WikiLeaks shines spotlight on mysterious Task Force 373
U.S. military documents released by WikiLeaks show that a U.S. Special Forces unit in Afghanistan assigned to hunt down terrorists also was responsible for the deaths of civilians, Afghan police officers and, in one particularly bloody raid, seven children while they attended school.
The unit is called Task Force 373. It’s assigned to kill so-called “high value” targets or detain them without trial, often in night operations. The 373 follows a hit list of sorts, according to The New York Times and The Guardian newspaper in England. (WikiLeaks gave The New York Times, The Guardian and German magazine Der Spiegel early access to the documents before posting them.)
The list is referred to as Jpel, which supposedly stands for “joint prioritized effects list.” Der Spiegel reported in January that the Task Force was active in Kunduz in northern Afghanistan.
“U.S. special forces with Task Force 373 are sent out on operations on a nightly basis,” it wrote. “In addition to taking suspected Taliban extremists prisoner, they have many times been responsible for eliminating wanted Taliban leaders.”
The documents published by WikiLeaks cover controversial operations by Task Force 373. Among the incidents:
- Seeking Taliban commander Qarl Ur-Rahman in a valley near Jalalabad, Task Force 373 became engaged in a firefight in June 2007 at night. According to a document linked on the New York Times and Guardian sites, “The original mission was aborted…” and the task force later filed a report which said “7 X ANP NIA, 4 X WIA” resulted. That means seven Afghan police officers had been killed. Read the document
- Later that month, the Task Force launched am operation to kill or capture senior al Qaeda figure Abu Laith al-Libi in Paktika province, close to the border with Afghanistan. They failed to find Libi, who was killed several months later. During the operation, a missile attack was launched on a mosque compound where several suspects were thought to be, but the action resulted in the deaths of 7 children. The follow-up report said “An elder who was at the Mosque stated that the children were held against their will and were intentionally kept inside.” Read the document, reproduced by the New York Times
U.S. Special Operations missions in Afghanistan have been criticized by human rights groups.
“You have people going in with a kill list and the public accountability simply doesn’t exist,” said Sarah Knuckey, director of the Project on Extrajudicial Executions at the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice at the New York University School of Law. She went to Afghanistan in 2008 to interview dozens of civilians who had complained of indiscriminate military attacks.
“We didn’t hear specifically the name 373, but it’s clear, judging by what’s been on WikiLeaks – if [WikiLeaks’] information is correct – that what civilians told us is true,” she told CNN.
What do people think happen in a war zone.... People die and probably a lot of innocents in the process. The military is for one reason and that is to kill people. They are not negotiators or policemen or pacifiers. They kill ... that is their job. This f**t up, leaderless gov we have needs to get out of the way and let the military lite it up. One thing is for sure if you want to lose a war get the politicians involved. Better yet put the politicians on the front line where they would get their asses shot at and this war would come to an end...... Any war is a horrible war .. let the military do their job!
Civilians die in wars. It happens. More civilians died in ONE bombing run over Dresden than Iraqis have died in the entire war since 2003. Doesnt make it better but it happens. I feel for the parents of those kids (I have 3) but to make such a huge deal out of it is crazy as they clearly are being put in harms way by the enemy who is actually at fault here.
Dagame – yep Saddam is the only leader since WWII (give ya a hint his name was HITLER) to use chemical weapons routinely. Not only against his own people but also against Iran in the Iran-Iraq warAnd for all you second guessers out there, it is the bastion of the fool. Just like I didnt 2nd guess Bush on WMD (I was pretty sure they wouldnt find any as I worked in ARCENT/CENTCOM during the 90s), I dont 2nd guess Obama on the Stimulus, etc etc etc. If you dont speak up beforehand then dont speak up afterwards.
yep, thats war for you, where killers instead of being trialed are hailed as heroes... and the public is too stupid to realise it.
Civilians get killed in war, period. That is the reality. We do more today to prevent civilian dealths than we ever have. Back in WWII, we only gave it lip service. Ask the survivors of Dresden or Tokyo, Nagasaki or Hiroshima. The civilians were pretty much held equally accountable along with their government. That has always been the way of war. There is no way to totally protect civilians and still win the war. Grow up and get real. It is people like the members of Task Force 373 that keep all of us alive, including the weak-kneed liberals who think all evil will go away if we just roll over and play dead.
We didn't attack the nations of the bombers' origin because they were not harboring them like Afghanistan was. Everyone always says that, that the bombers were Saudi, Egyptian, etc. Yeah, we know, but it was the Afghani government under the Taliban that provided them a base of operations from where they struck us. Why would we retaliate against Egypt because a few of their citizens blew themselves up. It was the Taliban that empowered them.
Another misconception that I have seen here is the history of the relation between the Taliban and the US. Yes,during the Soviet invasion, we supported the insurgency, which included many that later became Taliban and al-Qaeda. However, the vast majority of those fedayeen became what we now know as the Northern Alliance, allies of ours that greatly contributed to our initial success in 2001-2002.
What 373 and units like them do does not violate the Geneva Convention. The intentional targeting of non-combatants is illegal, but collateral damage is simply a part of war that soldiers deal with. Also, those who call this genocide need to pick up a dictionary. Genocide is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group. Think the Holocaust, Bosnia, Rwanda, etc. Just because there have been a number of innocent Afghanis killed does not mean its genocide.Please think before writing.
Disagreeing with the reason for war is one thing, but the actions of American service members has been extraordinary, with the exception of a few bad apples like abu-Ghraib. If you don't like the war, tell the politicians, but don't play armchair quarterback with our troops when you have no knowledge of what war is and are using immature and uninformed logic like I've been seeing
if youre not willing to join up with us and actually see combat like us, then dont talk poorly about us. enjoy the freedom we give you, dont ask how you get it, unless youre there fighting, you dont need to know.
they make mistakes and for that I am sorry, but They are hunting the worst of the worst. They hunt the people who behead innocent Afghans. They hunt people who beat Afghan women for going to school. The hunt People who will never be tolerant or respect human rights. This is War and this enemy (hard core Talib) cannot be reasoned with
Hint to CNN....hire someone to check the spelling and grammar of your articles.
Task Force 373 reminds me of GESTAPO/SS/ tactics. Remember post-WW2 Nuremberg trials? Just following orders heh???hmmmmm
And all this 911 blame game stretching back to (a probably fictional) jerk named Osama bin whatever or other fancy arabic sounding name...has anyone (preferably western-with credible credentials) ever even seen or interviewed this Osama cartoon character in his cave? I just hope all these TF373 hit squad SS type clones aren't simply on-the-job training for eventual action *within* US territory. Or are they already at work on black ops here??????? Is there also a US citizen hit list on the wikileaks TF373 files??? I wouldn't be surprised...at all. Not-at-all....
This is quite possibly the most moronic post yet.
Trask.......you got it....
So What! There's a very, very dirty side to all this; let's expect it and not worry how it affects us while we try to find work, make a living, start a business, etc.
please think for a while and let me know then if there was a single Afghan involved in the 9/11. They were mainly Arabs supported by ISA....but you ...you could not attack Pakistan coz it has NUKES...you could not attack Arabs coz they have oil....you just attacked a poor and inocent nation.....
To you all:
Please think for a while and let me know if there was a single Afghan involved in the 9/11? Why didn't you go for Paksi...Arabs.....you cowards...you can't attack paksitan coz it has NUKES, you can't attack Arabs coz they have oils.....
They kill their own children all the time, for such things as going to school. Wonderful people. wonderful. It's war, and in war, innocents often get killed. Don't forget that everyone in the World Trade Centers on 9/11/01 were innocent. Where is the outcry about that?
If a religion cannot live in peace with Hindus and Buddhist then that religion cannot live in peace with any other religion.
How many excuses will Yakoobi make for JIHAD in all the below mentioned places:
1. Israel with Jews
2. Bosnia with Serbs
3. Uighir(China) with Hans
4. India with Hindus
5. Nigeria with black Christians
6. Chechneya with christian Russians
7. Somalia
8. Iraq/Iran (shia sunni)
9. Pakistan (Ahemediya and Sufis are slaughtered by Salafis)
10. Libya and Lebenon again Hamas etc..
11. Indonesia with Buddhists
12. Malaysia with Hindus/buddhists
Even before the modern world existed 250 million people were killed in the name of spreading ISLAM by Tribal muslim invaders between the period of 800 AD-1900 AD in a span of 1000 years, spearheaded by Muhammad your prophet.
I think madrassa education indoctrination since childhood leaves muslims brain dead and unable to think. The GOATIE is a symbol of a man becomeing a goat head that needs to be hearded.
Muslims like to convert people cause a druggi and junki always wants others to be in same hell. They know what filth they are born onto so drag others into teh same filth as well ...
If terrorism is to be elimnated, then madrassas,mosques and maulvis need to be monitored or razed.
Nature has its way of dealing with such nonsense, justice will come upon muslim world soon.
For us you are criminals and hence we are salughtering you the ay you do others.. we are slaughteriong muslims like goats and we call this celebrations "BaKreed of Muslims".. have fun
In the entire world it is consistently ISLAM that is fighting with everyone else:
1. Israel with Jews
2. Bosnia with Serbs
3. Uighir(China) with Hans
4. India with Hindus
5. Nigeria with black Christians
6. Chechneya with christian Russians
7. Somalia
8. Iraq/Iran (shia sunni)
9. Pakistan (Ahemediya and Sufis are slaughtered by Salafis)
10. Libya and Lebenon again Hamas etc..
11. Indonesia with Buddhists
12. Malaysia with Hindus/buddhists
Even before the modern world existed 250 million people were killed in the name of spreading ISLAM by Tribal muslim invaders between the period of 800 AD-1900 AD in a span of 1000 years, spearheaded by Muhammad your prophet.
I think madrassa education indoctrination since childhood leaves muslims brain dead and unable to think. The GOATIE is a symbol of a man becomeing a goat head that needs to be hearded.
Muslims like to convert people cause a druggi and junki always wants others to be in same hell. They know what filth they are born onto so drag others into teh same filth as well ...
If terrorism is to be elimnated, then madrassas,mosques and maulvis need to be monitored or razed.
Nature has its way of dealing with such nonsense, justice will come upon muslim world soon.
What about those millions of original american(red indians) aborigines(Australians) killed, genocide by you christians spearheaded by your christ, kings, clergyman in the name of christ, to spread the fanatic christian religion
May the force be with you Task Force 373.
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There's a lot of talk about truth here. The truth is people will form groups with other people like them, whether the similarities be religious, ethnic, political, national, etc. And these different groups will always have conflict with different groups. Violence is part of humaqn basic nature. And so is greed for that matter. Don't think for a second that certain people have not benefitted from the conflicts that have erupted since the end of the Cold War. Bin Laden will always be martyr when he dies (if he isn't dead already) and makes money from donations to 'his cause'. Bush and Cheney made millions off the wars. Extremist religous leaders all over the world have had their positions elevated and are exhaulted by their followers. People in power want more power....and use the humans violent natures to gain more power.
Personally...I feel the United States was justified to invade Afghanistan. A hostile government has harboring a hostile group responsible for an unforgivable attack against innocent people. whether or not Bush knew the attacks were coming....Al Qaeda were the ones who planned and executed the attack. So Afghanistan is justified in my mind. Iraq was not...that was most definately based on a lie. I served in the Army for 5 years....deploying to Iraq twice. I had a moral disagreement with the reason for the war in Iraq. But I also swore an oath to serve my country, and I did to the best of my ability. Just because a war has an immoral justificatiom, it didn't mean that I couldn't act morally in the execution of my duties. That's how every soldier should think, I believe. sometimes....it is moral to kill. Sometimes, for the safety and security of a people, it is necessary to push the boundaries of morality in the darkest of gray areas.
I left the service when my comittment was up. I felt like I was being used to help already rich and powerful people get more rich and powerful, and that the army senior leadership was, at best, childish. Everybody wanted to be Patton or McArthur. They wanted their cake and they wanted it yesterday and sorry, but I had no eggs or sugar. It didn't feel to me like I was protecting my country anymore.
I am not going to speculate on whether this Task Force 737 exists or if they are wrong in what they are doing or if any of these reports are accurate. I'm not going to judge people I don't know based on statements that could easily be lies as easily as they could be truths. We have no way of knowing for sure. There is actually an old Islamic saying from an old sect.."there are no thruths" (and yes, that was the saying of the original leaders of the old Islamic assassin cult, not from the new computer game. The game developers did their research).
I personally feel the universe has a way of evening things out. At least I hope so.
Really the only thing we can do is use our intellect, open-mindedness, and moral compass to try to act morally in our own lives and try to help the others we can reach do so too.
Delta Force?
Task Force 373= Delta Force?
In this war, both sides are wrong.
I bet they got some awesome task force patches! Probably has like lightening bolts coming out of an eagle or something even more awesome that has like a spear and probably fire incorporated in it! Maybe a Pegasus just screaming across a dark sky with flames or lightning bolts around it! Or maybe like something even more awesome and mythical that I don't know about!
Threads like these make me hate liberals almost as much as terrorists.
Agreed. Actually, they make me hate ALL extremists.
"The unit is called Task Force 373. It’s assigned to kill so-called “high value” targets or detain them without trial..."
Is this not a stupid sentence? Are the brave men of Spec Ops supposed to put someone on trial before detaining them?! Huh? That's why they're "Black Ops"... It's writing like this, from people who have never had the desire nor the courage to serve in the Armed Forces, nor even understand the political necessity of units such as these and their effects on the enemies morale that hinder America's ability to fight effectively. The only alternative to sending hundreds of thousands of Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, and Coast Guardsmen into harm's way is to fund and support cover operations either through the Special Operations community or the Central Intelligence Agency's Clandestine Operations.
Jane,
You are spot on! Most bleeding heart's buy into all this garbage about inocent Farmer's. I've been there and say to all my gooofy liberal freinds who just so happen to live here in the Evil United States; come with me on a tour of this place and go and express your thought's in a public forum!! You will not return..
Roger that!
Necessary things happen behind the scenes everday so we can sit here a blog our heart's out.
Semper Fi!
This is for all the lilly livered boys that want to diss America. There are REAL Americans on foreign soil protecting your right to bellyache about our country. Its for sure you don't have the gumption to do so. America is not right all the time, but we have a better track record than most. The next time you pull into Starbucks to get yourself a latte, remember the soldier sleeping in a tent and dodging enemy mortars is giving you the freedom to run your mouth.
Sounds more like a first draft of a Chuck Norris movie script than "leaked" information
After reading through many of these comments first I would like to know if those that live in the USA and criticize the government or our military will call on them if the war turns up in our country, on your doorstep? Hope not...We have had a taste of what it can be like to be attacked and in a most cowardly way. 9/11 was not even directed toward the military, it was a plan in the making for years against innocent civilians. Our military tries to avoid the innocent getting killed but it's impossible when you have the enemy hiding behind them like the cowards they are. I have had family members in the Army, Navy and Marines and they have all been to war. I had a cousin killed in Afghanistan in 2008. He was moving prisoners with other Afghan officers, he thought, when one of them shot him under his vest killing him. He left behind a wife and three daughters. My grandson is a Marine and he will leave tomorrow for Afghanistan for eight months. He is ready to go and has been since he joined. He is very proud to be serving. His family will be praying hard for his protection. He knows full well the risk. We are all very proud of him and yellow ribbons will go up until he comes home. If this war will never be won it's because we are dealing with a people that hate and they raise up kids and train them with the same hatred. I personally would like to see all military brought home and see where these countries that say we are intruders end up. I think they will beg for our help eventually but they and the critical world need to see it. We can use our sevicemen here to defend us when our enemies have nothing better to do than to come calling and attack us and show the world what they really are made of....but that won't happen so we pray to our Father in Heaven to bring an end to this. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else!!!!
"Children. Killed." I know war is bound to be gruesome, but it is very difficult to justify the deaths of seven children. Even if it somehow contributes to or is mysteriously linked to our success over there. The hypocrisy should stand out to anyone with a distaste for patriotic bias: a bomb that neutralized a terrorist contributes to our objective, a bomb that neutralizes a child is a form of terror, accidental or not. It terrorized a community and it horrifies those who have experienced it for the rest of their lives. You can either be honest with yourselves and accept that this sort of collateral damage is a form of terror, or you can cower behind you irrationality and and stand by your hypocrisy. The American military killed children. Damn us to hell.
Groups such as 373 have been operated by all nations, they serve a purpose. They are not above the law nor the rules of War such discribe in Geneva Convention (this action is allowed under the rules of conduct). They however they do answer to the nation that authorized there use.
"War is hell" W.T. Sherman
There are no innocent civilians.
CAS, take the gloves off, our guys deserve the best we can give 'em.
Liberty is a double-edged sword. Those who think they're fighting for freedom forget they get blood on their hands. If wikileaks proclaims this is a victory for freedom, then they need to stop pretending there isn't any on theirs.
A good terrorist is a dead terrorist
No way 9-11 happened without some type of help from someone or some group on the inside.If we were going after the terrorists of nine eleven we would have invaded saudi arabia and egypt since thats where they were from.As for all you pogues and remfs with diarhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain killing women and children can never be justified.1-10 Cav Ready and Forward!Scouts Out!
The people we are at war against, show no mercy. why should we. War is an ugly thing, and civilians die, it happens, we do what we can to prevent it. but what exactly is so wrong with going into a place with a kill list, and killing the people on that list, if they are bad people? just saying...
I just want to take this moment and say I support Task Force 373 and I completely appreciate everything that they do.
Keep up the good fight! I am so glad you all are on OUR side.
me as well. get some
two thumbs up
You're a prime example of why they call ours a sick society!It's people like you making your sadistic comments on these webbsites that keeps giving America a very bad name.Can't you your sociopathic comments to yourself???
Now tuthfully...did you really think that Tom Clancy and Robert Ludlum just made up those tales of theirs?
Welcome to the real world, boys and girls.
I hate Tom Clancy.
You act like all these countries we have gone to war with are just innocent peace loving people. If I remember correctly Saddam gased his own people with those same weapons we went in after. Asked all the people who lost family during the gas raids about CBRN weaponds not there. I bet they don't care if we found them or not,they know first hand they where there. Don't leave out the truth just to make your stupid ideals justified. Saddam was a murdering his people then and up until we put a end to his evil way's.
@Dagame
"If I remember correctly Saddam gased his own people with those same weapons we went in after."
Yes but you seem to forget that at the same time he gassed his own people he was being supported by the US with cash and the very weapons used against his own people and the Iranians who were at war with Saddam. So its ok for the US to support they're evil ways as you put it but as soon as its not in their interest then its suddenly not OK. Do you not see the hypocrisi of it all? Thats why America is so disliked around the world...you all have such short memories, must be something in the water ya'll drink.
Its truly sad to see the amount of hate comments on this board. Anyway. Lets not forget how this all began. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan on the pretext of peace keeping, war broke out because the sovients were trying to stablish a puppet communist goverment so the people rose up against communism. The US saw this opportunity and decided that it would help the Afghans with weapons and gorrila warfare training provided by the CIA to Bin Laden and others flocking to Afghanistan for the Jihad against the communist infedels. The US goverment played a big role in the rise of fundamentalist Islam since it was in they're best interested at the time to have all these radicalized young muslims to fight against a common enemy (the USSR). Once it was all done and the USSR retreated and left afghanistan, the US lost interest and after years of infighting between the factions that were fighting against the Soviets the Taliban rose above the rest.
So who funded and created fundamentalist/extreemist Islam? The US goverment, and now its turned on them. Who would of though huh?
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You should put down the crack pipe before you share your opinion... but you're on the right track
As an Afghan I am shocked and saddened by the crimes of Nato. No one in this world may be strong enough to bring these criminals justice in this life, but God will do it in next life. You may bomb mosques, kill innocent people in their countries, and kill hundreds from air, but remember, that isn't sometjhing to be proud of.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're from Texas.
this is funny.... they act like this is a secret gov group that assembles at night to assassinate people!! task force is a designator of a special operations unit. all units in socom whether it be marines, army or navy special forces they are designated as a task force. and the corresponding number dictates what branch it is and what company or team. the number can be broken down like a vin number on a car. so this is nothing special. at all. and the operations at night... when do you think it is better to get someone? when they are awake and alert or tired and sleepy with limited night vision capabilities? night time is the answer. and the jpel list is just another acronym for something in the military. they have to name a list of the most wanted and dangerous in the country dont they? just like police officers have a bolo list for the guys that are high profile in their town. this article is clearly trying to make something nominal into a conspiracy. and guess what happens when our forces go to get someone who is wanted, they fight, it is their belief. so we kill them. and the 7 ANA KIA or WIA that is just a simplified way to sup up the troops in contact that occured. these arent indiscriminate assaults. these are very well planed, often months to get enough evidence to capture kill someone. and the operations are professional. if the public only knew how much planning and consideration goes in and what REALLY goes on. the civilian killing and all that is not what REALLY goes on. there are hundreds if not thousands of these operations a year, many taliban die along with NATO and ANA too but civilian is rare!!!! this is the truth. i ask all citizens of the USA and abroad to please know the whole situation and not be biased. war is hell. but it is not all bad. i do respect all opinions but there are facts out there and i feel some people thrive on the negative or what ever feeds there beliefs while ignoring the opposite.
SURE THESE GUYS AINT FROM RUSSIA -373 SOUNDS LIKE THERE WORK
Not to disagree with you, but all units are now called Task Force.
Say you CNN web workers tricked me into seeing this stuff again by putting it in spotlight! Why don't you I think reporters who are doing this just stop you dummies!
the enemy of my enemy is my friend.. art of war..
THAT IS GENOCIDE........PLAIN AND SIMPLE....!!!!
FAIL... Your mother should have swallowed
PARROT-maybe you should look up the definition of Genocide..............you're obviously clueless.
Everybody wants to feel safe and free but nobody likes the price. There are harsh realities in war and they're unfortunate. But unless/until you pick up a weapon and stand on the line-you'll never know. Sometimes collateral damage occurs unintentionally without malice aforethought (in other words by accident). These soldiers have a hard job and I doubt that they are the perpetrators of acts of gross recklessness showing a lack of care for human life. I suspect the truth is quite the opposite-Soldiers try to do the right thing….protecting you and me from the likes of Osama Bin Laden. So I say deal with it! You can’t have your cake and eat it too. AND it’s because of the soldiers of past and presence that you have the right to free speech; not to mention the ideals of being innocent until proven guilty…… I’ve served with some of the finest men and women for more than 22 years-they deserve our best!!!!!!!!
Another thing with a mystery is MYSTERY BABYLON in the book of revelations! Where John of Patmos saw all these things that are to happen!
One man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter.
Remember when Ronald Reagan said that the Afghan freedom fighters were like the founding fathers, fighting for freedom with a strong base of faith and morals and the huge amount of money we sent to them to fight Russia? How about the Challenger mission being dedicated to the plight of the Afghan people, and their courageous struggle for freedom?
Maybe it's only terrorism, when the US is the foreign power / invader who is killing people?
Double Standards people... look into them.
A most shocking revelation is the double game played by Pakistan who receives more than $1 billion of U.S. tax payers' money a year - They line up terrorists to hit Americans. But, it makes one raise this question: Why has American money been used to sponsor actions on all sides (not without awareness)?
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Robert Heinlein put it pretty good. I'm paraphrasing here, but the point is just about right:
There are three types of people in the world: the sheep, the wolves, and the sheepdogs. The sheep don't like the sheepdogs because their teeth remind them of the wolves. But when a wolf comes around, you'll find 30 sheep trying to hide behind one sheepdog.
Basically, all of the naive civilians out there who think we can fight a "nice" war and talk the Taliban to death....if you ever had them dropped in a combat zone, about to be beheaded by the "wolves", you would find them praying for one of those soldiers from 373 to come and save the day.
Comparing units like this to the SS is wrong, and just plain inaccurate. The SS intentionally carried out the genocide of Jews and other groups. These SpecOp guys go after the bigwigs who direct the attacks against American soldiers and Afghani civilians. Sometimes the op goes bad, but thats never the intention. Not so with the SS or the Taliban.
Not really the SS didnt only work in execution camps they preformed a wide range of tasks during the war including single target opperations.They even did rescue missions like when the 502nd SS battalion dropped behind enemy lines and rescued Musolini from allied hands.
"Not really the SS didnt only work in execution camps"
The fact that they did at all means they should not be used as a comparison. Unless you really believe the US has Nazi style death camps set up......then again I wouldn't be surprised if your grasp on reality really was that far gone.
@ seidan1
Death camps ? no
But a soldier is a soldier he has no say with politics so yes the comparison is quite accurate to generalise them as evil like you do is just wrong.
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PU BE DOING A FAVOR TO ALL THE TERRORISTS -TURING THEM ALL INTO MARTYRS AT ONCE AND SENDING THEM ALL TO THERE PARADISE AND THERE 70 VIRGINS
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Amazes me how many people on here write "crawl back into your cave".... Grow up, that's the best you can think of??? Also, some of you may find it suprising that while you say 4000 (which is a wrong count) Americans died on 9.11, I dare you to do the research to learn how many of those people you justify the W.O.T. are actually Americans (hint hint.... WTC had quite a few illegals working there). Also, some of you may want to read the actual text from Bin Laden which gives his reason for the attacks (which were in response to America's actions), NOT THAT I AGREE WITH IT, but much like how we will label the friend of a brother's cousin's sister of Taliban an "enemy combatant", Bin Laden labels anyone who worked for or contracted with the American federal gov't and corporations a terrorist.... therefore his justification for attacking America. But that would be unamerican of many of you to read that liberal crap and actually do some critical thinking.
the censor strikes again -on my last comment -the first amendment i guess is the first casualty these days
The Germans had a unit like 373 in WWII. They called it the SS. All countries have units that do "special" work – and of course they all deny it – wink, wink.
To paraphrase former US President Teddy Roosevelt – 'there are those who must walk in the shadows so that others can walk in the light of day'. Enough said.
Now tuthfully...did you really think that Tom Clancy and Robert Ludlum just made up those tales of theirs?
Is this really the whole story? Probably not, it never is, yet people still want to pass judgment....I feel and pray for every single innocent life that has been stolen or cut short in this (these) wars, and everyone who has been affected by them
your talking about a country where they stone there women /burn there men alive -behead people and slaughter animals in tribal areas for breakfast -slaughter and life in these hard regions means nothing to these people ,im suprised that they even complained there decendants of scythians-read there history and understand .as for our military people they go off of intelligence given them by suposidly credible sources amongst there own -granted you would expect pro"s to hit there target -but nothings for for sure in the heat of battle .give them a break -thank god at least you are not there in harms way in there place – the russians used to have a little jigg went like this "as a soldier lying wounded on afghans plains -before there women come out to cut up your remains ,be a goods soldier -roll on your rifle and blow out your brains .etc etc etc . – expect no less from the taliban -thats what type of war is being fought over there -so who are you to judge -you havent been there or are not there now .
To "querty all star". "Broken English"? Mistakes happen especially when writing so fast to post the opinion.
At least, I speak two languages: English-Spanish. My nationality? The CIA and FBI are reading these posts.
Let them find out!!!
The cia might findout what,you have been giving ubl dirty sanchezes behind the 7-11 in kabul.
THE NUCLEAR BOMB OVER HIROSHIMA AND NAGAZAKI WAS INTENDED TO KILL CIVILIANS!!!
BY THE WAY, THE BOMBS ALSO INCINERATED THE AMERICANS POW!!!
I bet that the right-wing media didn't print that,did they?
Oh just an FYI, there's a button on your keyboard, just to the left of the "A," labeled "CAPS lock." When the little green light is on it means you automatically look like an idiot and will not be taken seriously. Hope that helps (although I doubt it).
There are probably at least 10 successful raids to every failed raid yet the liberal news media including CNN chooses to report only the failures.
Isn't that the other way around,Jim,except for the NATO raids being only too successful?The news media is right-wing,not left-wing or otherwise they wouldn't be bragging so much on NATO's successes.
that might be the most.... ill educated comment i have ever seen.
Everyone complaining about collateral and saying that we are no better than the Taliban need to remember this: we do not intentionally kill innocents. Yes, innocent people die, thats war, but we never drop a bomb for the express purpose of killing an innocent, especially a child. The Taliban do intentionally kill innocent civilians.
We were attacked on 9/11. Afghanistan is our response to that. It is no different than a police officer responding to a crime, albeit on a larger scale. The purpose of government is to preserve the rights of its citizens and provide for the common defense. A failed state in Afghanistan presents a danger to the common defense, and while we go out of our way to ensure collateral doesn't happen, things do not always go right. I am sorry. But do not think in a million years that what we do is anything akin to the terrorists we are fighting.
Semper Fi 373
your point is the most salient of all....in any endeavor (war, business, sports, etc) the "intent" of the action is the key....the U.S. does not intentionally kill/target non-combatants/civilians......terrorist intentionally kill/target non-combatants/civilians....it really is that simple
well, makes sense
They also dress like "non-combatants/civilians".
Well said, my friend. Don't let the media's leaping over a mouse terd affect your thinking or morale...we all see right through their Emperor's Clothes for how totally useless they are. People who jump in here are just everyday people responding to the bovine spatter that's put out there to do exactly that...fire them up for no reason whatsoever in a childish attemtp to make themselves (the media) look important. Just a thougth. Knightsix
"Death is unfortunate, and civilian casualties are regrettable; but that's what war is– and besides, Dave's right, after the gutless attack on us on our home ground, we owe it to our dead to bring the fight the enemy's door."
So by your reasining, since according to Bush 9/11 was an act of war, then the 3,000 civilian casualties are just... ho hum, war casualties, regrettable but hey, that's war, right?
This begs the question, why are U.S. civilian lives more sacred than Afghan civilian lives? You think it's okay to retaliate against civilians? And where did you get the idea that the Taliban attacked us? It was Al Qaeda, wasn't it? Last I heard they're operating in Norway. Shall we attack Norway next?
Your arguments are just rehash and don't make any sense.
Diana,
We are trying to stop those responsible, those we are fighting are to cowardly to follow any traditional rules or laws of war. Despite what you may think, the US Military does not intentionally target innocent civilians, but when those that are being targeted hide behind women and children what are they supposed to do? Do you want US Servicemen and women to stand in the open and be shot and not return fire? Those responsible for 9-11 did not target military targets, the pentagon isn't even really a military target and the twin towers sure wasn't one. That is the difference.
Diana,
You are an Oxygen thief! Bad guy's are real! And we are not the bad guy's. I fought in several different countries and believe it or not I made friends and still talk with them to this day. Yes Diana I'm a proud Evil American who fought so you can continue to steal oxygen...
"AFGHANISTAN: THE LONGEST LOST WAR". By James Petras. An Essay. @ petras.lahaine.or.
READ THAT ARTICLE AND COMPARE WITH JUST CAME TO LIGHT!!!
This war isn't lost we could just pull our boy out of the way. Fire up the B1 name Enola Gay 2 and right history once again.
These "human rights groups" are nothing more than people bent on destroying the U.S. They should all be glad we just don't nuke these Terrorists (not anyone else) back to where they belong.
is that possible? Nuke someone back to where they belong? I mean Drop a nuke, BAM, and then all of a sudden they(just the bad people) appear in their native land? DANG, nuclear warfare has come a long way in the past few yrs. im shocked
I would like to know how you plan on only nuking the terrorists (no one else). Like that other guy, I didn't know nuclear weaponry had become so advanced!
To "JEREMY".What "freedom" you fight about? "freedom" to kill? The ONLY reason why this war has lasted is because
the militants are kicking you asss, and without havin armors, air force and navy, eh?
Afghganistan is a lost war for the USA!!!
hey latin, based on your broken english, im guessing that youre not here ( yes i know. Silly me ) Where exactly are you from?
i like reading the comments on here. Some people actually know( or have clue whats going on) others are speaking some gung ho nonsense and have never fired a weapon in their lives. Others are speaking jibberish. Either way bin laden( or who ever is behind this nonsense) has done what he intended to do. cause the american people to divide and fight amongst themselves. That was the masterminds whole intent. come on people, we are americans. We fight to stand together.....or so i thought
yes bin laden is behind this evul i know it all along he is using the thruth to hurt us.
....what an exelent way to deal with critisism why dont you just blaime satan instead obiusly he is the mastermind
YOU STUPID FAT DUMB AMERICAN
sorry for that I cant help it I just detest your kind with every fiber in my body. Your ignorance and stupidity is so amazing at times im puzzeled why your goverment has not yet assigned special aid workers to help you americans with a body wheight 5 times higher than your iq. Well they should certaintly think of it you and your equals the perfect sheep.
You're just a big, fluffy, cuddly, teddy bear aren't you.
Ironic for you to insult someone's intelligence in a post with that many grammatical and spelling errors.
God knows I'm not going to listen to an argument from a person who is completely incomprehensible.
You said the right thing.
We are Indians and know much more about ordinary Americans
indians hahahahahahhahahaaha
well i bet you there are sheephearders in inner Mongolia who knows more about the world than Americans.
And regular Americans? Latinos you mean
THE USA IS A GENOCIDAL POWER FOUNDED ON TWO FUNDAMENTAL CRIMES:
1.SLAVERY OF "BLACKS".
2.GENOCIDE OF NATIVE INDIANS.
WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM RACIST AND GENOCIDAL DESCENDANTS OF EUROPEANS? EVIL!!!!
Makes sence the ones who emigrated to usa was the filth the crimminals the cracy religius fanatics and the plain dumb.
Not as bad as Australias prison colony backround but close.
May I ask where you two hail from? Please let me know so that I might follow you much more enlightened ways.
hey -latin lover "dont you ever forget what type of people we are " :} hey what country do you live in ????????got any oil there :} any wmd -how bout hot women and good food -"mexico" i think well take them for a test drive next :} -whats our motto latin lover -"NO MORRALS -NO VALUES-NO MERCY " OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN :}
Sound a lot like what spanish did when they came to the new world. So the latins start the new world on its path. Maybe we should punish you since you are the ones who taught us this behavior.
You're full of s.h.i.t. man, and an outright blathering racist idiot. Knightsix.
Please Search BOYCOTT WIKILEAKS on facebook, and join my grassroots movement against this greedy organization that has betrayed America, our national security, and the lives of service men and women that are defending them so they can run their greedy corrupt schemes here in freedom.
they have indeed thrown a wrinkle in everything. i truly hope that we pull out of afghanistan soon before something bad happens
Get off of it,Benjamin.Exactly what have you against the people being informed?Do you really want censorship of the press? I don't!!!
I'd love to know exactly what you're "boycotting".
Somebody explain to me how an un-accountable black government that can always hide behind plausible deniability or claim all this is "for our own good" is good for actual freedom?
You people make me laugh. How many of you that are complaining about this have ever served in a war? Maybe one or two? You all sure seem to know a lot about combat and what its like for not even being there. The Taliban hate thier own people. They want to basicaly enslave them and have the afghan people live in constant fear. They go around every day killing women and children of afghanistan. This all leaked from wiki leaks, an online based system that you dont even know if its true and you people are holding on to every word like its the bible. Speaking of the bible those that say they believe in allah so they must die you are dumb. Allah means god. The only major difference between muslim and most other religions is that jesus is only a profit to them and not thier savior. Why arn't you guys on here bashing WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam or hell the wars other countries have fought in that we didn't. All wars have had women and children killed by both sides during combat. You guys need to realize that troops act under orders. We give up our rights when we enlist. We fight for your freedom but we give up ours in the process. Yes i said we. I am on my second combat tour and i have seen the good and the bad sides of war. Just the other day i had a small afghan boy about 3 years in age climb up into my lap while i was sitting down and gave me a hug. I look over at our interp. and the boys dad and he was crying because before we drove the taliban out his son has never been that happy and free. i am sick of typing so i will leave you people with two things. 1. The only reason this war is lasting so long is because all the americans that cry over spilt milk make our jobs extremly hard so we are fighting with our hands tied behind our backs. 2. Most of us military members have degrees ranging from A.A.S to Masters and we didnt pay a dime for them. So how are we stupid when we have a job we will never lose, free health care at any hospital, and free money for unlimted education that we earned.
HAHAH preach on man! i just wish for one thing though. THat you guys come on back safe and SOON! you take care of yourself over there, and make sure that you make it back dude
Jeremy, God bless you and thank you for protecting our country. Please be safe and know that there is still a LOT of us Americans that will stand firm behind you soldiers, no matter what the cause of war was.
And I'm usually not a huge fan of Robin Williams, but he seemed to have a pretty good idea of how to deal with Afghanistan: "Well we could nuke them back to the stone age, but that would be an UPGRADE for them!"
Again, God bless each and every one of our US soldiers, and may they make the devil himself turn around and flee!
in most areas that would not happen, when i was in marja with 1/6 marines the people never liked us, when i was in zabul they never liked us being there, so you must of been north somewhere, those arent even afghans in the north, they arent pashtuns[afghans]. we arent the world police, why is afghanistan so important throughout history? its not because there are terrorists living there, everyone knows there are 10's of trillions dollars worth of resources, and its location. a lot of peope fail to remember is that our weaponry is far more advanced then theres, they use homemade bombs while we use million dollar ones, and we are the ones who still complain...we have been trained to fight not to use CAS all the time. wheres your balls!?
So you must have JUST LEFT if you were with the 1/6 Marines. Since they were there in at least March of this year...
Because you're proving that war is necessary when it's not the only answer. In 10 years now – what has been accomplished. I'm from that part of the world – Pathans/Afghans don't follow any laws and it's next to impossible to create a real country out of that mess.
BTW, if you think you're so smart to be getting everything you have by being in the Army – you should stop and think how you're simply messing up other people's lives to take for yourself. Perhaps, those that don't want to go and kill are the smart ones since they realize what's really going on. You're just sheep being led to slaughter.
To "ASSAULTDOG": There are NOT more virgins. I got them alll BUT do not bend over just in case.
The only problem is that the terrorist/murders choose to hid behind and work among so-called civilians. So place the blame where it lies.
Irishmob, pretty much what your saying is terrorism, and genocide, very hypocritical, you buy into what people say too much. You want to fight an entire group of people for what? Just beause someone told you that it was Arabs who flew planes into 2 building and people died? How do you know it was them, obviously its easy to blame them, use them and then get what you want. Straight out of the movies and its got you fooled.
Do you argue with everything?
2 wrongs never make a right!!! And WAR will always be UGLY!!!
but 3 do.
Problem is that we only killed 7.......we need to kill 7 million. We have been fighting this war like a bunch of sissies. In WWII we would have been carpet bombing everything. Today we sit back and play whack a mole....well, guess what.....we can't win that way. They say we are committing atrocity...let's give it to them. I would like to suggest an economic boycott of all Muslim owned and financed corporations.....time to play economic war. BTW, you know they have been protecting UBL and Zawahiri......you people are so stupid. USA has been paying Pakistan to run the very Taliban that are killing your troopers. Damned you're stupid....at least the Russians didn't beat themselves....geesh.
We ended WW1 with the start of communism and we ended WW2 with the USSR armed with nuclear weapons that threaten us to this day.
benjamindavidson... i bet your like 40 years old but the mind of a child. you make it sound like in america its all war and its so crazy over here. not really, over in afghanistan yes. why because of the occupation. i guess you cant get it through your thick head thats everything before 2001 was a pretext for invasion. so these children and women and men who die in bombings from planes are terrorists huh? wow, you are so lost in lala land that anything the government says is truth.
God Bless TF373. When they're done over there, put their talents to work here.
That's funny,Bubba.I thought that we were at war against terrorism,not for it!!!
How do you expect God to bless a well trained bunch of professional killers who are totally sociopathic?Exactly what church do you belong to?It definately can't be Christian!!!
Makes you wonder what kinds of operations are carried out against our own citizens.
The marvels of modern chemistry, superthermite, fulminated mercury... sadly, there is no need to wonder the facts are there for all to see.
Idiot!
It's about time we had our own terrorist force.Now we can kill more people than we could before thanks to Task Force 373!
YABA-DABA-DOO to that!!!
The killing of innocents fuels the insurgency more than any other factor.... we are creating more enemies so the war machine can perpetuate itself indefinitely – for the benefit of all the $$business$$ enterprises and $$Congressmen$$ that benefit, directly and indirectly, from these wars. Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan had anything to do with 911 – regardless what countless ignorant low ranking military personnel seem to believe.
Good post,CGeorgeK.
Explain to me your meaning of the term "innocent". The US Military does not randomly kick in a door to somebodies house and just start shooting the place up. Maybe if you are so innocent you shouldn't be standing anywhere near the guys we are fighting. Please don't tell me that you honestly think those "innocent" people over there don't know who the fighters are and aren't. Don't stand next to a Taliban fighter, don't support a Taliban fighter and you'll be less likely to die like a Taliban fighter.
its a game of nepotisim and relativity -the good guys and bad guys are related they wont give up anyone to the u.s. they may even help harm us for a feee -but when it comes down to it yjeyll kill each other –these folks remindme of "ferengi " than humans =ferengi big eared crooked alien s on star trek voyager movie -scanolousness have no bounds with these "things"
Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11? What kind of revisionist are you? Let me lay this out for you in short sentences using small words so you can understand.
1. Bad guys (what other people call terrorists) blew up our planes, buildings and people.
2. The bad guys learned how to be bad guys in bad guy camps (terrorist training sites) in Afghanistan.
3. Afghanistan (and the Taliban that was in charge) supported the bad guy camps.
its unfortunate that the us allowed imbedding media with us forces and missions of critical importance,this is another prime example of what war really is and the cost of life associated with it it.people often forgett that death is part of war like it or not.war is not casualty free on either side.
no you're just an idiot
🙂 – I second.
I guess CNN likes the idiots replying more than th etruth, they censored my reply
The bottomline: American government is no better than the terrorists themselves. Over the past decade, American army has probably killed 50 times as many innocent Afghans and Iraqis as the number of innocent Americans that died on 9/11. That is a shameful statistic. The answer to terrorism can never be terrorism itself.
Lets get something straight (to the Americans that fail to understand why America interferes with every countries business): America is in it to control resources, and to make their companies profitable, and to make a handful of rich Americans even richer. They have a hidden agenda, which is why they lie to their own public.
Those who justify the killing of innocent Afghans and Iraqs are cowards. They live in their well protected houses in the US and can never even begin to understand the hardships that most Afghans and Iraqs have to face. Every day life is a struggle for them. Many don't have food, water, and shelter. All they want to do is live in peace (thats right only a small minority of those people are actually what the Americans refer to as "terrorists").
i agree with you 100% arsalan/its called world dominance.think of the game risk only its played for real!!!!!!
The sin of Americans lies in their trust in the state. Americans are mostly socialists if either the right or left wing verity.
The mess the US has made in the Arab world is enormous. Were it not for the US, the corrupt governments of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Syria would have been overthrown and replaced with democracies decades ago. Same goes for several lessor Arab states. Iran would probably be a democracy today if the CIA hadn't overthrown it and appointed the Shaw.
Yes, maybe the US should take their cue from the good old British Empire building days. That worked out so well didn't it?
It is funny how the US gets blamed for everything and then tragedy strikes and who is the first person there to lend a helping hand.....oh thats right, the US. I wish we could just pull back all of our forces and then watch the world demand help when the next major earthquake, typhoon or whatever strikes and just listen to the cries of "where are the Americans?'
islamic republics aint democracys there ultra orthodox religious instututions -worse than communists regemes -two things islam fails in
1. never have a political leader and a religious leader -running the show as the same man -the politician will corrupt the religious man every time ..
2. and what the hell is with alot of the islamic religious national leaders do they all have to wear turbins-ak 47"s and camoflage coats -is that a political statement or fashion design ???,
It's funny how everyone hates America. The truth is when you hate us you are hating yourselves because we are you.
America is made up of people from every corner of the freaking world. The only reason you hate us is it only took us 200 years to get it right.You have had how long and you still live in mud huts. Look in the mirror and blame yourselves for once in life.
If its such a small minority... THan why cant they just turn over these Terrorist!!!???? But see... they cant because they are the Taliban... ohh.h.. . shoot.... there it is... They support the TALIBAN and Muslims killing Jews and AMERICANS>>>> OHHHH>> > SHOOOT>>>> MUSLIMS=Terrorist Support As long as you keep feeding them and arming them and letting them in your homes... The more we have to come in there and root them out!!!! So Yes this is not like WWW 1 or 2 this is WAR OF THE COWARDS!!!! who wont stand and fight... They send in women strapped with bombs, and teach children how to kill... No>>> these people deserve no quarter as they simply need to be exterminated. There will never be peace until they are gone!!!! So word to the wise... Dont help the Taliban or be anywhere they are!!!!
In my opinion, 1 million Muslims should die for every innocent American who died on 9/11. If my math is correct, that comes to about 3 billion Muslims. Sounds about right to me.
man that sounds like the best calulation i have ever heard....if only there were enough of them to meet that quota....
Answer to Terroism is to flatten Pakistan and Muslim world... if you jsutify killings in the name of Religion then you should be ready to fight leke a Man, why is teh muslim world SCAAAAAAred? Muslims just farted and pooed in their pants ..:)
@ Naqvi
Killings of Afghans? That is done mostly by Po*nistanis (Paki)..so by your logic Pakistan needs to be Flattened and all Pakkis should be burried in the poo of the world. Guys I have an idea, the best way to Teach Pakkis a lesson is to dump all the poo and drainage of the world onto Pakistan.. that way the Pakkis will be burried in the poo and some day the land will become fertile too.. GREEN POO REVOLUTION
Really? How do you know? Have you been there to see how they live? I have. I was there for the first Iraqi elections and saw these people that had no voice previously with Saddam submit their fingerprint and vote. Tell those people that finally have freedom that they don't deserve it.
War is hell and bad things happen to good people. I personally prefer to fight (and yes I am in the Military) terrorism in someone else's back yard.
Extremely well put,arsalan naqvi.I couldn't have stated better myself!
Latin lover I agree with you, I'm headed over to your village right now to take all your virgins and enslave all my new workers.
gee, imagine our government lying to Americans! They always have and always will. Thanks for someone coming forward and telling the truth. These guys are similar to our politicians. They will say whatever it takes to make themselves look better. Common sense tells that these things are going on, but our gov't tends to lie instead of being truthful
Latin Lover is just upset Arizona is kicking out his family and relatives by the end of the week :*(
I don't care who you are, thats funny!
how the hell ya gonna do that when we got you surrounded and out numbered :} random ?????
NO SURPRISE!!! Westen countries are a catalog of racism, genocide and pillage!!!
Well put,LATIN LOVER!
The Portugese invented slave trade and the Germans created the holocaust. Racism and genocide fit the eastern hemisphere.
Actually the slave trade was not invented by Europeans, it originated in the north eastern Africa and Asia Minor area thousands of years before the Europeans.
They are also the ones that come bail Europe out every time they screw up.
Wiki FAILURE Leaks is just using this as a publicity stunt, to up their page views, and gain ad revenue, at the expense and lives and national secrets of the USA.. They should be tried for Treason, and espionage and disclosing a national secret to an enemy combatant and HUNG.
Keep in mind they are committing treason against the US GOVERNMENT; not the American People.
Against whom would an SS officer be committing treason if he were to have released large numbers
of pictures of the death camps to the German people back in 1942?
Benjamin,please get over your right-wing mob mentality!
Tea, anyone?
Yes, I'll have some please. I'm going to open up a free oxygen Bar so these fool's dont keep stealling our air! I am a proud American Marine. No burkahs allowed!
Have you even looked at the Wikileaks website, Mr. Davidson? They DO NOT sell ad space. There is not a SINGLE ad on the website. What is this publicity stunt you're referring to? What ulterior motive do they have? Please inform me, sir.
aaaaammmmmeeeennnnnn!!!!!!!!!
So, if the dead of 9/11 gave us the right to kill those that supported the operation. That is the same logic that they use to justify 9/11. They killed our so.... there is no end except annihilation if this is the route that civilzed nations choose.
I hate to think what may happen if the American Indians ever want revenge.
If they took the perspective of many here, they could kill us all and it would be okay if they justified their action using the same methods we do. I am thankful that in my life I have been fortunate to meet many Native Americans across America and they have without exception, shown far more peace, more honor, more respect for life, the land, the sea, the air, and even those(us) who have taken so much from them. Native Americans have respect in their blood where we have immense greed, contempt, thirst for blood, and utter disregard for all but ourselves. There is a fork in the road ahead and if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
Take your Meds Doug!
Frg239, so I was defending your freedoms then right? I was there in Afghanistan, side by side the soldiers, and marines, in firefights, the soldiers and marines say it themselves, "we dont know why were here." its ridiculous. profits to be made at the price of innocents, what do you think when people do when they are invaded? luckily the dutch and canadians, and australians will be out soon, and we should just leave afghanistan to afghans. and spend money on our own country.
All I have to say is thanks for the Muffins, poptarts and gatoraid
Wow! that brings back memories. I cant stomach that stuff anymoore.
No problem. I hope the drinks were still cold.
Real Smart Whiskey, innocent men, women, and children were responsible for 9/11??. give me a break this whole war is based on lies, its all about profits, i actually was in afghanistan for 2 years as a contractor, going out with the special forces and marines and i know the truth on ground, people dont want us there. most afghans are farmers and they just wanna live simple lives they dont want any trouble but we go in there and raid their homes and it makes it worse. get out and we should spend money on our own country, education, health, borders, but no its more political, whiskey thinks its because of 9/11 its so obvious that its not its about the resources and afghanistan's location.
Hey Davis you dumb sack of afgan fly poop. It's kinda hard to focus on our own country when they are flying planes into our biggest cities and killing 3k people in a day. When they are trying to explode poison gas bombs on the subways in NYC when they are trying to kill, hurt and maim people IN AMERICA everyday. The Terrorist brought this crap on themselves. I'm sure there were good People in Germany during the Third Reich, but they paid the price of their evil co-citizens. WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING EVIL PROSPERS- WINSTON CHURCHILL...
The terrorists came over here because of what we (our government) has done over there. That is why they attacked New York instead of Oslo.
Our CIA has been very busy throughout the mideast and has done a lot of damage that we Americans know little about.
Keep in mind that this is not over oil as the oil will be for sale no matter who runs these countries. This is about OUR GOVERNMENT controlling the oil.
Afghanistan produces 0 (that's 0, as in none) bbl of oil per day which ranks them as the 114th highest oil producing country in the world. By comparison the US produces 19.5 million bbl per day, which ranks the US as the 3rd highest producer in the world (behind Saudi Arabia and Russia).
I'm pretty sure it's not about oil. (Now the gas pipeline on the other hand could be another matter)
Er, sorry, US = 9.something per day, not 19.
good to hear what ppl who actually have been there think....thanks for sharing ur insights....some ppl unfortunatly just dont or wont understand..
@ Davis, you are correct Sir.
@ Benjamin Davidson, I was hoping to get your thoughts on why do you think 9/11 happened, I.e. What do u think the root causes for 9/11 were. I am asking honestly and not trying to make fun of your thoughts, I honestly would like to hear your opinion. Thanks very much. 🙂
To Hazmat: Bin Laden was very clear about why he concocted the 9/11 plot. He hated the US for having troops in Saudi Arabia, which he considers sacred because Mecca and Medina are located there. (We were in Saudi Arabia, nowhere near Mecco or Medina, at the invitation of the Saudi government, but that didn't seem to count for much with him.) At least that's how I understand the reason for 9/11.
Dave well said!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also let's not forget where these terrorist thugs masterminded such terrible attack on innocent civilians. US has been very mild in tackling the real culprits. They have let Pakistani government and its spy agency stew these murderous plans What US should do is take on the Pakistanis directly. Since 2001 we have donated/committed nearly 18 billion dollars to this wretched country, and received nothing in return. Osama is still in hiding. Terrorist activities continue unabated with Pakistani ISI's covert support. Our tax dollars are being wasted in feeding an unreliable ally in form of Pakistan. The US needs Pakistan to access Afghanistan – a landlocked country. Currently Pakistan is the only viable option for US to combat terrorists hiding in the hinterland between Pakistan & Afghanistan. USA could save billions of dollars if it had a real ally in that region. And it can create one and more such allies by disintegrating Pakistan, and help our marines access the terrorist habitats directly from the Persian Gulf.
Many regions of Pakistan already have people who want to secede from the country. USA can help this process by coordinating with the political leaders of NWFP, Balochistan, Sindh and Karachi to disintegrate Pakistan under the supervision of the United Nations.
The Following new countries can be formed:
– REPUBLIC OF PAKHTOONISTAN
– REPUBLIC OF BALOCHISTAN
– PEOPLES’ REPUBLIC OF SINDHUDESH
– REPUBLIC OF JINNAHPUR
USA will then have direct access to deal with the terrorists without having to bribe the Pakistanis.
yeah we all can point out 9/11
but we dont know the proxy wars that we run and directly or indirectly kill ppl...cause and effect
we are not as saintly as we pretend to be
Yet another responsible comment from one of our well-educated Marines. Brains and brawn never did fit together very well, did they?
Seemed like an intelligent answer to me, Alexander. They STARTED the war. They sheltered Bin Laden and his cronies. Remember? That was the human garbage that killed 4000 innocent Americans whose only crime was to go to work one sunny September day. Or have you already forgotten?
IDIOT
Just because you are a limp wristed sissy boy who imagines his intellect is greater than others does not mean that only those of you ilk are the only intelligent people on the planet. Your dismissal of those who stand on the line and protect you rights on a daily basis proves just how sad and pathetic a person you truly are.
Alexander, you're a worthless and cowardly piece of crap. Only in America would we disrespect men and women who volunteer to put themselves in harms way to protect civillians. Regarding your brawn and intellect statement... ever heard of the service academies? I would lay money that any graduate from West Point, Annapolis or the Air Force academy could have just as easily gotten into any Ivy league. Oh yea, ex-army, Stanford MBA here.
Insulting the Marines, huh. I'd like to stay completely politically neutral as I say, why don't you go and try to do what they do and then you can make idiotic comments like that if you come back alive.
There have only ever been two forces on earth that offered their lives for you: Jesus Christ and the American GI. On died for you soul and the other for your freedom.
Having served this great country I am always conflicted. I am proud that my sacrifices have made it possible for you to say these things but I am disgusted that you'd be so ungrateful.
Is this another bunch of elite killers like the German SS?It appears that way!!!
Yeah, the Taliban are just like innocent jews, gypsies, etc. Why don't you actually read a book about the SS before you make stupid comparisons.
What's so stupid about Bledsoe's comment?The German SS did use terror tactics during WW2 just like Task Force 373 is doing now in Afghanistan.
Those seven kids were Taliban? Oh, well in that case I guess it's ok...
Comparing them to a Mossad hit squad would probably be more accurate than the SS.
It is clear after reading maney of the comments posted on this site that indivduals who know notihng of the military or of Special Forces say the most outrages and incorrect things. TF 373 is an elite group of soldiers like all Special Forces soldiers. They are not blood thursty murders, they simpley have a job to do and do it well. The JPEL list is a vetted target list, meaning that individuals on this list have had files built agaisnt them and go before a board. Once individuals are placed on this list they will be targeted. Every combat soldier in Afghanitsn will at one point conduct a mission to kill or capture these high ranking or high value targets. They are IED makers, trainers, and suppliers. They enemey does not hind in caves they hind in thier homes, in friends homes, and in homes of Afghans that they don't even know. They do this becuase they know our limitations. They know the value that we place on life which is higher than they ever will. So question why those chiledren were there don't simplely question soliders for doing their jobs that you would be to affaird to ever do. Next time you see a soldier in uniform thank them for their service don't look down your long nose at them and judge.
Thanks for trying to clear this up for so many of the retards on this site. Accept the fact there are people out there who are willing to sacrifice everything to put all bad people in the earth. From reading that report, you don't know if it was the 373 people that killed those children, or was it the person(s) they were going after that did it before they got there. The TB and AQ people do not care who around them gets injured while they hide with their tail in between their legs. They have one job, IED, trainer, money, bomber, whatever it is, that is their task. They don't care who lives and dies. Most of your "friends, relatives, or whom ever" that have been to Iraq or Afghanistan have probably never been on a "mission", they never left the base, but they still had an important job, they deserve their credit. However, applaud the fighters of 373 for only they know the truth to these stories and continue to carry out the difficult missions night after night to end this war.
I remember a time when the US soldier was considered with more respect. You are now loosing the sense of honour that a soldier should have. Not only I am not grateful for what american soldiers are doing, but think that this behaviour endanger my life and that of the american that are esposed more and more at retaliation. You are a paid to do a job, but this should not be a job. I am disgusted by this celebration of the war and this rhetoric that looks more and more like the militarism present in Europe in the 30ies.
Interesting reply from a Special Forces member. It shows that they really think it is absolutely ok to have a list of assassinations, without any legal basis. Just imagine if that list is drawn up 'by the other side'. All of a sudden it would be criminal.
Rafiq,
I was a soldier (obviously not a Special Forces Soldier) and it is 100% okay to have a target list of individuals to be killed or captured. If they choose to come quietly they can live and if not; oh well. These people are responsible for countless American, Coalition, Afghan security forces and civilian deaths. Maybe you don't understand that when a bomb goes off in a crowded market civilians are the worst hit.
De Opresso Liber my friend from a former SF trooper from another war. 5th and 3rd Groups. Those who have not walked in our boots will never know .... and I damned sure will never tell them.
In Vietnam the value they placed on their family members came home to me when an old lady was caught in a crossfire. The U.S. gave the family $500 and that was ok with them. Six months later their water buffalo was shot and they demanded no less than $900. In Afghanistan it is worse because they are taught that the fastest way to paradise is to be killed in battle so when they lose a family member they know they went to Paradise. TF 373 just sends more of the RIGHT ones there.
I am curious Bledsoe, did your dad or grand dad live in Oakland CA in 1969? I came back from my first tour and I think it was him I threw out the window of a city bus going down 14th Ave. He called a couple of us baby killers and spit in my face. At least he had the guts to make such remarks to our face, unlike you who hide behind your Computer. Until you join the Military and carry a gun in combat, keep your trap shut, you insult better men than you will ever be.
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I am curious Bledsoe, did your dad or grand dad live in Oakland CA in 1969? I came back from my first tour and I think it was him I threw out the window of a city bus going down 14th Ave. He called a couple of us baby killers and spit in my face. At least he had the guts to make such remarks to our face, unlike you who hide behind your Computer. Until you join the Military and carry a gun in combat, keep your trap shut, you insult better men than you will ever be.
It's hard to dictate what happened when you weren't there. We're not the bad guys, believe that. These people over there hide behind their children and families while engaging us in direct combat. What are we supposed to do? Stand there and let them kill us? Nothing in my job description said anything about standing there waiting to die.
its evidendent more higher caliber guns with more penetration are needed by our troops to shoot terrorist through several people then i guess :}
sad but true....
Get over it. It is simply not possible to have a war without casualties. Killing is necessary.
This reminds me of the immortal and ironic words of the GOP candidate from Kentucky, “I’m not thinking about Afghanistan; foreign policy is really a complete non-issue.".
But killing civilians is avoidable, and it's a war crime if done with knowledge.
German Publications should shut up! Germany must have paid off George Marshall. They should have been cannibalized out of existence by all the neighboring countries.
Yea the truth hurts when someone gives false information about terrorists holding up in a Mosque and they instead force children to stay there until it is attacked and the children are killed it is those who give false information and caused the deaths of these 7 children who will be held responsible and that is truth!
GOD KNOWS ALL!
Is it not possible for anyone to track this moron? I am sure, he wakes up and vomits all these verbiage and goes back to his sleeper cell.
Bolt u, or was it another fastening device.
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All is fair in war, especially the kind we are fighting.
Terrorists say the same thing.
Billy, perhaps you can do better than parroting lines from "Billy Madison". Fitting though.
Agreed
Agreed....Task force 373? I've got no problem with that concept
i think we should have a TF 373 to take care of our inner city gang problem.
Our inner city gang problem would disappear along with the Afghanistan insurgents if the drugs that support them financially were legalized. While we are at it; terrorists in South America would also be starved for cash.
Is prohibition really worth loosing multiple wars?
Absolutely. And we need to give 373 a full assortment of predator drones.
Mr Man...If you feel that way, please be aware of Frederick Forsyth's next novel (The Cobra) which is about exactly that wish of yours except not street gangs, but the drug cartels.
It is ironic that you refer to inner city gangs since prior to this 'war' Afghanistan produced about 10% of the worlds heroin, since this started Afghanistan produces over 90% of the world heroin production and mysteriously enough, somehow the majority of that heroin winds up in the USA in the hands of the gangs you seek to eradicate.
If your kid was shot dead dead in school with his classmates would you accept the death as easily?
I have a problem with task force 373 too, they should be task force L337!!! Am i right?
Agreed in concept, but the execution leaves a few things to be desired. Hunting down and eliminating enemy leaders is to be expected, but to send a secret unit out to do so with no accountability is intolerable.
Oh, and Afganistan produced over 90% of the worlds Heroin before 2001.
If these war games are considered STRATEGIC.....then it is my wish that the RAT GETS ICE...D
9-11 was started by a hell bent President Bush who wanted to pay Saddam back for threatening daddy. Bush knew Congress, even controlled by the neo-cons wouldn't approve of his attack first, ask questions later. So he and his henchmen devised a plan. They knew the terrorists were already in America, and they knew an attack was coming, so Bush went to Texass for a month in August 2001 and ignored the threats. America is not the shining beacon of purity the righties make us out to be. Americans violated many parts of the Geneva convention in the Afghan & Iraqi wars its not even funny. Bush will escape persecution and SCOTUS will make him exempt. We can't be running all over the world planting the "freedom & democracy flags" every time we don't agree with another country. We can't cry that Iran or North Korea may be making a nuclear device, when America has over 5,500 devices at the ready. We need to STOP ALL foreign aid NOW, most importantly aid to and with Israel.
Jason...really?!? The attacks against the U.S. on 9/11 were because POTUS was in Texas? The POTUS said, "C'mon on down and attack?" Get a grip. Regardless of anyone's political leanings, do any of you think for a minute that whatever President is in the Whitehouse, he doesn't have up to date information on what's going on in the world? Having defended this country for the last 25 years, I've never had any issue with individuals voicing their political viewpoints (left or right). For you to imply that the POTUS at the time devised the plan that killed so many innocent people in our country makes you look like a person who actually is happy that it happened...perhaps we should give TF 373 your name..
Whether the US gov't had anything to with the planning of 9/11 attacks is up to debate, but im 100% sure certain gov't officials used the event to orchestrate a war in Afghanistan & Iraq later on. The US gov't acted on a Nov 2001 bin Laden tape that "just happened to be recorded with no purpose" and was "luckily found intact in the rubble some raid" featured a 'Osama bin Laden' that looked and sounded unlike 'Osama bin Laden' of the past. A European company that specializes in voice analysis/recognition technology for the most secure banks around the world tested the audio of all the tapes of bin Laden after 9/11 and concluded that the Nov 2001 tape didn't match previous confirmed authentic tapes of bin Laden prior to 9/11... however our gov't somehow concluded that the guy on the Nov 2001 tape was the real 'bin Laden'... IM JUST SAYIN SOMETHINGS NOT RIGHT ABOUT THIS WAR...
Bush was hell bent huh? This goes way past that you need to look beyond the politics. If it was Clinton you would proabably say something different.
373 is great!
I've been meaning to get myself one of those shiney tin-foil hats.
I strongly urge you to read the Geneva Conventions. There is no protection granted for unlawful combatants. In order to receive protection under the Geneva Conventions you must wear a uniform identifying yourself, answer to a recognized government and be engaged in lawful combat. According to the Geneva Conventions this EXCLUDES ALL Islamic militants fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There is the tiny little coincidence of a certain policy thinkthank called the Project for a New American Century that was calling for an immediate invasion of Iraq throughout the late 90's. This group contain a bunch of yahoos that later served in the Bush Jr. White House (Feith, Wolfewitz, Libby, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Pearle to name a few). Anyway they published a White Paper in 98-99 (that can still be found on the web) that essentially stated that "A NEW Pearl Harbor" might be necessary to galvanize the fury of the American people and enable them to get their desired regime-change invasion. What better Pear harbor can you think of than the WTC complex that had already attacked once in an operation that included a covert FBI informant actually assembling the real bomb used in the parking garage.
Something definitely AIN'T kosher in Denmark...
Why "especially Israel"? Believe it or not, the US has and will provide aid to countries that do far worse. Think about all the African aid that is seized by genocidal leaders. US aid to Bosnia and Kosovo and Serbia in the 90's, where a war broke out and a genocide occured. American aid to countries that happened to be on their side one decade, and then another decade they are against us. Israel is really no worse than any other country, every country tends to be violent and brutal, but for some reason, Israel always gets singled out.
Jason,
It started long before GW took office. The plan was in the works for months. They knew the plan to high jack the planes and their point of impact destinations. All was needed was to assist in bringing down the buildings and cranking up the war machine. The facts are out there if folks will get their heads out of the sand and look. Check this out if anyone wants the truth... http://ae911truth.org/
Everybody wants to feel safe and free but nobody likes the price. There are harsh realities in war and they're unfortunate. But unless/until you pick up a weapon and stand on the line-you'll never know. Sometimes collateral damage occurs unintentionally without malice aforethought (in other words by accident). These soldiers have a hard job and I doubt that they are the perpetrators of acts of gross recklessness showing a lack of care for human life. I suspect the truth is quite the opposite-Soldiers try to do the right thing….protecting you and me from the likes of Osama Bin Laden. So I say deal with it! You can’t have your cake and eat it too. AND it’s because of the soldiers of past and presence that you have the right to free speech; not to mention the ideals of being innocent until proven guilty…… I’ve served with some of the finest men and women for more than 22 years-they deserve our best!!!!!!!!
Well the US have been unnecessarily provoking many parts of the world for a long time – It's a bit like putting your hands in a bee hive for its honey. Once the angry bees are out there it is going to take you a long time to get rid of them.
to tell u the truth american citizens lost more freedom after 9/11 than at anytime in the country's history and not because of what bin laden or any terrorist organization, it came at the hands of our own gov't. the patriot act – do some research on it... the CIA got caught tapping into at&t service lines in a public building in california several years ago but now they are allowed to get away with it now. face it, other than the unfortunate ppl who had loved ones killed during 9/11, the 99.9 % rest of us will go on with the rest of our lives without being effected by terrorist organizations and that would have been the same if we had never gone to war
KNOWtheLEDGE, the Patriot ACT came along way before 9/11. Maybe you need to do some additional research.
Come on MaryM,what's wrong with you people today?We won WW2 without the Patriot Act and spare me all that right-wing bla-bla-bla about it's necessity!!!
George,
It's not right wing blah blah blah, here's the problem: We have people in our country that are either Naturalized citizens or Us born and they cooperate with and engage in acts of terrorism. without the Patriot Act we wouldn't know. Research the caucasian, blond hair, blue eyed women who was working with Al Qaida, planned to go to Denmark and assassinate the Muhammad cartoonist. In addition, the Time Square bomber was a naturalized citizen working with Al Qaida. There are countless others.
Absolutely agree. Good statement
maryM, the Patriot Act was passed on 10/26/2001, and came about after the attacks.
True! Bombing in New York, Pentagon (DC), Mumbai, London, Medrid was also unannounced. so why can't we (US forces) go in Afghan towns and try to root out talibans using special forces? It's fair!
I Agree..
However do not kill children and or innocent people.. Get the intelligence right.. otherwise you will be the same as Polt Pot, Stalin, or Hitler. They also killed innocents
So if Mexico declares war on a drug cartel who filled the morgue in Juarez, comes to the US and in an attempt to kill a drug cartel member they kill your kid at school it will be okay then, right? Or is it only okay to Afghanis civilian not American civilians. Check your footing carefully on the slippery slope where you stand as the angle may not be what it seems.
Note to MaryM -You mention the Geneva convention, well this was my outfit's view of the Geneva convention during the VN war– The enemy should be treated with respect –unless there is no one watching in which case we will just blow the fu...rs' away!!
War is not a game! WHAT RULES? THERE ARE NO RULES IN WAR. RULES EXIST SO THE VICTOR CAN PROSECUTE THE LOSER AFTER IT IS OVER OR WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT. WAR IS SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST (OR THE ONE WITH THE BIGGER GUN OR THE MOST RESOLVE!) THE GENEVA CONVENTION RULES IS JUST THERE TO GIVE THOSE NOT DOING THE ACTUAL FIGHTING A SENSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PROVIDE POLITICAL COVER. 373 DID ITS JOB. COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN WAR IS UNAVOIDABLE.
Cut the bad man deep. Cut him bad. Make him stop being bad. Forever. Thank you, Team 373, for making bad people take dirt naps. I know you'll forever live with the collateral losses that combat incurs. In the end, you're doing the right thing making the right people go away. Forever. Rock that sh't.
The Bush family owns half of the oil well in Kuwait.. Nothing to do with oil???
"The Bush family owns half of the oil well in Kuwait.. Nothing to do with oil???"
What are you talking about? Please cite your source on this. I believe the Kuwait National Oil Company owns all of the oil in Kuwait.
the people on this forum insulting people is actually making yourself look like a moron so please try taking these comments seriously and on topic. thank you
Bob, First that's not true and second what does oil in Kuwait have to do with being in Afghanistan?
It was a privilege to support TF 373 on a daily basis on my last deployment!
Jason, exactly who the hell are you? What branch were/are you in? Where did you do this "support" on what deployment? Tell me a few things, and I will call your lie.
Jeremy I doubt very much if you were even in the service. You are a paper tiger.
"Blah, Blah, Blah.. Cry, Cry, Cry.. If you want to play with fire, you'll get burnt!!! I can give a crap about the 7 children in the mosque or the afghanistan policemen who were civilian casualties. When they killed 3000+ american civilians which included men, women, children, policemen, firemen, and rescue personnel these people were parading in the streets. Maybe civilians wouldn't have to die if these people weren't hiding behind them and running away from the fights they provoke."
You are a disgusting "human" being
Too bad we can't win there. The Afghans will only know warlords like the idiot in power now–would you fight for this crook? The country is so huge it would take millionsof troops to pacify it. As soon as we leave the country will fall back in tribes/clans. So......send in the A-Team....Superman...my ex-wife–there's a mean killer.
This is War, there will be collateral damage. Would the American public rather have dead Soldiers or dead Afghans. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO STAND BEHIND OUR SOLDIERS. FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM. And when you symptahize with U.S Forces killing civilians remember the 3,000 that died on 9/11.
Remember the insurance policy increase shortly before, the short selling of American Airlines stock, the superthermite residue still evident in NYC to this day, the first explosion was in the basement, the perfect implosion free fall, oh yeah make sure you remember that WTC building 7 was never hit by _anything_. I will never forget, in fact thanks to Wikileaks I am now reading the pager transcripts which I reordered by pager ID. War is not a video game and avoidable error is not an error, it is incompetence. Do it right or stand down.
"All is fair in love and war?" Really? Not.
Love your brother, kill your cousin is how they justify a religion.
Prithwi you are so right that when killing of afghans children in mosque is every thing in fair in war, so the bombay attack was also very fair & justified where afew fanatic hindus were killed i rightly agree with you
The ends justify the means
Portland,
You speak as someone who doesn't know the horrors of war first hand. he's not disgusting. Why do we keep making allowances for these people? If you are harboring a terrorist you should be treated like one.
No, all is not fair. There are laws that govern war, and this is a war crime if they did have any knowledge that children might be there.
Yup the terrorists killed over 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
We then have retaliated by killing over 200,000 Iraqi and Aphgani civilians.
nuf already!
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Yes, he is a disgusting human – to think that the actions of adults in a given country justifies the killing of children in the same country is a disgusting thought. The whole concept of paying for the 'sins of the father' is abhorrent – those kids did nothing. You may say that they will grow up to be like their adults – but you can't know that. They could have been the ones to grow up and see that the ways of the past are wrong, and try and change them – but now other children there can be taught by their adults that the Americans hate them, that we are out to get them, and point to the dead kids as proof of how evil we are. Every time we do something like that we only justify the people that want to fight us.
I understand that we are fighting the most difficult type of war – not against a country, but an ideology. An idea is not so easy to kill as a government or military – so long as one is left that believes in the idea, and any amount of evidence exists to support the idea, it will be taught to others and spread. Since we can't possibly kill everyone that believes the idea that Americans are evil, it would be best to only kill the ones actually taking up arms against us, and in doing so, stop providing proof that the idea is right by killing innocents. If this is done, we slow or stop the spread of the idea by removing the evidence supporting it, at the same time, removing those who already believe it so fully as to be violent about it, until the number approaches (though may never reach) zero.