Your view: Are the documents a national security threat?
WikiLeaks.org, a whistleblower website, published on Sunday what it says are about 76,000 U.S. military and diplomatic reports about Afghanistan filed between 2004 and January of this year. (15,000 more will be added after editing out names to protect people.)
The United States "strongly condemned" their release, Pakistani officials dismissed the contents as lies, and the Afghan government expressed amazement.
National Security Adviser Gen. James Jones issued a statement Sunday calling the documents' release "irresponsible." "The United States strongly condemns the disclosure of classified information by individuals and organizations which could put the lives of Americans and our partners at risk, and threaten our national security," the statement said.
Julian Assange, the founder of the website, denies that WikiLeaks has put troops in danger. "There have been prosecutions because of material being on WikiLeaks. There have been legislative reforms because of material being on WikiLeaks," he said. "What has not happened is anyone being physically harmed as a result." But he said he hoped his website would be "very dangerous" to "people who want to conduct wars in an abusive way."
What do you think? Some have praised the site as a beacon of free speech, while others have criticized it as a threat to national security. Should the documents be posted? Why or why not? Add your comment below.
Trust Pakistan.. now that is an oxymoron !!! We give these guys billions of dollars in aid and what do they do – shoot us behind our back. All the major terror attacks in the world have ties to Pakistan and that is where most of the attacks are also funded from.
This whole thing is a hoax!! If the source is not known how can this stack of pages be authenticated??
Our Enemy don't know are care whether they are true!!! They will use it against us either way...
Wow a lot of hot air flying around here. For us old timers this resembles Vietnam era pentagon papers. Although I'm not happy about their publication because I do think they put some of our young soldiers at risk, this is what a free press and democracy is all about. For better or worse wars are terrible and everyone knows this when you read these logs. The issue is what to do now. Do we walk away and the Taliban take over, make women walk with leashes and force them to be illiterate, and allow Bin Laden a hero's welcome? Do we find some way to do it right? Is there a right way to do war? I will admit I just don't know. But thoughtful people need to put their heads together and make a decision.
The fact that they refuse to say where they got these docs or how they got them makes me believe they have something to hide. This is not 'whistle blowing' to reveal something that is illegal. They should be investigated to the fullest extent and if they obtained these docs illegally, then go to jail. Or better yet, go to Iraq.
Thanks for puttiing our troops in more jeopardy than they are already in. You should all be tried for treason.
I bet most of you have never had to stand up and kick-in. Your freedoms in this have been bought and paid for by far better men and women than you. Some of them were and are my friends and relatives. Yes mistakes have been made; but note that mistakes are made in every war and the innocent unfortunately suffer with the guilty. As for the people that leaked classified information. If they are appended, their citizenship should be taken from them. They should become people without a country adrift in the world.
you people need to stop arguing with each other and over pointless politics. this is exactly what they want you to do... be distracted. open your eyes to what's really going on here. staged cyber terrorism in the name of national security to simply filter the internet. don't believe me, look at china. do your research and quit complaining about nonsense
I am a loyal American citizen, but I think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are wrong, wrong, wrong.
I think it is vile and cruel that American men and women in our armed forces have had to die and be horribly maimed to try and change the mind of those people dominated and influenced by the hatred spewed forth to Muslims via Al Qaeda, Bin Laden, and the Taliban.
These are the type of wars that CANNOT be won. Anyone with a brain knew that at the inception of both wars. That our stupid military leaders couldn't figure that out is horrifying! That our congressional leaders couldn't figure that out is just as sickening.
I hate what our country has done out of stupidity and hubris. We should keep our damned nose out of other countries' business. We should have simply targeted Al Queda, Bin Laden, and the Taliban and done what the Israelis did to Nazi war criminals - covert assasinations. If we'd done that with 1/2 the efficiency of the Israelis, many more, if not all, of freedom's enemies, radical Islamists, would be dead!
Would you rather have them there are have them here??? They attacked Us before we Attacked them!!!
The inescapable conclusion is that the USA is financing all sides of the conflict in Afghanistan.
It is the American made surface to air missiles that are bringing down the US helicopters, it is the American made bullets that are killing our boys and it is American money bribing Afghan commanders-($100,000) –notice-not yen, or pounds or rubles-but U$ DOLLARS!!! Money printed by our treasury!!!
If National Security = Profits by the American arms dealers – then WikiLeaks threatens “National Security”
Are you saying that the United States is the only Country that has that Arms to be sold??? If that was true it be easy to stop all wars... By stopping this Country from making Weapons!!! But Russia, China, Korea and other Countries makes them too!!! They are the ones selling the supplies to Our enemies...
Trying this one more time .... has anyone else noticed that the Wikileaks website has been SHUT DOWN?
Who Cares??? The word is already out!!!
The leaks merely confirm what people have already suspected. There's nothing new hear.
"The conservatives see man as a body freely roaming the earth, building sand piles or factories—with an electronic computer inside his skull, controlled from Washington. The liberals see man as a soul freewheeling to the farthest reaches of the universe—but wearing chains from nose to toes when he crosses the street to buy a loaf of bread." – Ayn Rand
TO the religious wackos on this board... lighten up.. we're not interested in your ancient BS. This is about a spy. Not the primitive instinct to believe in fables and gossip because someone wrote the into a book you read.
Save it for your day, what ever that is.. Sunday, Saturday, or whatever. Keep it to yourselves. It's boring.
Don't you know these Religious Freaks bring religion in everything involved!!! Why do you think the World is so messed up???
ricardo.. You may not know this but in your posts you contradict yourself. You appear to be trying to send a message of tolerance while at the same time sending some cryptic, narrow anti US message of hate.
Pick one, then STFU.
The man is a SPY.
Stop all commerce with Sweden.
Have the spy sent here.
Jail him.
It's that simple. We do it with Russia, China and even Israel.
He's just a successful spy. Go get him.
If He Is A Spy... He deserves to be executed!!!
Julian, why don't you do this for the Taliban too. I wonder how they would respond to you?
If one peace keeping soldier is killed because of this, regardless of what country, then these people should be held accountable for being so iresponsible.
Peace keeping?? What in the world makes you think this is about peace keeping?
We are trying to stop People from being killed all over the World!!! If that isn't a PEACE keeping People who is??? Surely not Our Enemy!!!
Hey – We Americans are paying for these wars with capital and blood. We deserve to know the truth about these conflicts involving our U.S. military. I am from the Vietnam War era and we all know how that turned out with censored and controlled flow of information.
There are a lot of things going on in the War we don't need to know!!! We have lived without the truth so far as it is best We never really know the truth unless you were there fighting there... Because they are the ones that know the real truth about wars!!!
The person or people responsible for this 'leaked' information should be found, charged and serve time for treason to the USA.
Any country that finds the truth to be a threat to its security has some serious problems.
My my. Such a broad statement. Who knew that having nothing to hide would have more value than staying ahead of the people trying to kill us.
#1 This is treason. The Wikileak organization received the information from a US soldier who had access to classified information. That soldier should be hanged like the laws of treason are written. #2 Wikileak release twisted video of a group of people being shot at and killed in Iraq. They represented and edited it to make it seem like it was innocent civilians, but on further research and with sound the truth showed that the US military act with the rules of engagement and the individuals were terrorists. For those that think this will not stoke the terrorists propoganda think again. The terrorists will not fact check and try to see all sides. They will take this and turn around to some Afgan kid and say, "see the US and Nato are evil. You must commit to jihad." and so the saga will continue and our soldiers with be at higher risk because some foreign guy has a problem with the US and will lie to get attention. When are people going to learn that context matters? This is a disaster.
I see nothing that threatens national security or our troops in the field. Just the opposite if you think about it –it depicts our country putting the troops at risk for political reasons. If Pakistan is aiding the Taliban, double dealing, and providing sancutary for insurgents, we need to call them on it -no more aid – and hit them hard. Afghan is looking more and more like Vietnam where we asked our soldiers to fight an insurgency with 2 hands tied behind their backs If we cannot wage a war to win it, the troops need to be pulled out. Right now, our white house is acting stupidly as is our State Department. We look impotent as a nation. We have no business in Afghanistan – GET OUT NOW
I agree completely. Thank you.
how would you know what can and can not??? Were You trained to understand everything about what was on it??? I'm sure the Enemy was!!!
The fact that this 'top secret" stuff is even available to those who would consider spreading it around shows what a leaky boat we are in. We need to fix that aspect of our military short comings along with the other problems. What would we do in a real war, when all our enemies have to do to find out our secrets is watch CNN?
It's not our job (nor the press nor wikileaks, nor the republicans/democrats, nor some random commentator) to
a) determine if these are inded sensitive
b) determine the consequences of release
c) determine the ramifications
d) determine if there are signs or war crimes from the skewed data
This is the job of the government and military apparatus. We pay them to do this. The stuff is not revealed for a reason. They understand the reasons. if you don't trust them vote them out. The action as it stands would appear to be treason to me.
Amen To That!!!
While I think what the website has done is wrong, unfortunately there is not a whole lot we can do about it because (if I understand this correctly) it is an Australian based site. However, the people who leaked this information need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law underneath the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Their actions were treasonous and they knowingly and willingly stole United States military property (I believe information falls underneath the category of intellectual property). Because of this, our future war effort is now going to be hampered and damaged by the publics willful misinterpretation of this information. I have seen this before. They will nitpick and focus on bits and pieces and not the overall picture. Speaking as a former Marine, the traitors who stole this information and released it have now jeapordized aspects of our national security and depending on the information released, possible security and safety of the men and women involved in the struggle over there. So while I do not think they should be executed, I think they certainly need to be rounded up and given hard-time busting rocks with a sledgehammer for the next 10 years.
Did all these posters read anything on the website? I can't even get to the main page because it's so busy.
I think it's great! Leak away! I for one want to know what's going on. What our crooks and liars are up to!!!
Wikileaks is a bunch of junk. I imagine he/they were paid quite well for what they did.
*sigh* Besides the fact that Wikileaks is not a US owned or operated site – therefore treason is off the table (read before you blindly post) – take a look at some of the reports on the site. Oh, and BTW – the first US president committed treason; that's why there *IS* a US. Be careful tossing that word around. Let history make the judgment.
Some of the civilian deaths reported on the site are appalling. Women, some pregnant, killed and injured at a wedding celebration – due to coalition forces missing the target. As horrific as that is, I am well aware that is a possibility in war. The question to ask is, are we there for the right reasons? Should we be there at all?
One of the best jokes in "The Princess Bride" was, "You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'...". You would think that after Vietnam, after the USSR tried and failed in Afghanistan for 10 years...
...I leave the end of that sentence as an exercise for the reader.
When ever you give out information that is not suppose to be given out... It is treason!!!
Kudos to wikileaks.org great job!
WikiLeaks is essential to freedom. We need more sites like this.
We need less Idiots like You is what we need!!!
WikiLeaks is a disgrace. What they have done is place soldiers and marines in danger while not really giving out any more knowledge than we already had. We've known for a long time that we can't trust the Pakistanis, that the Taliban has been resurgent and that civilians have been wounded or killed by both Taliban and Nato forces. The reports I have heard have said that all of the material leaked was "Secret" or below which means that all WikiLeaks has done is make fighting the abusers of women and others who don't agree with their hateful and intolerant religious views that much more difficult.
The truth shall set you free
Who's Truth Yours???
It's great that everyone has some opinion. The truth is that likely the "whistleblower" was not even supposed to have this likely top secret information so crime number one was just to have it in their possesion. Crime number two was to pass it along to another unauthorized person. Even though it may not legally be one, Crime 3 was to publish the info maybe jeopardizing our troops and other military issues that have nothing to do with anything "bad". Wikileak saw an opportunity for controversy, publicity and took it without regard America. My country may not always be right but, IT'S MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG!
Withholding this kind of information is the real threat. Having more information and knowing the truth will protect us from being mislead. WikiLeaks is keeping us safe.
Your an idiot. This is information that should be kept inhouse. I don't even slightly care what it proves or who it implicates. You should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting that this POS website is keeping you safe. How the hell is this helping? These morons have jepordized the free air your breathing any way you look at it. You clearly have no idea what has been sacrificed for your freedom to SPEAK. So go ahead and speak your mind, and maybe something might fall out of the sky and hit you on the head.
Since your grammar and spelling are so poor, I suspect your IQ is rather low as well.
April, do you know what idot mean? Look into the mirror and you will know...Idot
Good post,Barnaby!
May You Please tell us how??? Especially when ewe still have troops there!!!
Be thankful. Maybe it pushes the war to closure. The leaks do not jeopardize US/UK soldiers it does make them accountable though. There is nothing brave about killing innocent civilians. We simply cannot become the enemy
...if we do we lose. Pakistan and Iran are helping the Taliban and Al Quaeda. Pakistan does this to get more funding,Iran just to irritate the US. The US simply needs to make them more accountable. The press which includes wikileaks keeps our governments in check. Be thankful.
Anyone notice the Wikileaks website has been shut down? Welcome to China ....
This is TREASON. It puts soldiers ingreater danger. People like these that "BLOG" and think they are so cool are really selfcentered jerks. Put them in a position of live or die and they would wimper like the cowards they are.
Nonsense - this information endangers no one and shows us what morons our leaders are to keep us where we should never have gone in the first place. Unfortunately we can't seem to vote the morons out of office - they are all morons.
Yelp...those in DC are morons....they send out young man and woman to kill innocents and destory families and claim moral high ground...vote them out of office....
That is where you are wrong... It is hurting those Fighting to keep that Country free from Tarriest!!!
Freedom Freedom: Have You Ever Been In The Military??? How Old Are You??? If You Haven't... You have no right to say what is right and what is wrong about this War!!! Because you don't know what you are talki8ng about...
Pvt. Manning is his name, he should be held for treason. The people who are doing this are trying to bring us down. Never happen whack job. Tell us all where you're at, we'll be there. If its a landing in Texas, every man,woman and child will be there to defend our nation. Same with California,Florida,Wyoming just anywhere. WE WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS. This website should be banned from American computers. They are guilty of conspiracy to commit treason. Anyone with them should be shown the door and none too politely. I'm getting tired of the people who enjoy the freedoms our men fight for trying to stick a knife in our belly. Don't know about you but I'm sick of it. GET OUT if this is your strategy.......
May God Bless Wikileaks and all who sail in her. Facilities such as Wikileaks are the bane of criminals in positions of power, and provide fuel for the engine of true democracy, by providing vital information to we the people (who?) in how *our tax dollars* are being misspent to featherbed the "croneyocracy" of the military-industrial-entertainment-media complex.
The current obsession with "national security" is a fear based propaganda campaign spun up by the military/security/intelligence community, endorsed by corporate media weasel brigade, to invoke a false sense of patriotism amongst a sizable section of the US population in the same way that other rogues of the past (including Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Saddam, Idi Amin, etc etc etc) have also invoked the old "national security" chestnut to manipulate and deceive their own people.
One day in the near future, critical mass will be achieved, the penny will drop nationwide, and we the people will take matters into our own, very capable hands. The future of our great (and potentially far greater) nation depends absolutely on a huge, major shake up.
What are you one of the Tarriest??? Because that is who benefits from the information now!!! How can you hate the Troops so much that is fighting for Freedom of People all over the World??? Because These Tarriest are killing People all over the World!!!
It's a crime to say the least, now knowing on paper that our Govt. and its Administration, being allied with Pakistan, knowingly knew that their Secret Service was engaging in meetings with those responsible for thousands of our soldiers deaths. Call it what you want, I don't see President Obama seeking any ones resignation over this incident. So much for the TRUST.
We can start up a new policy that would target outsider national threats. Look out AUS you're next.
I bet Pakistan has/had Bin Laden and Zawahiri in custody and is exhorting lots of $$$ from us
They in the safe haven of Bush and Cheney's house!!!
Not only do I believe that the person that leaked the files should be tried for treason, but the operators/owners of the web sites should be considered as spys and the appropriate actions should be taken to silence them, whether through some diplomatic efforts or through covert operations.
Wikileaks is the best thing to happen to free speech since the Bill of Rights. Governments of world, you have been put on notice: you will behave morally or you will be exposed. And there has not been any info published here that puts our troops in danger or endangers our national security so just stop regurgitating lies.
I wonder if you would feel like that if you were there fighting the War??? You have nothing to lose by it do you???
The truth should be a good thing.... When the truth is not justifiable one treads a shady path... Everyone, soldier or not, should be able to answer for his/her actions.
Thus the danger of religion which removes the responsibility of the individual and places it in the will of a deity. A person who can sleep with bloodied hands frightens me, but the one who wipes them off on a cloth and believes he wakes up clean is more dangerous by far.
Having the Truth come out now doesn't do anyone any good but the Enemy!!! After the War is over would be soon enough for that... How do you expect Justice to be served while it is still going on???
Of course these leaks are a threat to national security, but why the outrage now. The media and liberals celebrated this stuff when Bush was President.
If there are truths about 'War Crimes" even our Countries must be held responsible. The problem with wars is the public doesn't know what's going on. This is a new age of information. The people of the world must know if any government is acting in a unacceptable manner, period. We perceive the enemy as evil, what if evils are done by our troops?!?!?
If there are war Crimes... The time to do anything about it is after the war is over!!! Not while the war is still going on... If anyone should have War Crimes against them are Bush Jr and Cheney!!!
During World War II, leaking this kind of information would have brought the death penalty.
Free speech is nothing more than opinion without free access to information. The stuff on wikileaks today does not threaten national security–it was simply classified to prevent US citizens from learning the truth about this war. It is like the false reports that Army Corporal Pat Tillman was killed by hostile file or like the reports that Afghan taxi driver died of a heart attack (In fact his legs were pulpified by being beaten with M16 butts while he hung from the ceiling of our prison at Bagram). Sunshine is the best disinfectant. I am sending $100 bucks to wikileaks today.
It is Classified because it is information we don't want Our Enemy to get!!! Not to keep it from the American People... Please tell Me what good would it be to the People to know it??? Will it make a difference in the out come of the War???
Julian Assange has posted the truth but yet people are actually calling for his death? Unfortunately these comments seem like mostly insane right wingers who feel anything should be allowed in war. Personally I do not even consider Afghanistan a war.
The first comment by Roy seems to me the ideals of a extremist. He is no better then the "radical" Muslims he hates.
How are publicizing videos of our troops gunning down reporters going to compromise our national security? The government couldn't care less about national security, they just want to cover their tracks. Wikileaks is a breathe of fresh air in a world full of cover-ups and classified bureaucracies. Keep up the good work, Julian.
It appears US and NATO troops are guilty or very suspected of various war crimes against the Afghanistan people. Even the utterly corrupt Harmid Karzai repeatedly charged that CIA special op's had numerous midnight raids which directly resulted in the slaughter of large numbers of Afghanistan women and children.
When the Russian soldiers occupied Afghanistan, they also specifically targeted the Afghanistan children. It appears the CIA and some Special Op's units are doing the same thing. During the Russian occupation it was found if a Afghani child had their leg blown off or was severely injured, the adult men in that family would stay home to tend to their severely injured children rather than take up arms in the Taliban Occupation Resistance fighter movement.
The Russians poured out toy's that exploded upon contact and millions of plastic butterfly shaped land mines filled with a liquid explosive and fully capable of blowing a leg of anyone that stepped on them.
As in the war in Vietnam, the livestock across Afghanistan has undoubtedly been shot and slaughtered by depraved and callous US and NATO troops on the ground and from in the air. It is difficult if not impossible to learn how wide spread that is in Afghanistan. It is just as important however to understand that is occurring and not allow the US Military complex to stifle news of US and NATO war crimes against the Afghanistan people.
How can they be war crimes when they are killing Our Troops???
We should track who ever leaked the info and check our security that let this happen. Our information is out and it will be used against us. God help us all.
I think Anna has a great point that not being addressed by anyone in the media and that's how did this information get out? Granted the info itself is bad but the real question is how did it get out?
I Doubt We Will Ever Find Out That Answer!!!
I have a suggestions for all of you in favor of this war – ENLIST!!! It's easy to be in favor when you're sitting on your a$$ in front of a computer.
Boocat, I joined the US Marines and served for 18 years as a Marine Corps officer and I'm all in favor with destroying this enemy before we leave! I say drop the big one and end it now.
How can you expect those that never served to understand where we are coming from???
Why is this pos still breathing???
"classified information" Pakistan`s ISI have supported the Taliban since the Russians where driven out of Afghanistan. We have NO chance of winning over the populace in Afghanistan so why are we there? To forcefully occupy Afghanistan to what end?
What People like you don't understand... If we can get The People of Afghanistan to take care of themselves!!! We are the winner of the War... We are not trying to take over the Country!!! We are trying to get the Country take care of themselves!!!
Not treason in my view. It's about time the truth came out about this lousy war. Afghanistan is a quagmire and it CANNOT BE WON!!!! All of our troops should be brought home NOW!!!! Everytime the FEDS don't like something, they want to call it treason. Nixon went nuts when the Pentagon Papers were released and next thing you know, he's pulling us out of Vietnam. I'm tired of my tax money paying for stupid wars. This country can't do anything but declare war. Our educational system sucks. Our healthcare system sucks. The country's entire infrastracture sucks. But we sure know how to bomb the hell out of everyone around the world.
Our Health Care System today is better than We ever had!!! It might not be perfect... But it is a start!!! Now if the Republicans are voted out it will get better as the other stuff Obama has had passed so far...
It's about time the SHEEPLE of the US learn the TRUTH about their corrupt and secretive government!! This wasn't a LEAK it was an EXPOSURE OF THE TRUTH!!!
As long as the Rich run this Country there will be corruption in this Country!!! Even when the People vote for change... The 2 percent fights us and wins and We never get the change... We had it with the Bush Jr election and are having it now after This Election!!! Until the People wake up to the truth... The wrongs will keep on happening!!!
I commend the Founder of WikiLeaks.org! The ONLY Mission he is on is to tell the WORLD the TRUTH! At least he has a set to speak his mind and put the REAL info out there! Think about it! We, the American People, are put in the dark about everything, and I seriously mean everything! Not only are we ordered to shut the heck up, we are also harassed and threatened by the CIA when things like this happen. I would not doubt it one single bit if the Founder is currently being threatened with his life by the CIA or their black ops! The secret organization that is run by the CIA which no one even knows about and only speculate about, even though there are MANY of us that know of this secret group. America has and always will be 'seeking world dominance' and this is how they do it! I'm sure that is NOT what Benjamin Franklin and the rest of our forefathers had wanted or planned when they made the Declaration of Independence! We are a Nation that was built on immigration and a supposed Freedom yet we have no REAL freedom! Do your own research and figure out the truth for yourselves and stop with the ignorant thinking and behaving! Most Americans think and act in a Mindless way instead of a Mindful way.
I salute you AncientOne and bow to your experience! Keep trying to educate, although it will be most difficult. There are a few of us out here that will listen and respect!
You have that right... If those that were in the Military don't have a right to talk!!! Please tell Who does??? If you never Served... You have no right to bad mouth those of Us that has Served!!!
If you read Legacy od Ashes you know why the world hate US.... Wikileads is doing us a favor...
The World doesn't hate us since Obama took office!!! It is Idiots like You that hate us because You don't understand Why we do What we do!!! It is easy to say what should be done... When if your wrong others suffer because of it!!! But this Country Puts Their finest out there to fight the Wrongs done to This Country and the rest of the World!!! I am Proud to that I was in the Military... I just wish People like You and some Other Politicians would appreciate it more rather than just ignore us like we are never here!!! We deserve a lot more than that... I fight every Sunday in W.L.A. the wrongs that are being done to Our Veterans today!!!
Let's drop Julian Assagne into the middle of Ft. Hood or any other military base and see what reaction he gets. He probably thinks this will get him a pulitzer. I'm not reading a 76,000 page report but aside from a few things that might make some gasp, is there really anything that we HAD to know? It's one thing to blow your wistle on a wrong-doing Wall Street firm or a politician with his/her hand in the register but I would consider this is treasonable, (if not is should be), as others have commented. Is this guy a military stratigist/advisor? Is he part of a governemt think tank? How does he know what helpful information the enemy might gleen off of what he published. Wikileak saw an opportunity to cause a stir and get some publicity. I hope it doesn't come cheap. If you have to get permission from the NFL to "re-broadcast any portion" of their games, (and it seems people respect that), I would think the FEDS could do something similar. Those of NOT crying "treason" must be un-American. Anyone have some realiable and verifiable dirt on Assange? Let's print it and see how he feels. Jerk.
Hay Mr. red, white and blue....Guess what....Wikileaks is an AUSTRALIAN company and the founder is AUSTRALIAN so he could not have committed treason. Like most americans you are too lazy to do a little research and look up the facts.
Well, it's a little embarrasing but I have not read that fact in any news story or posting yet. I would not have thought to lookup the country of origin. That does not make me lazy and why would you generalize all Americans that way? I guess that shows your lack of intelligence and apparent predjudice. If red, white and blue aren't your kind of colors, what are comrade?
Sorry... MOST Americans.
It is Treason know matter what Country you are from!!! He gave out information that Our Enemy can get out to Them... So by doing that it is Treason against the United States Of America!!! The worse part He doesn't even know what part is true and what part might be lies!!! But still He sold it anyhow... Did He Check to see Who His Source really was???
perhaps you didn't understand why that took place in the first place...it's becuase US kill innocent civilians and destroy thousnad's families......how can US calim innocen with all these blood in our hand?
People like you don't understand that innocent People die in wars!!! Are Military People are innocent and they are killing the...! We wouldn't be there today if they didn't attack us in the first place!!!
The TRUTH cannot be suppressed any longer. Keep up the great work, WikiLeaks! When enough Americans are woken up, these pointless wars of corporate dominance will end. Only then can we truly have Liberty!
100% in agreement
The day we stop fighting Evil will be the day that We will not be the Type Of Country we have today!!! We can fight them in Their Country are fight them in Ours... Which would you really rather have???
No they are not a threat on second thought to the security!
"Any country which would give up a little liberty to gain a little security, deserves neither, and will lose both" - Benjamin Franklin
I support Assange and Wikileaks. The government should not keep secrets from us just to propagate it's own intents. They should tell us when they kill civilians. Otherwise, when things like this come out, it makes them look devious and secretive.
I agree Robert! I'm with you Brother! (AncientOne is an American Born, White Female who knows more than the average citizen 🙂 )
Ben might think differently 200 years later. Our forefathers had to adapt to a changing world. You can be a player, a watcher or a prisoner.
Are you saying we should have turn the other cheek rather than go there to make sure it didn't happen again??? What do you think would have happen if we did that with WWII???
Thank you Assange for promoting transparency in the midst of back-to-back hyper-secretive administrations. I just donated to Wikileaks and you should too!
Whoever wrote that letter about "I don't care" should be arrest and interrogated as a right wing extremist and potential terrorist. She is clearly motivated by a psychotic level of religious zeal and racial hatred. Very scary.
America is the offender here; we've invaded sovereign nations and are killing their people....
We should be ashamed of our military and the way they're acting, and should be celebrating the person who was brave enough to leak this information at his own risk!!!
We wouldn't have gone there if they didn't attack us in the first place!!!
How do we get this delusional letter off of the top of the page? We are not at war against Islam, we are at war against the terrorists who perpetrated 911. And they live in ARABIA. So, why aren't people jumping up and down and demanding that we bomb Arabia? It's quite the mystery.
FreedomFreedom: Innocent People die in all wars!!! It is something that can't be helped!!!! Especially when Your Enemy uses them as shield are to kill your troops... They do not fight fair!!! So how do You 3expect Our Troops to fight fair???
We are fighting where Tarriest was born and they are being trained to kill Our People!!! This is a just war other wise why is Other Countries fighting it with Us???
These folks disgust me, this should not be releases, spent 8 years in the Marine Corps. These things should be brought up with DOD or whomever, they can decide to release or not. Releasing us tactics is not good for current troops that are there.
These people need to be shut down
I spent 28 years keeping my mouth shut. This wiki jerk has no morals at all.
SilverHair, by turn a blind eye to civilian killing is the moral act? I wonder where you learn your value...
I spent 6 years in the Army!!! I lose a lot of My Brothers in the Vietnam War... It is My right to tell those that are wrong on here and how they are wrong!!! I don't care what You People think about what I say... I will say my piece anyhow because I did My Part for This Country!!!
Some of you people need to read closely. Wikileaks kept out a small part of information regarding sensitive, current troop locations and plans. The information released will not give away any troop locations, will not hurt anyone fighting over there. It will however, open the eyes of people in the United States, and hopefully end these "wars" for good.
We are not babysitters. The war was won a week or two after it started. This is just the largest construction project in the world.
They shouldn't be giving out any information at all!!!
why should this surprise anyone....we've become a society that has no morals, integrity, honor, respect, love of country, etc. etc. It's all about $$$$. Sounds like this site isn't about "free speech" it's about the MONEY! Then again that's how people are judged nowadays by what they have. Just look at the "so called" elected officials that are in office, do you think their decisions are based on what's good for the country? Hell No!! So if you have ALL politicians in it for the money and or the power and you see a story like this one with the leaks, why should they conduct themselves any different than the audacious behaviour of these politicans.
For those of you cryingtreason; trying to stifle freedom of the press is the real treason at issue here. This is a textbook case of the scenario for which freedom of the press is designed...to bring to light the secrets that governments want to hide, but that informed citizens need to knmow to make informed decisions. As noted, the same voices called treason when the Pentagon Papers were published, but they ended a pathetic and delusional chapter in our nation's history and directly saved lives of American troops and civilians...anyone with eyes to see can view the obvious fact that the warnings of impending doom if we " lost in Vietnam" were completely off the mark, as will be the hallucination of the neocons and their apologists whi think we can remake the Arab Muslin world into a Walmart / McDonalds suburb. It's funny how those who call the exercise of 1st amendment rights treachery are usually the same crybabies who think the second amendment is one of the 10 commandments. Also interesting that those who call truth treachery never hesitate to call our Commander in Chief a traitor, especially if he's a Democrat, and doubly especial if he's black. For the few who've bothered to read this material, there's nothing here that remotely threatens national security or soldiers lives except the feckless and delusional policies that are exposed.
My son is a Marine and as he and so many others fight and sacrifice for this country's freedom we have people who would put their lives in danger by printing information which relates to the war. I say shame on you- if you are so offended by the way the war is being conducted go out and join the armed services and go serve your country instead of criticizing it. If it weren't for our heros in the service who protect each and every day you would not be able to print all of your "leaks". If you can't stand behind the ones who are protecting you then stand in front of them!!!
Dear Josie. By killing civilians and consequently angering the local population, your son and his comrades make their jobs more difficult.
The only way to solve the problem is to acknowledge it.
Your son might or might not be guilty of war crimes himself. But our army as a whole is. If we can't lead by example, then we can't lead, period.
Mr. TA you have no idea what you are talking about. The young men and women serving in Afghanistan are American heroes! They are serving on the front lines of freedom so that idiots like you have the freedom to mouth off your nonsense. I can tell that you never served this country and that you have no idea what it takes to do so. The US military in Afghanistan are not "war criminals". They are great Americans fighting an enemy who stands next to women and children who then shoot at Americans and blame the collateral damage on America. I know you have never had the moral character to serve this country and that's OK but never say that those that do are war criminals! All I ask from you is that make sure you keep paying your taxes so that the brave men and women on the front lines have ammunition to destroy YOUR enemies. You are a disgrace.
Mr. TA.
You are an idiot! Someones child has been called to serve and possibly die so that people like you can spout your drivel. You and your ilk would have us all give up opur rights. Your drivel would get you shot in most of these countries!
Mr. TA, My friend you need to be there to know. Or do you just read what is in the news. If so there is your problem. A while back the Press reported that two mini buses were attack and several civilians were killed. My son a Black Hawk Pilot was dropping of some special forces moments after the attack. Contrary to the Press the vehicles involved were a truck and a SUV. The civilians were hidden under tarps while the Taliban troops were in plain sight.
They are cowards and rather fight the war this way!!! That way others lose Their lives for Them and they benefit from it...
There have been MORE exchanges and hypocrisy in the Obama Administration than any other to this date!
How discouraging is this report to the soldiers out in the field? The soldiers who live in a hot zone– and who literally have heat escalating to over 140 degrees inside their suits–and the American leaders guide the evidence to be leaked when they want it–how they want it–
THE WHOLE IT DEPT LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE AND GOING INTO GOOGLE-WITH ALL THE MILITARY SECRETS GOING TO GOOGLE–WE CAN EXPECT MORE LEAKS–SABOTAGE–AND CORRUPTION AGAINST OUR HOMELAND AND OUR TROOPS IN DAYS AHEAD!
THE CEO OF GOOGLE IS OBAMA'S SPECIAL ADVISOR-
WHO WILL CONTROL ALL SENSITIVE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY–GOOGLE WHO HANDLES EVERY COUNTRY (INCLUDING CHINA)–ASSURING ALL COUNTRIES THEIR INFORMATION WILL BE PLACED IN A SPECIAL LOCATION WITHIN THEIR SYSTEM WHERE NO LEAKS CAN BE PASSED AROUND BETWEEN THE COUNTRIES–
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AMERICA–THIS PETINENT CLASSIFIED INFORMATION WILL NO LONGER BE UNDER THE WHITE HOUSE DOMAIN!
Why are you blaming the White House for the information getting out??? I can Guarantee they are just as sick about it happening as the rest of us are!!! The Chance are more that either the Tea Party are Republicans are the ones that got the leak out... Because they are the ones benefiting from it not the Democrats!!!
WHY DO YOU PEOPLE YELL TO GET YOUR POINT OUT??? DO YOU REALLY THINK IT MAKES IT MORE TRUE IF YOU DO IT THIS WAY???
whatever happened to treason charges for aiding and abbetting the enemy? providing information about our troops- this leaks guy claims not one soldier was injured as a result of his leaks.... I doubt that very seriously. As the Red Queen said...off with his head.
Treason.
I'm retired military and held a high security clearance. I would have gone to jail. What about those who leaked this info?
As a former Marine, I believe they deserve to be shot for committing an act of treason against their country.
Ray, those committed treason are the snake senators and con-gressman voted for the war to send out young man and woman to go and killed human being in other country and turn the world against US
Freedom, Freedom,
I think they were against us on 9/11. We're going over there and getting even.
Ray
They should have Their Trial and killed after wards for leaking it out!!! Especially if He came from another Country!!! They should force Him to tell where He got His information and those People are triad here and if found guilty killed here too!!!
I generally tend to think that information is not a bad thing. I think an organization lying to its citizenry about its involvement is treasonous–especially if the lying puts its great nation at risk. When you cover up the deaths of civilians, you can hide it from the American public and you can prevent condemnation at home and abroad, but for every person you wrongly kill, even if accidently, you just created a large number of enemies because each person has family and friends. You haven't hidden the deaths from them. They know...and they are the people you will be fighting next. None of what I have heard is unexpected or shocking–I think we all pretty much could guess at a lot of this. What I think is criminal is that these things aren't public domain so that we the American people can make decisions based on truth and fact. If the American people won't support a war in which large numbers of innocents are killed or in which we are facing intractable problems, who are the military and our govt to hide these things from us? How can we be an informed citizenry if we aren't informed. Nothing in these reports yet seem sensational to me–they are things we should have known from before. If they are kept from us to keep us artificially supporting this war...well that just seems treasonous to me.
When the information is only one sided it isn't good information!!! There are 2 sides of every story...
Never ever lose sight of the fact that this whole mideast mess was brought on to this country by the greed and evil of acting president cheney and his halliburton buddies. do not blame that poor no-nothing bush. and do not get angry at those who try to bring out the truth.
This war started under Carter when the US embassy was taken over in Iran. We have had terrorist attacks against us ever since. Didn't the culmination on 9/11 mean anything to you? This is a war over ideology.
What do you expect Carter to turn the other cheek??? They attacked us and we went in there to make sure it didn't happen again!!! The problem was we fought them instead of what we are doing now... Then Bush took Our Troops out before it was over!!! That is the problem we never finish the wars we are fighting!!! The only war we fought to the end was WWII...
ultrawhatever, you need a real history lesson...suggested reading....legacy of ashes and economic heatman...then you know why other country dislike US....
Because He Says So!!! If They hate Us... Why are They fighting in Afghanistan with us???
The Iraq War you are right about!!! But the Afghanistan War was started because of Terrarium!!! We have to put a stop to it once and for all... Otherwise more Americans will be killed on Our Home Front!!!
do you, who think Wiki leaks has done this country a big service, think again. You and others who think this is the way to go should be proud that you have helped the enemy kill more of our troops and civilians. We do not go after civilians, the Taliban does. Wake up morons.The site should suffer for their stupidity and for their endangerment they have created for our troops. And for those who think that we are wrong, then why not try to go live in Afghanistan. Maybe then you will know about war. Its easy to criticize from your comfortable easy chair, which is most likely because a soldier at one time protected your freedom so you could sit there and criticize. Wake up America!
This is treason and any web site supporting it is treason as well.
However, we are just wasting lives and money on a country that will never change, so let's get out. We should have never gone there in the first place, other than to kick out the Taliban and any other terrorists, if they take over the government.
The first comment is completely racist. No-one cares about Talibans, but it is illegal and immoral to murder civilians – war or not. Almost ten years on from 9-11 700,000 Americans have died from car accidents, smoking and various other things – do you advocate a war on Detroit? Should we carpet-bomb marlboro country? No – becasue its only OK to kill brown people – no matter what. We are Americans – we are toddlers. Someone hit us and we will continue our tantrum no matter who else gets hurt. I guess the next time a white person murders a non-white all the minorities have the moral right to retaliate against all whites including you and your snotty-nosed kids. They are worth no more than an Afghan child.
As for your list of five –
#1 if he existed would "turn the other cheek" not slaughter indiscriminately
#2 Dies for whats left of the Empire and the Britsih business -not the people.
#3 Dies when the US tells them to
#4 Fights for corporate empire-building
#5 They have soldiers?
Your comments indicate your ignorance as if no other free country has had soldiers die for a free people. And you ignoramuses have been calling the shots for too long which is why we are in this quagmire
Way to go Taliban US Inc.
Good to see the racist card has been played. It is good to know that we are the only racists in the world.
We fight in other Countries so that they don't bring their war here!!! If they didn't attack us... We would have been there today!!!
Funny...wikileaks is down. I wonder why?
not down, overwhelmed, be patient, it is running, I just hit it again to verify, it is 60seconds+ back right now.
Fred, I LOVE wikileads for do us all a favor....tell us this war will never be won...stop the war now and save a few lives
A Brave job, wikileaks, you will have a significant impact on the future. America cannot assume itself to be a power that can win wars through crimes and then show a moral face to the world that they are good and the afghan terrorists are bad. What right do they have to keep trying to establish a secular society if it is done through violence? Arent they fuelling the future terrorists bound to commit greater crimes than 9/11. Gandhi's words come to my mind"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind".
You are saying there are war crimes; specifically, what are they. Civilians being killed in a war, although very sad and unfortunate, does not make it a crime and if those casualties are not reported to the public, that too, does not make it a crime. There are people who think they have a need to know everything that happens everywhere as soon as it happens. That is not reality.
What People doesn't know about what is going on with both sides of the wars is for Their best interest!!! They couldn't handle the truth...
peace and forgivness are the receipt we need now
I can agree with you about the war in Iraq!!! But as far as the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan I don't agree with you on!!! Bush Jr should have keep the troops in Afghanistan instead of starting the Iraq War... If He would have trained the Afghanistan like we are doing now... The war would have been over years ago!!!
Heaven forbid that the citizens of this country should get information on where 60% (or more) of their tax money goes. Where you going to cut THAT Tea Baggers!
Treason? So much for 'Freedom of Information'; The Bill of Rights; Thank you internet. Dwight D. Eisenhower warned of where the military industrial complex was taking us... I hear that train a-coming into the station. It'll arrive when the Federal credit card finally busts... I'd say that old Wahabbist sociopath (Osama) has played this perfect. One big strike – 3,000 casualties and the reactionary foe comes to your turf allowing vast casualty multiples, joins you in repression ideology, and bankrupts itself...
It is not only the war that will bankrupt this Country... Big Business, Oil Companies and the Rich are the ones that are going to do it to us!!! 1- They don't pay their share of taxes for this Country... 2- They rather make the goods where labor is cheap... 3- They ship their cheap good here and charge high prices... 4- They spend their money in other Countries rather than here to save money... 5- It is not made compatible here so that the People here can live on the low wages already made... 6- People are losing their jobs because of them!!! Until we get the Republicans out of office... Things will stay the way it is now!!!
It's about time the evil nature of this war gets reported. This is exactly like Vietnam, killing civilians, abuse of power, endless timeframe without any point but to kill maime and occupy. End this addiction to war now.
YES, peace is what we need. Stop this WAR.
We would love to make PEACE with them!!! But how can you make PEACE with People that wants to wipe you off the face of the earth???
What else can you do when they use children to kill your troops??? Would you rather Our Troops get killed by the Children???
Mr. Larry Valecia,
Jesus Christ do not like the war and will not participate in war.
did you read your bible? if you did, which bible are u ready?
Did He tell you that personally??? Are you saying the the Jews do like war??? Wasn't it the Catholics that started a cruise themselves years ago??? I Thought all Catholic believe in Christ??? So that means they were doing it in the name of Christ!!!
i think its great that wikileaks is doing this, someone has to. I think the governments have gotten to a point where the public has no control over other than at the time of the election. we need to know where to put the blame on atrocities.
the politican in DC
The more I read of this the more it appears that the real crime here is the war itself.
When I viewed footage a while back of the shooting of reporters, I wondered how this could possibly happen.
I have only begun to read this stuff, but I now wonder how it has not happened more, and in fact I am inclined to think it is far more commonplace and the only thing that made the Reuters event stand out was the fact that they broke the story.
We are Americans, to borrow from Ford(even though I am a Dodge guy, they say it best, Quality is Job #1.
If our guys putting their asses on the lines and dying in our name are lacking adequate intelligence data to perform the mission with confidence and success then the mission needs to seriously consider standing down until adequate intelligence is gathered and supplied.
Killing civilians, the press, our own guys, these are all far beyond very bad. In fact I would assert that killing 1 wrong person is far worse than not killing 1000 or more of the real enemy. This is based on how such incompetence on our part is seen by the people of Afghanistan, America and the world as a whole. Avoidable accidents are not accidents, they are incompetence. We can and must do better.
Where's the "commander in chief"? Busy doing smiling exercises in front of a mirror, probably asking "someone else" what he should do! BJNJ
Nice to see that this kind of difficult work is being done. Pointing out that it has to be done by a mysterious "rogue" organization like wikileaks and not any of the so-called mainstream news organizations may be gratuitous but I do remember that days when this type of work was their mission. I suspect that there are two types of reactions to this with media types – those that are at least a little embarrassed at the fact that investigative work of this type is now being outsourced and those that are too shallow or afraid of corporate owners and/or advertisers to really care
Treason at the highest level. What is happening to our Country that allows this to happen?
War Funding.
MY god....will all you old people do a little research. Look up some facts. Wikileaks is owned by AUSTRALIANS not Americans. The found could not commit teason against America. It is an Australian company.
I just wish they would do the research and read a little bit of what they are writing about. THE INFORMATION RELEASED IS OLD AND WILL IN NO WAY ENDANGER OUR PEOPLE!!!!! What it does is throw a little 'egg on the face' of the US Government and military leaders. IMHO
Oldsalt, I am afraid you get it all wrong. Those comitteed treason are the policitican in DC. They vole to go to war and deny them and committee our young people to destory our country by creating enemy thourghout the world... They should be tried instead. remember? Hillary, Kerry,...etc
Umm you got to be a citizen of the USA to commit treason . Wikileaks founder is NOT American.
ficeyes: They were trained in Afghanistan know matter who they were!!! That is why we are fighting them there now...
it's very convenient to call one's dirty little secrets matters of national security. i saw the video of us helicopters shooting reporters and despite military lies about national security, the only national thing i saw was shame. those soldiers had a field day at a duck shoot (uh, those ducks were human).
to the lady who says the fight was taken to us: yes, it was. that doesn't give democracies a license to kill and torture innocents.
ricardo, so I suppose the COWARDS who took down the Towers had a license ??????
if your behavior is dictated by their actions, you are neither free nor good anymore and the bad guys win, it's that simple. our so-called open societies are, at best, a work-in-progress that needs to be cared for and protected. let the bushes, the cheneys and their ilk take over and they will. they care for their own, the rich, the connected, the powerful. look at new orleans, let's just say that if it had happened in malibu, things might have been different.
political preferences aside, the bush admin lied and cheated and fixed every game they could. we need to be careful of those who would claim to protect us from ourselves. obama seems to be a little better but he has not stopped renditions or closed guantanamo so let's keep an eye on him too.
our chidren will live in the world we bequeath to them, let's try not to make it too embarassing.
No they probably had too many DUIs, but they had increased their insurance on the buildings by quite a bit a just few days prior though.
You mean the ARABS? Because you know darn well that's who did it. Not one Afghan national was involved in 911. No one in the Taliban either. what happened to peoples minds? We are in Afghanistan to secure their resources and put controls on Pakistan... not to make them pay for 911. Al Qaeda doesn't even have a presence there.
Everytime you hear about information being released, the first thing shouted from the rafters is the danger in which the troops will be placed. Are we really so naive as to think that they were previously unaware of the thousands of innocent civilians being killed on a near daily basis by our carelessness and, even now, by our refusal to address our methods and tactics?
There are those in the military who constantly want to throw around the fact that they're out there willing to die for our freedoms. Fine. Do it. Die for the right way. Don't die for cutting corners. For the supposed "easy way". Washington, Jefferson and company didn't need to kill innocent civilians (an innocent bystander in the American Revolution was another American) to send the British packing. Put your life on the line for the ideal and nothing less. America isn't a flag or an army. It's an idea. You can let others take it away from you or you can willingly throw it to the wind everytime you look the other way. If you're going to die, die for the truth and nothing less. Otherwise you're just dying in order to be the biggest and the baddest. Sounds like a gang of thugs to me.
Their ranks are just as emboldened by their own idea. Until we're willing to really try to convince them that our idea is right (first and foremost by adhering to it ourselves) and not just try to convince them every single time with a bullet or bomb, they will keep coming in waves.
The most troubling thing about all of this is not the harm that may result, but the complete lack of remorse for the harm we have already caused. Hell, we make more of a stink over it getting out than we ever did about preventing it. Doesn't sound like someone trying to fix something so much as trying to keep it swept under a rug. Would you feel sympathy for us knowing this fact?
I want to know what is really happening, so I am grateful to Wikileaks and to Assange to make me know it.
My country participate in Nato operations, but I strongly disagree. 9/11 attack was caused by US aggressive policy against other nations. Muslim did not attack Swiss or Finland. US government deceived Americans about Saddam mass destructions weapon and Guantanamo is still a shame for America. President Obama is a little better than Bush or Clinton, but you have more work to do.
Do you know why Switzerland or Finland weren't attacked? Could it be because the resultant statement would not compare in magnitude to attacking the US.
What I am trying to say is that US government artificially create enemies to keep the war industry alive and for economiccal reason. I made the Switzerland and Finland exemplum to assert that terrorist threath is at least deeply overstated. The internal securitiy is the key work to do. It is not possible to run all over the world firing bombs becouse you will multiplicate the enemy. So even the americans should be grateful to Wikileak. I am sorry for the soldiers, but risk is their job. Americans were forced to go to Vietnam war just to been told 20 years later that war been wrong by US general Schwarzkoppf. So may be after 20 years also this war will be considered wrong. I don't feel the soldiers are protecting me, on the contrary they are putting my life at risk of retaliation. US civilians were never hit in their home before 9/11 and it was a shock, but sadly it is pretty normal in the war. My country had civilian causualties and even London was bombed in WWII.
Thank you for having me.
The US had never been hit at home before 9/11?!? Are you really serioius? Have you have never read up as to why the US entered into World War II? Maybe you should start refreshing on your history before making to many more comments.
In WWII US was attacked at Pearl Harbour, but it was a military base even if some civilian casualties incurred. I think the New York Towers was a lot more a civilian target.
Oh really... What about the attack on the White House and Congress??? I guess those are another Country???
Do you believe everything that is published??? There is so much stuff either left out are doctored up that it isn't funny anymore!!!
@Duck & @Ancient Texan – I find it sad that you think telling the truth is treason. When patriotism is considered blind obendience to the goverment, rather than standing up and challenging it, well, thats just a sad America to live in. What would our founding fathers say?
I think they would be shocked and horrified that there is such an abundance of extremists that carry out such abominable atrocities when they kill, maim or otherwise injure innocent people :p
Very short sighted and poorly thought out response. If you have a lucid thought on the subject think it through and expond on what you really think.
CD, the point to me is not that we shouldn't monitor our government. We should do that. However, is it worth the cost of endangering the lives of our troop? The media has no morality at all in this area. Do you think CNN truly cares about the people in Afghanistan or they are just trying to increase their viewership? Please go ahead and tell the family of a dead soldier if the information was worth it? It's this whole "Freedom without Responsibility" thing that way too many selfish clueless people seem to follow.
How much do you know for sure is the truth?? Were you there and saw it in person??? There has been so many things Doctored up to make things bad for Your enemy!!! Because they say it is true doesn't make it true... Look what happen with the Turkey Ship...
A highly placed whistle blower in our past helped end an out of control presidency, save many more of our soldiers lives, save the lives of innocent collateral damage civilians, and lead to to our departing an unwinnable war. The best case scenario is that this information release will be viewed favorably in 2050...someone please let me know then, and see if i am in need of a diaper change.
Honest point, no mudslinging, and funy ending. Perfect comment. You, sir, get a cookie. And I got ya on the diaper. Deuces, lol.
Ray Summer: It is not the democrats that are holding back on the troops... In fact since Obama got into office... Our troops are better off today than they were when Bush was in office!!!
Treason.
USMC Captain,
I agree. TREASON!
Treason is supporting the atrocities of tyranny. Support for an evil government is just as evil as the actions which define it.
Andro,
I agree BUT there is no evidence to support the fact that what the American government is doing in Afghanistan is evil. The men and women serving there are American heroes and are doing a great job. As a matter of fact I would go as far as to blame the liberals of this country as to tying the hands of our service people. For it is these people that won't let us fight this war and win it.
"there is no evidence to support the fact that what the American government is doing in Afghanistan is evil."
Sure there is. Wikileaks just made it public.
Larry Valecia- Thank you for the letter posted. I, and I firmly believe the vast majority of Americans, agree 100%. ..... Roy- I too think the "leak" and the website are both a threat to national security. But then, I firmly believe the New York Times, with all of their "disclosures" also fit in that catagory.
Did you ever see a wounded rattlesnake? It strikes blindly at everything. You're watching one now as the evil that the US government has become strikes at everything. Of course, this "leak" is an inside job. The Internet threatens these demons and they MUST find a way to control it. Please, think. Just think.
I wonder if you would think we were Evil if you lose everything you got now in the United States??? Are maybe your a Muslin and just doesn't know better???
You Are Welcome!!! It is something everyone should know...
A single word defines my position: treason.
i agree, to shoot innocent civilians and to coevr up those actions is not better than treason.
Ricardo, you are a joke. Are you from one of those countries that have all sorts of peace and love because they don't have the gonads to stand up for themselves? If the United States were to disappear today, how many millions of the world's children would be dead within a few months from starvation and disease? Most of the rest of the world has one hand out to the U.S for aid but flipping us off using the other hand. Thank you Great Britain, Australia, Canada, Norway and a couple small countries. Screw the rst of you. Is it to late to become Isolationist again?
Maybe if the terrorists weren't standing next to civilians when they shot at us the civilians wouldn't be getting killed. Go walk a patrol over there and you'll understand. Secondly, what does a terrorist look like when they drop there weapon after they have been shot? Answer: a civilian.
Wikileaks did not commit treason....It is an Australian company. The founders owe no alegiance to America
I agree BUT all patriotic Americans should boycott the Wikileak website and all those that advertise on it!
You cannot commit treason against a treasonous government. This is NOT a war. War has not been declared in this country for almost a hundred years. This is money-making. Long live the War on Terriers (just so long as it never ends!).
By the way, the government DID leak this worthless info.
War was declared when they came to Our Country and killed Our People!!!
It is called the TRUTH. We blew our opportunity in Afghanistan 10 years ago when Dumb Dumb Bush decided to imvade Iraq (still not sure why). Let's just go home.
I wonder if you would support a retreat if one day in the future you look at the window and see a 747 jumbo jet racing at you with a terrorist smiling screaming allah akbar!
Ahhhh Duck...... You are either very old or very young.. Treason? I think not... This is the age of freedom of information remember? AND I for one think it's time the government gave up some of their secrets..... Then we have the right as citizens to ask WHY DID THIS HAPPEN.... WHY IS THE WAR GOING SO BAD... WHY ARE OUR CHILDREN DIEING IN FORIEGN COUNTRIES WE HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING IN. WHY ARE WE STILL TRYING TO BUILD NATIONS IN THE U.S. OF A'S IMAGE??? Why must every country on earth be like the United States??
THE WAR IS NOT GOING BAD... The Enemy knows that it will be over soon!!! So they are doing everything they can to stop it... Because they will have know place else to go when it is finished!!!
A single word describes a person who thinks leaking another nation's classified information is treason: Ignoramus.
The biggest threat to American lives in Afghanistan comes from our stupid and shortsighted policy of having an army there trying to remake Afghan Moslem society into some sort of a secular, friendly democracy. That goal is impossible. Our policy is based on winning the hearts and minds of the Moslem population whose hearts and minds are devoted to the doctrines of Islam, one of which doctrines teaches them that all non-Moslems are enemies. We need to get out a.s.a.p. and let the chips fall where they may. We can always go back in quickly in order to destroy any new Moslem terrorist training camps - which is our only interest there in the first place. We achieved that eight years ago, and we can do it again if necessary.
Attacking terrorist training bases in Afghanistan was the US policy BEFORE 9/11 and it did not work! If we leave now the "rodents" will just return, regroup and re-attack us again in the future at THEIR convenience and when we are least expecting it. We are not winning the war because we are NOT aggressive enough. We should be unleashing a total commitment to destroying the enemy and get this war finished with a victory!
If we would have done that in Vietnam and Korea maybe the out come would have been different!!!
In my opinion, the people who leaked this VITIAL INFORMATION TO THE SECURITY OF THIS COUNTRY, should be ARRESTED AND BE CHARGED WITH TREASON AND SPEND THE REST OF THIER LIVES IN PRISON. AS FOR THE WEB SITE, IF IT IS IN THIS COUNTRY, SHOULD SHUT DOWN OR FINED. EVEN IF NOT HERE, THEY SHOULD FACE SOME KIND OF SANCATIONS. THEY MAY THINK THAT WHAT THEY DID WAS FOR THE PUBLICS BENEFIT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THE DANGER THIS INFORMATION WILL HAVE THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE FIGHTING IN THIS CONFLICT. OR THE PEOPLE AND FAMILIES OF THE BRAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING. I AM TALKING AS ONE OF THE THE PEOPLE WHO HAS A FAMILY MEMBER IN THE WAR ZONE.
They should not spend the rest of their lives in prison......they should be executed.
Yo ricardo, suck up some of this truth. Blanket judgements like the ones you make are the signs of a small mind. Not all of us here in the US are exstatically happy with the way our country is. We have a bunch of greedy people running the economy into the ground, politicians using an electorial system with no accountability for campaign promises, they outlaw marijuana but continue to sell alcohol and tobacco. Yeah we have our fair share of problems, but no more or less than any other nation. How about you go take a good long honest look in your back yard and tell me with a straight face you're country doesn't have the same problems. Not all of us worship the ground those hollywood plastics walk on. Not all of us bathe in crude oil profits. Not all of us are hateful and just sit in an office all day commenting on CNN. Not all of us go to church, or even the same church. Not all of us are egotistically blind to our country's faults. and not all of us have given up on our country yet. I'll admit, I hate the way things are going in our country right now. I'm not talking about the people doin the right thing either, I;m referencing how we cry like babies about our nation being behind in education, yet dramatically cut funding for it. I'm talking about how we have the worst healthcare system in the world and our answer?? Health insurance is mandatory??? Not a fix. How about immigration. Maybe between 1500-1800 we were a nation of immigrating peoples. But I was born here, and I am no immigrant. We have so many problems in our country because we elect the best of the worst people. Only those with enough money to campaign can even hope to get votes. Yeah our country might be bad, but at least I can Pray to whoever I want, Listen to whatever music I want, Watch whatever shows I want, Read whatever publications I want, and Drive wherever I want, Love whoever I want. A lot of other countries are like this as well, but some are not. Like I said we have our problems, and right now the only problem I have is that someone who doesn't even live here talkin crap about my TEAM. So step up or step off Hombre, because these colors don't run!
I agree! Shoot them twice to make sure.
James: Some times we elect the right People... But This Country is run by the majority of the People!!! It is run by the Wealthy People instead!!! That is the problem with this Country...
Irwin: You want to make this Country better??? Vote the Republicans out of office!!! That way the People will run the Country again...
Very well stated Roy. Julian Assange, his website, and others who manage such a site is putting US soldiers and its allies at extreme risk and comprimise. SHUT THE SITE DOWN!
there is no info here that puts our troops or national security at risk. You are an idiot.
I'd rather shut our miserable and lying government down! That's depleted our resources – human and financial – on these insane wars.
What do you mean "shut it down."? The US can't shut down websites hosted in other countries. That's not how the internet works. Contrary to the beliefs of Americans, you don't run this thing. There are no laws in their country against publishing things that the US wants to keep secret. They aren't Americans. They have no responsibility to the US government and they certainly don't have any responsibility for the safety of US armed forces.
Roy D. Mercer, have you read all 90,000 pages to confirm that. You are an idiot.
ASSange looks like a creepy rapist: govenment already says that it doesn't matter all old new nothing has changed, therefore doesn't affect troops. Also by not revealing information about heat seeking missiles have we jepordized the lives of our allies troops?
Wake up and smell what you're standing in! The only thing in danger are private bank accounts! Wikileaks ROCKS!!!
You are lapping at the trough of government secrecy and propaganda.
amen to that. this is all rigged and people are buying it all day long. mark my words, in a few more minutes the internet will be filtered just like china. all in the name of 'national security'
Wiki leaks is an Australian company. Believe it or not America does not have the right to arrest or execute the founders of the website. Remember we are not the world police even though people like you think we are.
Luckily he's smart enough to host wikileaks anywhere but in Australia. I'm afraid OZ is well & truly in the pocket of America. If the US wanted to prosecute then I assure you Australia would find a way. We don't have the luxury of free speech here.
In my opinion, someone needs to disclose how much the S is being played for fools in this war because it is bankrupting the country through the ineffective application of military force, causing the deaths of US soldiers needlessly because our leaders don't know how to fight the fight.
TOTALLY AGREE! WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT TO WIN. If we aren't going to play to win then let's go home and wait for them to attack us again. Then maybe we can get the fight back into us again.
What is bankrupting the Country are the fat cats that are taking all the money from Our Workers and taking it else where , where they can pay lower Salary!!! Then they don't pay taxes on the money they make here on the junk they send us...
If you really cared aboout your family you'd be protesting this lousy war and demanding your family members be brought home NOW!!!
If you really cared about your family you would be trying to protect them from the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and they are located in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Most of the terrorists, and most of their money, was Saudi.
Hey GL,
Where were the terrorist leaders on 9/11? Where was Bin Laden and his friendS? In other words where was the terrorist headquartered out of? Answer: Afghanistan. That's were we need to attack, where the terrorists are headquartered.
If you would ask our military that are fighting the wars and they would disagree with what you just said!!! We are there to win the wars not get out because Idiots like you want us to...
Pretty ironic, and totally insulting to accuse any other nation of War Crimes. The U.S. just had its non-president and filthy administration commit nothing but the same. CNN is worse than the playground snitch,....pathetic
Our President today is a better President than Bush Jr ever was!!! It is to bad Idiots like you don't realize it...
Jesus, GROW UP! This is the work of your beloved United States government in an attempt to control the Internet. The goal is to fight a war that lasts FOREVER and the government who care less how many "troops" are killed as long as the war CASH COW keeps spewing money. In a country with people as stupid as some posters here, it is no wonder that freedom is dying (being killed by your damned beloved fascist government).
hahaha finally a fellow friend with some SENSE!! america is waking up. slowly. precisely why they're about to SHUT US UP by filtering the internet. all in the name of 'national security' and CYBER TERRORISM!!! everybody panic (puke)
I think these people are heroes. The people who withheld this information from us in the first place, and who lied to us, are the ones should go to prison.
Good post. I agree.
barnaby, Were you there when all this was happening? What is left out is this is a war, not a play ground where we run and tell the teacher that someone wasnt playing right. It is sad that the innocent people get killed by a mistake, but their own taliban has brought this upon them and have no regard for life, no matter what side you are on. Some times you need to play by the rules the other has laid down.
The real ones that held information from us was Bush Jr and the Republicans!!! They lied about everything including the war He started...
As a fomer soldier- I'm glad things are getting released. Remember the pentagon papers????
As a former Marine the people who released this information are traitors to their oath and their country. They should all be sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
The people who released this ARE NOT AMERICANS! They can't be traitors to a country they do not belong to. The people who provided it might well be Americans, but the people who released it are not.
I was referring to the traitorous pigs that were US citizens who provided, released, etc to the media. They should all be lined up against a wall and shot (twice just to make sure they are dead)!
As a current Soldier, you are an idiot. Putting Soldiers' and Marines' lives in danger is what this will do. And give propaganda to the enemy...Former Soldier, there is a reason you got out...
O, a Man! Now that I found One, do I still have to Make One?
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Roy, I believe when a government asks it's citizens to put their lives up on the line and shoot/kill other human beings, there should be nothing kept secret. IF a government feels they have a reason to go into (invade) another nation, then we the people who elected in infringing government have the right to know and understand WHY those elected officals feel the need to invade. I believe the citizen of every country has the right to know how the people he/she cast a vote for are running the government we elected. IF these "secrets" in fact are told, and a government is found to be lying about the dealings they are doing that are killing/hurting the peoples of another country, then that/those elected officals should be brought up before the world court and put on trial and if found guilty, hung in a public hanging just as Mr Hussain was hung. To long has the "secrets" of war kept hidden the absolute monster crimes against human beings. I believe these folks at this website are doing the world a BIG justice by publishing this "secret" stuff, which should be known by everyone. IF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND/OR OTHER GOVERNMENTS ARE SO ASHAMED OF THE HAPPENINGS NOW SEEN IN THESE PAPERS, PERHAPS THEY SHOULD CHANGE THEIR WAY OF DOING BUSINESS. Its no wonder the rest of the world doesn't trust our government. The U.S. Government talks with a smile on it's face and a gun in one hand and knife in the other. If your going to be a bully on the world scene then just be a bully! Quit trying to make the world believe your such a nice guy when in fact you are a murdering thug.... Just call it like it is.....
Hear Hear!!
you can hang with the tools that run wikileaks and the traitors that gave 'em the papers
Gerry
Very well said.
Governments of all types have done nothing but lie to the people for far too many years.
Mostly to protect their fat asses and money grubbing ways.
Secrecy should in itself be outlawed. That would be a good start to ending all this war BS.
It's time humanity started spending money on making this a better world to live in, not spending trillions on killing other human being.
The leader who want war should have to lead the troops into battle.
That would end most conflicts before they started.
Why give the Enemy more information that they would give us??? Maybe after the war is over then you can give out the information to the People of Our Country!!! But I can't figure why the People need to know...
Roy,
After reading bits of the released material and seeing the timelines, this is not a release of 'top' secret' information. I saw NOTHING in it that would put the lives of our brave men and women at risk, I have many services members in my family. The only thing it might do is damage our (the US) credibility. I also believe that you cannot charge a non-American with 'treason against America'. This is just IMHO.
I totally disagree with your ingnorant statement. We as Americans deserve to know about the evils that our government does and this helps us to one day resist and cleanse
I agree completly.Combat wounded vet Vietnam.
What about the Evil that they are doing to Our Troops??? People die in wars!!! If you don't want your People killed... Don't kill other People People!!! Otherwise you have nothing to complain about...
why people are complaning? Us military guys are busting our butts to protect this country. We chose this job. People should be thankful for all the things that we do. Shoot the person who leaked all those files. We don't like being critisize. Let us do our job for the country. Hoorah!
Just like with the Pentagon papers release by Daniel Elsberg, 40 years from now there will still be the Roy's out there denying that the US did anything wrong even when shown the facts. Its sad that there are still so many people in the US that truely believe that the ends justify the means, that to win in Afghanistan or Vietnam there are going to be "acceptable" numbers of civilian casualties and that the investmant of both lives and treasure are worth "stabalizing" another countries government so that we can purchase cheap resources from them and procur contracts for multi-national corporations.
I think that the old saying that "History is written by the winners" will only stay true as long as there are people like Roy (and most gvmnts) trying to shut up the truth tellers. Would any of you really admit that you would let your soldiers commit horrendous crimes like raping and murdering a 12 year old and her family, or to indescriminatly bomb homes, towns and communities to protect your "freedoms"? Not likely, but if you just sit there with your eyes closed & hands over your ears so as not to see or hear the real cost of war thats exactly what your endorsing. I want to know what the soldiers are doing for my Freedom and would feel far better about supporting the troups if there was alot more transparancy.
Go Wiki!!
Who was the first to do the Crime against Who First??? We didn't start the war... But we sure will finish it so it won't happen again!!!
In my opinion, Roy, you are terrifically wrong. Only dictatorships and tyrannies should keep secrets from their populations. If you are willing to sacrifice liberty and knowledge of your government's atrocities for national security, you deserve neither liberty or knowledge. And by the way, push the Caps Lock button on your keyboard again, it's stuck. Then go back to elementary school for a new spelling primer.
What good will it do for the People to know what is going on over there??? Do you think it would bring Our Friends and Love Ones back???
I think that there is a balance that should take place between providing information to the public and maintaining confidential files under the premise of National Security. What I believe is happening now is that the government has become so secretive about everything that it makes websites like WikiLeaks so necessary. We have seen that the current news media outlets are not doing their job and only play into extreme views they want to push on the public just to incite emotion. I can't trust any one news organization anymore, not even CNN. There is no honest, factual reporting anymore. It is up to the individual to sort through all this mess and I think WikiLeaks allows that for the public; puting the info out there and letting us make the choice. But yes, they must be responsible about it and truely understand the significance and potentially harmful consequences of that they are doing. As with every journalist, they have to know the power of what they are saying. Let's hope they understand the power of what they are doing.
What good would the information be to us??? Do you think it would make us feel better about fighting the wars???
Might as well throw these people on the pile as well:
1) The Valerie Plame outers
2) Anyone who speculates against the dollar
3) The "experts" who orchestrated the Wall Street / AiG / Fannie Mac Mae mess
Eva,
Your son is an American hero! God Bless him for his courage.
Truths like this help human future. Simple Statement; Profound Implications. You need to understand that.
The American who leaked this information should be charged with treason.
Wiki leaks has preformed an act of terrorism by revealing our nations intelligence. This is not acceptable and wiki leaks should be punished through jail time. This is not something to take lightly by doing this they could damage our soldiers moral. America does not like war but knows it is necessary to protect people. As a world leader it is our responsibility to help nations in need.Afghanistan as a whole is better off because of our efforts to eliminate the Taliban. The Taliban is a group of thugs how can people want them to be part of the world community.
James, the Afgan war is a losing proposition. US will never win this war. it's high time to call a truces and SPEAK peace. Save civilian life, precious US soldier's life and our economy...
Where the secrets start, the republic stops. I heard that as a boy in John Birch meetings. What has happened to the conservative movement that we have become defenders of secrecy? You want secrecy, try the Soviet Union. They knew something about secrecy. Secrecy steals freedom.
Freedom Freedom: We are not trying to win the war... We are training the Afghanistan so that they can win it for themselves!!! That is a big difference...
The better get the firing squad ready. What they did is treason of the highest order; they should also execute some of the people that work for the website...
Bert, those deserve the bullets are the policition in US
Transparency will keep you FREE....always, always, remember that.
YOU DIDN"T HAVE TO YELL IT!!! What you say we do agree with... But next time just say it please!!!
Why do Idiots like you can't believe that Obama was born in Hawaii??? Do you hate African Americans that bad that you rather believe the lies the Tea Party say about him???
its crazy idea to leak these sensitive doc. pls think about our soldiers.
Not at all. In fact, it makes us safer, safer from the ignorance the previous administration tried to fool us with. I applaud wikileaks. Keep doing your thing.
Roy I couldn't have said it any better myself!! Keep up the good work!!! Thank your loved one for their service they are a true american Hero.
Did you hear about Michael Steele saying that the war was a war of OBAMA's choice?
The tea party and the republicans will lie and their ignorant followers will swear to it.
They have achieved reality escape velocity.
Roy et al, please don't speak for this country. So quick to call for imprisonment and executions when in fact your ignorance is the disease. In another time and place you would be goosestepping undesirables to the gas chambers. You are not Americans and you do disservice to our soldiers. You are the hate and intolerance from which wars are spawned. Now off with you. Go outside and pull wings off butterflies. But no more internets for you.
you do realize what a traitor is right?
Dude are you serious? I thank God these people leaked that information. That means this country is waking up to the fact that our Government is incredibly corrupt. You are talking like you still think 9 -11 was a terrorist attack. They have proof and text messages from inside the building that day that bombs were going off. Look at the video about the place that hit the Pentagon that day...there was no wreckage. That was no plane. This place is corrupt and the people need to know about it. It's in the medical industry, the drug industry, it's all over the place. And, the more fear they try to convey to people throught the media, lies, and especially acting like they are protecting us – the more of a joke it all is. That said, I sympathize with you and who you know over there defending all of us. God bless them all and I thank them. But make no mistake, leaked information will not bring us or them more or less safety. It only brings the truth, and the truth is hard sometimes. The truth is simple, they want us fearful, dependent, and unempowered. Strength lies in people, not in Governments.