I work with low power lasers every day and the training we have received is that – by the time you can blink your eye in reaction to seeing a laser, your eye already has permanent damage (depending on power of the laser)
Chris – I have a solution. Warn them with napalm.
We all know how it helped us win in Vietnam.
I bet Rico has been on the wrong end of a tazer before...
you know as a military service member....makes me feel proud that I serve and protect me and women who complain on a daily basis about whats humane and not......has your car ever been hit by a roadside bomb??? ever had a RPG go through your house?? No....wonder why?? cause men and women volunteer to keep this from happening. Hooah. So next time you post something about dangerous weapons...you think about taking your kids to school and having a bomb go off right next to your vehicle....take your pick?? because if we dont do what we do?? we will have this kind of madness in America! Godbless America! (oh and thank you all who support my fellow troops and I. keep it up)
Amen to that my friend! I am not a service member, but my father was. I have never seen combat, but am not ignorant to the fact that it can be life altering. If there is any way to prevent more unnecessary death, then by all means, practice it. This war may not be on our soil, but we are all affected by it and we continue to have the comforts of freedom and safety because of our troops out there! All of us, including you Rico, need to remember that! You can't wait for the enemy to come knocking on your door. At that point they've already learned everything about your home, it's foundation, it weaknesses, and it's escape routes...By going out to confront them in their own driveway, we have the ability to liberate the innocent that stand on their front porch and protect our home. Everyone deserves the comfort of freedom and safety. But freedom isn't free, it has cost a lot of lives, civilian and military, let's not forget that. If there is anyway to avoid more casualties, then it is a benefit.
This is rerally quite funny...I just returned from Afghanistan and per Gen McChrystals memo and guidance we were not allowed to use lasers since it disrupts and bothers the locals...Amazing The public is told one thing and in reality it is against ISAF directive to use lasers, pen flares and anything like that...we were ordered and instructed not to honk at cars while driving.....
OSV...go ahead and put your head back in the sand, where it's been every time I see you make an entry. For once, take the time to understand what happened and why this war is being fought. Of course war is obnoxious, but so is your liberal, left, "We are the world" mentality...
Rico...sounds like someone needs to use some type of weapon on you, moron!
I've seen green lasers being used in hunting for night vision. Lasergenetics.com has 3 or 4 models of various strengths.
Hey Rico! You’re a buffoon!
I hate myself, you see I promised to stop reading the comment boards on CNN stories because I invariably run smack dab into a wall of stupefying stupidity that burns my brain. But I did it anyway, more fool me and stupid is what I got.
"Won't be long before this dangerous weapon..."
Yes because a crowd dispersal device to disperse crowds without lethal force or lethal injury is exactly like a fifteen kiloton nuclear device designed to incinerate a large area. They are not alike and seen as thousands are not dead, that Toronto and Pittsburgh are still there, you are just indulging in extreme, distorting hyperbole.
"Pain compliance is the newest rage."
What, you were expecting that there would never be any misuse, never any accidents? It beats being shot or subdued via a generous application of a night-stick.
"And don't forget Oscar Grant who was murdered on video..."
Yes let us not forget a random story you just threw in, what is your point, that misuse or accidents happen? How about those bank employees murdered in Greece after some of these protesters you admire so much tossed petrol bombs into it?
"The laser will singe you, just like the LRAD has deafened people on "low" settings."
Has it killed them? Oh right no, what it did was disrupted your ability to go and do as you please which usually means obstruction and disruption of whatever you disagree with, and wholesale destruction of whatever property is near to hand. Then there are the malcontents who hide amongst the larger outfit and use the whole thing as a cover for their own ends, like tossing petrol bombs.
"Tazers need be outlawed, LRAD's need to be out..."
Oh yes outlaw them all, what shall the police use when they come to dealing with criminals, harsh words? Appeal to their humanity? First it was guns, now it is every last device that is designed to be largely non-lethal, you want a police force that is completely unarmed and unable to lay a finger on anyone. So any merry band of sanctimonious cretins can run riot wherever they please solely because they think they are right.
Is there some mod queue in operation here?
After traveling in many convoys in Afghanistan, I know first-hand how difficult it was for our gunners to decide what level of response to employ when a car is barrelling at you. You literally have seconds to decide whether it is a suicide bomber or just a family man trying to get home. Do you fire a warning shot, oh wait, it's a heavily populated area, you'll hit someone, or do you blow the vehicle away? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I love how people complain and complain but never come up with a solution. Still waiting...
Rico sounds like a perverted socialist.person, some people in the states dont realize some maniacs are on war against US? What rico needs to accepted it? An army landing in Miami Beach? this is a different type of war! But he still wants American troops being shot with live bullets and in return shoot back packages of Candies or some other toy or rad first the Miranda Rights! Anyone has the right to be ignorant but not to be so stupid!
why not give the soldiers bouquets of flowers to offer enemy combatants. The soldiers could ask these combatants as they offered them bouquets; 'Pretty. Pretty Please lay down that AK-47 you have pointed at my head'.
In a counter-insurgency operation combatants are intermixed with non-combatants. Killing non-combatants isn't very much liked by other non-combatants. In fact, it often converts non-combatants that are still alive into combatants, and as such is counter-productive. On an emotional level, it is easy to give in to feeling like "all those ragheads are the same, just rain fire on them". It just doesn't work, unless you are prepared for a full-on genocide. So we have to find ways to kill less civilians, while not risking our own soldier's lives - and device we all just saw is one attempt at it.
Yes, these are the facts on the ground. Imperialism could be implemented just and just by such actions. They will blind the enemy but not the faith of the enemy.
You should be outlawed you freak! You offer "nothing" but stupid comments
This is OLD news we were doing this in Iraq five or six years ago....When a driver is headed toward your column you can easily use the laser to get his attention before you have to escalate your ROE.
they might as well put a bullseye on their army vehicles and say follow the green light and shoot at me ..lol...lol...
its only going to be use to blind them when they are being attack they are not going to have it on all the time
well that's part of the reason for it, it's hard as hell to go looking for these guys and by going to look for them there's the possibility of hurting civilians, so why not make them come to you?
I wonder if they yell out "IMMA FIRIN MAH LAZHAR!" when they use these things? I totally would.
My buddy had one of these things. At most, if someone is sleeping, you can make a burn mark on them if you hold it in one place for like 10 minutes. He said they used to cap them with the novelty laser tips (the ones that look like the trucker mudflap girl, some that look like smiley faces, etc.) and laser people's necks while they slept so they'd have the mark on there for a day or so.
Kevin Mahne: right-on.
This isn't meant to blind, not even temporarily. After watching the video, the MAJ at Aberdeen pretty much said the same: this does not cause harm. And apart from the show-and-tell presentation conducted at Aberdeen, the use of green lights in escalation of force is not news. It's been around for years. As for the CROWS system, or whatever it's called, I'd be curious as to when that's likely to be fielded to even 50% of the units that could use them. That's the story to follow.
The lakers lost game 2 at home, unacceptable...@^$%#^$#%^$^%*&^&^boston will pay for this. %&$^$%&^%(&^.
Hey Rico, take your police/military/state hate and shove it! Try standing with us instead of against and then see if you utter the same garbage. Any tool that will allow police and military to stay safe and hopefully cause less harm to the people involved with them are an asset. Or we can just get ride of the "ride for 5" tazers and starting using "lead propulsion devices" aka guns all the time, personally I think you would choose a tazer!
Won't be long before this dangerous weapon will be used against peaceful protesters just like in Pittsburgh at the G20 and at Toronto's G20 meetings the LRAD (long range acoustic device) soundcannon was "debuted". Just like the "debut" of nukes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Pain compliance is the newest rage. Tazers were initially implemented to replace handguns as a last resort weapon. Now jacking someone with 50,000 volts is SOP for the PIGS and a long list of youth, elderly, pregnant women deaths have been reported.
And don't forget Oscar Grant who was murdered on video in San Francisco by B.A.R.T. cop Johann Meserhle who claimed he thought he had pulled his tazer.
What a joke...tazer, 9mm feel exactly the same, right johnny law?
This is what a POLICE STATE looks like folks. The laser will singe it (it's adjustable) you, just like the LRAD has deafened people on "low" settings.
We're not fooled. This is just another toy of the Military Industrial Complex that President Eisenhower warned us of in his Jan. 17, 1961 farewell address. Tazers need be outlawed, LRAD's need to be outlawed, microwave guns (as seen on 60 Minutes) need to be outlawed.
But more than that, the United States Government is now a giant behemoth of nation building (we have bases in more than 130 countries, and the Saudi Bin Laden Group and Dick Cheney's Halliburton/KBR builds them all!
Yeah, the bin Ladens have been bidnez potnahs of the Bush Klan for over 40 years! Arbusto Energy? Little Georgie's 1st Oil company? Funded by Osama's older brother and the deal was brokered by Jim Baath, W.'s Nat'l Guard pilot buddy.
You can't hide corruption but for so long...
LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!
Since activist are so opinionated, maybe the U.S. should leave trouble spots altogether and send the activists there to tell the jihadist to stop chopping heads off and spraying acid on women for wanting to learn.
"Pain compliance is the newest rage. Tazers were initially implemented to replace handguns as a last resort weapon. Now jacking someone with 50,000 volts is SOP for the PIGS and a long list of youth, elderly, pregnant women deaths have been reported."
You should ask what pain compliance threashold Al Queda uses when they cut testicles off or disembowel pregnant women who are not swayed over to their view of righteousness.
Right on, and if it wasn't lasers this guy would have replaced every mention of 'laser' with 'gun' or 'taser' or even knife if all those got outlawed somehow- then before they know it something bad happens to them and they complain aloud why the police weren't there to stop him dead in his tracks with a taser.
I have actually handled both a 9mm and a taser and the grip on them actually feel the same, now the taser weighs more and is much bulkier but in a adrenaline fueled conflict i could totally see him pulling his gun instead
thirdly where are pregnant women getting tased by police- i cant say I've ever seen a severely pregnant woman protesting or committing a robbery or something...
wow, conspiracy theorist huh? right, umm well you can take your conspiracies and shove them up the obvious place, these things are keeping my friends alive and if you have a problem with that why don't you join the army and go on some convoys and see how you feel then about this new gadget, either that or shut up, take your pick
You and this Gary Johndro are like two peas in a pod!
I understand the practical use of this technology for protecting our troops, so I support it 100%, as I am sure you do. However, am I correct in assuming by what you said that you don't believe in conspiracies? Name any big historical event that happened – ever – that did not come from a group of people planning it out, i.e. a conspiracy.
I totally agree with you,Rico.It won't be long before these thugs start to use these weapons in a more deadly form and that will be a tragedy.
Do you go on the jihadist forums and tell them to find a more humane way of cutting off heads and murdering entire families or entire neighborhoods? Maybe you can convince suicide bombers to not blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace full of people just wanting to buy grocerries. How about you send them Hallmark cards littered with flowery poetry. I'm sure that'll change their minds.
Those lasers, they've been around for a LONG time. In fact, first it was the red lasers. Is there really a problem them? No, because any person with a half bit of intelligence can tell you. If someone shines one of those things in your eye, you close your eyes to protect yourself from the ray. I haven't met one person who finds the feeling of staring into the laser itself a fun experience and wishes to prolong it with direct exposure to the beam in his retina for hours on end. Seriously, this isn't news, this is one of those things I wonder "How in the hell did this make it onto CNN in the first place?!" It would be like reporting the Lincoln Assassination, as if it were news today in my eyes.
Yeah, and you know, these lasers are NOTHING compared to some of the ones the U.S. and Russia have tested from what I have heard. I know a Bulgarian guy who told me that when he was in the military back in the cold war era(the Bulgarian KGB) he heard of the Soviets literally frying thousands of Chinese soldiers in some border dispute. I'm sure both the USSR and PRC kept that under raps, so nobody has really ever heard of it. Furthermore, someone in the U.S. Navy told me about how we were testing a laser and it burned a whole forest down. Anyone else ever hear of any of this?
They did and probably still do have a device about the size of a large garbage can, a few hundred holes with a spinning laser inside, purpose was to blind troops, not temporary either, permanently. Both sides developed them during the cold war. It's also one of the reason the binos were changed to laser resistant.
RICO – Stop acting like a little BI7CH and if you do not like it in the US, get out! I am tired of PUNKS like you running their mouth and trying to solve all the problems! JUST SHUT UP!
It feels like you took it on the chin by your daddy?!
I wish you could live in a true police state for a year or so. Would sure make you appreciate good ol' US of A.
You make some valid points in your post, but unfortunately it is hard to take you seriously when you frame everything as part of some big conspiracy and use such derogatory language. Grow up. You ruined the main gist of your post with all of the other wack-job loon BS you threw in.
"Just like the 'debut' of nukes?" What do they have in common? The word "debut?" Back up your comparison.
Shut up, moron. People like you won't be happy until we stop detaining anyone for doing anything wrong and we turn into a terrorist state.
First a laser is not a weapon it is a warning device similar to a loudhailer. Second, if used properly and at the correct range the green beam laser does not temporarily blind the individual it is aimed at. It simply forces the individual to close his or her eyes for a split second.
Laser pointers are Class III – extended viewing will damage/blind. Closing your eyes is how one saves their eyes.
The range is extensive, thus the blinding of airline pilots. Not a toy!
FIrst of all, I would like to say that I am a proud American with 13 1/2 Yaears of military service. I just returned from Iraq 7 days ago from a tour. I know there are a lot of people who do not like the fact that we use the weapons/warning devices that we are currentlt equiped with.
Now, with that being said I did make a choice to join the military and serve my country including my own country people who dislike what we do. Trust me...... I DON'T LIKE BEING AWAY FROM MY KIDS AND MY WIFE, and not having power when it's 122 degrees outside and having to brush my teeth with bottled water, and sleep with some of the most dangerous creatures in Iraq.
I mean who is going to protect this country??????? The people we have arguing on this forum? NO!!!! That's why I do what I do!!!! So we as Americans can complain in freedom.
In closing.....I'll use WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY TO GET HOME FROM A WAR!!!!!! SO BACK OFF THE MILITARY!!!
What the hell does your hero post have anything to do with the information provided in this story?
I agree why do we continue to tie the hands of our troops???? This is a WAR and in WAR the idea is to make that other sucker die for his country. KILL'M ALL let God sort them out!!!!!! 101 st Airborne LRRP Viet Nam 1964 to 1966....
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