May 31st, 2010
08:30 AM ET

Canadian commander in Afghanistan out

The chief of the Canadian forces in Afghanistan has been relieved of duty following allegations of an inappropriate relationship, the country's military said.

The Canadian military has a strict non-fraternization policy. And Brig. Gen. Daniel Menard's alleged relationship caused the military to "lose confidence" in his ability to command, the National Defence and the Canadian Forces said in a statement late Saturday.

The military said it will not release additional details about the allegations, but that it had launched an investigation.

For now, the military has appointed Col. Simon Hetherington, the current deputy-commander, to lead the 2,800 Canadian soldiers in the country.

On Tuesday, Menard was fined $3,345 - the stiffest fine ever levied on a Canadian soldier for mishandling a weapon, CNN affiliate CBC said.

Menard was boarding a helicopter at Kandahar Airfield in southern Afghanistan on March 25 when he said his rifle accidentally went off while he was was loading it.

No one was hurt in the incident. But Menard faced a court martial in western Quebec, where he pleaded guilt to accidentally discharging a weapon.

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  1. Frank Rizzo

    Some say he was involved with a local women who cares let him a little fun.

    June 3, 2010 at 4:12 am | Report abuse |
  2. Paul is special

    Get a life, man. 'Nuff said.

    June 2, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Paul

    To Hahaha: Then what alliance was he talking about because he only mentioned"NATO".

    June 2, 2010 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hahaha

      To Paul:
      The statement you are referring to was-
      "The deal with being a NATO Ally is that a country is bound by treaty to help protect their ally."
      He used this argument to support his overall idea that Canada should continue their support for Afghanistan.

      This all happened because of what Daniel-2 said in his post-
      "What the Canadians need to do is get their forces out of Afghanistan as soon as possible"

      Now what happened was Bill C (a total tool) misinterpreted what Phil said... which started this huge WWII blah blah... America is stupid blah blah... Canada sucks blah blah... argument.

      All because many of you don’t know how to read or follow a thought on a forum... you all fail. Please go away.

      June 3, 2010 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hahaha

      Further more...
      Not once did he ever write:
      America was in WWII before Canada.
      That NATO was the alliance during WWII
      That Canada had no part in repelling Nazi Germany
      Nor did he say anything about Israel

      All that was cause because no one actually read what he wrote.

      June 3, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hahaha

      I’m sorry Paul I didn’t really answer your question.
      Question"
      "Then what alliance was he talking about because he only mentioned "NATO"."
      Answer:
      He was talking about the alliance that we had during WWII that help defeat Germany. For some reason you really got hung up on NATO... even though when he wrote "NATO" it was directed at something totally different. You really just need to let it go... deep down you know I’m right.

      June 3, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Paul

    To Hahaha, When he said "The alliance worked pretty well in WWII" I think he was talking about NATO which did not exist at that time. Learn your facts Buddy.

    June 2, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Gracie

    Folks,

    What does Afganistan have to do with WW2 and visa versa? What matters is it was ill conceived and carreid out. I agree not all Afgani's are Taliban, but who are we to determine what form of government they are to have? Democracy is not for everyone, it takes a certain level of social and fiscal stability before it can work. While I would not want Canada or the US to have any other form of government, neither is perfect nor a true democracy. I agree we need to leave Afganistan as well as Iraq and let them sort out their own problems. Will the Taliban regain power? Perhaps? Will there be a series of regional overlords? Probably. It's what they know. Will another Sadam Hussein rise in Iraq. More than likely. That is the problem of the Iraqi people to deal with. Not the outside world. It's like folks ringing their hands over the plight of women in Islamic countries having no rights. There was a time when women in the US had no rights, either, but we fought for them ourselves . . . our great grandmothers, grandmothers and mothers. If others want freedom and equality, fight for them and don't expect others to do the dirty work for you.

    June 2, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Paul

    To Bobby from Cincinnati, would like to say that you are wrong. Because William lyon mackenzie king prime minister of Canada during ww2, Actually declared war on September .9th 1939. The same time England declared against Nazi Germany.

    June 2, 2010 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bobby from Cincinnati

      It's semantics. Canada was let go by the British Empire in 1935 (canadian independence was given not faught for) – only 4 years before the "declaration of war" was made by Britain. Britian was first to declare war before Canada however – and yes I know this. The point I was making is that all the former British Colonies – Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand helped mother Britain before formal declarations of war were made.

      June 2, 2010 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bobby from Cincinnati

      Britain Declared War on Nazi Germany 03 Sept 1939. As stated before, my comments are sound and truthful. I am a History Professor and you are clearly not.

      June 2, 2010 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Matt

    A just war isn't always winable or wise. If it takes 50 years to win is it worth it?
    Read a history of afghanistan to understand the strategic difficulties there before spewing an opinion on what you know not. It is a good idea to read from many sources because most (including some of the most trusted) are full of lies, spin and good old fashioned propaganda. Only by reading from many different sources can one deduce what might be the truth (hopefully).

    June 1, 2010 at 11:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hahaha

      An unjust war isn’t always losable. They could change their approach, and go for total annihilation. But boo on me for even considering that option. That method of conquering hasn’t been used in a long time... but for all of you who has considered how to actually win this thing... I’m sure this crossed your mind.

      June 2, 2010 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
  8. Paul

    This is nothing new. Because didn't Dwight D. Eisenhower have an affair too! In England during ww2. So Daniel Menard isn't the first to do this.

    June 1, 2010 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
  9. SNIPER1

    read

    The chief of the Canadian forces in Afghanistan has been relieved of duty following allegations of an inappropriate relationship.

    Menard was boarding a helicopter at Kandahar Airfield in southern Afghanistan on March 25 when he said his rifle accidentally went off while he was was loading it.

    June 1, 2010 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Hahaha

    I don’t see why so many of you got upset by what Phil stated...
    He used WWII as an example to support his claim that "Alliances" are worth it. Now his statement about Canada speaking German might of ruffled a few feathers, but honestly let it go.

    June 1, 2010 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Bob

    Hank: Goon on ya for getting back on track. Yes, he was sacked, but there has been little or no information about :"the bridge incident" some time ago. See: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/06/michael-yons-war/57483/

    June 1, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      Uh, read: "GOOD on ya", (typo).

      June 1, 2010 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
  12. AP

    Phil, get on to You Tube and watch a film entilled "Tom Brokaw Explains Canada to Americans" you will benefit from the four minute investment. In the meantime, this is about a General who broke military protocol and has nothing to do with the politics of allies being in Afganistan. That we can debate Pro and Con until we are blue in the face which is a utility in life we should all be very happy to have. The scarifice of few for so many pays homage to this, American and Canadian alike amongst others.

    June 1, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
  13. canadafirstaid

    Canadian Military Investigators will be looking for the stained 'blue' dress on this one!!! As for the accidental "shots" fired incidental – I figure he (Menard) was likely under close survillence (by Cdn. Military Investigators) following that number – which led to him (and her) getting caught with their pants down. Meanwhile, the taliban are on a roll – because we (US and Canada) will inflict more injuries on ourselves then the ever could. Time to close the book on this silly WAR! CFA

    June 1, 2010 at 11:10 am | Report abuse |
  14. AJ

    The last I knew Canada and the US were apart of North America. We all have have defended our freedom in some way, shape, or form. My brother is there in the middle of it. My other 2 brothers have been and will be back. I will end up there soon. Remember, everyone in Canada and the US signed that piece of paper that said that we would do this....so shut up...OH and about the fraternizing.....unless he assaulted her then who cares.

    June 1, 2010 at 8:12 am | Report abuse |
  15. schenzez

    well well well ....
    Now a day's . The new era of humanity is different . Battle was not a good solution for a conflict . For those army who sacrifice their life's in the war , they truly a heroes , but dont we forget , what have they did is it meaning full for the future ! The answer is no . Nothing change , in fact more serious than before .

    June 1, 2010 at 6:47 am | Report abuse |
  16. cindy

    Phil is a hero man in the world but no one equally him.

    May 31, 2010 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
  17. canam

    Phil has some truth ... WWII would not have been one without America, so stop bashing. The war was doing badly, and America was being courted by Churchill to join. When it did, the war benefited from the troops, and the resources. The war was badly in need of the new blood. Anyhow, today is remembering the fallen. Respect them today; you can squabble like women tomorrow.

    May 31, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • laddie

      Please. The fact of the matter was that the Germans were doomed from the beginning (inept leadership, scarce resources, and crap allies). There was literally no way that they could have won WWII and that is for one reason...The USSR.

      The United States' involvement may have ended the war sooner and ameliorated the conditions of the besieged British but you can't win a land war in Asia against the Ruskies.

      June 2, 2010 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        I beg to differ. I don't think the Germans would have "won" the war... but I don't think they would have lost, either. I truly believe the war would have went on for many more years, probably ending in some kind of stalemate treaty if America didn't become involved. America played a more central role than you are giving them credit for. A "2nd front" would have NEVER been possible if not for America and their troops/endless reserves of supplies pouring into the front. Nor would a victory in North Africa and Sicily have been possible. Also remember all of the bombings that severely disrupted German industry, communication, and transportation routes.

        No America would have meant the Germans could focus more resources on the Eastern front. I don't think the Russians would have gained the momentum that they did if America wasn't in the war (Look up the Battle of Kursk and the premature ending because Hitler withdrew the forces to deal with the American-lead invasion of Sicily).

        June 3, 2010 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
  18. David

    Yer al a bunch of maroons. Jeez

    May 31, 2010 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Squidly

    Today It was anounced that Syria is helping North Korea Build its nuke program.Syria was the nationality of the terrorists that flew planes in 9/11,But yet they still took out (Sadam)and continue to fight a war in the wrong country.Now with tensions in Korea and America near broke(we can borrow money from China to help fund a war that will give them millions of refuges crossing their border ,but I do not think they will let us...they might cut all our products from Walmart) .Mind You it will be interesting to see where they get the money from to clean up the Oil spill.Perhaps they can even find the money to clean up Katrina(one day) ...if Obama really even cares.

    May 31, 2010 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  20. tony

    Hi

    Where all in this together Canada, USA etc. Our father fought to have a place where we could live and work without fear and in Canada and the US we have that sure we have our differences but in the end there are a lot of Canadians and American who are related.............in your presidents brother in law a Canadian

    Small world

    May 31, 2010 at 6:18 pm | Report abuse |
  21. BobbyCincyPt2

    The semantics of official governmental declarations of war are irrelevant. History has proven – especially with American military exercises (and other foreign militaries) – that the actions of the President of the United States (and/or other heads of state) are far more consequential in military affairs than anything Congress (and/or other nation's legislative bodies) declare or "do."

    May 31, 2010 at 5:09 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Bobby from Cincinnati (part 1)

    Let's not point fingers like politicians and oil executives. The fact of the matter is the former colonies of the British Empire (i.e. United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) all helped mother Britain out in her hour of desperate need from eminent Nazi takeover. All of her former colonies diverted crucial and significant human and industrial resources to aid mother Britain well before official "governmental declaration of war" was announced by any of the former British colonies. Winston Churchill's amazing poise and diplomacy along with his priceless friendship with President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (who convinced our isolationist Congress to help Britain) and stunning coalition military strategy devised under these two leaders (and their generals) that allowed D-Day to prevail against the tyranny of Adolf Hitler.

    May 31, 2010 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
  23. andre

    phil phil phil ,
    Kistory is not or was not your best course at school.
    Get back on school bench you need it fasttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. idiot

    May 31, 2010 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Phil Is Stupid

    World War 2 has nothing to do with this, you Phil, are ignorant. Canada fought in WW2 from the beginning, America came in two years later. We took our own beaches on D-Day, we liberated Holland and parts of France, not once did the German Army threaten Canadian territory. NATO didn't even exist in WW2, it was formed in 1949 four years after the war concluded. Don't speak unless you know what you are speaking about.

    May 31, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • NYCNakedSiren

      Phil is not stupid, he's just been told a lot of myths....to make people like him feel like they were gonna be big heroes for the entire world. Sort of like how a team preps to win a game. Americans need to learn outside (aka "the world") that heroism is not as intelligent as creative co-problemsolving. For example, even the al Quada dwell on being their own "heroes" to their own country-parts. It's an exciting world when we get to use our brains instead of just fables and fairytale self-admiration.

      May 31, 2010 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hahaha

      Understand this... he used WWII to support his statement that "Alliances" are worth it, even if they have some unfortunate downsides.

      June 1, 2010 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hahaha

      You don’t know what you’re talking about... fact.

      Do they teach reading comprehension in Canada?

      June 2, 2010 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
      • laddie

        Why do you keep writing "fact"? You come off like an idiot when you do that.

        June 2, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Hahaha

        A four letter word used at the end of a statement makes me look like an idiot. You could attack me on sooo many differant levels... the fact that I use "..." instead of just ending my sentence with a period makes me look like an idiot.

        June 2, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • muttley2

        do yourself a favor; look up the definition of"fact"

        June 3, 2010 at 12:30 am | Report abuse |
      • Hahaha

        Of course I know what fact means...
        FACT is a British bi-monthly music and youth culture magazine founded in 2003.
        Congrats... tool.

        June 3, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Bruno Parisien

    Come on what do you expect the guy not made of wood this guy need a longer switch 😉

    May 31, 2010 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
  26. Daniel-2

    What the Canadians need to do is get their forces out of Afghanistan as soon as possible and maybe other countries may follow suit and hopefully shorten this obnoxious war.

    May 31, 2010 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Pinche Chango

      Daniel-2, let's use your head here. Pulling out of the country like that would create a power vacuum.

      Regardless of your political thoughts on the rationale behind the way you have to think of these things called "repurcussions"

      May 31, 2010 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Daniel-2 is right. Leave now or later but it won't change the outcome of the war. It's not winnable, and it's not sustainable. The Taliban believe their value systems are right. We believe ours are right. Even so, would we leave our homeland if another ideology invaded and forced us to change? Hardly. They will stay and wait because there is nowhere else to go. Right or wrong, it's their history. Foreign nations cannot afford to stay in Afghanistan so this will end as it started and disappear into the sad, long list of failed occupations. We want to believe the political spin about 'winning' in Afghanistan because if we fail our version of morality fails, and that of course is unacceptable. If our world views can't win, what happens to us? The Taliban are a brutish, stone-age piece of work. Which is exactly why we can't beat them in their own land; somewhere else maybe, but not there. In a few years of more death and stalemate we will spin our way out, and we will justify our world view for the time, money and lost lives all the way into the history books. And the Taliban will return.

      June 1, 2010 at 2:31 am | Report abuse |
      • Chris

        Paul,

        You are making a huge assumption that everyone in Afghanistan is a Taliban and/or holds the same values as them. The truth is that people like you almost kept our country out of world war 2 until it was too late. We are in a global war, not just a war in that one country and to let the opposition gain a victory and a base of operations in Afghanistan will only cause us more lives in the long run. You need to look at the big picture and drop the psycho bull you are spewing.

        June 1, 2010 at 9:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Taebochick

      Canadians have a withdrawal date and will be out within a couple years. Is a good thing. We completed our commitment. Bring the soldiers home so they can enjoy our great economy that didn't fall prey to the global economic situation. Life is good here in Canada.

      June 3, 2010 at 7:09 am | Report abuse |
    • doctorrecon

      I say instead of bombs we drop McDonalds. You could build a McD's for the same price as a tomahawk missle. Start importing that new Angus mushroom and swiss burger and heck after 10 years of this war, if we had started with the McDonalds most of the Taliban would be to fat to fight.
      Step 1 Build McDonalds,KFC, Taco Bell, Buffets
      Step 2. Amnesty for Angus- Turn is an Ak-47 get 2 mushroom and swiss burgers, A grenade get a triple 1/4lb cheese
      Step 3. Lots and lots of soda. Airdrop in solarpowered pepsi machines.
      Done, would have definately taken 10yrs to turn hardened freedom fighters into fat lazy slobs.

      June 3, 2010 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
      • b-love

        HAHAHAHA!!! My boyfriend in in Afghanistan right now and i can say that has to be the funniest and smartest thing anyine has said about this war!! BRILLIANT!!

        June 4, 2010 at 10:19 pm | Report abuse |