June 2nd, 2010
09:28 AM ET

Troops capture Taliban 'governor' after killing ex-gov

Troops in Afghanistan have captured a Taliban shadow governor not long after killing his predecessor, the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force said Wednesday.

Afghan and international forces captured the Taliban shadow governor of Baghlan province, in northern Afghanistan, as he prepared to go to Pakistan on Monday, the NATO-led military command said in a statement. The capture came just after an airstrike killed the former shadow governor.

The Taliban has shadow governors around Afghanistan. They are front men in a de facto Taliban government network that works alongside the elected legitimate government of Afghanistan.

The Taliban shadow government functions under the name of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. It is organized much like a legitimate government, with the Taliban appointing governors, giving them performance reviews and replacing them if necessary, according to a report from Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan.

The Taliban are known for embracing a strict version of Sharia, or Islamic law, and the shadow government has set up courts to deliver "swift and enforced" justice both in areas controlled by the Taliban and in areas controlled by the Afghan government, according to McChrystal.

Taliban fighters and laborers are taxed, McChrystal wrote, and the Taliban claim to provide security against the Afghan government and coalition forces as well as those seen as criminals.

The International Security Assistance Force said Wednesday that troops captured the shadow governor in Baghlan a day after an airstrike killed his predecessor. On Saturday, however, the force said the previous shadow governor in Baghlan died in a strike on Friday.

"This capture marks the third time in as many weeks that the Taliban have had to replace named shadow governors for Baghlan province because of coalition operations," the NATO-led military command said Wednesday.

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  1. Zella Edsall

    Great story and example

    June 29, 2010 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Michael Schulze

    In a world dominated by religion how could you expect peace. Each commands you to kill the other and, in the same book, say you will be punished if you refuse. They are all crap, and I am concerned that it isn't regularly stated. Instead of following what is, or that we can best prove, we instead distract ourselves with myth, that would seem unplausible to a kindergardner. Come on people, have some self respect...

    June 14, 2010 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
  3. Nike Dunk High Premium

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    June 10, 2010 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Dennis

    I'm Russian, but all I can say is God Bless USA and may God keep U.S. Soldiers out of harms way. A lot of Russian Soldiers died in the same places where U.S. Soldiers are stationed now, probably fighting the same bad guys in turbans.

    God bless ya guys!

    June 6, 2010 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Gary Johndro

    Lorri,thank you for defending our most glorious war against Islam.

    June 5, 2010 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
  6. cdmfrmca

    The next step should be to bomb Cambodia.

    June 4, 2010 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Dan in Lafayette,IN

    We will never win this war or the war on terror until Islam makes a stand and reforms itself into a true religion of God! One that loves all people and does not put itself above anyone else! As it is now they put themselves above all others and all others must convert to their religion or die! This is not the way of God! He wants us all to love one another no matter who we are or what we believe in! These are the people who will inherit the kingdom of God! Those who give of themselves for others without the expectation of something in return! This is what America stands for and fights for! We left for the new world with this in mind, peace, liberty and happiness for all! Not just for one religion, race or ethnicity!

    June 4, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Eric

    Chukster the Anus expert.....I am waiting for you in Afghanistan.....don't insult me by calling me an American in whatever words you are using. All post from any part of the world is posted showing CNN time Mr Anus, don't u know or has the US army destroyed your thinking faculty to that extent!!!

    June 4, 2010 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Chuckster

      Hey Eric, we just got another RAT POOP in Kandahar!!!! Deader than a nail!!!! Like I said my little butt boy, one at a time. Caveman probably went outside to poop in his hole. ALLAH WILL BE PROUD!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAA. I am laughing at you boy!!!!!!

      June 4, 2010 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Chuckster, with your preoccupation with "anuses" and "butt" it gives a good indication where your brains is located, that is why your posts are full of CRAP. The Taliban are losing count of the number of your buddies they are deciminating, that is why all your US army buddies are hiding in their bases and have no guts to come out are face the Taliban. The Taliban are fed up waiting for them and have decided to attack them in their very own "fortified" bases!!! HA HA HA the laugh is on you Mr Anus......Come to Afghanistan and help your buddies they need you help!!!

        June 7, 2010 at 2:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Chuckster

      Not US Army butt boy, USMC ,thats right the Doberman Pinchers of the military!!!!!!

      June 4, 2010 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Gary Johndro

        Chuckster,with guys like you,we'll have our glorious empre in the Middle East with less Muslims to oppose us!!!

        June 5, 2010 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |

    You got any more of the stuf your????

    June 3, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dennis

      I think the stuff he's on is produced only in Afghanistan :)))))

      June 3, 2010 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jerry

        I think the stuff Eric is on is produced South America...

        June 4, 2010 at 7:13 am | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Jerry you some sort of stuff merchant, get together with Chuckster he is the Anus merchant.....both of you'll can do a roaring business in America, both north and south, stuffing American Anusses.......

        June 4, 2010 at 10:17 am | Report abuse |
      • Chuckster

        Eric, you are an EAST COAST BOY!!!!!! Look at his post and the time. Hes just some punk playing a GAME. Your an embarrassment to the country and Yankees, you fool!!!!

        June 4, 2010 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
  10. Dennis

    I wanted to put my 2 cents in regarding the Russian mission in Afghanistan and American mission in Afghanistan.

    Please note that I'm Russian by nationality, so my information regarding the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan comes from first-hand sources.

    #1 What some here write, that Soviets deliberately attacked Afghan civilians is factually incorrect. Soviet forces did not kill civilians deliberately, they were simply very heavy-handed in their tactics. For example, if a military convoy was attacked and the attackers (after firing off RPGs and machineguns, hitting some APCs, killing some soldiers, etc...) escaped to the nearby village, the high command would not send SpecOps guys after them. They'd just cover bomb the hell out of the entire village that gave refuge to mujahedeen in an effort to teach others a lesson (much like USA did in Vietnam). As we can see, this did not work well. Furthermore I am very glad to see that USA is not following that same example.
    However, I want to emphasize, that currently we do read about civilian casualties in PACKS in Afghanistan every single week in the news – be it from an accidentally bombed wedding procession, or accidentally shot Afghan soldiers, or a missile strike by accident missing its target and killing civilians. Even Hamid Karzai is not impressed. As such I'm not sure whether those that write that "USA doesn't kill civilians" understand that the local Afghani population has a different point of view on the situation and they don't care much whether their loved ones were killed on purpose or by accident.

    #2 The argument that US forces have drones, BPLAs and superior fire power as opposed to the Soviet forces is probably the best one that I read in this thread when it comes to proving that USA might win this war. However, keep in mind that the Soviet army also had a VERY advanced military back in the 80's, while Afghanis were fighting with firearms from the beginning-middle of 20th century, some even with 19th century rifles. They were severely outmatched weapons-wise, but they still won. The issue for that is that a lot of their bases are located in the cave systems of mountainous regions, where drones aren't of much help – Russians covered bombed these mountains and still could not smoke out the mujahedeen from their caves nor inflict any reasonable damage on those hiding there. Basically drones, fighter jets, helicopters, tanks, armoured vehicles are all useless when it comes to the mountains, where the Taliban's main bases are. (And do remember that the British in the 19th century also had superior firepower and also managed to lose the war).

    #3 This is an IMPORTANT point to consider: USSR did NOT want to occupy Afghanistan and stay there forever like some are suggesting in this thread. In fact the only goal was to provide support to Afghani communists who REQUESTED USSR's help (read Wikipedia for more). So the goal of the invasion was very similar to the one that USA is currently pursuing. There's only one difference, but everything else is the same... Soviets wanted to install COMMUNISM and quit, while USA wants to install DEMOCRACY and quit. What I am getting at is that Afghanistan, with 90% illiterate+highly religious population (think Middle Ages in Europe) might simply not be ready for a transition to a more advanced society. It seems to me that those that support Taliban (and not only them) are happy to live in their Feudal-Islamic system and do not want/need any change. And bringing communism/democracy at the barrel of a gun to an unwilling populace is not an easy task.

    #4 USSR did NOT lose the war on the ground in Afghanistan militarily). In fact it controlled Afghanistan pretty well. You know what was the problem? Mujahedeen crossing the border in karavans from... guess where? Pakistan, of course! Now, fast forward to today, and USA is facing the same problem... Once again members of Taliban freely cross the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, OBL is supposedly hiding out in Pakistan, etc... does anyone see the similarities?

    #5 Most important question – why DID Soviets lose? A part of the answer lies in the fact that USA supplied mujahedeen with weapons, like stingers and modern rifles (note that today they simply use them against NATO troops). But the real reasons are these:
    a) The war stopped being popular in USSR. After receiving over 50,000 coffins, and over 200,000 wounded soldiers (you see a lot them these days in Moscow and other Russian cities – Afghan war veterans missing limbs, asking for spare change in subway stations, etc) most part of the population stopped supporting the war, especially after it saw how the wounded soldiers are being treated by the govt. when they get back home (think: American 70's anti-war movement).
    b) The war became too costly. After 10 years in Afghanistan and billions of rubles (Russian currency) invested into the war, USSR's economic situation really went downhill (actually this was one of the BIG reasons why USSR went belly up in the end). And considering that Afghanistan has no oil and very little to none other natural resources it's been an investment that could never pay itself back. Fast forward to today and we see USA in the midst of an economic crisis as well...

    Anyway, I could've added a few more points, but it seems that my post is too long as it is.

    One thing I'd like to emphasize is that I'm 100% rooting for American/NATO forces in Afghanistan. I really truly hope that you'll be able to overpower Taliban and bring this god-forsaken land at least some sort of stability. Stabilizing the country would certainly be the best solution for everyone, including Russia... No one likes Islamic fundamentalists, especially when they're camped not too far from your own country (and Russia is really not far from Afghanistan).

    I just really do wonder whether this is an achievable goal. Despite what many write here the similarities between USA and Soviet operations in Afghanistan are simply astounding. Once again, I hope you guys will win this war, but I really truly hope that you're keeping in mind the lessons learned by USSR only a bit more than 20 years ago.

    June 3, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dennis

      P.P.S. If you want more on this movie just look up "9th Company" on IMDB.

      And THERE ARE English subbed/dubbed versions of the movie available!

      June 3, 2010 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      why would they give crap if any of their loved ones were "murdered". In their false religion they believe that anyone who is killed by another goes straight to "Heaven".

      June 3, 2010 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dennis

        Andrew, ya're actually wrong there. In their religion only those that die during the "war with infidels" (Jihad = an actual conflict) and have actually participated in the war are considered to be martyrs. Those that die "accidentally" are not.

        – if you blow yourself up along with some Soldiers, you're a martyr and go to heaven with 79 or however many virgins are being promised.
        – If you don't participate in Jihad and die because your mud hut was struck by an errant missile no heaven/virgins are being offered.

        That's something really important to understand about their psychology. According to them civilians who die are not going to heaven automatically – only fighters that die during an armed struggle do.

        June 3, 2010 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Honestly, I believe the US/NATO would win this war (and somewhat quickly) if the Afghan government was up-to-the-task with giving proper governance. It seems to me that the Karzai administration (from him down to the common police officer) are corrupt and only in it for themselves. From what I hear, the police and Afghan National Army (ANA) are ridiculously poor in combat and pretty much anything else that they do. There are "some" good ones, but more bad than good.

      June 3, 2010 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dennis

        Steve, this is actually another point that I failed to mention in my post.

        USSR ALSO had a communist puppet government in Afghanistan. That puppet government (actually as communist as Karzai is a democrat) also failed, and also because of the same basic reasons: inefficiency, corruption, no trust from regular citizens.

        USSR also had a local "Afghan army" to assist them. Actually one of its members was mentioned in one of the previous articles here on CNN – the "only Afghani female helicopter fighter pilot" was trained by Soviets and fought against mujahedeen. It turned out this army was completely incompetent, since they offered literally no resistance to mujahedeen when USSR left, and in fact claimed that Soviets "made them" fight on their side, while they were actually pro-mujahedeen.

        These are once again two flashbacks to Soviet occupation of Afghanistan that should really ring it close to home.

        June 3, 2010 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        "Honestly, I believe the US/NATO would win this war (and somewhat quickly)" DREAM ON MUSHROOM!!!

        June 4, 2010 at 3:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Eric... intelligent debate must be a difficult thing for you to comprehend.

        June 5, 2010 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Your debate intelligent??? Your debate is an insult to the word intelligent!!! Your debate is indicative of one who is kept in the dark and fed crap. You need to come to Afghanistan and get first hand the facts on the ground instead of relying on the crap that your government is feeding you.

        June 7, 2010 at 2:39 am | Report abuse |
  11. Steve

    Tong... is there a problem with your Caps Lock button?

    June 3, 2010 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
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    • Chuckster

      TONG, get a grip my Asian Friend and share that darn good smoke!!!!!

      June 3, 2010 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
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    June 3, 2010 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuckster

      TONG, thats Nuclear Submarine, Geesch!!!!

      June 3, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Steve

    Eric... let me correct you, because it is apparent to me that you are an ignorant person. For starters, you are correct that Marjah isn't secure, but there are no longer "15,000 coalition troops there against only a couple hundred Taliban." In fact, there are only 2 Marine infantry battalions there, both of which have endured casualties. The Army "Strykers", as well as the Marines 1/3 are no longer operating in the area... so that brings down the "15,000" number from the original invasion (those two were support battalions no longer there to secure a perimeter). Also, the British aren't in "Marjah" but they are in a neighboring district. You have no idea what you're talking about, because you sit on the computer and make pot-shots against the US because you think you're cunning and funny... when in fact, you're a fool.

    The only reason why we (US/NATO) appear to be losing is because the Taliban have a good control on the perception. Taliban are killed in battle and often times, their bodies are taken away and buried quickly to hide the fact that the Taliban lose every single engagement that they're in. The ONLY reason why Marjah isn't completely secure is because the leaders of the coalition have handcuffed our troops there (which are only a few thousand in the Marjah district, which is larger than Cleveland). The Taliban hide behind civilians knowing we don't fire back. They shoot and run because they are cowards. If our Marines were given full authority to hit anything that we even suspected was Taliban... we would have Marjah secured in about 15 hours. We won't do that, though, because many civilians would be killed in the process.

    June 3, 2010 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      Seems like you are also content being part of the mushroom club (being kept in the dark and fed crap by your government). Come here to Afghanistan, if you have the guts, an experience reality first hand!!!

      June 4, 2010 at 3:22 am | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Yeah, I'm sure you're in Afghanistan Eric. In reality, you're some guy that has no idea what he's talking about, and completely ignored everything I said because you can't argue back (logically speaking, of course).

        June 5, 2010 at 1:09 am | Report abuse |
  21. Ben

    Just one question, "Why are they taking prisoners?"

    June 3, 2010 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      Because our crackhead president Obama doesn't want to be remembered as Obama the Terrible but as Obama the F-g who sits on his @$$ and doesn't do S–t. He's no better than any bum in Detroit. The only interest I've seen him take in the war is protecting his fellow Muslims. (A false religion)

      June 3, 2010 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Chuckster

    Eric must be a Camel Anus Terrorist. Your day of justice will come CAVEMAN. Look up in the sky for that Steel Dragon!!!!

    June 3, 2010 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      Losers always become abusive when they have their "burnt black ANUSES" to the wall!!! HA HA HA HA

      June 4, 2010 at 3:30 am | Report abuse |
      • BigDipper

        Eric is a troll. Don't feed the trolls. He's not in Afghanistan. He's a high school dropout, living in his parents basement, fancying himself some kind of intellectual. Or maybe he's just trying to get a rise out of you. Next.

        June 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary Johndro

      It's nice to have a like-minded Tea Partier like you blog in here to defend our views.I bet that in November,our candidates will win bigtime at the polls and hopefully soon after,we'll have our Middle Eastern empire.

      June 5, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
  23. evansusmc

    @ Eric, I seriously am curious where you are getting your BS intel. You are very delusional.

    June 3, 2010 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Former Marine

      From the way he said "We are winning this war" that would mean he is Taliban... CNN needs to track his IP address and he can explain how "They're winning this war" when they're taking him to the nearest Terrorist Detention Center. (Because I believe they closed Gitmo)

      June 3, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Seems like serving in the US army has brainwashed your mind to such an extent that you cannot comprehend what is being written. Chuckster said "We are winning this WAR!!!!!" to which I made a comment. I am right here in Afghanistan so send your American goons to take me to the "nearest Terrorist Detention Center." To the Aghan people the Americans are the biggest terrorist. Come here to Afghanistan, if you have the guts, and experience reality first hand.

        June 4, 2010 at 3:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      I am right here in Afghanistan. Come here to Afghanistan, if you have the guts, and experience reality first hand.

      June 4, 2010 at 3:19 am | Report abuse |
      • Chuckster

        Already been there twice as a Marine and got to waste some Taliban Fighters, it was a pleasure parting their skulls with that M82A3. Thats .50 Cal to you Eric, too bad I didn't have your sorry anus in my cross hairs. I wonder how many of your relatives I wasted???????

        June 4, 2010 at 8:42 am | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Chuckster the Anus expert..........You did a very bad thing leaving your buddies are running away. The Taliban are roasting and toasting your buddies left, right and centre including their anusses. Come back and save your buddies anusses ........THEY NEED YOU NOW!!!

        June 4, 2010 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
  24. Andrew

    The well being of our troops should be the least of your worries. When they entered the military they knew what they were getting into. Stopping another 9/11. And our taxpayers' money isn't going toward this war it's going to fix the auto industy and bank f–k ups. The U.S will not meet a humiliating defeat. The U.S along with the help of the U.K and Poland will squeeze the life out of this evil war machine. Have some patriotism, you stuck up son of a b–ch, Eric.

    June 3, 2010 at 8:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      Keep on kidding youself mate!!! The situation for Americans in Afghanistan is very grave indeed!!! Seems like the Taliban are toasting the "ANUSES" of them Americans and their allies. Give it till the end of this year and their "Anuses" won't only be toasted they will be burnt black. The fall of the American empire is at hand!! "The U.S will not meet a humiliating defeat " seems like you are also part of the mushroom club (kept in the dark and fed crap by your government)

      June 3, 2010 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Andrew

        "Kept in the dark and fed crap from the goverment my @$$." It's stupid mothers like you that dug the U.S into this trench. You think you know so much about the outside world and you haven't even been outside of the U.S. And what's with this cut our losses S–t? How can we just quit when we've already sacrificed so much?

        June 3, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Eric

    If America keeps on fighting the Taliban then very soon they will be a "shadow" of their former self. The Taliban are not short of skill and strategy to defeat the US/Nato forces although they are outmanned and outgunned. Go and see... the coalition forces are not in control of Marjah after their much publicised campaign...15000 coalition soldiers with high-tech weapons and full air support against +-200 Taliban. The Americans will meet with humiliating defeat if they continue with this misadventure into Afghanistan. They need to pull out now and save the young soldiers lives and the American taxpayers money!!!

    June 3, 2010 at 5:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Chuckster

      Eric, where do you get your intelligence informatiom from??? I love this, another Civilian who thinks he has the inside track on Terrorism. Must be Canadian with that type of opinion. Well Eric, I believe you are full of it and I am here to tell you WE WILL GET EVERY ONE OF THESE RATS and POST TOASTY THEIR ANUSES!!! One at a time, methodically, intelligently, and forever!!!! ALL OF THEM WILL PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE!!!!! We are winning this WAR!!!!!

      June 3, 2010 at 8:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Keep on kidding youself mate!!! The situation for Americans in Afghanistan is very grave indeed!!! Seems like the Taliban are toasting the "ANUSES" of them Americans and their allies. Give it till the end of this year and their "Anuses" won't only be toasted they will be burnt black. The fall of the American empire is at hand!! "We are winning this WAR!!!!!" seems like you are part of the mushroom club (kept in the dark and fed crap by your government)

        June 3, 2010 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
      • Chuckster

        So Eric, you must be a Terrorist, You P.O.S. I hope you go out and take a $**t in your hole so that steel dragon of death can acquire you and toast your anus FOOLLLLLLL!!!! Look up at the sky you Bas***D. I hope they kill all your family also!!!

        June 3, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • MaryM

      Fall of the empire? We are not an empire we do not seek to expand control over other territories. We are a nation comprised of people who are unlike any other. We are accustomed to freedoms that we'd spend out last breath protecting. You underestimate the power of the American people. As for the Taliban, their oppressive control over the people will loosen and the country will stabilize because we will educate the people on what they could have without a terrorist nation.

      June 3, 2010 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Andrew

        Yes, but how do we know who we are educating. We may just be putting tools in their hands for them to turn around and create a resurgence.

        June 3, 2010 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Gary Johndro

        MaryM,isn't it time that we drop the charade and be more overt about what we're doing over there?Of course we're building an empire,if not in name,but in fact.And who have we to be afraid of,anyway???

        June 5, 2010 at 8:23 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Iraq Paramedic

    Again very simple people, Ezekeil 37-40, the book of Isaiah & the book of Revalations. Untill the Mesihia comes back down & chains & casts the false prophet, the false pastors & ministers, the anti-christ & Lucipher himself into the lake of fire there will be wars of all kinds. Untill then yes, I think if we keep taking out the higher eschilons of the Taliban organization & working to get the Afghan people the basics of civil society & stay with them a while longer I think Afghanistan is going to blume like a flower in the desert.
    May GOD bless & keep us all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    June 3, 2010 at 4:36 am | Report abuse |
  27. saffronpixi

    It is a pity that we cannot learn lessons from the past. The NWFP tribes have been notorious for the past 300 years with their defence of their territory from invaders. The British East India Co. tried to force it's way into Afghanistan and after 3 Afghan Wars, were repelled. The Great Game is still on only it's the US beating the drum with the 'Coalition of the willing' and frankly, there has been little progress made either for the people of Afghanistan or the 'anti' Taliban forces. Without getting the 'tribes' on side, nothing can change. The 'Taliban' are people and need to be included and brought to the 'table', to establish any real 'democracy', their continued exclusion can only maintain the hatred.

    June 3, 2010 at 2:36 am | Report abuse |
    • ks


      The people you talk about are the same ones who kill and murder locals and US troops daily. The tailban need to be brought to justice the same way Sadam Hussein was. You would definitely think different if you lost a son, daughter, or spouse in the war. Sleep well tonight dreaming of world peace as a soldier saves your butt from the enemy and allows you the freedom you have to say what you think. If you think they need to be brought to the table then, take your butt over there and try to have a sit down dinner with them. ISee what happens to you. I think they need should get the punishment they deserve !!

      June 3, 2010 at 4:43 am | Report abuse |
    • ks

      The same people you talk about are the ones who kill and murder locals and US troops daily. The tailban need to be brought to justice the same way Sadam Hussein was. You would definitely think different if you lost a son, daughter, or spouse in the war. Sleep well tonight dreaming of world peace as a soldier saves your butt from the enemy and allows you the freedom you have to say what you think. If you think they need to be brought to the table then, take your butt over there and try to have a sit down dinner with them. ISee what happens to you. I think they need should get the punishment they deserve !!

      June 3, 2010 at 4:44 am | Report abuse |
  28. Kill The Taliban

    Human endurance has its limitations. The Taliban are no match for our technology. You can call them heroes, martyrs, or whatever you want. Like the mafia, most of them will be dead. Just watch! πŸ™‚

    June 3, 2010 at 1:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Kill The Taliban

      The kill ratio is ridiculous & not sustainable! The Taliban have time to beat off but not to make babies! πŸ™‚

      June 3, 2010 at 2:00 am | Report abuse |
  29. Kill The Taliban

    Let's not sit on our laurels and keep going after these MFs! πŸ™‚

    June 3, 2010 at 1:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary Johndro

      I'm with you all the way!!!!

      June 5, 2010 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Bhatti

    Such shadow structure of Taliban must be liquidated in one go.

    June 2, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Jack Daniels

    Have you learned your lesson about being "RUDE" and "STUPID" ??

    June 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Chuckster

    They got another one!!! Excellent, now the Taliban should understand that we mean business. Can you really believe how stupid this organization truly is: 1. They were talking crap at 911 and being the big man all the muzlims think they are, they talk crap to the giant in the USA and we go, we see, we stomp their camel anuses all over the place to the point they lose their country. 2. They continue to talk smack and we find these RATS and we either KILL THEM or CAPTURE THEM which in it self really kills them. I say the "Taliban" does not mean "STUDENTS" It means "STUPIDS" and you too can come and kick our worthless anuses. What a joke the Taliban is!!!!!!!!!! We will get all of you one at a time!!!! Beware of the steel dragons in the sky.

    June 2, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      It's the Taliban who are are seeking to defend Islam whereas NATO is hoping to curtail it as much as possible,if not obliterate it altogether and the word "taliban" does mean "student" in Pashtun.

      June 2, 2010 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • jpriv707

        Onesmallvoice...Yes the Taliban does defend their extreme, hate-filled version of Islam which ruled Afghanistan prior to the NATO invasion where women weren't allowed to leave there house and the same Taliban that sheltered al-Qa'ida and still does...yes you are correct. Does fighting the taliban and religious extremism entail obliterating Islam?...never thought of that way...im not really picking up on the reason behind defining "taliban"...which happens to be of arabic origin

        June 2, 2010 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette,IN

        Onetinyvoice, the Taliban does not defend Islam, it defames Islam! And if Islam wants to be a true religion of God then it aught to practice the love that God has for all people! The Taliban only uses Islam to terrorize and kill people just to regain power and control over the people! They are not godly people but follow the ways of the devil for power!

        June 2, 2010 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        onesmallvoice... if anything, the Taliban degrades Islam and makes it look terrible on the world stage. Their hard line practice of Sharia Law should be shunned by all sane people of the world. Claiming it's a "right-wing conspiracy" against Islam proves that you are ignorant.

        June 2, 2010 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Mike C.

    The problem with the snake metaphor is that it doesn't work for terrorist organization in the world today. The snake metaphor works for rogue nations and standing armies. The Taliban is more like a starfish. If you cut off what you think might be it's head, it will just grow another one, if you cut off all 5 of it's heads, 5 more starfish will grow in addition to the first one regenerating too. The only way to kill a starflsh it to destroy it's food source completely, and it will starve. In the Taliban's case, remove poppy and they will wither and die.

    June 2, 2010 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • TreyMcK

      The food source is an Aghan population with no way live a peaceful life. While fighting the Taliban, we (coalition forces and the Afghan government) also need to provide schools and electricity and a market for farm produce that is not based on poppy production. Feed their stimaches, give them some hope and a means of living a decent life and hearts and minds will follow.
      And, if you still believe destroying the poppy production will destroy the Taliban, figure out how end Western demand for opium,etc. The poppy fields are so profitable because the drug trade is.

      June 2, 2010 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      While eliminating the poppy fields will do some damage to the insurgency, I don't believe it's a back-breaker. I think taking out the leaders (my snakes head method) has the added benefit of creating disorganization and inner fighting with the POSSIBILITY (not a guarantee though) of splintering the organization and creating rival factions within the Taliban. While the Taliban has a common enemy (us), many of them are banded together and very different from one another. We've heard stories about Taliban having foreign fighters that come from several Arab states or even Chechnya (excuse my spelling). I remember reading an article a while back of an insurgent who gave an anonymous interview... stating that the Arab fighters "weren't trusted" and the Chechnians were the best. LEADERSHIP keeps these factions together to fight the common enemy. Take out the leadership, and they'll splinter off, allowing time for the Afghan government to HOPEFULLY do something right for a change.

      June 2, 2010 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
  34. John

    We always say we have the "top guy" but they just replace him and the mess continues. This is getting really old without a solution is sight.

    June 2, 2010 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
  35. kbtyger

    The key differences are that the USSR:

    1.) used heavy-handed slaughter of civilians as an intentional strategy;

    2.) actively preached an 'alternative' to Islam (Communism) as part of their formal, regular indoctrination campaign; and

    3.) had a super-power backing their opponent.

    These are not the issues facing NATO forces today.

    June 2, 2010 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Michael

    Great another shadow govenor captured. But is he easy to replace? we just gotta keep up the pressure and hopefully Pakistan can do its part in eradicating the taliban within their boarders since they proven to be a serious threat to their own security. Its rather funny, the taliban originated within Pakistan and for awhile the government thought it would benefit them especially in using these militant groups against India but they turned on the central governemnt. I read before that pakistan might know the locations of the top taliban & al quaeda officials but are afraid that after the war we will just pack up and leave them. well, I hope this gets resolved

    June 2, 2010 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Dan in Lafayette,IN

    What we need to win this war is to have the local population stand up to the Taliban and al-Qaeda and fight against their dream to turn Afghanistan back 1500 years to a strict Islamic state with sharia law that has no compassion or mercy for the sinner! Their an anti-Christ organization which punishes the sinner severely to adhere to their ideology so they can regain power and control over the people and terrorize the population by killing anyone who does not follow their laws that oppress the Afghan people! Jesus came to this world in a time where the Jewish rulers where cruel to the sinners and oppressed them and even removed them from society and if you look at the Taliban they are worse in their punishment of the sinner, where they would publicly kill those who did not follow their laws! God has a place for those who judge and severely punish the sinners when in fact they are worse sinners with all their terror and killings of innocent people just to regain power over the people! They have no future in Gods kingdom and will be thrown into hell for all their atrocities! Again the Afghan people must stand up to those who use terror and killing people to make them comply to their version of Islam which is against God's love for all people!

    June 2, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Steve

    scamdoddi... Hmm how can I say this politely... you're an idiot. As PatrickUSA correctly stated, the difference between the U.S./NATO and the Russians is the difference between night and day. Who cares if the Russians didn't win there, because we're not the Russians and we're fighting an entirely different war with entirely different motives. The Russians were fighting to stay there and fully occupy the country for thousands of years if it could. We're fighting to secure the place and for the most part... leave. To put that in more elementary terms for you... we're fighting to secure the country so that it won't become a haven for terrorists again. I seriously doubt we WANT to stay in Afghanistan longer than we have to. Politically speaking, troops dying in a long war only hurts the President, Congress, and other political players. That's why we don't want to stay there any longer than we have to. I hope you enjoyed this little history lesson.

    As for what I stated before, its LOGICAL. The mid to upper level leaders of the Taliban are the facilitators of all the b.s. and violence that goes on over there. They're running a shadow government that seeks to compete with the centralized NATO-backed Afghan government. There are probably thousands of Taliban fighters, but maybe just a few hundred "leaders" such as shadow governors and military combatant leaders. Take those types out, and the thousands of fighters would lay down their arms quicker than some jirga would make them do. It's easier said than done, but it can be done if we stepped up our intelligence and special forces in the area.

    June 2, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Carol

    Learn your history before you preach!

    June 2, 2010 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Rob

    Hey scamdoddi ... suggest you take up knitting as Carol has demonstrated a higher intelect than yourself.

    June 2, 2010 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
  41. scamdoddi

    Hey Carol ..go back ta yer knitting and leave politics to they men..

    June 2, 2010 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
    • PatrickUSA

      You don't sound like much of a man to me.

      June 2, 2010 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Carol

    The Taliban defeated the Russians with the help of the U.S.

    June 2, 2010 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Daniel-2

      Actually,nobody defeated the Russians in Afghanistan.In 1988,Mikhail Gorbachev made a unilateral decision to phase them out withn 12 months and left the Afghan Communists pretty much to fend for themselves.

      June 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • MaryM


      That is a political win for the taliban.

      June 3, 2010 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
  43. scamdoddi

    Cut the head off the snake..huh "Hey Steve"..wheres your head at man? If the russians could'nt beat these guys in the 10 years .The russians lost 50,000 men.This war can't be won.If you think Uncle Sam can beat these guys..your an Idiot!

    June 2, 2010 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
    • PatrickUSA

      The differences between the Russian and the U.S. experiences in Afghanistan are like night and day. They were beaten with our help but there are no major powers to help the Taliban. The Russians targeted civilians in masse while the U.S. targets only Taliban leaders and soldiers. Our troops keep making mistakes but they are becoming profficient at killing Taliban and Al Queda only. Now it is the Taliban that is intentionally targeting civilians and because of that much of the population has turned against them. What we need now is to stay there until the job is done. In fact, the main problem with getting Karzai and Pakistan to go along with us whole-heartedly is their fear that we will be leaving next year and leaving them to fight the Taliban alone. For that reason they want to keep the option open to negotiate with them. We need to stay there like we did in Korea, until the Taliban is beaten or at least until Pakistan and Afghanistan are able to keep them in check without our help. That will take time, and time is on our side. Unlike when the world came to Afghanistan's aid to drive the Russians out, this time the world is on our side, even the Muslim world, who see Al Queda and the Taliban as threats to their governments.

      June 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        Do you honestly believe that right-wing mumbo-jumbo??? Somehow I don't believe that there is that much of a difference between the Russians and NATO forces.Both kill civilians,but the right-wing fanatics don't want us to know that.

        June 2, 2010 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ryan

        @Daniel 2 you are an anti-USA communist idiot if you are suggesting the the USA actively targets civilians in wars. That is outrageous do u realize what our soliders do for us, yes they make mistakes but im pretty damn sure if you were stuck in a hostile terriory and have seen your comrades killed by the Tablian in cold-blood then you might be a little bit less inclinded to make sure they're Tablian but you wouldn't know because your just one of the millions of spolied Amercians who whines all day about the gov't but won't look into your claims and whose safety you owe to our men and women in uniform

        June 3, 2010 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Jerry

        Daniel-2, There is one thing the Russian did not have that is Drones, they make a big difference.

        June 3, 2010 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette,IN

        Daniel -2 , why don't you go to Afghanistan or Pakistan and support the Taliban to regain power in Afghanistan seeing that you do not support our troops! Maybe you would enjoy strapping on a bomb to kill as innocent people as possible! It seems your love is far greater for the Taliban that of the coalition forces trying to free Afghanistan from Islamic terror!

        June 5, 2010 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Steve

    This is a good thing. In my opinion, the quickest way to end this war is to take out the leaders of the Taliban and Al Quieda. Cut the head off of the snake, and the body (the lower level foot soldiers) will disperse and integrate back into society. It's the leaders like this shadow Governor and the Al Quieda number 3 that died recently... those guys are the ones who give guidance and order the lower level people to keep going.

    June 2, 2010 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
    • evenhead

      wish it were that easy, but the problem is that the economy is so bad over there that it's more profitable to join the Taleban, not necessarily because they believe in what the Taleban is about. So even if you do take out some of the heads someone else will step into the position, the only advantage in taking out the heads is that it disorganizes them.

      June 2, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • MaryM

      I have to agree with evenhead. The insurgency and terrorist organizations are set up to withstand the head cutting. It's not like fighting the traditional enemy. We need to show the people there is a better way of life for them and it's more profitable to be peaceful. Only then can we stop Al Qaida and the Talibam.

      June 3, 2010 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
      • ChrisC

        What everyone needs to understand, accept, and ACT on is the simple fact that we're not going to change their culture/society. They've been at odds for hundreds of years and will be at odds for hundreds more. They've all already been shown a better way of life and yet they still choose to remain undeterred and focussed on "their way".

        I say leave them alone to fend for themselves as they've done FOREVER already. If they choose to off each other daily, GREAT.. let them. If they choose to overthrow each other.. GREAT let them. I'm just SOOO tired of watching our country being dragged through the middle of situations they have no business being involved in.

        June 14, 2010 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      I don't think you understand. Al Quieda and the Taliban are like anextremely well oiled machine. If Osama is killed another will rise to fill his void., and so on and so forth.

      June 3, 2010 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      This war will truly end when Obama or the congress actually declares war on the Taliban. That is what is missing.
      Everybody keeps calling this a war, except a decloration of war has NOT been approved. When they do that then the rules of engagement will change, and the war will be over with in a week, otherwise its just another Vietnam. The reason our this weak administration went after the Taliban in Afganistan without declaring war was to not make the liberal sissies mad and lose votes. At the expense of American lives.
      With this many weak progressive politians in control and weak Americans screeming socialism and peace, we can't win.
      Its like what Ex Navy seals Marcus Lutrell said, "if the liberal politicians would get out of the way the war would be over in a week".
      For some strange reason, Americans think these crazies that want us dead will just go away if we Americans will be nice. Bull-hockey. All they would like to do to us, is what they already do to their women. Americans appear to be working over time trying to become like them and promoting Muslim values. What the heck is wrong with you Americans.

      Think about it. Does anybody with a brain actually think the Taliban or any of those regimes actually can hold a candle to our supperior fire power?....really?
      Does the Taliban have better technology, better planes, better training, better intelligence, better equipment? Good lord people, we are just a police force right now. The American spirit and determination left during the 60's and we still have our heads up our bu**s.

      Fight like our forefathers did dangit and end the insanity. Man up Americans, and quit being sissies.

      June 4, 2010 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      I think a lot of you are really underestimating "leadership" in terrorist groups. I don't think its as easy as you say for someone to step in and be the "leader" of a particular cell or group. These people are not God, and believe it or not... they have flaws too. If you take out enough of them (especially in a short period of time), disorganization will ensue.

      June 5, 2010 at 1:33 am | Report abuse |
  45. Charlie Kirkpatrick

    Hello World. Let us not become complacent and be in denial of the critical state of human relations around the world today. For our children, ...for ourselves and for future generations, let us make world peace a reality now. We don’t have one minute to loose as the future of life on earth is in jeopardy!

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    Best Regards,
    Charlie Kirkpatrick

    June 2, 2010 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
    • EOD8

      Love your enthusiasm and I wish the world worked that way. But good people sleep well at night because rough men stand gaurd waiting to do violence on their behalf. Until then...support those sheepdogs who protect you from the wolves.

      June 2, 2010 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lorri


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      • Bob

        Thank you for pointing that out. Seems people forget.

        June 6, 2010 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Marla Ross


      June 2, 2010 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • election loser

        election loser! πŸ™

        June 3, 2010 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
      • BUSY BODIE

        stop hating on the president it the united states period we just love to fight if were not fighting the some picks a fight with us to fight .damn why hate someone for trying to resolve issues not starting issues.

        June 3, 2010 at 5:31 am | Report abuse |
      • Ryan

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        June 3, 2010 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
      • Andrew

        That is probably the smartest thing I've heard this entire week. He hasn't changed our country a d–n bit. And the ideas he pose are crap and leading us to a socialist government more than anything. Has spent more money on industries that exploit the shames of the average American rather than spend the money on something that can truly help us.

        June 3, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • ImNoExpert

        @ Andrew:

        Socialism is when the state controls the primary means of production in the economy i.e. whole industries.

        Making cash injections into the economy and bailing out/nationalizing private companies that threaten to tank the economy if they fail as a last resort can only be described as left-wing liberalism, not socialism (as opposed to right wing liberalism, which is what Republicans favor. Same ideology, different methodology) .

        June 7, 2010 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • ks

      The people you talk about are the same ones who kill and murder locals and US troops daily. The tailban need to be brought to justice the same way Sadam Hussein was. You would definitely think different if you lost a son, daughter, or spouse in the war. Sleep well tonight dreaming of world peace as a soldier saves your butt from the enemy and allows you the freedom you have to say what you think. If you think they need to be brought to the table then, take your butt over there and try to have a sit down dinner with them. ISee what happens to you. I think they need should get the punishment they deserve !!

      June 3, 2010 at 4:43 am | Report abuse |
      • Joey Tx

        Oh Shut up already about fighting for and saving me or freedom. If you believe that croc, you've been sold down the river. the only legitimate war the US ever fought was WWII. Since then blood thirsty tyrants have run this country resorted to war to distract from their poor leadership. Only time reveals the truth as we continue to find out about Vietnam and so on. No question we should have invaded Afghanistan, what was the Iraq detour about. Saddam a tyrant? True, we have many of them here in the USA why don't we get them first? Get your knucke head in order and see what's happening here. $10b a month and you wander why we are in debt? Foolish.

        June 15, 2010 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • melissa D

      World peace is always going to be non existant and the same people who believe in it are the same ones who are aiding the tailiban teaching and giving them first aid. Do you honestly believe that if they came across an injured US Soldier they would give them first aid and bring them back to health. Ridiculous. Look at this video about all the soldiers who have died for your freedom and keep preaching and praying about world peace while I keep praying that my husband is safe every night and day fighting to give someone else a better life. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/war.casualties/index.html
      I believe the Tailiban should pay for what they have done to the locals,governement, and land, and especially our soldiers, who make it possible for you to have the freedoms you have. Instead of world peace, I hope the taliban gets what they deserve, death and to burn in hell for eternity.

      June 3, 2010 at 5:02 am | Report abuse |
      • Former Marine

        My old Colonel said it the best, and I'll tell you exactly what he told me.
        "Marine, think about the Marines like this. You have 100% job security in this field. Your job is never going to go away. Because someone, somewhere, is out there thinking of how he or she can screw stuff up worse than the way it is. Normally, that wouldn't be a problem, but then they get 4 to 5 thousand followers to believe the same way, and then they send us in to clean up their mess. In short Marine, you'll always have a job, because someone out there will always need to be killed." Now I won't cite his name or anything, but he's right. And worst off is, has long as humans are on this planet, there will always be a war, or conflict, or battle, or some kind of hostilities that will force young men and women to do some of the most unthinkable acts in the name of "Justice" and "Peace."

        June 3, 2010 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      World peace will only happen when the crazies that want to kill us are wiped out.

      Only then.

      June 4, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • E.T.

      Well maybe thjey should cut off his head and mail it to Rush Limbrain, that way he can blame President Obama !

      June 7, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |