June 20th, 2010
09:57 PM ET
soundoff (23 Responses)
  1. Ernie Beatty

    Hopefully not!

    June 21, 2010 at 12:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Ernie Beatty

      Hey Funny boy,use your own name the next time you make a commet here instead of mine!!!I I happen to be a Tea Partier and proud of it!!!

      June 21, 2010 at 12:14 am | Report abuse |
      • Jerry

        That's teiing him,Ernie!!!Don't let him get your goat.

        June 21, 2010 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.

        That is your problem not ours... The Majority of the People know you are all crazy!!!

        June 21, 2010 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Jaybob

    Well, here is my opinion-

    Deadlines are a bad thing. Putting "X Date" on a massive military operation isn't the right thing to do. Ideally, we stay until we get the job done.

    However, without a deadline there is a loss of support from the public both in the US and Afghanistan. The Taliban will hurt and intimidate innocent people until it looks like the solution to the problem has caused more damage than the original problem (Kind of like denying the enemy tactics combined with Mutually Assured Destruction).

    To have a light at the end of the tunnel, we need this:

    The US Government needs to stop tasking 20-something year old service members to be "ambassadors" to go out and "touch hearts and minds". The military is a killing organization, dedicated to using violence to defend our people and destroy our enemies. We do not train them to be Santa Claus and go out kissing babies. Let the military do their job and take out the enemy. Kill the bad guys, and kill them hard. If they run, chase them down and kill them. Bring in their key leaders and humiliate them and execute them once we get what information we need. Make the enemy fear us again. However, when politicians call the shots we can't do this.

    NATO operations need to have all of NATO on board. The US can't be the tip of the Spear, the shaft, and the guy pushing all the time while the rest of the world sits back and cheers. Tell the cheerleaders to lose the pom-poms and grab a gun, and do something.

    Rein in Pakistan by their short 'n curlies and tell them to get their act together. There are WAY too many inconsistencies with them, and they need to hurry up and help or start digging their own graves along side the Taliban.

    Stop giving a damn about the unhappy Afghanis. It's already common knowledge that every time we blow up some training camp or Taliban gun shack that they all start screaming "Americans Kill Our Family! They were Innocent". Stop giving a damn about the Tribal leaders who are sending their men to join the Taliban. Do what we are there to do.

    If nothing else, look Karzai in the face and say "If you want us to fix this, fine. If not, we'll go home. But the first peep of Terrorist Activity we hear from this region will result in us coming out of the sky like righteous gods of destruction and war, and the mountains will stand no taller than your ankle when the smoke clears and the ashes fall."

    June 20, 2010 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Roy

      Tough talk from a member of the crumbling empire!!! You obviously play a lot of video games. Well out there in Afghanistan there is no "video game" that is taking place on the ground. After over nine years your military is on the backfoot and the Taliban have become stronger and have a presence in over 80% of Afghanistan and that under the American/Nato watch. Get back to your video game JAYBOB instead of posting your two BOBS worth.

      June 21, 2010 at 9:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Jaybob

        Well, I'll give you a chance to not look like such a damned fool:

        1- Guess where I am at now? (Hint- I'm 8.5 hours ahead of the eastern US)

        2- I don't get to play video games very often.

        3- A lot of people wear the same outfit I wear when I work.

        4- I've met some of these reporters.

        And Roy, it's funny you call this a "Crumbling Empire". Countless people flock to this country every year in hopes of opportunity.

        How about you go back to pitching Zeitgeist and consiracy theories. I'll play video games when I feel like it.

        And I'll have you know that "My military" is probably "your military" as well. And we damned sure aren't on the backfoot. I mean, we're not the ones hiding in the mountains....

        June 21, 2010 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        I agree with Jaybob on all the accounts of his first post.

        Roy is an anti-American fool. I'm not sure if this guy is American, but if so... he should be ashamed of himself.

        June 21, 2010 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jaybob

        @Steve

        Thank you. Roy is obviously someone who spends his days "on that bandwagon" of quasi-revolutionaries and (in)activists who spend most of their time blabbering.

        And Roy, for you:

        "Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of justice" -MLK

        "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "- John Stuart Mill

        I do not want innocent people hurt. I wish the Taliban would walk out and say, "you know what? This sucks. How about we just have a barbecue and talk about making this better before we kill anyone else?" Hell, president Obama took a Volatile situation between two men and sat them down with beers and talked about it. That is proof this world isn't doomed. I wish the enemy we fight now would do that.

        June 21, 2010 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Hey Steve, you've got another member to your mushroom club.....Jaybob is very vigorously giving his two bobs worth in this post....his comments show that, just like you steve, he is in the dark and fed crap.....Jaybob, the fight with the Taliban is not in the mountains buit in the population centres. The Taliban are the Afghan population and the Afghans want ALL foreign forces out of their country.........Coalition soldiers are being killed in increasing numbers just look at the casualty numbers month on month, year on year. Wake up you guys of the mushroom club and see the light!!!

        June 22, 2010 at 3:28 am | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Eric... we don't believe blatant lies like you do. You've been on record for weeks now... quoting Taliban sources with such obnoxious figures like "60 NATO soldiers killed, 12 tanks destroyed, 80 ANA killed all in one day"... and that is simply wrong. You get your "information" from pro-jihad websites, and claim that you're an Afghani. I've refuted your points several times, only for you to ignore me and say something about being in a mushroom club.

        What I'd like for you to answer me now is this... if NATO leaves with their tail between their legs (which is what you are obviously cheerleading for)... what do you think is going to happen to YOUR Afghanistan? Do you honestly think there will be peace and harmony in Afghanistan? You think the fighting and killing is going to stop? The Taliban is a loose set of many groups that will splinter and fight each other once NATO leaves. Al Quieda will creep back in and begin intimidating people. Not to mention the leftovers of the Afghan government will form their own groups and fight... this is all if NATO leaves in haste... and this is something YOU want for Afghanistan? You claim your an Afghani (a claim I still doubt). But if so, enjoy 30 more years of war, Eric.

        June 22, 2010 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
      • Jaybob

        @Eric-

        Mushroom club? I am confused. I used to not like mushrooms, honestly... but now I have started to enjoy them in some of my meals. So... what is this supposed to mean? I am so confused right now.

        If you're getting your numbers from Jihad websites, you are retarded. everyone knows those guys lie. Like the recent attack against the air base in kandahard that "killed hundreds of soldiers and destroyed many helicopters"... when it was only like 10 guys who attacked the base and got shot before they could even get near the wire. I think a few people had minor injuries and one dude died. I'll have to look that up.

        Anyway, FYI-

        Soldier death rates do not differentiate between accidents, illnesses, etc.

        Casualties do not mean "death", they mean someone was taken out of the fight- the flu or a cold can make someone a casualty on paper. It's a catch-all term that means "he can't operate at full capacity now".

        And I'm sure we'll see the light soon enough. I hear there are plenty of lights flashing and making noise on the Taliban leaders. would love to watch that.

        June 22, 2010 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Jaybob/Eric..you guys are really in the dark and fed crap. Here is an assessment from a respected US General Barry McCaffrey and see the casualty figures he is reporting (300 to 500 killed per month) Wake up mushrooms and see the light, the Afghans want all foreign forces out of our country NOW!!!

        Many more soldiers are killed than what is reported. Read this assessment from Gen. Barry McCaffrey: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/01/army_casualties_010410w/

        Americans should prepare to accept hundreds of U.S. casualties each month in Afghanistan during spring offensives with enemy forces.
        The dire forecast was made by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey, an adjunct professor of international affairs at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, in a periodic assessment of political and security issues he has conducted in the war zone since 2003.
        “What I want to do is signal that this thing is going to be $5 billion to $10 billion a month and 300 to 500 killed and wounded a month by next summer. That’s what we probably should expect. And that’s light casualties,” said McCaffrey, who is also president of his own consulting firm in Arlington, Va., and has conducted numerous trips to the war zones to assess the political and military challenges at hand.
        McCaffrey, a three-time recipient of the Purple Heart medal who also earned the Distinguished Service Cross twice during combat in Vietnam, told Army Times that “people are shocked when I add the numbers up,” but what he’s discussing, he said, is not significantly higher than what is being suffered by U.S. in Afghanistan now.
        His reports are compiled with information gathered in theater and from research conducted beforehand. McCaffrey traveled to the war zone for this report as an academic from West Point at the invitation of theater commander Gen. David Petraeus, commander of Central Command, and Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the operational commander in Afghanistan, he said.

        June 23, 2010 at 3:02 am | Report abuse |
  3. F.KLOCK

    AFTER WATCHING CANDY CROWLEY'S INTERVIEW WITH THE SENATORS THIS SUNDAY MORNING, I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE FORCEFUL IN OBTAINING A WORTHLY RESPONSE FROM THE SENATORS WHEN SHE ASKED "WHY DON'T WE JUST PULL OUT OF AFGHANISTAN–IT SEEMS HOPELESS". PLEASE USE YOUR PROGRAM TO COUNTER THE SENATOR'S STANDARD ANSWER AND MAKE THEM STAND UP FOR SOMETHING INSTEAD OF THEIR POLIITICAL AGENDA. OUR PEOPLE OUR DYING FOR WHAT???? BAD GOVERNMENT, DRUGS, CORRUPTION–WE CAN'T CHANGE IT.

    June 20, 2010 at 11:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • David Darling

      lol, stupid of you.
      You are just writing all these BS coz you are right now setting on your comfy chair.
      The other day if another 9/11 happens and you lose one of your family member, then u will start BS again to go there and finish terrorists!

      you are just coming from nowhere and starting BS.
      Just stop it and educate yourself little bit.

      June 21, 2010 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
  4. F.KLOCK

    WE MUST RECONSIDER OUR WAR IN AFGHANISTAN. WE CANNOT CHANGE THEIR GOVERNMENT, KARZAI IS CORRUPT, THEIR PEOPLE ARE NOT WILLING TO SUPPORT OUR GOALS. WE CANNOT STAY IN AFGHAN. BECAUSE WE ARE AFRAID OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN PAKISTAN. PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ME THE "DOMINO EFFECT" WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT TURNS OUT–LOTS OF OUR MILITARY DEAD. WE CANNOT WAIT UNTIL DECEMBER FOR THE NEXT REVIEW.

    June 20, 2010 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      At Least Obama is doing His best to finish both wars when He said He would do them... It is up to Iraq and Afghanistan if it will happen when He wants!!!

      June 21, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      UN Watch Rips UN Human Rights Council for
      "Year of Inaction & Double Standards"

      Click Here to Watch Video

      As the UN Human Rights Council completed its 4th year, delegates heard testimony from UN Watch on the past 12 months of council reactions to violations worldwide.

      The Past Year: Inaction and Double Standards
      UN Human Rights Council, 14th Session,
      Delivered by Executive Director Hillel Neuer, 15 June 2010

      Mr. President, in Article 1 of the Vienna Declaration, the States assembled here committed to protect all human rights. Is the Council living up to this obligation? Focusing thematically on the right to life, let us consider one example from each of the past 12 months:

      • June 2009—Tehran. Hundreds of thousands gather peacefully to protest a questionable election. The government responds with brutality. Dozens are killed, hundreds injured, thousands arrested.
      • July—China. Troops fire on Uighur protesters; 200 killed, 1700 injured.
      • August—Russia. Two aid workers killed in Chechnya, government complicity suspected.
      • September—Yemen. Government warplanes bomb a refugee camp, killing 80.

      This Council’s response? Silence.

      • October—Iraq. A terrorist attacks a mosque, killing the imam and 14 others.
      • November—The Phillipines. Fifty-seven opposition activists massacred.
      • December—Iran. Renewed protests meet with bullets, beatings and arrests; 10 killed.
      • January—Pakistan. One hundred and eighty-two civilians killed in 42 attacks.

      This Council’s response? Silence.

      • February—Afghanistan. A Taliban attack kills 18, injuring 32, including doctors.
      • March—Nigeria. 500 Christians slaughtered in religious killings.
      • April—Kyrgyzstan. Troops fire on demonstrators; 84 killed.
      • Finally, May. Libya executes 18 foreigners, without due process.

      Mr. President, faced with these and other gross violations of the Vienna Declaration, what was this council’s standard response? Silence. No resolutions; no urgent sessions; no investigations. Nothing.

      Yet two weeks ago, when Israel defended itself against violent Jihadists on the so-called humanitarian flotilla, we witnessed another standard—a double standard.

      Suddenly the council sprang into action, with an urgent debate, a resolution condemning Israel, and yet another investigation where the guilty verdict was declared in advance.

      Meanwhile, in this session, not a single resolution has been adopted for 191 other countries.

      Mr. President, is the right to life, as guaranteed under the Vienna Declaration, being protected?

      No—on the contrary. And millions of victims are paying the price.

      Thank you, Mr. President.

      Click H

      June 21, 2010 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • David Frust

      we sound boob the hills ans top of mtn.s in afgain for a week with b52 to make it harder on the enemy to get around and what happed tp naypam? if all else falls we sould desoty the pope crops and use a small nuke on them after we pull on troops out.

      June 23, 2010 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        Yeah, boob the hills if you must but don't touch those pope crops.

        June 24, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |