August 6th, 2010
09:28 AM ET

Ex-Pakistan spy chief: Afghanistan war 'lost cause'

The U.S.-led war in Afghanistan is a "lost cause," said a former Pakistani intelligence chief, and the United States needs to negotiate peace with Taliban leader Mullah Omar. "You have to talk to him, and I'm sure it will work out very well," Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul told CNN's Fareed Zakaria in an interview to air Sunday. 

U.S. intelligence documents published last week by WikiLeaks cited Gul and implicated Pakistani intelligence as supporting al Qaeda. Gul has denied the allegations. "I'm quite a convenient scapegoat," he said. "I don't support any one faction in Afghanistan. I support the Afghan nation."

The career military officer, who supported the U.S.-backed Taliban resistance against Soviet occupation during the 1980s, called the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan "unjust" and said he sees legitimacy in the Afghan insurgency against Western forces. "This is a national resistance movement. It should be recognized as such," he said. "They are Mujahedeen of Afghanistan as they were during the occupation of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union."

The attacks of September 11 were a pretext to a war already under consideration, Gul said. "I think some of the neocons, who were very close to President [George W.] Bush, they wanted that he could embark on a universal adventure of Pax Americana, and they thought that the world was lying prostrate in front of them," he said. The 2001 terrorist attacks helped win the public support for the neocon plans, he said.

There was no legitimate reason for the United States to attack Afghanistan, Gul said, because the FBI had no solid evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in the attacks on New York and Washington. "Why has not a single individual connected to 9/11 been caught in America so far, and why hasn't Osama bin Laden been charged?" With no evidence anyone in Afghanistan was involved, there is no way to legitimize the U.S. occupation, Gul said.

The hunt for al-Qaeda does not justify the almost 9-year-old war either, because the global terrorist movement has moved on, Gul said. "The American strategists, the military thinkers, have got to wake up to the reality that al-Qaeda has succeeded in exhausting, drawing out into the wrong direction, to the wrong place, all the allied forces," Gul said, citing Yemen, Somalia and Africa. "For al-Qaeda the center of gravity all along was the Middle East."

The United States and its allies won't win the war in Afghanistan, said Gul, who referred to U.S. NATO allies as "pallbearers." Supply lines through Pakistan are shaky, said Gul, who blamed U.S. ally India for contributing to his country's destabilization. Combined with what Gul termed poor U.S. intelligence and a home-field advantage for the Taliban, it all adds up to a losing combination for the United States in his estimate. "Time is on the side of the resistance," he said.

"In such a situation, to hope to win would be absolutely hare-brained," Gul said. He expressed concern the U.S. military would never be willing to admit defeat. "I would advise President Obama - please, do not listen to your military, because militaries have [the] unfortunate tendency never to accept their defeat. They will say if we receive more proceeds, if we receive more logistics, if we receive more funds, then we will be able to overcome. This is a psychological problem."

The only solution would be peace negotiations with Taliban leader Mullah Omar, not with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Gul concluded. "There is only one man who can give the guarantee that there will be no terrorism exported from Afghanistan," Gul said. "Don't talk to Karzai; he's a puppet."

Omar represents the entire insurgency, Gul said. "There are other factions of resistance fighters coming under the banner of Mullah Omar." Scale down goals, negotiate with Omar, then move on and out of Afghanistan, was Gul's advice to the United States.

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  1. hybridrogue1

    I have nothing to say except that this is one of the most idot filled blogs I have ever seen, what a bunch of locker room bullshumit. \\ll//

    August 9, 2010 at 6:52 am | Report abuse |
  2. sameer

    Yeah, we have the actual terrorist on ground and sympathizers in civilized world. The gorilla tactics adopted by terrorist is to melt into crowd at the slightest provocation, and sympathizers around cry ho@rse about innocent victims which incl. terrorist. Nice strategy, keep it up.

    August 8, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Joseph McCarthy

    I wish that all these right-wing fools would only stop blubbering their ignorance and just shut up for a change.It only proves just how dumbed down the public has become,thanks to the right-wing thugs in Washington.

    August 7, 2010 at 1:20 am | Report abuse |
  4. Onesmallvoice

    I guess all the NATO troops will get excited now upon seeing this photo!

    August 7, 2010 at 12:55 am | Report abuse |
  5. Chaz

    GREAT FILM! This should be shown to everyone on the planet at least once.

    August 6, 2010 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      Chaz,are you really that demented or are you just a Tea Partier?Your comment here is quite disgusting!

      August 7, 2010 at 12:53 am | Report abuse |
  6. Jerry

    All this right-wing ignorance and Tea Party lingo plus this disgusting photo being posted by Evan Mark here is enough to make even a billie-goat want to puke.There really should be a law against all of this mumbo-jumbo!!!

    August 6, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
  7. USMC forever

    I apologize for using that Tea Party lingo.I don't know what's got into me.I guess that these right-wing idiots just got me all fired up.Maybe I should quit paying attention to them,the Tea Partiers.These people are a bunch of right-wing loonies and that's that!!!!!

    August 6, 2010 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Travis

      I thank you for your apologies.Maybe some people will wise up after reading them,I hope.

      August 6, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • USMC Forever

      This retard is stealing my screen name, everyone know when the real USMC Forever speaks, for he gets to the point.

      August 9, 2010 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
  8. George Patton

    Evan,will you stop posting this horrific picture here?Are you trying to whip up a right-wing lynch-mob frenzy among the public? What's wrong with you?I wish you'd cut it out!

    August 6, 2010 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Evan Mark

      Grow up. My nine year old niece sees worse than this daily. If YOU think it's bad, imagine how bad it is for those in Afghanistan.

      August 7, 2010 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
  9. kenergy599

    Defense contractors are laughing all the way to the bank because of these phony wars.

    August 6, 2010 at 6:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • George Patton

      Quite true,kenergy599.You nailed it good!!!

      August 8, 2010 at 8:13 am | Report abuse |
  10. JasonD

    The ex-head of the very agency that wired 100 thousand dollars to Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of 911 destruction, is being asked to give his view on this topic. Pursuing its zeal for destroying India Pakistan has become a terrorist supermarket and ISI, with mr. Gul, right at the cash counter.

    August 6, 2010 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Jat

    Grow-up you fools

    August 6, 2010 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Jat

    Another forum for laid-off Desis to B slap each other.
    Nice going morons

    August 6, 2010 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
  13. gypski

    I agree with USMC Forever, the Devil Dogs are going to kick some ass and take names and end the barbaric, antiquated Sharia Law promoted by the oppressor Taliban and also being aided and abetted by Karzi. Freedom for the Afghan people and we come home. Semper Fi.

    August 6, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Daniel-2

      And i hope you enjoy it (not)

      August 6, 2010 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • gypski

      The only one who is going to need Preparation H is Gul after the stump breaking he gets by the Marines and other US elements. 😉

      August 6, 2010 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
  14. DR

    Of course he would say that: he IS the Taliban.... The Taliban wants the Allies to make peace, and give them control of the Afghan government (more than they already do, that is...). Colour me surprised!!!

    August 6, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Praful Shah

    Ending the Afghanistan war and terrorism has very easy solution but do US and its allies have guts / balls? The western nations have to do is warn Pakistan they will impose sections if it do not stop supporting terrorism. These sanction should have teeth and similar to Iran.

    The Pakistani army may big but it cannot match US strength. The Pakistani military needs to be neutered and brought under civilian control and in line. Pakistani army can call shots on Pakistani civilian government but not on the entire world. Stop all aids and trades. Therefore freeze all financial accounts of Pakistani Army & politicians. Stop granting the visa to all Pakistani Army & politicians. Stop import / export of all items to Pakistan.

    If this does not get results, have navel / air blockade of Pakistan. I will bet my last dollar this will get results in months. Let world see how big Pakistani military have balls and their pride joy nuclear bombs.

    It is the west that has pampered and spoiled Pakistan.

    August 6, 2010 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jat

      WoW and you came up with all that by yourself 🙂

      August 6, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Blessed Geek

    A man whose country is at odds with Afghanistan, and trying their best to destabilize Afghanistan, is saying on behalf of Afghanistan, and attempting to prove that he represents the people of Afghanistan. He would be like Putin claiming to be a proud New Yorker.

    August 6, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anabel

      Succinct and well put.

      August 6, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Liborio Guaso

    American don't try win the war, the gool is kill million of people.

    August 6, 2010 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • USMC Forever

      Retard, is that a sentence?????? Whats that, what is your @ss saying????

      August 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bledsoe

      The American goal here is to crush Islam and gain control of the whole region and don't let any right-wing fool kid you to the contrary and don't fall for that right-wing bla-bla-bla about NATO helping the Afghan people.It just isn't so!!!

      August 6, 2010 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Right-Wing Thug

        Says you.

        August 9, 2010 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
  18. azran

    like it or not, gul has a very good point here, the strategy is not working there, both military and economic, taliban getting stronger everyday, and karzai is a puppet. what strategy is left to win there? btw, russians had been using the same strategy when they are there, im not suprised it doesnt work there. if the afghans really support karzai's and Nato, taliban wouldn't have a scrap chance to survive even for a day.10 years is way to long for nothing, let's just admit defeat and move on to other pressing issues,like economy and global tht's weopens of mass destruction to me.

    August 6, 2010 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Smith in Oregon

    Pakistan's ISI Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul met with the Bush administration in a week long series of face to face meetings 7 days before the 9/11 attacks took place in Washington DC. He left Washington DC after meeting them on the morning of the 9/11 attacks. Pakistan's ISI Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul appears linked to the very man that is alleged to have wire transfered large amounts of money to the 9/11 attackers in Florida from Pakistan.

    Pakistan's ISI Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul certainly knows a great deal more than the American people do and especially more than the American people have ever been told. When a man of this statue and background tells the American and World public the War in Afghanistan is a lost cause, it is likely very accurate. Pakistan appears unwilling to go into Waziristan and destroy the Islamic Emerate there. I seriously doubt Pakistan would willingly permit America to invade Waziristan themselves and do that. As long as Pakistan can pour it's Taliban fighters out of Waziristan into Afghanistan to weaken the Karzai government, it is rather hopeless.

    August 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Army is bad news

    F this retard, screw it this is WAR pull out all the stops and nuke these cavebast***ds. Lets show this leader of terrorists how WAR can be ugly, screw rules and fairness lets just kill these rat F*****s!!!!

    August 6, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |

      YABBA-DABBA-DOO. Me too.

      August 6, 2010 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • USMC forever

      Will cut the right-wing crap,Army is bad news.You know it isn't true!

      August 6, 2010 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Bapidada

    Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul talks sense... thus it would be unacceptable to the US!

    August 6, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Rick Barber

    I sure would like to know who is supplying arms to the Taliban. India, The USA, Other NATO countries, Russians?? Why is CNN, FOX, other media and the world not talking about this? The decent and peace loving people of USA and NATO must wake up to this horrible injustice.

    August 6, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • USMC forever

      Hey,Rick.If the Americans are such a peace loving people,why do so many of them support this unnecesarry and obscene war? And why are so many of them joining the Tea Party Movement?Thet seem to more war loving than peace loving and filled with right-wing mumbo-jumbo fed to them by the right-wing media.

      August 6, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Real USMC Forever

        I am the real USMC Forever, this stinkin Paki stole my call sign but it cool. I say just keep on killing these pigs. Right now we are killing them 10 pigs to 1 NATO Forces. Everyone should know who I am. The real USMC Forever is a true man not some punk who has no balls to use his own call sign and spread his filth. DEATH TO ALL PAKIS!!!!!

        August 10, 2010 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
  23. abolhasan

    The general is spot on. US and allies are facing a lose lose situation.

    August 6, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Pushtoon

    United SA and United SSR suffer da same fate, taliban are just a scapegoat!

    August 6, 2010 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Andrew Lubin

      Well put,Pushtoon.

      August 7, 2010 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
  25. David

    Right on the spot!!! Every day his predictions are becoming more evident. The biggest mistake, after the mistake of attacking a poor country and raping its nation, was to give india a free hand in its dirty game against Pakistan, and that is a sucide that Nato has committed. Now is the consequence time. The solution, pack the bags and leave the region!!!

    August 6, 2010 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Air Force Strong

      You sure nailed it,David!!!My hat's off to you!!!

      August 6, 2010 at 11:23 am | Report abuse |
      • Travis

        I second that! I couldn't have put it better myself.I thank both of you for your comments!

        August 6, 2010 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
      • Michael

        wow.....David/Air Force Strong/Travis.....nice names.. whatz ur real ones-> Mohammed and Ali..........Porkistan is finished....largest exporter of terrorists in the world...USA get ready...ur going to be in there pretty soon.

        August 6, 2010 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • subramani

      Pakistan as a nation will continue to be a problem for the peace of the world unless all the Maddarasas and its Mosques are freed and reformed and the FLOW OF THE PETRO DOLLARS FROM THE OIL RICH NATIONS be contained.Until we make an alternate energy source in place of fossil fuels the world has to live with these species.

      August 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Deandra

        If time is money you've made me a weliather woman.

        October 2, 2011 at 5:11 am | Report abuse |
      • ejaxnml

        kQjiSB oumsmaoztwpm

        October 2, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Theo

      I like Curry – Who ever heard of Afghanistan food?

      August 7, 2010 at 12:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      David, I second you. you hit the spot. I have been following Gul for past 5 years and his opinions have been 100% right about the region and strategy.
      Afghanistan is again being used as a proxy battle ground b/w India and Pakistan with world powers USA and Russia supporting India and China supporting Pakistan. Since India has nothing to do in Afghanistan and is acting as a spoiler in this lost cause.

      August 7, 2010 at 6:39 am | Report abuse |
  26. bystander

    The problem with not providing military aid is that Pakistan will not have money for fightling the taliban and to be perfectly hosnet this is not Pakistan's war. thousands of Pakistani soldiers have lost their lives and still no one recognises this. Is it becase a non-european or american life is worth less – it sure feels that way.
    There were no attacks on Pakistan prior to the afghan war. Now more people have died any Pakistan compared to American lives – thousands killed by taliban and hunderds by american bombs.
    Someone should "investigate" who is supplying weapons to the taliban as this was raised by a news reporter and Pakistani military at a press conference in Pakistan when hilary clinton visited Pakistan – the weapons being used by taliban are american! Obviously no straight answer was given by Mrs Clinton.

    August 6, 2010 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Neo

      That is true. There are no attacks on Pakistan before 911. Thats because those attackers are busy huddling in their tiny little shacks plotting against the rest of the world. Now, after 911, spineless Pakistan government made a U-Turn against their own invention (bad for Pakistan but good for rest of the world, Pakis need to commend GWBush for this one thing: Either you are with us or with them). Anyway, now the Frankenstein is out of control and wants to destroy its own master. So, the # of attacks outside Pakistan decreased proportionally with a greater proportion of attacks being done in Pakistan itself. It's unfortunate that civilians are being killed by American bombs, but there is very little you can do when those civilians are used as protection by Taliban.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rakhi

      Wake up from day dreaming Azran. Even your dreams seem to be quite highly imaginative. Wake up to the reality.

      August 6, 2010 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |