
• August 26, 2010: U.S. soldiers charged with conspiracy in killings
• September 9, 2010: Army: 12 soldiers killed Afghans, mutiliated corpses

soundoff (1,099 Responses)
  1. Greg

    which Crusade is this? I lost count!

    September 27, 2010 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
  2. EGH129

    This is war, imagine if you see your buddies being blown to bits. I applaud these soldgers, make all fear our military killing machine!! If not after you see your bud get blown to bits find the purpotrator and give him a flower. On second thought kill 'em all!!

    September 27, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob Griffin

      And you don't think the various local people might have relatives who, in spite of our fearsome military, might want to visit us with the fruits of our soldiers' actions?

      September 28, 2010 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
  3. BackHome

    A murdering thug is just that. No need to compare him/her to the sane/better soldier. They put the entire forces and the nation to shame. These thugs have no place but in a slammer or in the electric chair. I wonder how many go unnoticed for every one caught on tape – has to be a staggering number. Worst, these thugs come right back and assimilate in society waiting to pounce on the next not-so-native looking citizen. Enough of the sob stories – on with the trial. This is not the protection I subscribed to. Bring em hoime and keep em away from TEA.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Greg

    "With God On Our Side" was one of my favorite Dylan songs!

    September 27, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Tom

    As a Veteran I say end the wars now, and bring the men and women back home. HOOAH !

    September 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Craig

    I don't blame Bush, I blame everyone who supported us to go to war. This is the kind of thing that happens in war, why would anyone be surprised when young people are trained (brainwashed) to kill and everyone is suprised they do kill!? Comanding Officers are directly to blame and should pay the price since they are the one's in control of the troops. But of course the servicemen directly involved will suffer the concenquences and the CO's will get a slap on the wrist.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
  7. keri

    bad example for the rest of out troops! they should face the consequences of there actions. that is just a hate crime! really sad! as for the rest of the comments sounds like people need to go back to goverement class! god bless our troops that put their lives in harms way everyday! u may not like the war but love the troops because if it weren't for them we would living like so many other country's! have some respect people

    September 27, 2010 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Brian

    This is looking more like Vietnam everyday. Remember the My Lai massacre? I was in the Army at the time and people who were there said we killed over 600 women and children at My Lai in 1968.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Fair_balanced

    Shouldn't the headline read "US Prosecutes Troops Who Attached Civilians". There will always be bad people. CNN plays down that the army is aggressively prosecuting these criminals.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • GettingAlong

      Mr. Mentally_Imbalanced,
      Sorry, but today is not your day. Let ppl express their rightful anger 'coz your guys today have no defense. Even their attorneys seem confused how to defend them. Take your fox news into some fox hole if you're such a fitghter. Humanity is angry today because it's been brought to a new low by your f-ing heroes. Don't defend the indefensible, or also defend Hitler for what he did to other humans a while ago. Pol Pot's guys also kept bones as souvenirs. Good luck tea bagger.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Greg

    I think that the worst part of this story (besides the obvious cold blooded murder) is that the story says he was under the influence of illegal drugs. Turns out it was just hashish. It's just too easy, under the current stigma and legal status of hashish, for the media to connect crazy people with marijuana. Never mind the fact that this guy was nuts BEFORE he started using hashish.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Ciszek

      I like this comment. This guy seems disturbed, and to say that he was on hashish is just there to scare people of marijuana.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Ciszek

        Also, millions of people each day smoke weed. How many of them kill other people while high? Prob 0... If anything, alcohol kills. Legalize marijuana.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Wasilla, Alaska?

    Seems to me there is another brain damaged person from Wasilla? Hmmmm....Oh that's right.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
  12. SewingMachine

    Well stated "Brad"

    September 27, 2010 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Nas

    This is another proof that US Army is accomplgshing and continuing THE CHRISTIAN WAR AGAINST ISLAM AND MUSLIMS. It is the buried Hatred to Islam, the True Religion. American people in general are Deceived by their Leaders, who are manipulated by Jewish Loby..

    September 27, 2010 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob Griffin

      Sorry, it's not so. While there are some who would agree with your point of view, they aren't making national policy (Shukr-Allah/God be thanked). The allies of the US in overthrowing Saddam included Da'wa and the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq. The US hasn't invaded Ghana nor Indonesia nor Saudi Arabia nor Yemen nor alMaghreb.
      The US fought for Bosnian Muslims and Albanian Muslims.

      September 28, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Sgt. Pepper

    How not to win the hearts and minds of the people.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Massive Marbles

    If there were no REPUBLICAN agenda in Afghanistan our soldiers would NOT be over there. And, if our soldiers were NOT over there, these crimes would have not be carried out; therefore, these crimes should be placed squarely on the shoulders of the REPUBLICANS who put these soldiers in harms way! I am so sick and tired of these little men who send our skilled Men and Women to locations around the globe for nonsense and then have the unmitigated gall to punish them for crimes that they 'may have' perpetrated under stressful and post traumatic conditions! Shame on You Snot Nosed Rich Snobs Trying to Manipulate the World at The Working Man's Expense!

    September 27, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • SewingMachine

      Massive Marbles; yes, the Republicans were in the majority and were the driving force to start the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq 9 years ago. However; Obama and a Democratic majority were elected nearly 2 years ago and have done very little if anything to end the wars. We still have record supplemental military expenditures and hundreds of thousands of troops and civilians engaged in these wars. The last thing I want to do is defend a Republican, but the fact is that the Democrats own this thing now.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
  16. todd

    For some reason (being pampered their whole life) the white suburban kids don't make great material for fighting wars and they seem to snap disproporitionately. That's why we have so much PTSD. Conditions in the US aren't conducive to breeding fighters.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • MartinSA

      while definitely a controversial view, there might actually be something to that notion. a common sense perspective supports it, but an actual study might be interesting.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Phil

    String em up!

    September 27, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
  18. GettingAlong

    In the interest of Getting Along, we MUST at least present a semblance of justice after this has come to light, otherwise the world will remain up in arms against arrogant "AmeriKKKa" and the wEST in general. And the story will be played and replayed on channels around the Muslims world and will gain traction, possibly leading to attacks against Americans and even the good ones among American and NATO soldiers.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Roger Ogilvy Thornhill

    We all know most of our troops are doing the best they can. I hope we all support them. There will, unfortunately, be foul ups like this. I hope we all also support fully investigating them and taking the action required to discipline those who break the law. It would be a disservice to the majority of our law-abiding troops to turn away from alleged misconduct of such magnitude. If we want honor for all then we have to live up to a standard which includes policing ourselves.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Chris

    Hashish didn't turn these guys into killers. It has nothing to do with this story, other than that they weren't supposed to be smoking it. Gee, I wonder how many of our soldiers ARE smoking it right now. A lot, I bet.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Mark

    And this just what leaked!!! God only knows what's happening. We even tried to shut Wikileak so that we don't get glimpses of what is really going on. Are we fighting Evil ? really ? or fighting for power in the world so that we get the resources that we need and sell as much weapons to the countries where we started the mess as we can...yeah that's how the Tea party envisions creating jobs ( start a war then sell weapons and steal the black goald to expend your economy...scare people then let them pay for protection and destroy their lands then get paid for building em back up)...Go Tea Party go....All for Palin for more destruction in the world....Because Evil can only be defeated with Evil , I guess!!!

    September 27, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tod

      YOU GOT IT! Resources!! This is the only reason we are there. We are the army for the rich and powerful, time to turn on those that value money more than life! wake up soldiers, you are being used to increase the wealth of the ones in power and make them more powerful. I am happy about one thing, even the richest A..holes die. Maybe if the richest die off we can have a better world.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Swell

    Just looking at the kid's eyes you could tell he is a liar. He is a total sociopath. I only blame the military for finding him fit to serve in the army. I am the same age as this kid but i know right from wrong. I dont care if the freaking secretary of defense has a gun to my head telling me to throw a grenade I sure as hell wouldn't throw it at unarmed civilians. I think this isn't the first time he has had this incident and the military didn't know what to do with him he is a threat to everyone around him.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Greg

    illistrates my argument that the USA is not a "christian" country – atheist!

    September 27, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Roberto Applesauce

      Having recently moved to the bible-belt South, I've found over and over again that the more "Christian" these prople pretend to be the more backward, intolerant, gun-loving and ignornant they tend to be. Plus, if they are dealing with people they dont know or understand (like gays or non-Christians) they act totally the OPPOSITE of Christian.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
  24. HPN

    I am surprised this got out. Gland it did and hope appropriate swift action is taken. This does not appear to be a case of being unsure who the enemy was, but rather a simple act of cold premeditated murder. The highest ranking person involved should get death without all this 20 years of appeals crap, those below him should get life with out parole to life with parole depending on how much they were influenced but those above them. An example should be set ASAP for our soldiers and the citizens of Afg. These soldiers are an embarrassment to themselves, their families, the United States, and humans as a whole. I have no sympathy for them at all. No more cover ups and taps on the wrist like Viet Nam.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chandler

      I am sure you would have a different viewpoint if your father or husband or sister, mother would have gotten killed in a retaliation attack for this incident. It was a disgrace, but it should be delt with in a harsh manner, and that is it. It should NOT be broadcasted by our OWN media for the world to see. It no doubt does (NOT DO) wonders for our already struggling (at best) reputation in the Arab world. PATHETIC THAT CNN REPORTS THIS......They just want to give people a story to run with...Typical but DISGUSTING

      September 28, 2010 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bob Griffin

        And you don't think that the Moslems might have their own news stories about this?

        September 28, 2010 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
  25. eekthecat13

    Signing up all the highschool dropouts to fight a decade long war against the Boogie Man, then becoming enraged when they start offing civilians for fun (since we can't ever seem to find that darn Boogie Man)... Seems to me someone let a stray dog into their yard, and is complaining about the "presents" uncivilized animals tend to leave behind

    September 27, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Boston

    Can't say I'm shocked of this disturbing report. We call them terrorists, Islamists and Jihadists, then we turn around and do this. Talk about leading by example.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      If You fight a war You fight it the way Your Enemy fights it!!! Otherwise You will lose the war... They do not fight fair so why should We???

      September 30, 2010 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Ariana an Afghan-Americans, I feel like my heart has been ripped out 😦

    September 27, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Donna

    After McChrystal was ousted, and I'm sure he told the Pres exactly what was going on over there. They made sure he was gone, and now look at what is going on over there,,,,,,,,,,,,

    September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • garc

      Yes, I'm SURE that's it. After McChrystal got through telling ROLLING freakin' STONE what was "going on", he called these guys and told them to go to town on innocent civilians. No wait–Obama sent these guys a secret memo first.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Rock God

    We are worse than terrorists.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      You are worse than a Idiot!!!

      September 30, 2010 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Chris

    So...we ARE back in Vietnam.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      We learned a lot from the Vietnam War!!! When You fighting A Enemy that doesn't wear uniforms like We do You have no choice that fight it Their way...

      September 30, 2010 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Paden

    I was thinking about what you said PP and ive decided, I'd rather be a right wing nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Aikidoka

    This is all too common and it usually goes unpunished. Look at what happened with those soldiers in Colorado. They massacred civilians in Afghanistan, came back home and did the same thing here. We justify and glorify war when we should really be condemning it.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  33. renjikuchiki1

    this is what happens when you let an army run rampant where they aren't wanted....
    if the Soviet Union couldn't defeat the Afghans, what makes us think we can? we need to pull out now and stop the innocent bloodshed our presence brings these poor people

    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • MartinSA

      oh, please. this isn't even enough of a representation to make a valid scientific generalization for analysis. it's about the same as equating all Afghanistan people with the Taliban. It's just plain irresponsible and hyperbole.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Nick San Diego

    Well, do we need any more reasons to just get the hell out of that area. We stay, then we had better brace ourselves for another 911 ++++.
    If we were on the other side, what would we do. Just think about that. Probabaly kill, kill revenge and more revenge.
    the Pentagon had better listen to Obama (Woodward book) and back off all this military s–t

    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Geoff Robertson

    I just hope they get a fair and unbiased trial before anyone condemns them.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Jeff

    Liberals are gleeful this tape was released. "Oh look, something that makes America look bad, isn't this great. Maybe a few more U.S. soldiers will be killed as a result of this tape. We need as many people to see it as possible," says a mouth breathing liberal piece of trash.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Indy Mary

      The only mouth breather I see on here is you. See, isn't it fun to be called names, just like when we were in kindergarten?

      September 27, 2010 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • SewingMachine

      Wow...sticking up for terrorizing murderers whom you apparently prefer over "liberal", fellow countrymen. Quite a statement there Jeff.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  37. AJ

    Afghan citizens are some of the most peaceful, generous and hospitable people on earth. It is amazing how they have remained so through all the violence & unrest. This crime is absolutely abominable. There needs to be a swift trial and highly publicized, swift death sentences. That will deter this from happening again and it might re-earn just a little respect from Afghan citizens.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Nick

    That's what happens when they recruit the wrong men based on "no criminal background" kids rather than determining their best IQ level.
    I dearly wanted to join and serve U.S. Army. I was denied entry due to my spousal misdemeanor charge in my background record. I am a changed, matured, and want to fight for this country. But I was not allowed. I just wish they will recruit not kids like kiddie (ages 18-30), but mature in thoughts and behaviours.
    Good luck!
    US troops in abroad.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
  39. GettingAlong

    Dismantle the US military – the greatest danger to humanity. Then, maybe the Israeli military – the stupid "preemptive strike" hooligans.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      I hate to tell You but Israel has the Best Military in the World!!!

      September 30, 2010 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
  40. GMAN

    So what is the real reason that the rest of the world hates the US?

    September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
  41. 88mphh

    This makes me sick. We should do more pyschological evaluation of our troops before giving them a weapon. These guys are a disgrace to everything the miltary is trying to do and stand for – Help People.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Berewick NC

    What else would you expect! These "freedom fighters" are a bunch of murderers that join the military to have an excuse to kill and not go to jail.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      Your comment certainly rings true,Berewick.Thank you.

      September 28, 2010 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      Sure these men are not fighting for the freedoms that we Americans here enjoy and may have not joined the armed forces for the right reasons but the majority of our troops are there to help the Afghan people to be rid of the terrorist regime called the Taliban along with dismantling al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in the area and we along with all the civilized world need to do all we can to stop these maniac murderers! The person above this comment was not me!

      September 28, 2010 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
  43. crommish

    One more reason to end this war...and don't give me the standard "isolated incident" reply. This is a no win war that is ruining our country and our people.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
  44. RightWinger

    Realities of war, heros protecting our freedom, smoking hash... I call B.S. No one is protecting our freedom. These armed men and women are being sent to a country we don't belong in and are doing noting to protect anything from anyone. They are not heros... WWII vets are heros, get that straight. And tough luck that your buddy got blown up. He volunteered to go into the militrary and get brain washed by our leadership (bush/obama/cheney/senate/etc...) And as far as Hash... No amount of hash will turn a normal human being into a murderer. Either you're not stable and out to kill for no reason or you're stable. Gotta love the USA, home of the police state, and nothing else. Freedom left this place a long time ago.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • MartinSA

      wasn't just marijuana. it was also prescription drugs. the combination can be very hindering towards an individual's decision making process. the fact that they chose to take both to begin with is more telling than anything else.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      That's the most sensible comment I've seen yet.Thank you.RightWinger.

      September 28, 2010 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
  45. WHoney

    Its Vietnam all over again. The difference this time is there are no americans who have the gall to stand together and stand up to the deception of our government. And the ones who do are ransacked by the FBI and labeled terrorists. While our soldiers over there are torturing who they went to fight for. We didnt even know for sure what terrorist group bombed us. Bush and his buddies threw out some ideas and we said "Go get em!" Because we're such narcasist (America) we just wanted to get someone back. On top of the sense of invincibility we've acquired, we all act like we dont have time to focus on whats really going on in our nation. Or we pretend the problem doesnt exist. People, please watch the news, listen to your conscience, swallow your pride then ask yourself, "What is America coming to?" If there really is a "War on Terror" then we should consider ourselves on that list.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
  46. GettingAlong

    They're all the same. Just saying I'll end the war and not doing it ...

    September 27, 2010 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Zamiel Crow

      You're an idiot.

      I hated Bush, but he was nothing like Pol Pot or Hitler or Lenin. Neither is Obama.

      You should maybe learn about history– like actually read some books that weren't written by nutjobs– before you try to have a political conversation.

      'Or maybe just grow up and stop being such a melodramatic child.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Pat

    Somebody flag down the golf cart so we can ask the president for a comment. This is not a surprise at all. War is about the wealthy elite sending the young people they own to war to kill people and serve their interests. Things like this happen in every war.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
  48. ALi

    "Winning hearts and minds". my a$$. Laugh out loud

    September 27, 2010 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
  49. pitt8724

    This is appalling. I am a member of the U.S. Armed Forces and I can not comprehend or begin to fatham what would posses these individuals to act in such a dishonorable manner. I see post on here about why doesn't CNN report the good that the service men and women do and why do they focus on the bad. If we didn't have individuals highlighting the U.S. Armed Forces in this manner, CNN would not have a story. This is the media, they focus on stories that will lure attention from the general public and stories like this, sadly, generate the most attention. It only takes the stupidity of a few to spoil the heroics of thousands.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • mtmyers1

      Read Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness," watch Coppola's "Apocalypse Now," and then maybe revisit this story.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:38 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Semper Fi don't hide

    Does CNN ever wait for the truth before the rumor. This is BS. CNN is Al Jazerra West

    September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nick San Diego

      Thats it, just bury your head in the sand and tell me that God is on your side. Moron

      September 27, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • mtmyers1

      Ummm, it's a VIDEOTAPED interview dearie. See the soldier's lips moving and sound coming out? That is what makes it NOT a rumor. I understand your confusion, just thought I'd help you out there partner. Go team.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chandler

      I agree.....pathetic reporting....I used to watch CNn every day before today...not anymore...

      September 28, 2010 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |
  51. john

    We send these soldiers into battle at age 18, implement stop loss programs to make sure they serve atleast 3 tours, send them into a battle with their hands tied behind they're back with the most restrictive rules of engagement likely ever used in war and a battle in which there is often little distinction between the civilian population and the Taliban and then Americans are "shocked, horrified and disturbed" when a few soldiers kill a few civilians. It's war. It happens all of the time. That's why a country shouldn't go to war unless it absolutely needs to. Because it's ugly and no solider that experienced combat ever gets out with their soul intact. Then our high and mighty leaders put these young men who fought for this country on the stake because to not do so would represent a public relations disaster for the US with the Muslim world.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • SewingMachine

      Still no excuse for "killing for sport".

      September 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • MartinSA

        exactly. these guys are the exception–not the rule. they are barely a percentage in comparison to the total number of troops we have in the area.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Allan

    I know that we have freedom of the press hpwever, I do not think that "CNN" is thinking about the lives of the other service members who are yet trying to win a war in Afghanistan ... This is very stupid and reckless for CNN to air this tape or any other "MEDIA" risking Amreican's lives to sell thier story or for Money whichever it is it is plain Stupid and reckless...

    September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob Griffin

      If you think the Afghans are more likely to hear about this from CNN than from local word-of-mouth...

      September 28, 2010 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Mike

    way to go army. its been thought that the army has been getting more and more lax to the point of utter disgustingness. this just proves what all the other branches have been thinking.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
  54. mattmchugh

    Put enough human beings with weaponry together, and eventually something bad like this will happen, guaranteed. The question is: Is enough good likely to be accomplished to outweigh the harm caused by such incidents? Personally, I tend to think so, but it's something that only history will reveal for certain.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • WHoney

      I could not agree more Matt, and I respect pitts post too. Your are both right in my opinion. No not all soldiers are acting barbaric, and war is war. There will be killing, and for the people who say these kind of stories are "bs" WAKE UP!!! Jesus are there really people who think that a US Soldier isnt capable of committing such crimes? And what good side?? There is no good side of war. Everyone whos involved is fighting for what they believe in. Who is to say what side is right and which is wrong? I think its just a short matter of time before this country has a rude awakening. How are we gonna feel when foreign soldiers come on to our homeland? We are going to get the same cruel treatment. I for one will accept it as the fate we sealed for ourselves. Just as JFK said, we ARE NOT doing our job as a country....Why are we fighting all these wars when theres soo much that needs to be done here, right at home. CANADA HERE I COME!

      September 27, 2010 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
  55. MartinSA

    Here's something to consider...many of the statements posted seem to generalize these examples as the norm, despite these cases fit into less than 1% of the military population in Afghanistan. I'm not saying it's not tragic or wrong (because it is), just placing things in perspective.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
  56. USA#1

    If you haven't been in war or in combat no one can even begin what these guys see everday and endure,so its hard to say what was going through thre heads when they did this....only they will know and god will sort them out in the end...

    September 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Nads

    People label all muslim as evil cause of acts of few. So why are they not labeling all christian soldiers bad for doing this. Wake up people understand that there are good and bad people in every religion. Muslim, jews and christians are all from the same abrahamic family. Lets learn to live in peace with each other. Do to others what you would wish for yourself.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Al H.

      I agree Nads. We have seen many on here condemn these barbaric acts and call for justice. Shame on those who confuse supporting our troops with supporting the crazy actions of a few. But I can't get the image out of my head, when, soon after 9/11, there were thousands of Muslims celebrating and dancing in the streets over the death of thousands of innocent people. Where was the outrage in the Muslim world over this barbarism? There was, but not much. But likewise, we who call ourselves civilized, should be just as outraged at the killing of an unarmed man. They should be tried and punished to the full extent of the law, just as the perpetrators of 9/11. One difference I see though – I'm confident our Gov't will follow through on what needs to be done to bring these soldiers to justice. I haven't seen the same result against terrorists who would seek to do us harm. They are mostly protected by their governments. That's why we are going after them, and making more enemies in the process.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bob Griffin

        Most of the terrorists who have acted against the US have also been opposed to their own governments. Al Qaeda was not an Afghan organization; its leading members wanted to overthrow the governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
        As to the Taliban - look back to Kansas and Missouri during the American Civil War, when the various factions were all from the same ethnic/religious background.

        September 28, 2010 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
  58. eekthecat13

    It is tragic and unfortunate, but this is what war is.. the rich and powerful always try to dress it up in fine and glorious garb so you dont revolt at the fact that, it is YOU who may need to fight for them next. If war were pretty and neat, i wonder whom on this board would be waging it most?

    September 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
  59. JOEY would be nice talking about their service but in reality you cant just look at the good things done...I say tell the truth no-matter what...

    September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |

    It is sad, but most of our military personnel know the U.S. government has them fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan for the wealthy, the corporations, the bankers, etc. and not to protect Americans hear in the U.S. Corrupt politicians, corporations, bankers, etc. lead to the moral degeneration of the population and its military personnel.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
  61. wavejr

    I am saddened by this story, true as it may be. I am however glad to live in a country that will pursue the failings of it's military and personnel with fairness and that it will administer justice where justice is due. This cannot be said of many countryies in this world. On a second note to CNN editors, where is your publication regarding the Obama Administration seeking to make it legal to tap into social networking sites. Reminiscent of the "legal" phone tapping abilities espoused by the Bush administration. This story is all over the internet and 12 hours old. C'mon CNN, get on your horse!

    September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Mr. Davidson

    So,what else is new. this has been going on since Iraq ,and these guys are just the ones they caught.What do you think the drones are doing ,drones are killing innocent families in Afganistan Pakistan ect. today,drones are just twice removed from exposure,sanctioned by the CIA yada yada yada.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
  63. KT

    This is not an isolated event. This happens more than you'd like to think. I've talked to several guys who did similar things. Most of which are living with issues now that they are home. Killing for any reason changes most people. They get cold to it and everyone becomes less than human. Couple that with the rules of engagement they have and these soldiers get paranoid and shoot people for dubious reasons. I'm not sure what the answer is. War is terrible and people do terrible things. With the 24/7 coverage now we hear everything. I'm sure this isn't a new issue.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Karen Ellison

    Bob Woodward's new book portrays Obama as ineffective and indecisive regarding Afghanistan. Mr. President, as you promised us over and over again during the campaign, please END THIS WAR.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • griz5106

      Obama never promised to end the Afghan war during his campaign. He promised to draw down in Iraq, which he did, and escalate the Afghan conflict.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
  65. disgusted

    Is time america and israel be put thru the international court of law for abuse and against Geneva convention

    September 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Dave Templeton

    War zones are called that for a reason. They are not positioned for the convenience of reporters to give daily broadcasts and ridicule the troops. If your don't support the troops, stop reporting and hang out in front of Lindsay Lohan's house.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Indy Mary

      Supporting our soldiers and supporting the war are two different things.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mary

        I did not see anything anywhere confirming the use of drugs of by our soldiers. Only the so called self serving statements. What kind of self respecting journalist relies upon that? None, at least not in my would have verified through 2 or 3 seperate sources where the drugs were coming in from...not just who was using them. You would get actual physical proof of the of the trasaction...we are now capable of of tiny button camera's...right now all we have is a lot of self serving statements and no proof.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
  67. Mark

    pp, seriously... The Tea Party is not for war. That is the stupidest thing I've ready this morning. I consider myself part of this movement. We are for SMALLER government. Government is out of control. It spends far more money then what comes in. You spend more money then you make? How far does that get you? Our debt is close to $40,000 for every citizen in this country. Our grand children will be paing this debt back. That assumes congress STOPS spending money they don't have.

    As for this war, Afghanistan is full of people that would kill you in a heart beat. Be glad their are men and women far braver then you that are willing to go over there and make sure these people don't come here.

    As for this story, I too am sick of the news pointing out what .0001% of our troops are doing. As a retired soldier, I'm very proud of my brothers and sisters. They continue to do an outstanding job in a very difficult and dangerous place.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • john

      You would be wise to not use the word "stupidest" in the first line of your entry when your argument is that Tea party members are not the "most stupid" people out there.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mary

      I totallly agree. I am so tired of the mainstream media's anti-war coverage and any chance they get to make the military look bad. We don't even know if this is a story being completely fabricated we are not privelaged to any one of these interrogations from start to finish. We are not privelage to the intelligence material that led these soldiers to these so called civilains. After all, our enemy over there dresses like the civilians do. I hate propaganda of any kind and this so called story is so clearly propaganda. I miss the days of true reporting...without shadding the story with your own political views....when journalist were really journalists. What passes for journalists now any idiot can do.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Arjun

        so how would true reporters report on this issue?

        why do i get the feeling you would suggest, "by not writing anything at all?"

        propaganda is as much what you leave out of the story as what you put in it.

        September 27, 2010 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • garc

      Read your own platform. If not government, who is going to fund your increased defense/military spending to protect us from "Russia" (what a joke), et. al.? Nobody ever answers that one.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Arjun

      I thought the US held itself to a higher standard than the forces we are fighting. That includes reporting on murders committed by US servicemen against unarmed innocent civilians. I'm sure if the war was on our home soil, and an invading military force decided to blow your family's brains out for no reason whatsoever, you would want to say something about it.

      The story simply reports on what happened because the innocent murder victims of these out of control soldiers have no voice to let the outside world know what they suffered. No amount of 'trauma' that the soldiers suffered excuse murder. They reflect poorly on the US, and the nation should let the rest of the world know what we think about murderers in the ranks of our own military.

      September 27, 2010 at 6:10 pm | Report abuse |
  68. mastersam2000

    These sociopaths should get the death penalty, but we know better no American soldier ever tried and sentences to death for war crimes(at least i did not). the world would have better view of the American military courts and it will serve as deterrent for the other killers.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      How can You try People for doing a Job They are trained to do??? You have to fight Your Enemy the way Your Enemy fights You!!!

      September 30, 2010 at 10:57 pm | Report abuse |
  69. GettingAlong

    It's about time that we don't only try foreign leaders whom we hate for war crimes but some of our own, too. Any one can say that I didn't give this or that specific command, but other countries' leaders are held responsible for the doings of their soldiers. Send Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld to jail for a good start.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Amen To That!!!

      September 30, 2010 at 10:54 pm | Report abuse |
  70. EternalBliss

    Having the power in your hands to take another life... should be the "illegal drug" in question here..

    September 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • RMG1008

      Your freedom to speak was paid for by the blood of soldiers who defended that freedom... Your freedom to be a pacifist and have fringe views is because people fought and died. grow up.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        Our freedom wasn't purchased by people killing innocent civilians for sport.

        September 27, 2010 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bob Griffin

        As a descendant of men who fought the British in the American Revolution, I agree that the freedom to say and write this stuff was bought by soldiers, mostly citizen-soldiers rather than professionals. However that freedom was bought over 200 years ago, and secured again in 1812. The US has been spared defensive wars since then.

        September 28, 2010 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      The Officers should make sure that the Troops are kept drug free!!! Otherwise what happens can not be blames on Those fighting there... It seems like They want Our Troops drug up So that They will be able to fight the Enemy we have today!!!

      September 30, 2010 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Scott in Atlanta

    This can't be true!!! American soilders killing civilians, and air rading villages... Shawn Hannity said this could never happen!!! It's just liberal spin. They must be liberal soilders in disguise to look like real soilders in order to make the conservative war mongers look bad. like all those imposters at the Tea Party rally with the "Obama is Hitler" signs... Of course they're not real Tea partiers... Just plants from the liberal left to make the Tea Party look racist... ummm hmmmmmm, riiiiight...

    September 27, 2010 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |

      For those who think this is not true and can't happen, WAKE UP

      September 27, 2010 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
  72. A

    A disgrace to the 99.999% of US service members who serve with dignity and professionalism.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
  73. EternalBliss

    Not too mention that these young minds of the soldiers will also never be the same... and of course that is far from the worst issue here of the whole scenario.. but the fact remains.. Nothing Good really results from WAR...and in truth any argument counter.. is really narrow sighted or a tightly focused benefit relative to time or a single group of ppl involved.. but overall .. considering Humanity globally.. .War only causes more distinctions and differences.. and hence only more conflict.. and more damage to everyone involved..

    September 27, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • RMG1008

      This is naive

      September 27, 2010 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • garc

        I used to agree with you, but not anymore. We are talking about desperately poor people trying to get by any way they can. They also have no access to international media. They are ultimately going to side with people who promise and at least sometimes deliver on food, shelter, jobs, etc. If such a group of people actually only SEE Americans shooting their friends and family for sport–or making promises that don't come about-or whole families accidentally blown away–versus being able to survive (albeit miserably) with another group in power, they're going to choose that second group for purely practical reasons. The only way long term to keep groups of very poor Muslims in dangerous countries from turning extremist is to get them exposure to education and other points of view and improve their lives, not destroy them. But I can't see America doing that.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Is anyone the same even after They get out of College is different!!! Those of Us that were in the Military is a lot better from the experience of being in it... You People have to adjust to How we are so that Everyone involved has a even chance!!! You might not know what We went through... But You must be a to figure it couldn't have been Easy on Those that served!!!

      September 30, 2010 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
  74. J C

    Please use the correct term for the Staff NCO charged in the conspiracy. He is not a commanding officer – he is a platoon level Staff NCO – a squad or section leader.

    Commanding officers are commisioned military officers who derive thier power directly from the soverign nation to whom they are sworn. In the United States they are commisioned Officers and Genltemen by an act of the United States Congress.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      You are comparing Our Military Officers to Our Congress Men!!! Are Military Officer are Noncom are 10 times better than any Congress!!! Because They are fighting to make the Country better... The Congress Today is out for what They can get while in Office...

      September 30, 2010 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
  75. STLrose

    The U.S. military (all factions) breaks an individual down to his/her most elemental level then rebuilds, redefines and reprograms them to fill whatever role the service intends for that person. In most cases, this creates well-rounded, well-trained well-prepared personnel. For some, the result is an individual so far removed from their own humanity or morality that all bets are off and any behavior is possible in the right environment. At that point, the upper levels of authority wash their hands of the Frankenstein they created and encourage the court martial process to take over and deal with them.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Al H.

      STLrose, your comments are right on. War is always ugly, and with what the US military has to do to accomplish it's purposes, there is bound to be some 'collateral damage'. This includes some soldiers going beyond what they are trained to do, like in this case. This also includes soldiers coming home all screwed up for life. (alcoholism, drug abuse, screwed up relationships) I'm afraid the war on terror has helped to incite more hatred for the US than ever. This type of incident will, justifiably, increase the number of people who would like to see the US utterly destroyed. War on terror = much more terrorists to fight.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Do You really think that You send People there to fight that They will stay the way They were before They got there??? If They did They wouldn't last very long!!! You either kill are be killed when Your there... The only one You can depend on is Your Brothers fighting with You...

      September 30, 2010 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Randy

    And when the same animals that do this come back home, they'll be waiting at a park near you.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Jeff

    And these are just the ones the public finds out about. Or the ones that get caught.

    These types of people have no business being on this planet.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Those that train to fight has more right to be on This Planet than Idiots like You!!!

      September 30, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  78. LiberalNN

    Drug use and killing civilians. Like Vietnam in the 1970s.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Clint, Wa.

    You don't think this kind of stuff didn't go on in Vietnam, or other wars, think again. Only difference, the media didn't have instant access back then.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Is that why when We got home from Vietnam They called Us Baby Killers??? You think By Now Civilians would have learned that War is hell!!!

      September 30, 2010 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
  80. ks

    Sounds no different than other wars, young men and women put in difficult situations and not having the correct tools to do their job. Seeing death and distruction day in day out.

    September 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Indy Mary

    How can we possibly be seen as an example for the Afghans to strive for when we behave no better than the Taliban? Disgusting. We shouldn't even be in that country, as far as I and a lot of other Americans are concerned, then we use civilians for target practice? The chain of command obviously broke down somewhere.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Do You really think You can stay Civilized when Your fighting Someone that isn't fighting fair in the first place??? Why Your fighting a Wild Animal you don't fight them with Your fist!!! So how can You expect to fight Someone that doesn't fight fair against them???

      September 30, 2010 at 10:18 pm | Report abuse |
  82. bailoutsos

    "Pentagon destroys thousands of copies of Army officer's memoir' - I wonder why?

    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
  83. reality check

    When the job description is for a "military soldier", it's obvious that the applicants would be not only attracted to war, but to combat and the inevitable: death. And it is unrealistic to believe that no immoral or unbalanced people would apply. That would be like expecting no body thrashing or injuries in a job like "football player". There are going to be some applicants who like the idea more than others and who act out on those predilections.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      You sure can tell when the People haven't been in the Military??? Because They teach You in Basic Training how to defend Yourself!!! So when You go fight in the war You either Do what your trained to do are die...

      September 30, 2010 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
  84. A Veteran

    Does not surprise me, it does however bother me and make me wonder about the stress levels these young kids are under with multiple deployments into "nation building" that we were promised would never ever occur again. Either fight a war to victory or don't get involved in the first place. There is no such thing as a PC war, nor is there much compassion left when one does not know who the enemy is. I also concerns me with the comments made about the unit not being trained for the type of warfare they are now engaged in, if they are not trained for this type of warfare then they are not combat ready and should not have been deployed to engage in this type of mission.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |

      A VETERAN--this is not the toll of war, if it didn't happen overseas these half wits would be murdering people here...your either a murderer or not a good guy or not...a miliary uniform does not change who you are inside., nor does the " stress of war"

      September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • nvrundrstand

        Mohammed-why don't you don a uniform and go to afghanistan and report back on what the 'stresses of war" have no idea...your ignorance strengthens my resolve to continue to serve. I continue to reenlist not only to defend and preserve my country, but under the belief that I know that some of those I swore to protect no nothing of the reality of the world and the type of people in it. drink some more starbucks and continue your journey to carple tunnel....idiot.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        That is not true... Because there are so many of us here now and We aren't killing People now!!! It is a sorry thing when You People don't respect Us for what We went through to keep you free... For some reason You think Your better than We are!!! Will I hate to tell You... We are better than You because of what We have gone through!!!

        September 30, 2010 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Army Vietnam vet and retired Coast Guardsman

      I have to agree with everything you said. We aren't doing these Soldiers and Marines any favor by putting them in harms way without the training. If we can't identify the enemy, then sometimes innocent people get hurt or killed. I am not sure that additional training to identify Taliban targets or changing the Rules of Engagement would help the situation and would probably cause a drop in troop morale and increased casualites on our troops. We can afford neither. I believe it is time to cut our losses and come home to regroup. The Afganistan government is corrupt and untrustworthy and doesn't want us in the country except to prop up a corrupt government. Kind of like South Vietnam was back in the day...don't prosecute troops for descisions made under fire in the may not like the results and it will definitely affect troop morale. and sap support for those troops on the home front.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lucy

        I don't see anywhere in this story that the soldiers may have mistaken their victims for Taliban or other enemy combatant. In fact, it seems clear from the testimony that they killed these civilians for fun and not because they presented any danger. They ended these poor people's life because they saw as no more worthy as an animal some people hunt for pleasure.

        That seems to be the disturbing picture. Excusing these soldiers behavior is highly insulting to the great majority of people in our armed forces who are honorable and don't commit such atrocities.

        September 27, 2010 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        How do you expect Them to train You for the kind of fighting that is going on there??? Please tell Us how You can train People to know Your Enemy when They look like any Other People there???

        September 30, 2010 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lucy

      I'm not sure what "fighting a war to victory" means to you, but I fail to see how it relates to the crime these soldiers have been charged with. Regardless of how this war is being fought, there's no excusing these "kids" for going about killing innocent civilians for sport, in my view.

      September 27, 2010 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        It would be nice if You knew who wants to kill You and Who doesn't!!! But when You have People coming at You to kill You that looks innocent... You have one of two choices... Kill are be killed!!!

        September 30, 2010 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Mike

    I find all of this hard to believe, just like CNN's Pope story, anything to destroy Christians and Americans. And everything to build up Muslims. How sad this network is.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Indy Mary

      Paranoid much?

      September 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      I thought Christians were Americans??? But I guess There are Christians and then the rest of us right??? We are Lower Class People to You???

      September 30, 2010 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
  86. EternalBliss

    Why is this shocking?!?!? The thirst for blood.. war.. in itself is a drug.. and what would really expect from a generation of teens raised on the influx of random violence in movies and video games... you cannot expect that all of them are going to be perfect soldiers.. this type of thing will always happen when in war and especially when you are talking about war in the terms of numbers of soldiers that exist in modern war efforts... think about it.. its extremely difficult to have even 1 high school where lets say 95% of the young ppl always follow the rules perfectly... now.. take 100,000 young minds, mostly with high levels of testosterone, and now arm them with the latest in military technology.. and throw them into a lawless env... hmmmm?!?!?!? hence.. WAR IS BAD ALWAYS!!!! ... unless of course your highest priority is $$$ profit...

    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Some Dude

    I find it disturbing that when these sad things happen it's always because of "illegal drugs" or something like that. Yeah, right...

    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • xactomundo

      It's OK dude... you are safe on your don't have to rationalize the bong hit you just pulled...

      September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Kambiz

    My heart goes to my poor people, this is very unfortunate that this country wants to help but some really can't stand for this country. I wonder once they come back home if they will be a good citizens. Most of them are denger to public as I assume.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      At least today they can get help to work through it... Those that fought in Vietnam it took 50ty years to get the help!!! Us Old Veterans are there to watch out for the New Ones...

      September 30, 2010 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
  89. ArmyWife

    This just sickens me. The actions of these little boys puts men like my own soldier in greater danger. It fuels the fire of the insurgents they are supposed to be fighting. Not to mention that we're supposed to be helping the locals become safer from groups who do things just like this to them.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • eekthecat13

      Not to mention it fuels the just anger of the people against an unjust war..

      September 27, 2010 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sgt.unknown

      ArmyWife, You have no clue what your soilder does when you are sleeping in your warm bed hugging your teddy bear with his picture on it. This is war, and soilders give there life for this country and unfortunitly sometimes this means it gets the best of them too. They are put in elements the human body and mind don't know how to deal with. So be careful with how you comment about your soilder, because you have no clue what OUR soliders go through or how they deal with the trama. sincerly SGT. Unknown

      September 27, 2010 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • GBS

        It is a good thing that you are unknown. Being known would be a disgrace to anyone who knows you. Why are you unknown? Hiding from the bad guys? Gone AWOL?

        September 27, 2010 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chris R

        Sgt. It doesn't matter what sort of conditions they face. There are some actions that are inexcusable. The unlawful killing of another human being, even in the time of war, is expressly against the UCMJ. These men, if guilty, would be a disgrace to the proud tradition of the military and to the flag for which they fight.

        September 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        That is because those that fault only talk with Others about what They went trough... Because the rest of You couldn't understand what They went through!!!

        September 30, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Brad

    Notice the absence of Marines. The disciplined Marines.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • RLP

      You're not serious are you Brad? There are bad people everywhere and in each branch of the service. Marines are not exempt.

      September 27, 2010 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      It is really something when the Marines get all the credit for fighting the wars!!! But if anything goes wrong the Army gets blamed for it...

      September 30, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
  91. Expected

    Until you have faced the horrors of war it is unbelievably self-righteous to sit on your computer without understanding the rigors of war what is the "norm".

    After you see friend after friend blown to bits you get a little more hardened and a little less compassionate......

    It is not to say this behavior should be accepted, it is simply a reality of war and honestly our troops do a wonderful job of putting their lives on the line for others every day. They risk having their children grow up without a father or mother. They watch friend die and families destroyed. They watch innocent people lose their life. That is war and it is necessary. It is too easy to sit in your nice comfortable home and not realize that world is a scary and ugly place and these guys protect us daily. Often times war simply breaks a man or woman......

    September 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Frankly speaking..

      People like you disgust me. Its like Hitler's army who kept telling themselves that all murders were justified. I see no difference between people like you and them. Keep lying to yourself but your deception fools none but demented people like you.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • nvrundrstand

        Frankly...I believe what he was saying is that it is not accepted but expected. I am sure that you have not served in war nor have seen the terrible things that it causes. Nevermind the death toll, but the emotional toll as well on those that served. Now, it is not acceptable to murder, BUT if these guys were under psychological stressors due to combat and seeking out drugs to forget the terrible things they have seen and done, then I can see where they could go wrong. Also to note, if that was the case, then the military dropped the ball by not evaluating the troops on a regular basis as to there emotional well-being. I have seen combat, death and what it does to a man. It surely isn't right that they murdered those civilians, but I understand how these things could happen. You obviously do not....and to refer to this man as "Hitler" in anyway just shows your ignorance to war. It is because of people like him and I that you can stand on your virtual soapbox and spew your garbage to the rest of us. Your welcome.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        nvrundrstand – where did Expected say that *he* had ever served???

        He didn't.

        And where did Frankly speaking call Expected "Hitler"???

        He didn't.

        So give us a break with the unfounded criticism, OK?

        September 27, 2010 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        It is one thing having to defend yourself and murdering Million of Innocent People like Hitler did!!! If Our Enemy would fight the war like We fought in WWII less innocent People would be killed... But We have no choice how We will fight Our Wars do We???

        September 30, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • dtzulu

      The first thing we were told when we enlisted, was that "We were not drafted." So, therefore if your can't cut it, then see somebody and get out! It's plain to see that these solders were mentally unstable. No matter what they had seen happen to their fellow solders, that it up with the enemy solders, not unarmed civilians.....

      September 27, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        How many of these unarmed civilians came along and Blow up Our Military??? Please tell Me how You can tell the difference there??? It is easy to say what to do when it isn't Your life that can't be taken!!!

        September 30, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • FrankR

      Lot's of these soldiers volunteer for other reasons.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
  92. MedStudent

    It's murder any way you look at it.

    They should get life in prison at the least.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Daveinla.

      You ever worn a uniform , carried a rifle and stood a post? Ever stood-up to defend this nation that has given you so much? No. You are more than likely the type to sit back and criticize the way the US military protects you on a daily basis.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • ani pereira

        the us military proctets us from what? life is about being vulnerable. total protection is a delusion. only an American person can think the opposite. silly people!

        September 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Name*lisa

        How are they "protecting" us? Murder is murder. No matter who commits it. You'd get the death penalty for blowing up US civilians with a grenade. Should be the same for this case if the facts are as firm as they seem. This war is crap. Always has been. Sadam needed out due to his slaugter of innocents. Can't help but think there would've been a better and QUICKER way.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • mkmChicago

        Yep, I wore the uniform and unit patch of the 1st/75th Airborne Ranger Infantry, along with jump wings and a Ranger tab. And I say without hesitation, men who commit crimes such as this under the color of the USA flag are murderers. Who deserve a lifetime in prison, just like any other murderers.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • GBS

        I never killed anyone either. How about you? You ever kill and unarmed man in clod blood?

        September 27, 2010 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • MedStudent

      those murdering dogs didn't protect me from anything. they slaughtered innocent civilians for sport.

      How are unarmed innocent civilian sport murders saving anyone?

      go back to your trailer redneck.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |

        I AGREE MEDSTUDENT.....these people will never learn...tsk tsk

        September 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Frankly speaking..

        They killed the "mozlems" and i think thats all i care..why ? I dont know..I am just another inbred brainwashed stupid american who stands firmly against reasoning..period!

        September 27, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • bestglenn

      Maybe Afghanistan should deport all the illegal aliens (US Americans)

      September 27, 2010 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      When Your at war it can't be murder... Because in war it is kill are be killed!!! If You were ever in the Military You would know that...

      September 30, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
  93. MartinSA

    on one hand, I could see the argument for battlestress being responsible. on the other hand, I could also see these guys snapping if they weren't in the military to begin with. already under prescription influence and choosing to compliment that with illegal substances ain't smart no matter how you cut it. i wonder which would have better controls for these individuals.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Kevin

    So, this is how Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid and Gates conduct their war? What incredible hypocracy! Or are they going to blame this on Bush or anyone else who cannot or will not defend themselves? We need to win this war but we must do it without this unacceptable behavior. This makes the Bush-Cheney Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse look like nothing.

    These Demo-rats need to quit blaming everyone else and clean up their own culture of corruption that extends much too far and wide.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • MedStudent

      they're interrogating him...

      how do his actions reflect on the obama administration?

      If they ignored it i'd agree, but he was taken in and will likely be put to military tribunal

      just looking for an excuse to bash the president I guess.

      September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • ArmyWife

      Kevin, I'm not sure how much time you've spent in combat but generally speaking neither the President nor his cabinet are in combat holding the hand of soldiers and making sure they behave. Certainly the GOP couldn't have prevented this either. One would have to know where Afghanistan is located to be able to do any type of hand holding.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • eekthecat13

        you are correct, the answer lies in doing less combat. waging war for decades isnt a career we as a country can afford. I am all for saving jobs and I am certain your husband is not one of these screwed up american kids over there randomly destorying lives, but wouldnt you like him home, next to you... with a job? Because your leaders made some bad decisions, and boy howdy they sure do know how to stick to their guns (excuse the pun).

        September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Indy Mary

      Kevin, that's pretty darned funny. You think we're going to win this war? Have you been in battle in Afghanistan? Do you know the history of Afghanistan? We're wasting our time, money, and a lot of good women and men by sending them there. And both political parties are responsible for this war, but it's pretty easy to tell your true colors.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • jtru

      get over it, Republicans only care about themselves

      September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • mordred

        And the Dems only pretend to care about you. Wake up foo.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      Dude... I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
      That would be like saing that this was a replublican conspiracy becaus ethose service members charged were from red states..or a Tea Party conspiracy under Palin because one was from Wasilla Alaska.
      People do horrible crimes and they have been caught and will be tried. Use your brain.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • War is wrong

      If you read the article these infractions occured 2009 – 2010 at the leadership level and down. I don't think Pelosi, Ried or Obama and their policies could have had much influence here. Just this a partisan article? No it is an article about war and the sad casualties on both sides and some terrible actions taken by young men that are poorly lead. CNN often compliments real heros and great stories on communication between local leaders and our military if they do one article that is negative all the paid blogges chime in "its the democrats fault or Obama did it" Be real people War is wrong the recent two wars may be even more so as we invaded soverng countries that possed no threat all though I concede that the Taliban did pose a Non-immediate threat and therefore I support the incorrect premise that this war is "defensive" to some tiny degree. That being said War is horrible and stories like this need to be told not to "dehumanize or demonize" our soldiers but to Humanize or Demonize war......people die in war, vehicles that cost millions get destroyed, homes, families and governments get torn apart. War is wrong.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • db

        Ya right, tell that to the enemy, to the people that died in the Trade Towers, to the dead at Peal Harbor, to the men at Normady, to the millions who have died to let you flap your gums. If you have not been there, then you have no voice nor vote.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • dtzulu

      So, with your line of thinking (or lack thereof) President Nixon should have been held responsible for the Ma Lie killings?

      September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peter

      Stop this nonsense. Every war has its share of loose cannons soldiers. You don't remember a certain prison under the Bush administration? You think Bush told them to act that way? Or Obama now? You acn't be that much of a team zombie, can you?

      September 27, 2010 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Zamiel Crow

      HA HA! That's so awesome! "Demo-rats"! I see what you did there. You took the "c" out to emphasize the word "rats"! Ha ha! Did you think of that yourself? Because that's just GOLD. It's so funny. It's hilarious. I bet you're really popular, aren't you? With clever lines like that. Are you related to Tennessee Williams or Mark Twain? I think you must be, because you came up with that clever line! It's ssooooooo funny! I'm rolling around laughing at how original and clever it is. It's like an insult, but using the real word. Ha ha ha! I think you should make funny t-shirts or maybe bumper stickers out of that clever twist on a word! You could sell them at Glenn Beck rallies, and you'd make a million dollars! Because I just can't get over how clever that is; "Demo-rats" It's SO funny!

      I think you should probably be awarded a medal for funny writing, that's so freaking clever! You might have written the funniest thing ever written by a conservative writer, ever! I think you should be published. Gems like that don't come along often, and when they do, people deserve recognition and respect for their hilarious witty remarks!

      "Demo-rats" is definitely the new, cool thing to say. I bet you get a TV series or radio show with witty prose like that.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • garc

      Uh, yeah, Obama sent these few men secret messages through the implants in their brain to kill innocents. Suuuuure. I think you need to add a little more tinfoil to your hat to keep the secret messages out, yourself.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Sure blame Obama for what happen... You forget who fault the war is still going!!! Obama is just trying to clean up the mess He inherited!!!

      September 29, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      You sure can't blame Obama for it... They should make sure that the troops don't get hooked up with Drugs!!! Now the Republicans and Tea Party want to legalize drugs here...

      September 30, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Paden

    Oh really PP...Whos in office ? who promised to end the war ?
    Put the Kool-aid down and pull your head out, there is NO blaming Bush for this!

    September 27, 2010 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dant

      The man who started the war is now absolved of all blame because he is out of office? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Shinea

        You mean Bill "I got closer to killing bin Laden" Clinton? He was the one to first send troops there, but I guess it's not convenient to your world view to remember that.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marine

      He promised to exit out of Iraq...not to end the war

      September 27, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      They became drug addicts on Bush's shift!!! So Who else can You blame???

      September 29, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
  96. makguy

    I guess there wont be any justice for the 3 innocent victims

    September 27, 2010 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • db

      Innocent, who said that? They just did not have whepons in their hands at that moment, but they sure were not friendlies.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Adulhood

        So when did you get back from you vacation in Afghanistan? Seems like you were around when this happened, fi your so sure! 😀

        September 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • td1964

        How on earth can you possibly make that statement not knowing anything about the people that were killed?

        September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Shinea

        The solders who murdered him said that. You need to put away your game boy and get in the sun more. Your brain is deteriorating.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • boris

        How do you know they weren't friendlies? A man with his family who shows no threat doesn't seem like a deserving victim.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • GBS

        DumBo, and how do you know this? It is a knee jerk response.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
  97. Paden

    Good thing Bush is out of office or this would be bad.
    Now the same people who would foaming at the mouth to slam GB won't say a word.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Indy Mary

      Bad for who? George is enjoying an extended vacay, I mean retirement. I don't blame Bush for this any more than I blame Obama. How's that?

      September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dant

      Don't be stupid, of course people who don't like GW will condemn this. I do. The president doesn't have a direct effect on all soldier actions. Did Obama say "Hunt for sport" or did GW say "go ahead and torture?" Oh wait, one of those is true...

      September 27, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      If the Republicans do anything it is alright!!! But if it happens on the Democratic time it isn't!!!

      September 29, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
  98. pp

    well according to the Teabaggers or the Right, you're not american unless you wage war. For the left that are against war, you're not American. the overall conclusion...if you want to keep fighting pointless war's keep voting for the Tea Partiers, that way you can have more cases like these where people are just being killed for sport.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Shinea

      I haven't seen any indication that the "tea baggers" have a platform for supporting the war, some do and some don't. I have seen a lot of evidence that the "left" is against everything contrary to the military, regardless of what it is. They have a Pavlovian response to everything. Mention Military and you turn off your brain and stop listening. This country will never move forward as long as people like you bring your political bias to every issue. Some things should not be "left" or "right" they are only right or wrong.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • GBS

        Shinea...'left' 'right' 'left' 'right' 'left' 'right' 'left' 'right' 'left' 'right' 'left' 'right' This is the marching tune marching off to war 'left' 'right' 'left' 'right' 'left' 'right'

        September 27, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fred

      We are in a war here this goes on about everyday in combat. Until you all walk a mile in these soldiers shoes just stay back and shut up. I could tell you real stories about vietnam that would scare you to death. The Sob who turned our guys in should be on trial for treason. Case Closed

      September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • qweasd

        fred, you are an a$$ hole

        September 27, 2010 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • BS fred

        Right fred , you are the military expert. I have walk in those shoes and there is never any need to kill innocent, weaponless, suspects. Its wrong and you know it. Just man up and admit it. you can't possibly believe that its ok to go people hunting for sport!

        September 27, 2010 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michelle

        Seriously? So you value secrecy over humanity?

        September 27, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • GBS

        Fred you sound like a killer to me.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dawn

        Yeah, Vietnam was bad.
        But y'know what? If any of those soldiers were the same as these murderer's, then they deserve the spit they got when they got back home.

        All of them should be hung.

        September 27, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • ladydi


        September 28, 2010 at 8:57 am | Report abuse |
    • egiorgi

      The majority of teabaggers i know, people who have worked on libertarian campaigns though out the country, are non interventionists. you should take some time and actually learn about who you are trying to slander and classify. Its not singly repub or dem. As we can see its big government continuing this war. when W. was in office the left was anti war. now that O. is there anti war calls have fallen off the radar.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      If the Tea Baggier have Their way we will be back on the days of slavery!!! Plus everyone rights will be going down the drain with the rest of the Middle Class and poor...

      September 29, 2010 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
  99. Ginger

    Wouldn't it be awesome if CNN told the stories about the 99.9% of our men and women in uniform who've done so much to keep us safe? They're either killing machines or people to be pitied because hateful George W. Bush sent them there. It'd be great to read stories about the heroism. Predictable, but still sad.

    September 27, 2010 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Imbecile

      I guess you see only what you want to see. CNN has done plenty of stories regarding the heroism of our servicemembers.

      September 27, 2010 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jen

        Stories about heroism? What a joke. They report nothing about any of the good that's done over there.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • rich

      To keep us safe? Really?? You buy into that.. wow.. that's like someone stepping on a hornets nest to keep everyone safe

      September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • allen215

        Really, CNN talks about the military in a possitive way, i think not and also what is even more sad are the ppl who get up here to bash the military for protecting their country and following orders. Clearly Civilians that think this way no nothing of honor, pride in their country and obeying direct orders... you should go back to cooking burgers or living off of welfare in which we pay for Rich
        !!!!! R-tard

        September 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nick

        Wow Rich,

        If you honestly believe that the US Military doesn't protect you, you are truely blind. Choose this:
        A. Allow terrorists to kill our civillians on our home land
        B. Allow Men and Women who volunteer to go fight for the protection of US Civillians, and risk their life to preserve our way of life.

        You choose which is easier. One day I hope that you aren't soo blind and realize that the military does things for a reason. You may not know everything, and are not intended to know everything. Its better that you don't, but don't be ignorant about that. Just think about it this way, if our military didn't do the things it has since the beginning, you would probably be speaking German right now.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • JJ

        I agree
        We're screwing things up over there
        Making it safer for no one
        The millitary does keep us safe but not in this case.

        Guten Abend...

        September 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dave

        To Allen215 and Nick, you are mistaken to say everyone commenting on here is a civilian. I'm retired from the Army and proud of my service, but this kind of behavior does nothing to support our troops. Doing drugs and murdering unarmed civilians for sport is not anything you learn from the military.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        The blindness is actually on the part of those who would blindly follow their leaders into believing that any US war is "good" or "just".

        President Eisenhower warned us 50 years ago: "...we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex....We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."

        Blindly thinking our military knows best is foolish. As is blindly thinking that greed never enter into the decision to go to war. Like it or not, not all wars are "just". And we are not kept safe by making the rest of the world hate us. And we do not make up for 3,000 civilians being killed by terrorists on 9/11 by killing 30,000 civilians elsewhere who had nothing to do with it. Or by killing 300,000 innocent civilians. Or by killing ANY number of civilians elsewhere who had nothing to do with it.

        Like it or not, there are many currently enlisted men and women (as well as veterans) who do NOT agree with you. (Or with me.) But Eisenhower's warning is just as valid today as it was when he issued it 50 years ago. And I personally am inclined to take the warning of the 5 star general who was the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces during WWII...just like I'm far more inclined to take Warren Buffett's advice about investing. We need to be alert and knowledgable, not simply patriotic.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dave N.

        Some of these Replys are obviously from people who have O.D. on Fox News.
        The intellectually challenged.

        September 27, 2010 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • stejo

      Ginger, while I agree that the vast majority of our troops are following rules of engagement, doing it the way it's meant to be done, that isn't news. It would be like reporting on the vast majority of civilians that don't commit's just not news. I can't put in the links, but see the CNN story "homecoming surprises wife" or "A soldier departs for Afghanistan" or "Suicide attack, failed strike on base".

      Not even that crazy about CNN, but please don't be a drama queen about this.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • mordred

      Doing what you are supposed to be doing isn't news. Journalism 101 man.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • xactomundo

      Good luck changing human nature. People read what they are interested in... the news people publish what they think the readers will want to read. This is an important story whether it fits into your worldview or not...

      September 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • adam

      although these sorts of stories are rare, they spread fast in small countries like Afghanistan. we sometimes wonder why terrorists do what they do, but this is exactly why. if someone pulled your father out of his house and killed him in front of your family, you would dedicate your life to revenge. not only that, everyone in the entire country would learn of this atrocious act and feel similarly. finally, your comment about our soldiers keeping us face is debatable. what isn't debatable is that their putting their lives on the line and for that we should give them our support, which is not the same as supporting the war.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sarah

        This is my view too, Adam. We know full well when the reverse situation happens it is all over OUR news and provokes a lot of hatred towards not only Afghanistan, but the middle east and muslims. We have no idea whether we are hearing about the norm, or the 1% of bad apple cases. I have nothing but respect for our men and women in the middle east. I have nothing but respect for the fact that this incident isn't being swept under the carpet. I hope stories like this also make the Afghan news, to show that we are not being hypocrites and things like that aren't acceptable, even in times of conflict.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • GettingAlong

      What do you mean by keeping us safe? The US is in no danger at all. If 9/11 happened, it might have been inability to protect the borders. If we have a right to go there and do these crimes, why do we complain about 9/11.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • SewingMachine

      Neither CNN or any other major news outlet has given hardly any coverage of the countless war crimes committed by our government, soldiers of fortune (Blackwater) and soldiers since we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan 9 years ago.

      There is little difference between these killers and the 9-11 hijackers...they are all murderers.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kraznodar

        It must be very comforting to boil everything down into childishly simplified absolutes. The rest of us prefer this thing called reality. I would suggest you try it but you are clearly too weak for that.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • jstolpe

      No, what would be awesome is cnn would cover this up so no one would ever know it happened and the racist republicans and ignorant rednecks could wallow in ignorant bliss.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • wavejr

      I agree Ginger. Show's CNN's left-wing bias. I read CNN because it is what so many people in the world see. However, there is a story that is 12 hours old or older about the Obama administration pursuing to make it legal for the government to tap into social media platforms such as Facebook but I do not see this story on their sites. However, they were all over it when the Bush administration was defending the Patriot Act and the related ability to obtain a subpoena to access phone communcations. Extreme bias on CNN's part – daily.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • GBS

        Oooo looking into Facebook! I am scared!

        September 27, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Raleigh

      Blah, blah, blah...... No matter how much our government and our military does to improve our image around the world a story like this comes to destroy these efforts.... And then you hear people wondering "why do they hates". Well this is why they hate us. Yes, I agree most of our soldiers are decent people, but you always wonder how many crimes were not reported.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      Yes, that would be great for CNN to report on those stories. Unfortunately, you should be blaming the .1 percent of troops who commit atrocities and not the media for reporting on a story that this certainly newsworthy. Acts like this help explain why Afghans and Iraqis aren't welcoming us with open arms after we liberated them from dictatorships.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Blanca

      That would be nice. I know for sure this is not an isolated incident, as some people are saying, there are many like it. But there are many many more of the tortured civilians living in these areas by the Taliban and Al'qaeda (not spelled correctly I know). I really would like to read all the stories where the civilians kiss and hug the soldiers that protect them. The gifts they receive. I know I have a lot of family in the military. Most of the civilians there are grateful to have American soldiers there.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • WudLyk2know

      So should CNN not report this? Maybe the military should bury this story too. Then the middle east will LOVE Americans again!

      September 27, 2010 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • garc

      They do all the time. Apparently you don't want them to show when we screw up too, then?

      September 27, 2010 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Liz in Seattle

      Stories like this do bring honor to our servicemembers, because by calling out this type of inhuman behavior we can at least make it clear that the US military does not condone killing innocent people. The fact that these murderers are on trial and will be punished at least tells the world that this was aberrant behavior and not what is expected of an American soldier. It would be far worse if the media (like CNN) swept this under the rug. Of course the best situation would be if our soliders didn't don Army uniforms and kill innocents. But in this case that is what happened (or so it would seem) so the rest of us need to deal with it now.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • GBS

      Ginger, just how do they keep us 'safe'. I never did get this rational for going off to wars. Maybe back when Hitler was terrorizing Europe that would be a good line, but today, don't make sense.

      September 27, 2010 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • morvegil

      PLenty of those stories...are you kidding me? CNN should also post stories of cats rescued from trees. Oh yeah they do, and no one reads them.

      September 27, 2010 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      That is old news!!1 The Republican News is trying to forget it!!! It is better for the Republicans if they bring up stuff on Obama watch...

      September 29, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
  100. Jacqueline

    Its really shocking, upsetting and sad. It makes me worry even more for our troops and Im not sure that I believe we should be over there at all.....

    September 27, 2010 at 12:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • bailoutsos

      "Pentagon destroys thousands of copies of Army officer's memoir"

      September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • LauraJ

        Goodness nows there couldnt be another reason why that would happen, could there. Like strategic operation and tactics? This is already public knowledge lover of the grassy knoll.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Andi

        Indeed, yesterday's news. This story makes me want to vomit.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • bailoutsos

        :::LauraJ grassy knoll. @@@@ Where would you find a grassy knoll in Afghanistan?

        September 27, 2010 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Poppy

        If these stories are true these soldiers should not be allowed back into the United States. They should be kicked out of the country and let them fend for themselves

        September 27, 2010 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chad - Los Angeles

        Most the people in this country live in a bubble, and have no idea what the rest of the world is like. Further, they do not want out of their bubble, which is the sad part. The rest of the world sees us as an empire, akin to the Star Wars evil empire. But our gov't keeps telling us, we are liberators, and are helping citizens from tyranny, yet acting as tyrants ourselves.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • JustCameBackFromTheWar

        There's plenty of "grassy knolls" around well as Konduz (about a million different spellings available).

        September 27, 2010 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jon

        Chad, from L.A., so you feel that the "rest of the world" hates America and views us as the evil empire. Does that include Haiti? I think it's a stretch to say the "rest of the world" hates. Now I can see how the majority does. I see it more like the Roman Empire. Our hands stretch the globe. The sad thing is, our fall will be from within. It's a matter of time.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • BudMan

        Schindler's list

        September 27, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Swell

        Instead of pointing the fingers at the government and the military lets blame the creepy 22 year old. You know he isnt as stupid as he looks ...he has shifted the blame from the murder he commited on to others.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        They did purchase them. Actually, you bought them, because its your tax money.

        September 27, 2010 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • @LauraJ

        Incorrect. The book was approved by the Pentagon before it was even published.

        September 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nyowner

        conservative You might got shot in the head that's y you are so stupid.more then 70% of both wars are run by private companies which is top of the fortune 500 on wall street know before you open your mouth ya MORON.

        September 27, 2010 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jesse Cook

        Actually we have no business over there at all.

        September 28, 2010 at 8:54 am | Report abuse |
      • bailoutsos

        JustCameBackFromTheWar There's plenty of "grassy knolls" around Herat.. @@@ Did you just reveal classified info on where an American sniper could be? Pentagon will be knocking on your door soon.

        September 28, 2010 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Boulder Liberal and Proud of It

      Yes, Jacqueline:

      You're quite right. What are we doing over there? Making money for Corporate America and making more enemies, I fear. Fighting terrorism is a nasty business, but I think we could be doing better.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • conservative

        How exactly are we fighting for corporate America? My brothers and I in the Marines 2nd, 3rd, 8th would be interested to hear how we're helping out corporate America.

        September 27, 2010 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Roberto Applesauce

        Conservative. First, thank you and God bless you for your service. But you really didn't think the US gov't invaded the Middle East becuase we really care about spreading democracy, did you? There were no weapons there and obviously Iraq and definately Afghanistan don't pose any serious threat to us. Plus any HSer could tell you that the worst thing to do to reduce terrorism is to occupy Islamic countries. So why are we there? Hm. There are billions (with a B) in contracts to defense companies, and security companies. Any issues at all ALWAYS skyrocket oil prices big time. Remember the profits reported by ExxonMobile last year? Remember who sent these troops over there...a Texas millionaire well seated in the oil biz and a VP well seated in Halliburton. Plus Bush Jr. had a score to settle with daddy's arch ememy. There was no real reson to put your boys in danger except for greed and vengance.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • War is wrong

        @conservative- by protecting Oil compaines for one. Our whole involvement deals with keeping the control of middle east oil under "freindly control" secondly have you seen Haliburtons un-contested contracts? Billions of dollars in contracts awarded without the normal bidding process....these are two things I can think of in 2 sec if I were to look in to it I could probably list 30 or 40. don't forget Dick Cheney sat on Haliburtons board of directors for years and GWB and his whole family owns or is invested in tons of oil around TX.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • CT Mike

        Maybe you can enlist and come help out and do a better job?? No you rather sit on your labtop and constantly judge the job we're doing. Must be nice.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dave

        CTMike: It is the duty of us civilians to question things and pass judgment. We do not live in a military dictatorship. It is the duty of those in the military to follow orders without question. It is OUR duty as civilians to see that we do not ask you to go in harms way without just cause. Citizens of countries like North Korea and Burma are not allowed to freely comment on the government and military. We are. And FYI, I am a military veteran myself.. 🙂

        September 27, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • SoulVomitor

        "lab"top, eh?....where would I get one of those?....

        September 27, 2010 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chaos

        The particular posts you are replying to are not critiques of the job service men and women are doing, rather it is about the policies of civilian government. The politicians say "are fighting from freedom". The posters are exercising it.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • K

        No one has an issue with the job our service people are doing. God bless them. They have a job to do, and they are doing it. It's the leadership that sent them there in the first place, the decisions and motivations for war, that people are referring to here.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        More than oil, Afghanistan is key to getting natural gas reserves flowing out of central asia. There is a huge market in this resource and currently no good way to get at it economically. Point is, this war, like nearly all others, is driven by resources and economics. It may be true that the big winners here are corporations and (rich) stockholders, but the demand for their products wouldn't be there if everyday americans weren't so dependent on cheap energy, plus, their profits wouldn't be so outrageous if we had a more normal tax structure again! btw, I'm a current Army Guardsman who's served 2 tours in Iraq and earned 2 Bronze Stars, so no ridiculous sniping about my lazy liberal hippie views please.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Justin

        American Corporations manufacture just about every piece of equipment you use. The more you use it the more the Companies make and sell the equipment to the Armed Forces. Thanks for your service, be safe.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike

        Doing it better???? ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!! We should get out of Iraq and Afghanistan first. We have done so much damage there now, I don't know if the US will ever be thought of in good light again.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • YHTBKM

        Afganistan doesn't pose a threat to us? Wow, the 9-11 attacks were planned where? Remember, we are not fighting a war with Afganistan, we are fighting a war in Afganistan. BTW, that war we are fighting in Afganistan is against people who planned the 9-11 attacks, and who have dedicated their lives to one day again killing innocent Americans. We can fight them there, or here. Thank you to each of our service men and women who are willing to do it there.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Telling it as it is

        If you plan on "beating" terrorism, you sure as hell don't use military force. The goal was never to take on terrorism, because there never was any on the scale that the government tried to sell to the public. The reason why you're in Afghanistan, and Iraq, is because there is lots of money to be made in a war that will never end. It's really as simple as that. The whole reason the US invaded the Middle East had to do with $$$, not some patriotic 'revenge' type deal. Kind of hard to exact 'revenge' on someone that didn't do harm to you in the first place.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jack

        I think the whole point is that we don't want to go over there and do a better job, because we don't believe in the job you are being told to do. So no, I don't buy the whole "if you don't stand behind them stand in front of them" b.s. Because we don't belong, so no one should be standing anywhere but on US soil.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • MacBayne

        @CT Mike:

        I don't see how the OP was criticising you Marines on the ground. Seems more like attacking the motivations and committmenmt of the people who sent you there in the first place.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • HM

        Just want to make sure we all know that dear Dick Cheney (yes, our former VP) led Haliburton (the biggest beneficiary of the "war on terror" in corporate terms...) and continues to be one of the biggest players in that company to date? Hm... now what would he have gained by having the U.S. at war in Iraq? Why more desirable than Afghanistan where Bin Laden lies? Oh... OIL. Just google what Haliburton does. It will give clearer insight than any political speech.
        Look at the BILLIONSUS$ in contracts he handed out as VP even before he was CEO of Haliburton...

        September 27, 2010 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • JustCameBackFromTheWar

        Its easy to say that there's money to be made during a war, but a lot harder to back that up. Keep in mind that while the United States contributes the lion's share of troops, ALL participating nations must be allowed to bid on a contract. That means that the money you plan on making could in fact go to Belgium or Lithuania just as easily. Its a lot safer monetary investment to get a contract inside the United States with the government because you are not competing on an international market. Finally, what makes you think there's oil in Afghanistan?

        September 27, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • BudMan

        What he means is that like Vietnam, people (companies) are making huge profits off this war

        September 27, 2010 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Rich

        @conservative – I am also marine; 3rd marines of Amphibian Force 4, Eniwetok and Iwo Jima. I tell you now, if you don't know how corporate America is involved you are extraordinarily ignorant and misguided. I'm not going to instruct you, just get off your butt and do some reading, and some critical thinking.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mister Pants


        9/11, if you believe the official report, was planned in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Afghanistan was used to train and hide.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        @Mister Pants: The Oklahoma City bombings were planned and trained for in the United States. Maybe we should start attacking our own now, too? This isn't about finding the perpetrators of 9/11. Most of them are dead, and if the remaining few were actually killed or captured, the wars in the Middle East would most certainly not end. You know that.

        September 27, 2010 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • YHTBKM

        @ Mister Pants – Gee, only train and hide...

        @ Scott – You are right. It is about realizing, once again because Americans as evidenced by this thread don't learn from history, that isolationism doesn't work.

        September 27, 2010 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nyowner

        JustCameBackFromTheWar!!! make sure to stay in the hospital with retards because all those contracts were no bid contracts in amount of over 500 Billions. And yes it's with the B,just ask the next retard on the bed close to your's he might know if you don't.

        September 27, 2010 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Johnny

        Wasn't it Dwight Eisenhower whose farewell address warned: "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex."..?

        September 27, 2010 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Turned cynical by naive lunatics.

        Paul- no your views are lazy liberal hippy views. Why would we be fighting to get natural gas resources to... Europe? We can't ship it over here after all. Economically and resource wise its always cheaper and easier to buy then to take from others. So explain how it is more economic to start a war than it is to buy from them?
        Wars aren't driven purely by economics anymore than the free market is driven purely be economics (cough speculators cough)

        Well, that doesn't change that i'm of the opinion that we should pull out, but only because I can see we don't have the will to continue, not cause I think corporations are telling the army what to do (addressed at other posters who need to see phychiatrists to find out why they have such an aversion to success).

        We should pull out, pull it all out unilaterally and with the minimum amount of consultation. Let them cry, we dont have the will to save them, let them cheer, we have not the will to stop them, let them control, we have not the desire to free them. Pull them out, shape them up. If another terrorist attack happens, who cares? A couple thousand American civilian deaths means nothing, thousands die every month, if not every day. Send in the fighters, bomb a couple villages, places of power (why not, its not like we aren't accused of doing it now) and thats that. No need to fight in a 'correct' way, there is no correct way, fight to win, or don't fight at all.

        If the terrorists want to kill thousands of our countrymen, let them, It honestly doesn't really matter in anything but an emotional sense. Thousands of Americans die each month, if not each day.

        Wars are won by money, technology, training, numbers, and most importantly, will. If you don't have the will to follow through, then you have nothing. Will means accepting that the horrors of war will happen, and believing your cause is just enough to tolerate them.

        In an free society, its hard to believe in anything so strongly, thus another reason why ignorance and propaganda are so effective and vital to the survival of countries. To keep support for a war, people must remain ignorant to it, or have it smack them in the face with such force as to preclude hiding from it. Either we need a 9/11 to kill peoples family, or we need propaganda to keep people ignorant of the horrors of war. We currently have neither.

        September 28, 2010 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        I think that Our Military has always got blamed and hated for what We are trying to do to help out the World better themselves!!! I really wonder what This World would be like if We just did nothing like everyone else does??? Afghanistan is the first War that other Countries even came to Our Defense with the fighting!!! We helped the European with WWII... Why did it take so long with Them to help us???

        September 29, 2010 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Military

        Privatize Military. Our government is unfit to run it.

        September 30, 2010 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • publius enigma

        @conservative – it could be argued that you and your buddies are fighting for coporate america for the huge mineral resources found in afghanistan recently. There is a lot of money on the line to go to whoever controls that country.

        October 1, 2010 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        If the Enemy wasn't in uniforms instead of looking like all other Muslin... Innocents might not be getting killed!!! But when You have People walking up to where Your at Killing Our Troops... What more can You expect from the Troops if They aren't sure what They are going to do???

        October 4, 2010 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • duh

      u should be shocked and upset by the fact the drug was most likely OPIUM since OPIUM is all over this area, shocked and upset because this is the same drug all the people were on when the bible was created and hence why the stories are just outrageously unbelievable... wait FAITH thats it

      September 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kraznodar

        It is called punctuation and grammar. It keeps people from thinking that you are an incoherent doofus. Try it some time.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Reality

        Hash and Opium don't make people violent and want to kill. Many prescription medications do, however.

        September 27, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Poppy

        If this story is true then these men should be exiled.

        October 1, 2010 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg

      This is not a new story. Sounds like Vietnam, 1968.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        Nothing is ever a news story, there's always someone saying something isn't news. But, this is on CNN. What credentials do you have to determine what the news is?

        September 27, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tom M.

        Exactly. the Army reflects American society precisely, every now and then a psycho will appear, it is inevitable. As in Vietnam and every war anywhere on the planet since time inmemoriam.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kraznodar

        Paul – He said new. As in not old. He didn't say it wasn't news. This story goes back to the beginning of recorded history. There have always been drugs and atrocities. The only difference is that now we try to control and minimize both.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • K

        He said new, not news. Clearly, it is a 'news' story.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sam

        War. War never changes

        September 27, 2010 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • ROK soldier

        I believe he meant 'not new' as in we have seen this all before. In every war back before ancient Greece.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • ruthieann

        Welcome to My Lai my friend

        September 27, 2010 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • harry1420

        this is not news? sure sounds like news. just may not be the kind of news you wanna hear. get out of your bubble.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • olehippy13

        This is the exact thing that JOhn Kerry talked about to Congress, back in the seventies.....they said oh noooo, not American Troops. I was a medic in Nam, I heard stories about stuff like this happening...but I never actually saw it my self. How ever, I did meet acouple of OR Techs, that told me they used to make rings out of human bones while in Nam....stuff like this happens in a war Americans.
        former vietnam medic

        September 27, 2010 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • afw

        Sounds like the Gulf War, circa 1991 as well. I had friends who served in that war and they told stories of corpse desecration, though thankfully no murder. That's not to say what these men did was excusable – it wasn't – but I don't think it was unusual.

        September 27, 2010 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        When You have a Enemy that doesn't fight fair!!! Innocent People die... It is kill are be killed in war!!!

        October 4, 2010 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Brett Favre's fan (a.k.a. ybs)

      We need to punish these perpetrators hard; but we must go after the Taliban & Al Qaeda until Osama's head is served on a platter, or until they are well handicapped.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • AlexJones

        Why would they want to do that Bin Laden WAS a CIA operative, hes dead just ask Bhutto oh wait they killed her too
        Al Qaeda is a CIA front it litterally means the Database as in CIA database
        ask anyone one that knows Arabic
        and in case youre still wandering 911 was an inside job
        we are over there for geopolitical strategic reasons not because some Jihadists with boxcutters managed to elude and take down the most powerful militar industrial complex on the planet by "suprise"

        September 27, 2010 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Whats That?

        Did you hear something? Like an annoying buzz you get when a fly goes by your ear? I could've sworn... Oh wait its just a conspiracy theorist. Dont pay attention to it, all it does is try to make the government look bad in any way possible.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Brett Favre's fan (a.k.a. ybs)

        There are always bad apples. We must punish them for heinous crimes. Otherwise, we are no different from the Nazis, or O.J. Simpson's family that still insists on his innocence.

        These are the values the U.S. must uphold - no IFs or BUTs!

        September 27, 2010 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Brett Favre's fan (a.k.a. ybs)

        Alex, You have an "immense simplicity" in dealing with Al Qaeda & terrorists!

        September 27, 2010 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Intelligence

        Actually, Alex is correct. Also it is not that the conspiracy theorist try to make the Gov. look bad, just the truth to be told. Our government should not lie and hide information from us, regular civilians are the majority population, not the top one percent that run this country. "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" that is a quote from Thomas Jefferson that I believe proves my point. A majority of the people in this country believe everything our government and completely trust them. Tyranny, greed, and corruption have taken our awesome America and changed everything it was created for. WAKE UP PEOPLE, LETS GET AMERICA BACK TO WHAT IT WAS FOUNDED AND CREATED FOR, THE ENJOYMENT OF LIFE AND LIBERTIES.

        September 29, 2010 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • human

      This would be one of the millions other war crimes which never could come on the media ....wonder how this one did... War is never a solution but the company which makes arms and ammunition sure made lot of money since past 10 yrs now.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • A-Town

      This will go down as the "Abu Gharib" of Afghanistan. This is horrible, how very rarely, war changes these young men into heartless and insensitive killers. It breaks my heart for this poor Afghani man and his family. It's so sad. I can't even imagine how hard it must be over there. I am so thankful, yet so disappointed this is what we turned our young into.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chris

        I am not surprised about that. These soldiers need to be eliminated for their poor judgements. Great job, BUSHy!

        September 27, 2010 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Get the Tarriest to fight the war the way it is suppose to be fought... Then You wouldn't have Innocent People dieing like that!!!

        October 4, 2010 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • ks

      @frankly.... There are so many countries that do not abide by the Geneva convention. Some are in the middle east where we are fighting now.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • InnerLynx

        @ks: That may be so.... but some of them were never signatories of the conventions/treaties in the first place. We, however, have been since 1949 (with ratification/accession in 1955).

        September 27, 2010 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fig1024

      this isn't shocking and only moderately upsetting. This is what war is like. These things happen in war, all the time. In fact, such behavior is impossible to stop completely. It's kind of like speeding, people know it's illegal, but they do it anyways on regular basis, and with about just as much concern for their actions.

      You want this war, you accept the consequences.

      September 27, 2010 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • kAY

        and if you choose to murder unarmed Afghanis for accept the consequences for THAT, too! Such as life imprisonment in Leavenworth.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • matt

        actually no, dimwit, tearing an innocent's skin off so you can keep their femur in a jar as a trophy is not like speeding. join us in the 21st century Igor.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Poppy

        these boys should have their citizenship revoked and they should not be allowed back into the USA

        September 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • biblerulez

      So when a pakistani woman tried to shoot our troops we gave her 85 years in prison. I am sure our system will just hand out dishonorable discharge and maybe a year or two of jail for these thugs for killing innocent civilians. What a great justice system. All hail american justice

      September 27, 2010 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Yea but consider who the people being charged, your own citizen or a foriegner. I've lived over sea for almost 2 years from Amerixa and relized when it comes to your own citizen, the laws tend to lean over

        September 27, 2010 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Infantryman

        Pretty presumptuous statement there...guess it never occurred to you that the very fact the Army is making this PUBLIC means that they are actively pursuing this case. Really tired of folks like you who know jack squat about the military chiming in like youre some sort of expert. Maybe you should take your namesake in to consideration next time before you post....maybe God can give you in guidance what you lack in proper perspective.

        September 27, 2010 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |

      The Army does take people with the lowest ASVAB scores and most criminal offenses. So give them a few grenades and guns and see what happens. Duh! - If I were an Afgan, I'd be out for American blood! Great job guys!!!

      September 27, 2010 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • CT Mike

        Are you serious? ASVAB score requirements are the same across the board (31% AFQT) for all the services. Only the line scores determine what job you qualify for with that respective service. But just like this article, why let the facts get in the way of a good story right? The actions taken by these soldiers are absolutely disgusting. But the part that many readers here fail to realize is that it is not fair to generalize our military and say we are all animals like these guys. Hundreds of thousands of men and women have deployed to both theaters. And the overwhelming majority have served professionally and with compassion. Please don't let a story like this skew your view of our Armed Forces. It's not only innacurate but also extremely unfair.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        Sorry, CT Mike, but I'll introduce you to an Army recruiter who hates his job because the standards have been lowered so much in order to get enough warm bodies. He's terribly concerned about this and the effect it's having on the Army and on his fellow soldiers. I'll take his opinion over yours on this issue.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mother of Soldier

        I cannot believe there are idiots like you that my son has to put his life on the line for. How dare you encourage death and/or violence on our troops for the bad judgement of a few soldiers. I would be very curious to know if you have ever served your country but specifically I would like to know how you like that freedom my son MY FAMILY has allowed you to have.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • CT Mike

        @ Kay-Funny but you don't have to because I am one also. Your friend hates his job because it's 12 hour days cold-calling teenagers who want nothing to do with you. And your success is based on getting someone else to raise their right hand and take the oath. Believe me it does suck. However, the only standard that changed in the last 3 years has been weight and body fat standards since most 18-25 year olds are a little on the portly side. Now within the Army in regards to some training and discipline issues are debateable. Some standards are not the same and some of this has been done for retention issues. Either way, you using this story to now say the Army as a whole are the same as these murderers is wrong and you know it. But it's easier to be subjective than objective now isn't it? Bottom line, this is a truly isolated incident and in no way is a total reflection of the US Army. Unless you just hate all of us anyway since your so liberal and angry...

        September 27, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Uncjohnny

        @Mother of Soldier – You need to step back and realize what you are saying. Who said anything related to your rant? Your "holier than you" speech is tiresome to those who have to hear this from the likes of people like you all too often. I am grateful for our men and women serving in our armed forces, it takes a lot of courage to step foot on a battlefield, regardless of why you are there. But don't fool yourself into believing that the people who speak out against this war are undeserving of their freedoms, or that those freedoms are there only because of your son. It's the right of every American to voice their concerns over any issue and it is my opinion that this war has nothing to do with our freedom...and I'd go as far as to say that you have never served your country, so does that mean I am more deserving of my freedoms than you?


        US Veteran

        September 27, 2010 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • SSgtAFSING

        Seriously...the out for blood part, dumb...though the part of the Army lowering it's standard to recruit more men and women...somewhat true...AF won't touch you if you have a record...Army's take what you can get mentality to fill spots is not so smart...HOWEVER...still gotta respect the work that the men and women, whether Active, Guard or (and i'm talking about the ones who actually want to make a difference, the ones that stay out of trouble and give all they got...not morons like those mentioned in this article...

        September 27, 2010 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • SSgtAFSING

        Mother of Soldier-i think F16Avionics is serving or has oh please tell whose freedom your son is fighting for? His? Your's? America's? Please snap back to reality...we're in these conflicts (war is generally approved by Congress, don't recall Congress approving a war) because the United States needs to protect it's interests worldwide and it there is a threat to it's interests, America will do what is necessary to protect it. Whether it's coming up with WMD stories or retaliation for the attacks on America.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        For some reason, my response to CT Mike and his "facts" got placed waaaay down below where I intended to post it. But I believe the data I provided show that it's *he* who likes to cherry-pick the facts.

        September 27, 2010 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        That is because You are stupider than most of the Afghanistan People!!! They know that the Tarriest are using Them as Shields... They understand that the Americans at times have to make a mistake to stay alive... It really hasn't happen that much with the amount of time We have been fighting there!!! They realize that...

        October 4, 2010 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
    • free2comment

      if the rate of casualty in this war is 52% due to friendly fire, why am I not surprised by this story.

      a brain damaged kid high in a war is prescription for non re-deployment unless they want us over their killing ourselves and afghanis

      September 27, 2010 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kraznodar

        free2comment – Where the hell did you get a 52% casualty rate?

        September 27, 2010 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Doug Hodges

      This is Horrific.....I thought we were better than this...they must be prosecurted for Murder

      September 27, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Voice of sanity

      Killing innocent civilians should be seen more than a 'barbaric' act. Call it what we call it when they do it us - terrorism.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Viet Nam VET

        You know, before Viet Nam I would have jumped on the "HANG EM, IT'LL TEACH EM A LESSON" bandwagon too. Talking about the soldiers who commited this terrible act. However, after experiencing FEAR for an extended period of time, I have come to realize that, yes, ANYONE is capable of these horrible acts, even YOU. Given the right conditions. So, before you slip that noose around their neck, try taking a walk in their shoes. Sorry for the families. War is HELL.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sandra

        @ Viet Nam Vet

        I keep reading people write about the fear these men must have experienced due to the things they have seen. However, it is clearly stated by the soldier that the man he killed did not (in his eyes) pose a threat. In other words, they didn't feel this man could hurt them (especially since he was not armed). They basically just killed him for fun. They were NOT afraid of him. Therefore, I don't understand why people are trying to rationalize MURDERERS just because they are American soldiers. It's pretty ridiculous that people feel the need to say it's okay just because they are soldiers. Plain and simple: IT'S NOT OKAY TO MURDER A PERSON.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anne

      This stupid war in Afghanistan should end. It is discussing to see soldiers turning like animals, for what?
      Lot of young people die, it is no sense, too late for an attack in Afghanistan.
      And we are even paying for this.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • venkata

        Well, i think you meant to say disgusting. Any ways, Yes...The war is creating more problems and the outcome? nothing. We cant even take our own water bottles into an airplane. Ppl in Nyc suffer more. Their police need to have more funds to prevent any more attacks...This is not the progress the world needs.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kraznodar

        Couldn't quite pull off that 8th grade education could you?

        September 27, 2010 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        We already know what happens when We finish a war before it is finished!!! Look what happen when Bush Sr quit before He won it... Also look what Happen when Bush Jr took the troops out of Afghanistan before We were through!!! Obama want to finish this war the same way He ended Iraq War!!! Can anyone ask more than that???

        September 29, 2010 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Vietnam Vet: Those that have never been in the Military could never understand what it is like to fight a Enemy that You can't tell Who they are!!! Korea was the last War that we had where We knew Who We were fighting... It is not fair to Our troops to keep on going back to fight the same war like We have in Iraq and Afghanistan!!! When your asked to do 7 are 8 tours it can't Be easy on you... We only had to fight a year and We were done... That is a big difference... I just talked to a National Guard Unit yesterday... They are leaving in Dec. for Their 4th tour to Afghanistan!!!

        October 4, 2010 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
    • RIko

      This is one of the stuff why the taliban is getting more support and harder for US to win the war. The people in the region knows about this kind of stuff, but the western world are so clueless of what actually happened inside Afghanistan or Iraq.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        That is where You are wrong... They are running out of Leaders and Tarriest because of us fighting the war the way we are!!!

        September 29, 2010 at 12:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Canadian

      Here’s one thing I don’t understand about you folks. When immigrants come to your country many of you get angry…they are taking your jobs and they are creating more crime etc. etc.

      Then you very people turn around and send a bunch of white, largely uneducated, males into people’s countries walking around like kings with machine guns. What exactly do you expected them to do? Welcome you with open arms? And believe me, there’s more of this going one you just don’t hear about it.

      Iran holds three of your citizens and you get your briefs all tied up in a know..

      September 27, 2010 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Pete

        You are a moron. You are from Canada right? So shut up and enjoy the fact the only reason anyone knows who or what the hell you are is because you are next to us..eeh. If you and the rest of your good for nothing people think you can do a better job. By all means go ahead.

        September 27, 2010 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • GBS

        To Pete...Just what did Canadian say that irked you so much? The Canadian is right, read his post again and maybe you will see through the veil that the US has over your head.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • steve harnack

        Actually Pete, staying home and doing no harm would be doing a better job of it!

        September 27, 2010 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        Poor Pete. He apparently has missed the fact that Canada has come quite nicely through the recession while the US is still reeling with almost 10% unemployment, tons of foreclosures, and all those other things I don't think Canadians are jealous off. Not only that, but they have universal health care...without bankrupting the country or "death panels" or massive waiting lists, or any of the other problems that Americans are desperate to believe Canadians *must* suffer from. Our utter ignorance of other countries...and our appalling.

        September 27, 2010 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Rafael

        actually used to be four, now three. Two REI hikers and a former FBI agent

        September 28, 2010 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ozmo

        Good Point Canadian!

        It often puzzles me why us Americans yell and scream about "immigrant invaders", and yet seem to think that occupying other countries for our own purposes is right.

        I personally have a problem with "iilegal" immigrants but not immigrants whom come here legally, of which I work with many on a daily basis.

        I wonder how us Americans would like NATO driving tanks down our own little main street, putting armed guards and curfews in place "for our own good", and "liberating" us from our government?

        Thank you to our whom have and continue to serve. These "bad" apples won't spoil the bunch for me.

        September 30, 2010 at 11:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • d

      yeah, i'm not sure we should be over there fighting the terrorists who would much rather be on american soil plotting another 9/11. well, on 2nd thought, maybe we should be.

      September 27, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • steve harnack

        Do you really buy into that load of bs? Of course there is no way that they could cross over the border into Uzbekistan or say, any of hundreds of other countries and plan their mischief could they? It has to be Afghanistan or nowhere eh? Even for the sake of revenge I would wager that there is not one planner of 9/11 left in the country.

        September 27, 2010 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        If they're all in Afghanistan, why do we keep bombing Pakistan...our ally?

        September 27, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marty W.

      Bad things happen in every war. Given the fact that this war is right in the middle of the opium motherlode for the whole planet, stories like these should shock no one. War is Hell. Even good people do bad things during wartime. Should we condone this type of action? Absolutely not. But do not be shocked with stories like this about war. They will never change. Again, War is Hell.

      September 27, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • andym

      And they're worried about having GAY people in the armed forces?

      September 27, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        No...they're worried about KNOWING they have gay people in the military 🙂 After all, gays have ALWAYS been in the military.

        September 27, 2010 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Another failure of democracy.

      September 27, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • DB

      Maybe before we get all shocked and disappointed and ready to throw them to the dogs, let's think about the sport killing from the enemy.....i.e. IED, snipers, suicide bombers, etc. that have killed countless civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and our troops......what about that?

      September 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        Did your mama never teach you that "two wrongs do NOT make a right"????

        September 27, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        I understand there aren't any dogs are cats there... They eat them for Their meals!!! What surprises me most that They don't eat the meat from the People they kill... They eat everything else!!!

        September 30, 2010 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimcord

      Intolerance. How can we win the war with these values. We show them that we aren't better than Taliban and here in N.Y we don`t want them to have their mosque. Loosing our values will drive us down to the middle age

      September 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Didn't You ever figure when the People that Your fighting fights dirty!!! That You have to fight Dirty too??? If They wouldn't be Using Their People as shields we wouldn't be killing Innocent People!!!

        September 29, 2010 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • meyeste

      That's easy to say, but these soldiers weren't unfeeling killers' when they signed up, I also see in their the soldier in question is brain damaged after suffering one or more IED attacks. I don't know if you've met anyone that has suffered this type of attack, I have and there is no question their entire personality changes. The person I know had survived one IED attack, and he was perceptively different, his motivation was gone, he was much more distant, almost not caring. These Americans deserve better than a off-hand conviction and dismissal.

      September 27, 2010 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        I work with people with PTSD and other mental illnesses. Mental illness is never an excuse for killing for sport. It may be a reason...but it is NOT an excuse.

        Yes, I hope these guys get the treatment they obviously need. No, I cannot automatically claim that none of them were like this when they signed up. After all, about 4% of our troops are sociopaths. (This isn't said as criticism, by the way. The military acknowledges this.)

        September 27, 2010 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Our Soldiers were not Drug Addicts like They are now either!!! If anyone is the blame it is the Officers in Charge of Them... They should make sure that drugs isn't that easy for the Soldiers can get!!!

        September 29, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      No matter if we should be there or not, we are there and this is a war.

      September 27, 2010 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jerry Antonatos

      The purpose of us being there is to destroy and prevent the type of terrorist training camps that thrived pre 911. Our answer to this problem has been weak and political. This is Vietnam all over again. Afghanistan is 3 times the size of Iraq and at best we have half the amount of troops. If you want the military to wipe out the terrorist camps, unchain the handcuffs and let them do what they can, including going into pakistan where they are thriving now./

      September 27, 2010 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        The CIA, Pakistan and Drones is doing the job there... They did let Troops Engage against the Taliban that went from Afghanistan into Pakistan!!! We are starting to make things really bad for them compare to the way it use to be...

        September 29, 2010 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • mark nyc

      these hillbillies, along with their COs should be charged with war crimes.

      September 27, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • ladyinfinity

      What's really shocking is that these soldiers don't see the Aghan people as human beings. It's like a sci-fi movie where the aliens come to earth and kill us off like a virus. Is this what hashish does to people? If so, why are they taking it?

      September 27, 2010 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave N.

      How long will this country continue this illogical adventure? Quote J.K. "who will be the last solider ask to die for this failed policy?" Has that solider been born yet? What will happen to those who have supported the Allied efforts when
      the U.S. pulls outs? The other side can lose a 100,000 fighters a year forever, and each one of these stories that
      reach the internet allows recruiting to increase and doubles their resolve. We will not win this war, its only a matter of
      how long will it take for the public to move this war back to our limited attention span and demand an immediate pullout!

      September 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Norm

        Obama says 2011. August i think....

        September 28, 2010 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Why is it fail when it will help the Majority of the People??? But it is the right thing to do to cut taxes to the Rich???

        September 29, 2010 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Clifford S

      Bla Bla Bla, more Internet quarterbacking from the High and Mighty Left

      September 27, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      End the occupation!

      September 27, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thundering Third

      For those who haven't served in the Infantry, not you POG punks, we have a saying,"It's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six", figure it out morons it called WAR for a reason!

      September 27, 2010 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Norm

        "Thundering Third" Lol...I can see you all sitting around passing gas and having a good old knee slap.
        Your quote has nothing to do with this article unless you're telling us your commanding officer would have shot you for disobeying his order to murder innocent bystanders. Seems your brain has suffered damage at the expense of the military as well....maybe. If so then thanks for your service, but I suspect you got that quote from a video game.

        September 28, 2010 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Norm: Until You been there and saw whsat You had to deal with!!! You have no right to talk about it...

        September 29, 2010 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Norm: Until You been there and saw what You had to deal with!!! You have no right to talk about it...

        September 29, 2010 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rob

      i know people that have been over seas and it is exactly as they say. it's a sport and it is truly disgusting and very scary. it is like vietnam all over again.

      September 27, 2010 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        It is not a sport!!! It is the only way You really have to protect Yourself... It is a shame You don't know Who Your real Enemy is!!! But that is how they fight a war today... So how can You blame Our Military for what They do???

        September 29, 2010 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave N.

      I've noticed the posted age of our casualties is encreasing, is that a result of multiple deployments and too long a
      War? What kind of career will 5 deployment veteran have when this war ends?

      September 27, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        FBI and Police Jobs...

        September 29, 2010 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Satan loves Republicans

      Disgusting Americans. You judge ALL Muslims as terrorists because of a few. I judge all US Military as ruthless rapists and murderers because of the MANY MANY atrocities committed. HYPOCRITES, RAPISTS AND MURDERERS. America is Godless.

      September 27, 2010 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Edward Stack Sr

        You read and study and adhere to Satan's book...............the Koran is Satanic in many ways and you do NOT have a have a FOOL to worship.......................

        September 27, 2010 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • kim

      why do you have to post this? how many americans will be killed over this story? is this even true, have you even told us all of the story? It is very difficult to trust any of the media during this time in our history. Journalists have almost become like politicians, very few GOOD HONEST men or women. Again, how many Americans will be killed because of your story. Does it need to be told, maybe not, if the military is taking care of this within in their own departments, then what is the story? The story would need to be covered if the military chose to ignore the issue or try to cover it up.

      September 27, 2010 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patricia

        They're sharing this story because that's the LEAST we can do for the Afghanis that were brutally murdered without cause. Just because you plug your ears or close your eyes doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because it makes the military look bad doesn't mean it shouldn't be told. What are we becoming that people actually even need to make a stupid statement like that?

        September 28, 2010 at 10:36 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        If the Americans do it it is a story!!! If the Muslin do it it is OK... Even though They do it by the Hundreds!!!

        September 29, 2010 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Edward Stack Sr

      We should NOT be over there..............I spent 12 years in the military during Korea and Viet Nam...............we don't train them to become addicts..........the Taliban WILL see that we have addicts........

      September 27, 2010 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        They do not train the Military for taking drugs!!! But The Officers doesn't stop it from happen when They are there!!! That was the problem with the last 3 wars we fought...

        September 29, 2010 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nothnnew

      Okay, clearly, these troops are being hyped up – not just on drugs – but statistics. Imagine, someone tells you (before going on assignment) you're not likely to return alive; then, some genious of a comrade comes up with the bright idea of getting rid of them, before they get to you. The question is: Where would you stand?

      In fact, it really does not take much thought to quickly determine whose side you're going to be on; especially, amid the gunfire and blasts of legalities, including instructions that authorize you to throw a grenade and kill someone, assured you'll get away with it. Moreover, you're more likely to be killed – in the moment – by one of your own (much like Pat Tillman) than by the guy that's being held. So, what do you do?

      Perhaps, we'd all be on trial in this case. I, for one, would hope to find myself held to a much higher standard of accountability – my faith in God – by Whom I would find it difficult to stand by; taking part in such a travesty, yet, by the grace and mercy of God there go we all; young men and women, "sifted like wheat" in the weight of matters we dare not consider, otherwise, yet – in a moments notice – you find yourself called upon to decide: "Whom you shall serve".

      It's that simple!

      Ergo, I submit, the commander (in charge) should be held to the highest accountability and it should trickle down from there. Why? Because when you place that kind of a burden on our young men and women, then, certainly you're not doing your job. In fact, while they are under orders; expressed by the activities in which they engaged – not as solo operators, but under the watchful eye of a team – it's the commander's intent that should be in question.

      Moreover, who do we suppose the troops should follow? As, clearly, the line between a legal or illegal order is too fine to question; especially in times of war. So, were they following orders or were they a bunch of rogue servicemen – undisciplined – and doing whatever came to mind? That is the question.

      September 27, 2010 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sad truth

      This is just the tippy tip of an extremely large iceberg.

      September 27, 2010 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Royah

      This story is so sad. As an Afghan American I am dissappointed in our troops. It's too bad the military will sign anyone up for the army and give them a gun without doing any type of psychological background check. Even if a person was under the influence of illegal drugs they would not kill harmless civilians unless they thought it was fun or were bored. These monsters were obviously bored and wanted to entertain themselves. The Afghan civilians, under Islamic Law, are going to heaven since they were killed in cold blood and did nothing to deserve dying. The soldiers are going to get their punishment during judgement day when God does the same thing to them that they did to the Afghan civilians. Who knows God might burn them in Hell forever if these soldiers don't repent, and devote themselves to performing good deeds for the rest of their lives.

      September 28, 2010 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
    • ladydi


      September 28, 2010 at 8:53 am | Report abuse |
      • Bob Griffin

        Afghans are not Arabs

        September 28, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        That is was really bothers me the most... These People cry when Americans kill innocent People!!! But where are They when the tarriest chop off the heads of the innocent People They kill???

        September 29, 2010 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Daniel-2

      Actually Jacqueline,we have no right to even be over there,but the right-wing politicians need this war to further their political careers while the war profiteers are making huge amounts of money.In fact,our foreign policy is being controlled by the MIC(military-industrial-complex).

      September 28, 2010 at 9:01 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        I guess We had no right to be fighting in WWII right??? We have the right to fight any place that Attacks Our Country!!! We should never gone into Iraq either time... That I could agree with!!!

        September 29, 2010 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Norm

      So when Wikileaks reports something like this it's a natioanl security hazard, but it's ok for CNN?
      This is a case of pure evil behavior by the commanding officer. Hashish doesn't make you want to kill other human beings for sport. Let's stop looking for excuses and try these animals for what they are.

      September 28, 2010 at 10:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Guest

      You are worried for our troops? After reading the article, I was more worried for the innocent Afghan civilians.

      September 28, 2010 at 10:12 am | Report abuse |
    • douglasG3

      Any well educated person who studies human interactions should be able to predict this kind of event. Our military trains killer children, placing them in a confusing hostile environment, without adequate supervision. Results: Lord of the Flies type behavior. Unless our military wants to train it's personel in a whole new "sensitizing method", and then supervise them through highly stressfull situations....our military ought never to be sent into areas where the enemy is not easily recognized.

      September 28, 2010 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
    • danny10

      Why is everyone so shocked by this type of behavior? These guys are in danger every day, and while shooting innocents is horrible, you can't judge these men by civilian standards..

      September 28, 2010 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
    • liberty 2010

      lets see what Obama can do to fix this problem, i'm getting tired of the nonsense. we need more leadership, not the blame game. the military needs to get tough on these criminals, i'm outraged and mad.

      September 28, 2010 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
    • tcaros

      Our intelligence agencies are running an international organized crime network. They traffic drugs. People in the Republican party are aware of this. Republican campaign contributions come from this crime network.

      September 28, 2010 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Carol Kelley

      Well, Yes, Jacqueline, worry about our troops. What about if you are a poor Afgan in your hut with hundreds of US troops roaming the hills, high on god knows what. What would you do with your children? Our troops have guns, drugs, rock and roll, and for some reason think the Afgans want us there? Most know better, flip out, and are at risk for pulling a Columbine.

      September 28, 2010 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
    • bailoutsos

      If there is a God, why doesn't he call upon the Angel of Death to pass over all terrorists and destroy them? Just like Passover in the bible.

      September 28, 2010 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
      • Bob Griffin

        For the same reason that the Angel of Death didn't pass over the cities of the Philistines, the Edomites, the Ammonites, or the Assyrians.

        September 28, 2010 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Linda

      Get our boys home. Why are they over there. There may be more Muslims here than there. Especially check out these big trucks. Our cities are full of crime and shooting. May be more violence here than there.
      We need to get Obama out of office as soon as possible. Look at the educational system and you can believe me, you cannot fix it. The mess in the public schools is deep and thick. The higher educational systems lie to the students, make them write papers backing up the instructor's opinion– if they expect to pass–they will do it.
      We need a house cleaning in America. The old people have to use all their savings to go to a nursing home, but the tax payer pays for the food, housing and health for murders and rapist–excuse me–something is upside down here.
      The prisons are equiped with law llibraies and recreational areas and we pay for it. Let their relatives pay for their keep.
      In one small city, when a kid got in trouble the parents were fined-considerably and crime dropped considerably.

      September 28, 2010 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
      • Bob Griffin

        The problems you mention have been building since before George Herbert Walker Bush's presidency

        September 28, 2010 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • AM

      Yes this person was psyched out and committed a crime, and it gets reported on CNN.
      How about the crime our justice system committed recently by sentencing Dr. Afia. No news of that on any mainstream media. Google Her.
      She was a Ph.D. from MIT who married somebody from Al Qaeda. Was kidnapped alongside her three kids ages 1-7 by CIA from Pakistan and kept in Afghanistan for 4 years. Two of her three kids are thought to be dead, one mysteriously showed up at her folks house after her case came to court here. Her case only came because while intterrogating somebody shot her.
      Now she has been sentance for attempted murder without any physical proof and just based on the testimony. She wasn't even charged for conspiracy or terrorism.

      September 28, 2010 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Confused Citizen

      while I understand the media's right at some level to put the news out there... I do not understand why we keep reporting information that in year's past, would have been protected .. this is only going to end up hurting the remaining troops currently in the war zone.. it makes no sense ... we give the enemy fuel for their fire, we give those we are trying to build relationships with fear.. it makes no sense.. we are constantly shooting ourselves in the foot..

      September 28, 2010 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
      • Bob Griffin

        The locals in Afghanistan have other sources for this information than the American media. They would react to the information whether or not folks in the US are aware of it.

        September 28, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Norm

      How strange to see an article like this on CNN.
      When Wikileaks posts something like this, it's a threat to our national security, but here is a graphic word for word account and video taped interview with the murder and it's....ok.
      Advertising dollars really do have clout don't they...

      September 28, 2010 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
    • john mccarthy

      Jacqueline; It is just a shame that the news allows the brainwashing of the public by letting the attorneys for these soldiers claim that they were under the influence of hash mixed with opium as the reason why they committed these terrible crimes. Having been a drug user for over 45 years I only know of one drug that will allow people to do things they normally would not do is booze. Most people who have smoked pot or hash (stronger, comes from same plant) would realize that this is a crock. Why we allow the media to perpetuate this garbage is beyond me. LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS..............CRIMINALIZE ALL RELIGIONS.......

      September 28, 2010 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      It just shows what Are Military has to do today just to fight there!!! They should be going after the ones selling the Drugs to them not Them... This is what happens when You keep sending Our troops back to fight the Wars we have... At least in the Vietnam war you only deployed for a year and You were finished!!! Not have to go back for 6 are 7 tours like They are doing today...

      September 29, 2010 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Farouq

      this terrorist deserves nothing less than death penalty

      September 30, 2010 at 3:02 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      That is what happens when You send kids on so many tours in the Country!!! They don't know who They are fighting any more...

      October 4, 2010 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
    • MannyHM

      I should become a duty of any soldier to remove the 'rotten apple' from the group because it will destroy the whole troop.
      Disabling him or eliminating him should be justifiable in that case. Doing nothing would make such noble and dangerous mission meaningless. Of course, record what you see and hear to back up your actions.

      November 3, 2010 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • ME

      as much as im against these killings people have to understand that this is war..nothing about it is going to be pretty and when you throw a bunch of kids that all they are trained to do is to kill against an enemy in an environment were they dont know who the enemy is or is not there is going to be some problems...this isnt like other conflicts were the enemy wore uniforms and came out to fight us ...this enemy is hiding behind the people, amongst the civilians and its the civilians that end up paying the price ...its sad but its WAR and its never going to end

      November 8, 2010 at 11:35 am | Report abuse |
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