Why all the talk about minerals now?
Geologists working with the Pentagon have found vast reserves of untapped minerals in Afghanistan that could be worth $1 trillion, according to reports.
But there are a lot of questions about just how hard it would be to actually get the minerals out of there and even some questions about the timing of the announcement. The military didn't just discover it. In fact, even though there was a lot of reporting about it on Monday, the report apparently was done years ago.
CNN talked with Joe Klein, a columnist at Time magazine and frequent reporter from Afghanistan, and Jack Medlin, a geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, who also just returned from Afghanistan about two weeks ago. The following is an edited version of the transcript.
CNN: Jack, you were part of the group that went to Afghanistan, documenting these deposits and you issued a report back in 2007. We didn't have the trillion dollar figure on it yet and didn't really get much traction back then. So, why are we hearing about it with a rejuvenated interest right now?
MEDLIN: Our initial assessment in 2007, at that point, had taken the study basically about as far as we could take it. And what it needed was some further work on the verification of the results that we had obtained over a 2 1/2, 3-year period and there needed to be some business development part of the equation going forward.
CNN: And the group did put out the [press] release. He said they took it as far as they could take it. But this was in 2007. And some say not much has changed other than the dollar figure, the trillion dollar figure put on it by the Pentagon. What do you make of the timing of this report coming in at time obviously when some people say that progress may not be going as well in Afghanistan?
KLEIN: Well, there was a need for good news at the Pentagon, I think. It's true .. there's an awful lot of mineral wealth there. The Chinese are already exploiting copper, I think, in Wardak Province. But the problem is that the military's game plan isn't going so well in the things that you can see. One part of the military's game plan that's going very well, and that's the counterterrorism where we're rolling up mid-level leaders of the Taliban on an almost-nightly basis - 121 in recent months according to Stan McChrystal.
But the relationship with Hamid Karzai isn't going very well. The idea that you can do counterinsurgency, which is to secure the population and offer them services, that's not going very well either. And so, there's a need for good news.
CNN: Technically, untapped minerals seem on the face that this is great news. But logistically, how would this work? How would you actually get these minerals out of the ground in terms of an infrastructure, avoiding corruption and figuring out how to best make this happen?
MEDLIN: Well, the challenges going forward are numerous, as you've just stated. There has to be a suitable mining law in place. There needs to be infrastructure in terms of roads, possibly railroads. And then there needs also to be an energy infrastructure in place, because you can't do large-scale mining without energy.
So, there are a lot of challenges ahead and I think in this particular case, the mineral resource assessment results offers an alternate pathway forward in terms of economic growth in Afghanistan.
CNN: How realistic do you see it? I mean, others have pointed to countries like Nigeria where, you know, they're now the fifth largest producer of oil and they make billions and billions a year. But most Nigerians live on less than $1 a day and have fallen to corruption as well as other major problems and haven't really lifted the population.
How could you potentially avoid that for Afghanistan if indeed this mining infrastructure can be put in place?
KLEIN: Well, it's going to be very hard to avoid that because Afghanistan really lives on a warlord system and you're going to have a lot richer warlords if this happens. But I think what Jack said is absolutely important. There is only one major road in Afghanistan, the ring road. You need all kinds of infrastructure.
Right now, to compare: this is $1 trillion in minerals we're talking about in a country whose GDP is $12 billion a year. So, they don't have the money to really build this infrastructure.
And then you have the second big problem - unlike Nigeria, Afghanistan doesn't have an ocean. To get the minerals out, they have to go through Pakistan and that's very rough travel or through Iran. And I don't know how pleased we'd be with that.
CNN: Yes, there seem to be a lot of logistical things in the way. So, it's fascinating that there was talk of these minerals all the way back in the '70s, possibly the '80s with the Soviets. And here we are in 2010, and they know it's there. But what can be done with it is still a huge question.
Looks like the movie Avatar is loosely based on this type of situation.
Exploitation of people due to their resources.
the americans got all of the mineing , oil and gas knowledge from the russians when they were there, this is just now comeing out to establish our right to be there, it,s interesting to note that all the wealthy ,powerfull islamic country,s never offerred help to their fellow islamic country, the americans are faceing public pressure for being in afghanistan with no progress to look forward too for the afghan people, it,s the leaderships argument there is, you are talking a iron ore mine( and others) but subtract the number of mine employees from the afghan population the balance number tells the story, how are they going to be employed? i do wish the people of afghanistan all sucess and the best, regards
a lot of the worlds very large iron ore deposits have been mined out, it is expensive to mine small reserves of ore after paying the expenses the profit is low , mineing companys are not in it for small money, whats left over after mineing will be split between war lords and corruption , pennies for the population, where is the money for roads and railroads going to come from , another deal like brazil where obama invests $10 B USD in oil and the minister buys almost one billion USA treasury bills, and the poor gets poorer
That's terrific. Now we can pack up and get out of there. Let the Third World Afghan's become a super power over there and maybe they will all kill each other off. A trillion dollars worth, hmmmm. I might want a pocket full of that to stimulate my finances.
The clever Chinese are quietly sucking up resources all around the world. Yes, the Chinese are in Afghanistan mining copper if you didn't already know that. The USA noisily spends billions of dollars fighting wars in order to dominate strategic areas rich in mineral and oil wealth. Meanwhile, the Chinese are quietly making deals and gettin' the goods. Do you people really think we're in Afghanistan because of Osama Bin Laden? Do you really think we're in Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction? Why have we not invaded North Korea? It's because they have no resources we wish to exploit! A previous poster, Jeff, said it well...follow the money.
About time we got to the whole point of the Afghan War...God we suck.
Would love to know if these mineral deposits were discovered before the invasion – do you think CNN could wake up the hack who put this story together and find that kind of detail out?
Just about every country especially ones with mountains have mineral deposits. Just over the boarder in Pakistan they have substantial emerald deposits. Only when you have a reliable geological report can you estimate just how much and what the value is, the estimate has just been raised from 1 Trillion to 3 Trillion US$.
The American public is just now discovering the findings of a 2007 geological survey? It sound like the government is appealing to the greed of the American people to keep us in Afganistan – this is similar to the speaking of George Bush, in a statement that Iraq oil would pay for our involvement in the war in Iraq. That never materialized. Neither will our benefit from mineral resources in Afganistan. But, it is good that those dedicated patriots who have supported this war -finally realize – it is not and has never been about international terrorism. Your sons, daughters, husbands, wifes are dying for big business. Semper Fi – suckers!
You just nailed it,CGeorgeK!!!!!
Money money money, the yanks will go where ever for the thought of having more. And that type of riches will only cause more deaths, more pain, more losses for all. How would Afghans feel, all of a sudden they live in an important place, but no one thinks they are valuable too.
Very well put,Mike.
I just can't believe that I was able to read twenty or so consecutive rants without any mention of Israel or The Jews. Congratulate yourselves, people!
I'm sure someone can dream up a 'Zionist Plot', or the 'American Military Industrial Complex', or blame the 'Tea Baggers', or maybe whover REALLY killed JFK.
LOL
Opps! I forgot BIG OIL, Area 51, and, of course Martians.
I's pretty disheartening to see all conspiratorial, anti-government fanaticism in these blogs. For reasons I cannot understand, some Americans feel that their government is always out to get them and orchestrate unjust wars. The 9-11 planning, training and funding revolved around Al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, that is a fact. Bio-terrorism plans were found by non-US troops in Afghanistan, that is a fact. There are 44 nations with troops and countless others with aid and civilian workers in Afghanistan, that is a fact: NOT a US unilateral war of imperialism, but an international security crisis in Central Asia.
With that said, ISAF forces have made their fair share of mistakes in this war-torn country. The best course now is not a complete and total withdrawal of all foreign assistance, but a precipitous withdrawal of major ground forces while keeping the heat on Al-Qaeda and like-minded Taliban. The international community has an obligation to assist the Afghan gov't WHEN ASKED; ASSISTANCE IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH IMPERIALISM The world is too compact and tightlyl interwoven to allow a resource-rich, opium-producing, druglord invested country like Afghanistan to fall by the wayside.
Well said.
We have no intention of capturing Bin Laden. We are probably protecting him and the taliban because theyt give us a "reason" to be over there. We are being fed lies by the govt run media time and time again.
I agree with you and I have seen this for ages
Resources are resources. You cannot eat them, wear them, live in them. They need to be put to use by someone who can use them. Most of these 3rd world countries contribute little to nothing to the world economy, except cannon fodder. Bin Laden fled to the region, because it is difficult and he knew he could hide and hold out there. The mineral wealth was also there. I doubt anyone invented Bin Laden, just to invade the country. On the other hand, what are they doing with these minerals? It's about time some of these countries stop whining about how oppressed they are, and start doing business with more then vitriolic rhetoric and exporting their upper classes to the US, to compete for jobs here.
At this moment minerals can not bring security and peace in Afghaistan, this news make more complicate the current situation of Afghanistan becuse the neighbour countries never want to see Afghanistan the same like other development contries, therefore they will increase their activities more and more and put the Afghan's life in danger.
Kabul, 2010
I am sure there has been a bit of wrong analysis re: afgaminerals. Remember that mob have been eating ....stuff for few decades now and they don't seem to have a good sewer system.
Gary Johndro,
I guess I'm not going to listen to you!
Daniel-2: Do you listen to anyone but yourself Anabel...
My mistake,you're neither Daniel-2 nor Anabel,but Funny boy who keeps on taking the joy out of our war!
Many countries have mineral, gas and oil wealth and still live in poverty or as in the Saudi case, an anachronism which keeps women in medieval days. The west is broke, time to pull out the soldiers, implement and upgrade the UCAV's, wipe out every living thing and when that is done go back and mine the place. We are an empire after all and will be hated no matter what we do. Time to be a real empire and while we are it, clean the world of people who will never integrate or produce.
You sound like Gary Johndro.You and he are like two peas in a pod!!!
Anthony, are you really David Rockefeller?
was Anthony really David Rockefeller
For everybody's information,I'm a Tea Partier and I like this war and I'm getting sick and tired of seeing people blogging in here to protest it.
And so are a lot of others!
No, this is not a logical way, the terror is not the Afghanistan problem, it is worlde wide, do u know what? the main goal of terror is to destroy out America and Europe,
though if the world community leaves Afghanistan before eradication of Pakistani Taliban and Alqhaeda, then Afghanistan going to be a strong training place for those enemires and soon US and Eruope going to be attacked.
me as an Afghan and am moslem belive the those are the people who are against human beings and Gods willings. becuase Islam needs human in different ethinicity, race, color and relegion to live all together in peace and freedom.
You want to get the wealth of this country and let their people live in poor state.Please leave this poor country alone and get back to USA.Let Afghans live in freedom and enjoy their lives.
America get the hell out of Afghanistan- let its people be. Please dont just stay for the findings- Afghanistan can handle its mineral wealth by itself- no foreign involvement-
I totally agree with you and ali.We do have a moral obligation to quit Afghanistan,but the right-wing fanatics in Washington don't think so and that's the problem in a nutshell and neither these spineless leaders in Europe who can do no more than take orders from Washington.
Yeah - let them do it themselves with no foreign involvement. Let them carry tons of ore on their backs or donkeys to market. Oh, wait - they have to pass through Iran or Pakistan. That would involve foreigners - forget it - lets go back to growing poppies.
http://www.englishtips-self-taught.blogspot.com Daniel 2 Are you an idiot? I think you are not, I'm not sure about that. Honestly I respect your viewpoint and the others, this is a democratic webblog, isn't it.
Most of you think I'm an idiot!! You may be right.
You're too smart to be an idiot since you read these right-wing fanatics in Washington and see them for what they are.But please quit blogging here on the internet as it might spoil some of the enthusiasm for this war!!!
O.K. Gary as you wish.
Daniel,do stop blogging in here,please.
Onesmallvoice: Talking to your self again Anabel?
We may think you're an idiot,but we now know that you're not Daniel-2 and most certainly not half as funny as you think you are!Give it up,Funny boy,the gig is up!!!!!!!!!!!.Besides,you're upsetting all the Tea Partiers and every other right-wing fanatic fron Kalamazoo to kingdom come!
Let`s hope the Taliban and Pakistanis will trade in their guns and bombs for picks and shovels and get to work getting rich.
You forgot to mention the building of the American Anglo-French Empire,Mark.
Since reports of the wealth of minerals in Afghanistan have been around for decades now, one wonders why the Afghan people themselves, corrupt or not, haven't gone after them on their own. The California gold rush, oh so long ago, was controlled by some of the most corrupt business leaders of that time. A select few got extremely wealthy but the country survived. The Afghani people appear to be content with making their money off of the drug trade knowing full well that there is a hell of a lot more money under the ground. Were they just looking for a sucker to build their roads for them ? A sucker with an army and a You know, get their infrastructure in place, get the ball rolling so to speak.
Avatar?
The military was totally irresponsible for putting any $ figure on the mineral resource: they simply do not know what they are talking about. It only makes it look like the US is interested in the mineral wealth of Afganistan, and that will NOT help the US image abroad. The original study by the USGS and the Afgan goverment was probably worthwhile, but only to the extent that it would encouage a better mining law, a better investment climate (including security), and more foreign investment.
The military didn't put a dollar amount on the minerals. The military doesn't have geologists.
The press should not be taking the Pentagon at face value. The Pentagon has known for years and years the value of the natural resources in Afghanistan. The real story is not the old news about minerals but why now and they saying this is some new news.
If you are talking about not trusting people withi information they provide, maybe you should be more critical of media, not just the Pentagon.
I'm the brown noser poster child. I'm the king of ass kissing. Bar none. mason.mehring@corelink.com
http://www.englishtips-self-taught.blogspot.com the resources belong to Afghan people, for sure. Anyway, what kind of mineral was found out there, guys?
Estimated figures:
* Iron: $421bn
* Copper: $274bn
* Niobium: $81bn
* Cobalt: $51bn
* Gold: $25bn
I read a while back, from Pepe Escobar I recall, that we were prepping to invade Afghanistan before 9/11 because the Taliban had doublecrossed us on the deals we were making with them for the pipeline routes. The rest is history.
hahahah LOL @ Taliban had doublecrossed :PPP
As USA dudes kicked Taliban from Afghanistan, i am sure USA will help us fix this mineral thingy also 😉
Hope AFG will stand on his foot once again like it used to be on 1950s. For more info, check this: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan
Whateva you guys thinking about Americans and why they are there, we really don't care as long we live peacefully.
AFG people are thankful of them for whateva they did for us and still helping us.
God Bless America.
Get up son, u think u r living in peace..!
Absolutely. The Taliban are the worst threat to Afghan women. The minerals will end the country's dependence on narcotics for income. Those who transmogrify this effort to protect America from terrorism and the Afghan people from anarchy into an imperialist adventure are missing the point.
Now it comes out why we're in Afghanistan.Just like Vietnam with all it's rubber and other resources that the right-wing news media never talked about back in the 1960's and '70's.Now we found a new pretext for keeping our troops there and quite possibly send even more in.These right-wing fanatics think of everything.
Actually, we are in Afghanistan because they attacked us. Remember 9/11? I'm not a big fan of the war, but at least we did it because that's where the terrorists really are.
but Osama and most of the hijackers were Saudia Arabian....
All of you are nuts, the Hijackers were Saudi Arabian, trained in Afghanistan. I saw the training camps first hand. Yeah, it sure does seem a bit off that we attacked Afghanistan while going after one person. Honestly, if it were MY family in the World Trade Center when we were attacked. I'd not only want vengance on every person involved, but people who knew about the attack, anyone and everyone who stood by and did nothing. I'd want a lot of blood. But, alas I had no family there. And whoever says that 9/11 was an inside job, please state your sources, outside of some Anti-Government Website, and give us solid facts please. Otherwise, stop talking.
"The White House had (at least ) 28 Advanced Intelligence Warnings Prior to 9/11"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SMI402A.html
I stand "Partially" Corrected. Most of the reputable news providers say Bush Ignored intelligence. And the other ones, well, once again, not fully credible sources, but an interesting read nontheless. I'm definately going to look into it a bit more myself.
This is just another way for the administration to spin why we need to be there longer. The minerals have been known about for decades. Barack is a joke and hasn't done anything he said he was going to do. Nothing. Should make you wonder who is running our country.
Compltete nonsense. Afghanistan is no threat to US security.
That's a naive assessment. This is a resources "war". 911 is just the excuse to be there...just like Iraq. Billions of oil dollars, billions of mineral dollars...not a coincidence. When in doubt, always follow the money.
The US attacked Afghanistan because our government said Bin Laden was behind 911, but that turned out to be false. All the supposed terrorists had passports from Egypt not Afghanistan!!!!!
you keep telling this to yourself if it makes you feel better.
Clinton knew about Osama since before 1998, but Bush was supposed to stop him 9 months after taking office.
Yeah - right. They let you vote????
Daniel: We have a President that is trying to get our troops out!!! Not like George Bush Jr. finding reasons to get them in...
Frank: If that is true!!! Why is Clinton working so hard to Help Obama now???>
@Riza Haider
You need to see a doctor, Airlines high security before 9/11? They didn't have a 20th the screening and pilots bags were never searched period.
NEVER. They didn't have box cutters they had full blown 8 inch kbar knives. Inside job? Prove it? Can't? course not? Best argueement "Look at the tower falling at the speed of gravity." everything falls that fast unless you your on the moon. Look at the clouds of dust puff. That's called 1 million pounds of cement atomizing everything on the floor and kicking it out to the side as it falls to the next.
See the Illumiate Lizardmen much?
Ever since the Russians were in Afghanistan companies from all over the world were assessing the minerals and the potential value. Our war in Afghanistan started with the pretext we were there to get Osama. Many people asked why would you wage a multibillion dollar war for one person. It would have been much cheaper and quicker to hire some special forces ops and just hunted him down. But no that was only a reason to get the American public support for this war.
The real reason was to secure a oil pipeline through the country to deliver oil from the oil fields in the neighboring countries. Then there is the added benefit of all the mineral rights in the country. So the bottom line was someone had to go in there and secure the country to make profits in the future.
The truth about the minerals has come out because the pressure is going to be on to secure these resources. This will take a lot of time and gives a perfect reason why multi-national companies wan the US military there. There is simply huge profits to be made in the future.
Profits is what makes the world go round and war has always been used as a means to make profits for a few.
Lee, assuming what you postulate about the reason for this war is correct, how should the families of the fallen soldiers feel and react when they realise that their sons, fathers, husbands did not die fighting for the security of their country nor were they fighting to avenge the deaths of so many innocents during the 9/11 attack nor were they fighting for the freedom and liberty of the Afghan people.
Do they not have a choice not to fight for a cause less just or reasonable? Those who have no faith in the morals and justification of this war have voted down several govts which participated in this war. Apparently, the majority is aware and convinced that there is and was no cause to invade Afghanistan.
The situation is not improving and the invading parties can't disengage without losing their prestige and in its place more lives are lost. After all this, the invading parties can even consider to buy out the Talibans instead of fighting them. Has western democracy fallen to that level that is more befitting a corrupt Third World developing country that the west is trying to bring around?! What price Democracy?
@ Lee....You hit the nail squarely on the head. Three or four times!
welcome to "governments" this is how its always been and how it will always be, the world does not revolve around the 70-80 years we live, it has always and will continue to be the same.
people, if there is wealth underground, which there most likely is, IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE AMERICANS!! stop going around the world and stealing peoples property, it belongs to the children.
the old indian proverb says,.
remember, the earth is not ours, we are only borrowing it from tomorrows children....
yankee go home!!
At the rate we're going, there won't be anything left for our children but another WAR!!!!!
You just nailed it,human!
Tell the Republicans that not us!!! The People are the ones dieing there... Do you really think We want our Children killed???
Daniel 2,
Maybe you should get off of your computer for one second and actually go and see what you are talking about. You are so anti-American and anti-Coalition that you are clearly oblivious to all the atrocities that the Taliban conduct here. Amazing how easily you forget that the Taliban blew themselves up outside of a wedding last week killing 40 and wounding almost 100 Afghans. Stop spewing your crap.
Anonymous... I completely agree with you about this bimbo. However, don't expect to get an intelligent debate back. Everything he spews is about "right wing fanatics" and how US troops are bad... yet he ignores the atrocities that the Taliban commit everyday.
Words I want to hear from our President: The war is over. Our kids are coming home.
So do I,but we won't!
It looked more like an exit strategy to me.
Ah yes i remember it well, the great comdon famine of 1968...
Actually the US is in Afghanistan because of oil and drugs. Afghanistan grows more opium poppies than any other country in the world and supplies about 85% of opium worldwide. This can be further refined into heroin, a major street drug. The US military has been " playing cat and mouse" with the Taliban ever since they invaded. Our troops pull back from the opium fields when the poppies are ready to harvest so the Taliban can fund it's terrorism and distribute this drug to the market place!!!! Then when the opium harvest is over, the Taliban retreats and the US forces take over these same fields again. What gets me is how our government gets away with all this subversive activity. Can we say CIA? Remember Oliver North?
That is why we went into Iraq not Afghanistan... We went there because of Bin Laden!!!
Right we don't get enough drugs from Mexico do we???
Well, well, well......it wasn't about OIL after all. Heck, it wasn't even about heroin! Does anyone actually believe that the US only discovered this AFTER we went into Afghanistan?
You can just bet we are going to "fix" the mining problem alright. We will stay there to "help" them develop their mines.
About the heroin.... I'm a former junkie. I got clean, went to college and became a drug counselor. The Taliban BURNED the poppy fields and suddenly there was a heroin famine on the streets of America. The USA goes in and now some of the best "Mexican" tar heroin is back in such abundance and such "high" quality that people are dropping dead from it with the straw still in their noses or needle still in their arms. I realize many of you will think people dying is a good thing. That seems to be the American way.
The thing is, the US knew the minerals were there before 9/11 and the CIA left Bin Laden in charge over there never dreaming that he would get religious on them and burn their poppy fields because that is against the Muslim religion. That's just my opinion. Everyone knows if you talk about the government you are a crazy person or an enemy of MY country, that I love too. God bless America. We need You, Lord.
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see this is jus crazy... the geologic equipment used 2 discover minerals below the surface was jus developed resently. about the time of the clinton era an its jus so funny how wen the bush era comes around we randomly attack afghanastan cuz of the "war". naw they knew the whole time an made ppl blind 2 there intentions. oils a touchy subject an they new that... but presiouss minerals hmmm. $1 trillion dollars on the line wat would u do 4 it??
Might you show a single source that proves the reason for Vietnam to have been the rubber and/or natural resources? The minerals provide an alternative to malaise as the best result of efforts in Afghanistan.
Why are they right-wingers Daniel. They haven't filmed Cheney and Bush anywhere for awhile. Maybe they are over there. I thought Obama and Co. were lefties. Explain....