May 14th, 2010
08:05 AM ET

Afghan official: Troops killed civilians

KABUL, Afghanistan - A local Afghan leader says coalition forces shot and killed civilians on Thursday night, a claim disputed by the NATO-led force in Afghanistan.

Nasrutullah Arsala, head of the provincial council of Nangahar province, told CNN on Friday that troops killed nine civilians in Kushkak, a village in the Surkh Rod district of Nangahar, in eastern Afghanistan.

The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force said Afghan and international troops traded fire with insurgents during an operation in Surkh Rod that left a Taliban sub-commander and other militants dead. The NATO-led command says evidence shows that civilians were not killed.

News of possible civilian casualties enraged locals. They staged a demonstration and tried to enter the district governor's compound. Police confronting the protesters shot and killed two civilians, Arsala said.

Civilian deaths during military operations in Afghanistan have undermined the coalition's efforts to gain support among the Afghan people. The United States and other coalition countries have been working to avoid such casualties.


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  1. Jester

    I think all what people want is this drama to end as soon as possible. US or Taliban or Karzai CO. All of them are the bad guys, and there is no difference between them. If only one who is getting effected is the civilian population.

    May 17, 2010 at 6:49 am | Report abuse |
  2. two-monsterous-nuclear-stockpiles

    dont we all know by now that the september 11th attacks were cause by the united states government as an excuse to go in afghanistan and extract all of its rich resources. do you really think politicians care who they kill. politics is nothing more than a business. more and more people will die, and will continue to die as long as the u.s. and nato are doing the killing.. shouldnt we be focusing on clean energy rather than an onslaught of innocent people for oil...

    May 17, 2010 at 4:31 am | Report abuse |
  3. marianno

    It is difficult to avoid civilian casualties when a war is going. Collateral damage is part modern wars.
    Just hope the conflict in Afghanistan winds up quickly.

    May 17, 2010 at 2:13 am | Report abuse |
  4. Jerky

    It's amazing how brainwashed the US military is. There is zero compelling interest for the United States to continue to be in Afghanistan. We are not "fighting then over there". Anyone who claims that is entirely full of crap. In case you haven't noticed, they already are "here" and during the last 9 years we have succeeded in boosting their membership worldwide as a result of our indiscriminate killing of civilians. Using that logic, we should be simultaneously fighting in Somalia, NIgeria, Sudan, Yemen, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia, Morocco, Algeria, and Egypt. It's been 9 years and we've failed to destroy the Al Qaeda leadership, we've failed to defeat the Taliban, we've failed to tranform that country into anything except a single westernized city surrounded by an entire country of no-man's land. It's time to cut our losses and leave. No amount of further military BS is going to change the situation if we couldn't do it in NINE YEARS! We are spending more per year than several times the entire GDP of Aghanistan! That is complete insanity.

    May 17, 2010 at 1:06 am | Report abuse |
  5. Becket

    Texan76
    You have serious issues!

    May 17, 2010 at 1:03 am | Report abuse |
  6. Becket

    Why doesn't the US get out of Afghanistan? We would not discuss this issue. I haven’t heard of Afghans killing US civilians in the States.

    May 17, 2010 at 12:59 am | Report abuse |
  7. abdelaah bin abeullea

    "If the innocent civilians want this to stop, they need to point out who the Taliban fighters are"
    "victim of democrat hypocrisy – Why don't these same people protest when the Taliban execute civilians?"
    ??? – So, the US army of murderers is supported by a nation of Ruthless Sub-Human individuals who would rationalize ANY killing of innocents in Afghanstan or Iraq. Not sure how these people can sleep at night or go through life (I guess them as well as the meida that help the coverup everyday can go like this for years till they realize one day one their detah beds how much blood of afghan and iraqi women and children is on their hands!!!) . The brave Afghan fighters are not less by any standards than any patriotic gurrellas against invanders throughout history whatever you or the barbaric US army wants to call them, somehow they taught the US a lesson that it will never forget!!
    Don't think CNN will post it – just want to prove that frredom of speech is a myth.

    May 17, 2010 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
  8. Erik G

    I fear this is not going to end well. We've fallen into the same trap that was set for the Soviets. The object of guerrilla warfare is to avoid exposing your forces to the strengths of your enemies and survive while driving up the cost of occupation. The Taliban have successfully done that. They have turned what was a military problem into a political problem, and for us, politics is much harder for our forces to deal with.

    May 16, 2010 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Texan76

    Ok, this is for all you sheeple out there that comment on what you think you know about what ouyr military does in Afghanistan. We (Military) dont just roll into a village and just kill everyone that we see. If you think that is what we do, feel free to come over to Afghan and see for your self. Stop believing what you hear on the news. I am tired of reading about how Americans dont think that we shouldn't be in Afghan and how we are so oppresive to the Afghan people. We are more polite and more respectful of their ways and culture than the Taliban. We dont burn little girls with acid for wanting to get an education. And for Smith in Oregon. Dont just regurgitate headlines from the news. Look into the news and think for yourself. Dont just go blindly talking about what you think is the truth just because it was something you read. If you were that passionate about the atricities that America is commiting in Afghanistan, go there and try to hold rallies and protests. But cowards like you are the reason why me and my childern will always stand up for whats right while you and your childern will watch me and my family die on TV and call us war mongers... To quote Teddy roosevelt It's alittl long but well worth the time spent to read it. "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

    May 16, 2010 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom

      Love and respect to my brother in arms. I am retired Army Recon, and I know the middle east battlefields. I however believe we should pull out of Afghanistan now, immediately. That country, it's people, and it's future are not worth one of my military brothers & sisters lives. We could stay a hundred years and they would still be killing each other over tribal fueds that began a thousand years ago. It is stupid arrogance to think we can show up with our concept of democracy, and change a culture that has existed in it's presnet fashion for thousands of years. In the end it must be the people of Afghanistan who chart their own course for the future, not us.

      May 18, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Georgia Goad

    As I drive to work tomorrow morning, I will be thankful that I don't have to be afraid to turn down this street or that street, wondering if I will be shot at or blown up and for that I am so very grateful. If any one of our men and women in a foreign nation for our sakes, trying to keep us safe, see this, please stay safe. As for me and mine, we will keep you in our prayers. As so many have pointed out to us, this is a different kind of war, not in the Pacific with air craft carriers, flying fortresses, but a daily face to face fight for survival. Keep your neck on the swivel and watch your six....GeeGee

    May 16, 2010 at 10:02 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Georgia Goad

    Oh, sorry about my typos, my little grandbaby tried to help....g g

    May 16, 2010 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Georgia Goad

    Here it is Sunday night, May 16, 2010 and we are still fighting the war on our computers. Wouldn't it be great if we could fight wars just with words instead of bullets? I have read so many more opinons and comments, even those from the ones that probably identify with the Taliban, Obama, etc. Wording gives you guys and women away. What does this do for you guys, Dan, Sgt, all the other ones taking part in our parlay? What if we were able to get all our soldiers,men and women, bring them home...no war anywhere, closed our borders to all newcomers, send those who came to the United States looking for a new and safer way of life back out of our borders because they "look like" a middle eastern, a muslim, or any type of person someone doesn't approve of or someone thinks looks like a possible enemy!!!! Now would that be a solution? We already know there are enemy training camps in my state...but what do they look like? In our armed forces, all of them, there are white faces, black faces, faces with slanted eyes, black hair, blonde or red hair, which one of these should we mistrust? They are all fighting for the same thing, us, you and I... All of these creeds, races of all kinds love the United States, and are willing to fight for us, you and I... We cannot be an encapsulated nation and not take the risk of our borders being raided as other nations have. The former servicemen and present servicemen reading the comments made regarding this armchair meeting of the minds know darned well what they are talking about and until all of you naysayers have been in the boots of even one of these guys, keep your blasted mouth shut if you are going to knock the very country you are sitting in right now....Get up off your a_ _ and look around you, You are still in the greatest country in the world, mistakes or no mistakes, we are doing the best we can until a higher power shows us a better way. Once again, Semper Fi, God bless us all....GeeGee

    May 16, 2010 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Dan in Lafayette,IN

    Yea right Daniel-2, like these extremists want peace. All they want is death to our freedoms and Christian way of life which these extremists of Islam believes will overpower and rule with their strict Islamic laws. What then will you be demanding for, Daniel-2?

    May 16, 2010 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Wilborn

    It would be interesting to find out how many civilians have been killed by the Taliban during the same period of time and reporting. I have NEVER heard of or seen a war in which civilian did not get killed EVER. It is unfortunate, but the way wars are fought, it happens and will continue to happen as long as the enemy can not be distinguished from the civilian population. Even when they could (like in World War II) there were civilians killed on both sides.

    May 16, 2010 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Daniel-2

    @I am with stupid.Quite well put.I just hope that you're right about the right-wing media's inability to drum up support among the people to support these obscene wars.Maybe if the people would stop believing in all this right-wing mumbo-jumbo about what a good thing war is,they might come to their senses and see the light and demand peace.

    May 16, 2010 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

    It is impossible to know what is REALLY happening in Afghanistan and, it reality, it does not matter much one way or another.Civilian casualties are inevitable in a situation (we remember Vietnam) when there is no way to distinguish between insurgents, their active or passive supporters. Only children below the age of 10 or so are the 'true' civilians.

    This war started upon reasonable assumptions (Taliban was the host of 9/11 terrorists) has evolved in a completely needless waste of American and local lives, to say nothing about the billions it costs us. NO SECURITY of our country is threatened there. It is, however, in Pakistan. 'Defeating' the Afghanistan Taliban will have absolutely no effect on it.

    My proposal: encourage Karzai to make a deal with Taliban there and withdraw completely witthin a year. Afghans will have to decide what they really want to do.

    News like this should probably be published to demonstrate that many Afghans are never going to like us no matter what we do. Conquerors since Alexander the Great have known it for millenia. No news, indeed.

    May 16, 2010 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Dan in Lafayette,IN

    So we should have left the Taliban in control so they could have terrorists training camps where they could plan and carry out attacks on the western world. The Taliban are also terrorists because they used it on their own people when they would kill people in public in the name of Allah to terrorize the population into submission so they could retain power and control over their people. Their nothing but murderers and hateful people of anyone who does not follow in their religious beliefs and you onesmallvoice would put up with their murderous campaign as long as they don't bother you. What kind of love do you have for mankind?

    May 16, 2010 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
  18. I am with stupid

    This war was lost before it was even started. Go back in history and you will know why. No amount of media manipulation will change the fact that the public support for this conflict is dwindling. The sad part is it will go on for another decade and then fade away. Dead will be forgotten and everything will go on as usual. Another election same slogans different faces...

    May 16, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
  19. I am with stupid

    This war was lost before it was even started. Go back in history and you will know why. No amount of media manipulation will change the fact that the public support for this conflict is dwindling. The sad part is it will go on for another decade and then fade away. Dead will be forgotten.

    May 16, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Lennybaby

    I noticed that Chuckster blogged at#87 that the Tea Partiers will "inherit" this country.I hate to say it,but I think he's right and that'll mean even more hard times for all of us.The reason I believe this is because of the low I.Q. of the average voters who don't know any better than to vote for the Tea Party candidates.We'll see more military spending and foreign aid givaways with cuts in social programs and education.

    May 16, 2010 at 5:12 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Onesmallvoice

    @Norwegian.Quite well put.We invaded Iraq primarily for it's oil and don't let the right-wing media,the military or anyone else try to kid you with all that bla-bla-bla that we're 'helping the people" over there,especially when they didn't ask us to.

    May 16, 2010 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
  22. stupid tax payer

    WHERE IS THE HEADLINE CIVILIAN aFGHANS KILL COALITION TROOPS IN AMBUSH ??????

    May 16, 2010 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
  23. heehaw

    "war. what is it good for? absolutely NOTHING! say it again"...Edwin Starr

    May 16, 2010 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Fire777

    No doubt that since some of AF's young men can't find jobs, they join the Taliban...they are civilians...you're going to kill civilians...the strange fact is when the Taliban kill innocent civilians, where are the demonstrations? Where is the outrage? No doubt this is a "no win" situation...they want the US...they want our money...not to solve their problems,,,why should we stay...they have been fighting for centuries. Let the "Oil rich" nations finance them...they would be more accepted. More than likely...if we left, there would be a reckoning by the Taliban and more deaths...look at what Iran is doing to their own women...raping them before they put them to death...how honorable! You miserable trash!

    May 16, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Norwegian

    You wanted oil so bad, people. Indeed worth killing for, semper fi in foreign country but rearly the right one.. Now you fill up your own backyard gulf with oil and destroy a huge part of your own country, Thats is godgiven irony.

    May 16, 2010 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Sonic

    I'm currently in Afghanistan and I have not seen many of the things lots of you especulate in your posts.

    Some people say we are here for the money, I would like to know what money? Afghanistan doesn't have enough income to self sustian. US is spending billions of dollars in Afghanistan and I have not seen a single barrel of oil getting out of here to america.

    I may not know all the things that happen backstage with our leadership but I can attest that we are doing lots of good things here, no one told me, I've done it. Many of my brothers in arms have made the ultimate sacrifice while helping innocent people. Many afghans (not all military) have made the ultimate sacrifice helping us.

    Granted there are many things that are going on and are not right, there is greed, corruption like in any other part of the world, war creates the perfect environment for it. But there are a lots of good and noble things; we can focus on one or the other eventhough I believe it would be wiser to look for a balance of both.

    If anyone really wants to know what happens here, take a trip and see it with your own eyes, otherwise, have fun especulating.

    Everyone has the right to think and believe as they see fit. I would like all of you to carefully consider which one you think is the best and where would that decision take you.

    Your world could be what you want it to be........decide

    May 16, 2010 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
  27. awabnavi

    "as much as I hate to admit it that removal of these males" - Do these "males" include those in the US Army and their Civilian Commander in Chief?

    May 16, 2010 at 9:10 am | Report abuse |
  28. ANDREW, Canada

    All americans a crazy.

    May 16, 2010 at 8:51 am | Report abuse |
  29. Daniel-2

    @Anderson Clayton.You said it all!!!

    May 16, 2010 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
  30. Ron

    Awabnavi, There are posts that replied to the genocide. I see one by Amy and one by Kathy however it may not be what you had in mind and although I am a male, I do have to agree with these two women in that most of the problems in the word regarding war and killing is brought on by us males. I have seen that 90% of all violence is by males and they may be on to something as much as I hate to admit it that removal of these males and allowing women to take charge may be the only hope for humans, It sure would be worth a try. Women can not mess things up any more than us males have.

    May 16, 2010 at 8:40 am | Report abuse |
  31. Onesmallvoice

    @awabnavi.Very wekk put.I'm quite frankly surprised that they're letting me blog in here since I'm so against all this right-wing lynch mob mentality and warmongering.Judging by all these right-wing,mean spirited warmongers,there's a lot of ignorance and fanaticism out there and that provides fertile ground for the Tea Party Movement and the Republicans.

    May 16, 2010 at 8:31 am | Report abuse |
  32. awabnavi

    "lets block certain post and let other through" - YEAH! Let's keep out news of the ongoing GENOCIDE and let FALSE news through. GOOD POLICY.

    May 16, 2010 at 8:11 am | Report abuse |
  33. Sam

    Thankfully, we aren't leaving Afghanistan anytime soon, so get used to our presence there. Nobama will be a one-termer, and then maybe we can have a President Romney or Palin or Guiliani. Someone who will IGNORE critics both at home and abroad (instead of pandering to them, as our current spineless President does), and fight for what's right. Republicans in 2012!

    May 16, 2010 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
  34. Anderson Clayton

    IT TIME the American people say NO to this SHAMEFULL TRIGGER HAPPY abuse of foreign nations. If WE STOP meddling, invading, destroying, TORTURING, RAPING, murdering and stealing terrorist will become a thing of the past!
    WE are the ROOT CAUSE of extremism.
    LET’S WAKE UP and STOP THE MASSACRE!

    May 16, 2010 at 6:49 am | Report abuse |
  35. Anderson Clayton

    This is JUST ANOTHER EVENT of MY tax money been used TO MURDER CIVILIANS.
    ENOUTH of my money has been used to ABUSE foreign people. I WANT MY MONEY BACK! I am tired of this IRRESPOSIBLE GOVERNAMENT tainting my hands with INOCENT'S BLOAD!

    May 16, 2010 at 6:44 am | Report abuse |
  36. kathy

    Gotta agree with you there Amy. We need to rid ourself of most of the males who do this stuff. Well in reality, all of the males who do this stuff or the males who harm women and children.

    May 16, 2010 at 5:46 am | Report abuse |
  37. Amy

    Genocide is a viable solution.

    Posted by: Matt

    But ONLY if they use it to eliminate much of the MALE population since 90% of all violent crime is by the males. It would only improve society as a whole. Besides women would than be in control and we can clean up the mess the males have made.

    May 16, 2010 at 4:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Brian from Chicago

      Would you care to restate the same position on the basis of race?

      May 17, 2010 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Matt

    Genocide is a viable solution.

    May 16, 2010 at 4:36 am | Report abuse |
  39. Amy

    Since wars are mostly about males killing males, I think they need to find a way to make sure women and children are not harmed in their wars.

    May 16, 2010 at 3:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Brian from Chicago

      As a male, I find your position a little insulting. But if they could step away from the men with guns, then yes, it would be deeply appreciated.

      May 17, 2010 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
  40. salayem

    I only believe the story if there was a wedding cermony going on. That is where the american army are best at.

    May 16, 2010 at 3:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Brian from Chicago

      Sorry, the whole "let's all start shooting at once" thing catches us off-guard.

      May 17, 2010 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Peyote

    All wars are fought with some financial incentive involved. Look at history with an unbiased view and you can see the truth. The media and governments involved rely on a group of controlled opposition to believe that what they are doing is justified. Without this group riots and revolts would prevent the unjust plunder of foreign resources. This war is no different. This war is fought as a last ditch effort to steal some money before the creditors come calling

    May 16, 2010 at 3:09 am | Report abuse |
  42. General Dr Bad.

    Oh such experts on everything, yet I do not see any of you solving anything.
    There is no excuse for the civilians killed in this war.
    There is no excuse for the Deaths and mamiings of all these Troops.
    Thew only justification you even have for this war is they threw acid in those girls faces.
    Of course no abuse in your countries.
    YOU cant Tell a Civlilain From a Militant. I can.
    YOU cant tell a sunni from a shiite. I can.
    YOU dont speak or understand any of thier languages.
    They have the home turf.
    There are 24 million of JUST Pashtoon-Talibans.
    They have unlimited supply and money.
    YOU are idiots.

    May 16, 2010 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Brian from Chicago

      You are... not helpful.

      May 17, 2010 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian from Chicago

      Let me clarify: your post is remarkably self-glorifying, but it cotnributes nothing to this debate. If you have insights, we want to hear them. If you just have ideas, we've got room for those. But if you just want to stroke your ego up and down while calling everyone else idiots, then you're not a general and you're not a doctor and you're not as bad as you would like to believe.

      May 17, 2010 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
  43. Migueliux

    Ok, I have to put my $.02

    The civilians get intimidated/forced to store weapons and act nicely to the Taliban. Then one thing leads to another and the civilians are caught in the crossfire, To all the people who posted these COLD comments about it's ok, that civilian casualties are unavoidable, Please do not be be a hypocrite DON"T call yourselves Christians, because you are not Christians,

    M

    May 15, 2010 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Lori Rumsfeld

    THERE WILL BE NO VICTORY OUT OF IRAQ BUT THE GOVERNMENT WILL CALL IT VICTORY AND LIE TO SAFE FACE.

    THE POOS TROOP WHEN KILLED AND GOT KILLED FOR NO GOOD REASON. WE WHERE NOT INVADED. ALL WE HAD TO DO IS STICK TO OSAMA BIN LADEN.

    INSTED WE TOOK ON A FORMER ALLIED SADDAM HUSAIN. THIS NUT HAD NO WMD AND NO AL-QAEDA.
    NOW THE TROOPS WILL LEAVE AND AL-QAEDA WILL STAY FERMENTING THEIR HATE.
    IS THAT VICTORY?????? ONLY FOR THE FOOLS THAT BELIEVE THE LIES LIKE WMD.

    BLOOD TREASURE LOST FOR NOTHING.

    WE SHOULD HANG BUSH AND HIS GOVERNMENT OT AT LEAST AS CIVILIZE AS WE ARE WE SHOULD CALL IT FOR WHAT IT IS THE BIGES BLUNDER IN OUR LIFE TIME. EVEN BIGGER THAN VIETNAM REMEMBER THAT ONE.

    THE CONQUERING OF OTHER NATIONS WILL SOON BE OVER HUMANITY WILL GROW OUT OF THIS IN THE FUTURE.. BUT NOW PRESENT TIME AMERICA HAS BROKEN A COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11 NOT ATTACKED THE USA IN ANY WAY. FOR THIS THE WARMONGERS WILL HAVE TO ANSWERS SOME DAY.

    May 15, 2010 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian from Chicago

      Anything written by someone who leaves their caps lock key on must be true!

      May 17, 2010 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • matt

      THIS NUT HAD NO WMD AND NO AL-QAEDA.
      NOW THE TROOPS WILL LEAVE AND AL-QAEDA WILL STAY ......................................................................how can alqaida stay if they were never there?

      May 17, 2010 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Joe

    It would have been nice if we had sent the needed number of troops into Afghanistan rather than saving them in reserve for Iraq. Maybe if we had enough numbers we would not have had to rely on paid-off warlords keeping the al-Qaeda from escaping to Pakistan. Then we could have killed enough of them to declare victory and leave.

    May 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
  46. fob fenty resident

    To the poster of comment 153. Poor farmers with 21 rockets just hanging out in their domain? Why dont you address why they had those weapons and why they shot at american AND Afghan National Army when told to come out.

    May 15, 2010 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
  47. housellyrandor

    Every operation leads to Coalition forces claiming insurgent casualties and an Afghan official claiming civilian casualties. I'm sure civilians do occasionally die. But if the man looking down the scope says he shot an armed insurgent, I believe he shot an armed insurgent. Not only are the NATO forces in Afghanistan some of the best trained, most professional soldiers in the history of warfare, but they operate under the most restrictive rules of engagement in the history of warfare. Rules of their own creation.

    May 15, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Dan in Lafayette,IN

    –: Liars just as much as murderers must repent or face God's judgment.

    May 15, 2010 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
  49. --

    Wag the Dog, anyone?

    The people murdered in this attack were poor farmers. JUST poor farmers. My cousins to be exact. They survived 30 years of war, and were just settling with the optimism that America was here to help them. They survived the Communists, the Taliban, Warlords, and the eight years of fighting since 9/11. Let us not minimize that which finally killed them.

    As an Afghan, and especially as an American, my grief is only compounded by the utter lack of knowledge amongst the people on this discussion board. How long will it be, how many lives will it take, for us to move beyond polarized arguments, facetious blame-games, and own up to the responsibility we hold to the livelihood of citizens of the world and not just those in our backyard. How much pain will we have to feel before we can finally accept that this war does not present itself honestly, and that ANY time we use violence, we will only toil in vain? And as long as human life is still considered 'collateral damage' I will NEVER 'get over it'.

    May 15, 2010 at 6:13 pm | Report abuse |
  50. JAKE

    in war more civilians are killed than combatants WW1, WW11, korea, vietnam it's all the same. it's a fact! in vietnam we would shake hands with the villagers in the day time and they would shoot at us at night! who knows who the enemy is unless they are in uniform?
    if you haven't been to war you have very little to say about what happens, so shut up! this war is very unpopular (as vietnam) but our boys are there. we need to support them in every way possible and do all we can to get them out safely and bring them home. let these afghans fight on their own and see how many civilans are killed! they'll kill at will and what then? it's a sh**hole over there....

    May 15, 2010 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
  51. U.N. Girl

    Firstly to greg who opened this thread with his comment. Many thanks for a sensible and coherent reply. War is ugly but sometimes unavoidable. I support peace over any war and the killing of any human. Saying that what are you supposed to do with these type of people were fighting now and every peaceful means for a resolution has been exhausted without success. They will continue to attack us and brutalize their own people unless we (the world collectively) not just the americans and us brits fight back.

    So greg emper fi and respect to our military and lets hope for the sake of humanity that the world will come to its senses and stop all of this fighting.

    May 15, 2010 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Martin

    When I grow up I am going into the unitied stats marine core active duty for 40 years and be a infantry man

    May 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Average American

    Is oBAMA bombing villages & killimg civilians, AGAIN?

    May 15, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
  54. deployed

    I'm deployed to Afghanistan and I am currently in the province mentioned in the article. I can guarantee you that the people killed were not civilians. Even if they were, they should know better than to shoot at our guys from within a building with Ak-47 fire and RPG's. Coalition forces were defending themselves. I work in the tactical operations center and I was aware of the operation going on. "Innocent civilians" were not killed. That is for sure.

    May 15, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
  55. livingperson

    You know..its hard to fight a war when all them towelheads look alike..when your exchanging gunfire with badies..sure there will be panicing..sorry that our military forces do not have loud surround sound to tell the innocent to get down. This is WAR..There will be Deaths..If the Afgans dont want WAR..then denounce the taliban.Our forces are here to help..not to hurt..as i stated b4..there will be casulties..ITS WAR!!! GET OVER IT!!!

    May 15, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
  56. fob fenty resident

    Almost all news reports fail to mention that 21 rockets were in the compound that the troops raided. The insurgents were planning on attacking our base on saturday with those rockets, I dont see how it anyone can believe it was civilians killed. They may not have been "known" taliban to the local populace but they were obviously sympathetic to them or else they would not have the weapons in their domain.

    Had this action not been taken we would have had a much worse news headline about massive casualties from the base.

    May 15, 2010 at 12:49 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Former Marine

    Lori, you are obviously ignorant... I mean, WOW! The need to type in all caps to get your point across shows just how much arrogance you have towards your own views and how much ignorance you have on the subject... If you were capable of typing like a normal human being, I would have probably given a decent response to your post, but like all the other fools who feel the need to type in ALL CAPS, I couldn't get through it, because it felt like some sort of propagandist trying to stress their poit with a megaphone. What I was capable of reading makes you sound like a moron at best, because US and British forces do not "Murder" anyone, they Eliminate or Kill. And as far as what we are doing... That's an easy answer there, We're over there doing what we're told. If you have issues with it, take it up with your Senators and Congressmen, because ultimately the battlefield soldier has no control over what they're doing. Their ONLY mindset is to get home alive. But I believe you would know nothing about the struggle to make it home alive every day. Your closest brush with death probably came when you hydroplaned your vehicle and almost had a head on collision with another vehicle. If you, or any of you arrogant and ignorant fools wish to know what is REALLY going on with this conflict, and want to know what's it's REALLY like for a soldier over there, visit your nearest recruiting station, and stand in their shoes for awhile. Then we'll see how far your criticism goes when it's your life on the line.

    May 15, 2010 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Alan

    Taliban civilian if they are aiding terriorists they need to be shot just a matter of time anyway they must like living in a war zone so lets show'em how its done that country is a crapper anyway those nuts will be the first to burn in hell

    May 15, 2010 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
  59. Lori Rumsfeld

    FOR SURE AMERICANS KILLED IRAQYS AFGHANISTAN CIVILIANS AND HAVE LITTLE OR NO CARE FOR THEM. ITS A GAME FOR THE TROOPS. AN ADVENTURE.

    BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN IT IS NO JOKE. THEY ARE LIVING THE WORST. SOME BLAME GOES TO THEIR OWN SUNNIS OR TALIBANS. BUT ITS THEIR LAND AND SOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO FIX OR BRAKE THEM SELFS.

    WHAT AMERICA AND BRITS ARE DOING IS MURDER, COLLATERAL MURDER IF YOU WHANT. BUT SURELY M U R D E R.

    THE WORLD WIDE RESENTMENT TOWARDS AMERICA AND BRITS IS GROWING AND GROWING. AND SOME DAY IT WILL HAPPEN............PAY BACK..........ITS ALL A MATTER OF TIME.

    NO THANK YOU BUSH BLAIR FOR PUTING US IN THIS SITUATION.
    SADDAM HUSAIN AS BAD AS HE WAS. WAS BETTER THAN THE TWO WARMONGERS WE HAD.

    May 15, 2010 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • matt

      if cowards like you were in charge we'd all be speaking german

      May 17, 2010 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
  60. John Morgan

    Those damned women and children, always spoiling our fun.

    May 15, 2010 at 10:45 am | Report abuse |
  61. Former Marine

    Jester... You failed to read the post above yours, ironically mine. I first stated in that post that these people, who have "invaded" your country actually have no choice in the matter. They can't just tell their men (in his case, Batallion or Division) "Okay boys and girls, the people don't want us here, let's pack it up and go home." It doesn't work that way. They have orders which they have to follow or they go to jail, and become Dishonorably Discharged and never find a job ever again. Who is going to pay for the rest of their lives, certainly not the Afghani people as a way of saying "Thanks for doing the right thing and leaving." And Certainly not you. Do not comment on things you know nothing of, because it makes you look ignorant. Secondly, the US DID go to get Osama, and he's nowehere to be found. However, I can tell you how the focus shifted from Osama to the Taliban.

    First we were fighting the Al-Quaeda insurgents. I am sure you remember seeing something about them on the news. Al-Quaeda said "Forget this" and packed up their crap and left. THEN the Taliban were left alone, fighting. If the local hostiles would just stop fighting for one year, our forces would vacate the country, and we wouldn't give it a second thought. But people have no foresight, they are emotional, impulsive creatures with only one mindset, theirs. The only agenda that is important is theirs, the only goal that is important is theirs, and it's unfortunate that both sides see it exactly the same. However, perhaps we should all take a lesson in humility, and that would help expedite the war efforts a bit more to help them come to a close. Hell if the Taliban Leader would sit down with the Commanding General of the Middle Eastern Conflict and talk, I betcha they'd have a lot in common, and have a lot of common ground to stand on. And I hate to tell you, Jester, that country was messed up before we got there, we're just adding to the mess.

    May 15, 2010 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
  62. Jester

    first the US came to Afghanistan to avenge 9/11 and get Osama ..

    I wonder if they still want revenge after killing so many people and also being the cause of death of so many people. and no sign of Osama yet, I wonder if he is alive even. All of a sudden its Taliban from Al-Qaeda, I remember , Taliban refused US during Mid-90s for that oil line project from Central Asia to Arabian Sea, so maybe thats what its all about. The country is all destroyed and now the neighboring country Pakistan is feeling the heat.

    So to the Col. at the very first comment. Mr sir officer , kindly leave Afghanistan, Thank you very much.

    May 15, 2010 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
  63. Former Marine

    Uzair, you think the Miliary wants to be there? Hell no, "Your Country" is a desolate hell hole away from servicemember's family and friends. They're half a world away from their lives, which continue without them. They're only doing one thing, following orders. While those orders suck, they have NO CHOICE but to follow them. In the good ol' Marines we had a saying. USMC (Which is the Acronym for the U.S. Marine Corps for those ignorant folk) actually stands for U Signed the MotherF-ing Contract. Which is true, they are contractually obligated to follow those orders. (Another name is Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, which is a whole new conversation all together.) Do you really think, while I was in Afghanistan or Iraq, I wanted to be there? Hell no. Was I the one playing target practice with Mosque speakers, harrasing the locals, or anything of the sort? Hell no, I had a job to do, and I just hoped that I made it home safely. My actual hope was simple, if I became incapacitated, someone I had helped along the way would help me in my time of need. Sure, call it "Self Fulfilling Moralities" but the sad thing is, if I saw a wounded Taliban fighter we didn't kill, I wouldn't put two in his chest again and walk away, or leave him bleeding, I called a Corpsman over to patch him up, and get him moving. Mind you, the Doc was usually treating combat injuries, and the couple I did stumble across on my Damage Assessments were dead before Doc could get to them, but the fact remains that I tried. And the sad fact remains, some servicemembers out there are only looking to bolster their kill count, it happens, and it's true. Any Marine, Soldier, Airman and Seaman will tell you the same things, there are good warfighters and bad. Any good warfighter wants the war to be over so there is peace. Any bad warfighter will kill indisciminately just to bolster a kill count and use any means necessary to do so. However, thankfully I never got hit, or wounded for the lamens, but if I had, I hoped that I had done enough good around that someone took note of my good, and was able to keep the dogs at bay until I could be back on my feet again. Over there, in your country, hope is all we have. Do we know we're fighting a crap war for a bunch of cpeople, who want nothing more than to behead us on live television for the world to see? However we HOPE we're doing a good thing, and we HOPE that we are making a positive impact. Ask any warfighter on this forum, we don't go over there with a "Kill 'em all" mentality... We just go over there and hope to see the next day, and eventually our rotation home. So for you, Uzair... May Allah's blessing be upon you and your people, but until the fighting over there stops and our forces may pull out, May ,whatever diety a service member prays to, protect them until they come home for good.

    May 15, 2010 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
  64. reuben

    Very well then proviode Armani suites for all the civillians..

    May 15, 2010 at 9:12 am | Report abuse |
  65. home

    too bad it sucks to be them

    May 15, 2010 at 9:11 am | Report abuse |
  66. Muhammad Ali Farooq

    Such a waste of bullets.!!!

    May 15, 2010 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
  67. Onesmallvoice

    @uzair.You are quite right.We have no business in your country,but the problem is the right-wing thugs in Washington who along with Great Britain and France want to build a Middle Eastern empire with no regard for the people living there.But many people,with their right-wing mob mentality and ingnorance,think that we do.

    May 15, 2010 at 8:45 am | Report abuse |
  68. uzair

    I hate it when people blame taliban for hiding among civilans?!...
    they are the civilans and it is their country..
    taliban is just an umbrella term used by the NATO propaganda machine...
    these people r either local war lords or civilans who want to end the illegal occupation by foriegn no different then the one by USSR.

    Get out of my country, stop using freaking 9/11 excuses to rob another country

    May 15, 2010 at 7:48 am | Report abuse |
  69. reality

    The realiy of that mission was indeed justified. There was an intense firefight between coalition forces and enemy combatants, which resulted in enemy combatents killed. They, enemy combatents, were planning on attacking a coalition base to kill americans. I vote that the mission was a success, because it subsequently saved american lives. People that assume that soldiers kill civilians with no regard are living in the anti-american dream land. Because of mission success politics will always play it's ugly hand.

    May 15, 2010 at 7:48 am | Report abuse |
  70. us marine

    to all you people out there who knock the troops,we donot go around just killing people,we have a code of conduct that we are held to.when you are fighting a enemy that are cowards,who blend in with civilians while trying to kill you,instead of going toe to toe with you,then there will be some civilians killed,but dont be fooled 99% of these so called inocent civilians are really the enemy who were just trying kill us a few minutes prior,they just didnot do a good job blending in with the real civilians.some of you out there need to spend one day in our shoes,i would like to see how your minds would change after a couple rounds fly past your head fired at you by these so called civilians.i joined the marines on my own free will,i love being a marine,so i am not complaing,but what gets me is you cry babies out there that put us down,you really dont have a clue whats going on. semper fi

    May 15, 2010 at 7:28 am | Report abuse |
    • matt

      most of us are with you sir......

      May 17, 2010 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Dave

    Someone mentioned that he's tired of half wars. I could not agreed more. Yes, we can win this war, however, the commitment is not there. That would require wiping out entirevillages and american liberals and wimps don't have the stomach to win any war. that's why these animals from the middle east are winning the war. weake americans just as the idiots complaining about the law against ILLEGALS in arizona are the ones destroying out nation.
    very soon we won't have to worry about these terrorist wanting to attack us, since we will be part of mejico...

    May 15, 2010 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
  72. thetruthhurts

    Let's just take the 200 or so civilians out of the country and kill everyone, then take them back. problem solved.

    May 15, 2010 at 12:50 am | Report abuse |
  73. Georgia Goad

    Caught Infantry Blue as I was leaving....you make good sense and there are those of us that do wish the right people would try to understand how you feel.....Stay safe....GeeGee

    May 14, 2010 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
  74. Georgia Goad

    Oh, T.K. calling the soldiers "yanks"....little person, I know where you hail from...just wanted you to know I noticed your piece of ....... also SGT B....saw yours too. Seems I have heard that before also, sorry if you know about these attacks first hand. Finally to Dan in Lafayette, IN...you said it, you gutsy guy....we should be behind our soldiers, our Country and God Bless. Hey you guys, I thought this soldier bashing sounded familiar, sounds a lot like the Vietnam era soldier bashing. Now doesn't it? Don't blame the guys getting their guts shot out, their legs blown off, blame the ones that put them there. By George, I love the red, white and blue. So what all you critics out there? America, love it if you have chosen to live here....I will the the rest of that statement up to those who think you know more about more than the rest of us. Good God, good night...GeeGee

    May 14, 2010 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
  75. INFANTRY BLUE

    Im here at Aghanistan and I have seen when these demonstration's happen. What I dont understand is how they cant control themselves (LOCALS) when they do this. After nine years of this war, i cant help but point out that they, the locals are quick to blame us (Coalition Forces) on everything., so they demonstrate, riot, accuse. If they understood that I dont want to hurt them but if you help us by pointing out the Taliban and quit being scared of them. then we could be alot more successful there. I hate how locals do this. I put my life on the line everytime I go outside the wire. Ther arent willing to accept that risk, instead the say they dont know where they placed IED's. Instaed of trying to be active in protest, they should be active in taking care of it's own people by rooting out the Taliban. Then and only then will they have peace.

    May 14, 2010 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
  76. fang

    goods

    May 14, 2010 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Georgia Goad

    Pat, just got a chance to get back on line, I didn't see you listing family that didn't get to come home under their own power, or those who were terribly wounded serving the U.S... I hope you never have to. I have 7 grandsons, none able to serve in the Military yet, but who is to know which ones or one will? I pray for the safety of your grandsons and want them at home in one piece that you recognize as much as you do. But my dear writer, it doesn't always happen that way, no matter how much we want our boys to come home whole in mind and body. And the ones who want us to bring our soldiers home, yes sirs, that is the hope and prayer of all of us. The "tribes" killing each other in the middle east will only keep it up until no one is left I imagine, then who will they come after??? The marines who made their comments today sounded just a little bitter. Which generation should bear the biggest burden for the mess the world is in? And the big mouth that shouted about the poor vietman villigers a small group of soldiers under the command of a half-crazed leader murdered....you cannot condemn the entire armed forces for that horrible error of judgement. I don't know how old that person is, but those people put their poor children in harms way by tying machine guns to their backs and having them walk out to meet troops going through villages and using them as fronts to fire those guns. How about all that horror? Because of our soldiers being overseas, I like to think that maybe, just maybe the children in the United States will never suffer the horror others over the world have. I am tired of the bickering. I wanted to join the army when I graduated from my college stay, my Mom begged me not to. She didn't want to lose another child the way she lost my brother. Pat, oh yes the sky is falling, but it is put on the backs of your grandsons as well as mine own to hold the sky above this country up. Nuff said....GeeGee

    May 14, 2010 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |
  78. http://twitter.com/whybs

    The Taliban harbored Osama bin Ladin! Until we see his head, we'll keep pummeling the Taliban but who would have known that they like wearing burqas? 🙂

    May 14, 2010 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
  79. matt28

    I wish we would get our boys and girls out of that god forsaken place. Afghanistan has been run by tribes for a thousand years and we won't change that fact.

    May 14, 2010 at 9:35 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Mr. Davidson

    Either we kill them all or they will kill themselves any way after we leave as in Iraq.

    May 14, 2010 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Amy

    Everything is here http://www.onseeking.com friends, please
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    May 14, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
  82. tk

    ITs not the talibans fault, I find no blame with them. The cowards that are the Yanks and other allied troops constantly harass woman and children. Disrespecting mosques and raiding civilian homes. Firing on so called terroists from behind hospital walls, schools and anything to achieve their murderous mission. The civilians of Afghanistan have to stand up to these thugs and show them that they are not afraid and that they will protect their families from cowards like them. They have no shame. and only want control and use "eliminating terroists" as an excuse to get it. They are nothing but hoodlums and thugs and most of all cowards.

    May 14, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
  83. dogboy

    Avid reader, you have typed many words but you have only stated the obvious. You get a C.

    May 14, 2010 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Avid Reader

    I have read all 117 posts. People are passionate about their beliefs and opinions. Thankfully this country has one of those governments that allows such opinions and beliefs to be displayed in public. Even when there are statements critical of the government, military, and civilian businesses. This is a rare priviledge this country affords it's citizens. History shows this. Even today, in the year 2010, it is not universal among the worlds governments. May we forever enjoy the rights to our opinions and never suffer for having expressed them.

    May 14, 2010 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
  85. SGT B

    Civilians who decide it's a good idea to pick up a weapon during a firefight are no longer civilians. Personal experience in the region tells me that it is very likely that the "civilians" that were killed in the firefight were either harboring the taliban fighters, or were actually insurgents themselves. In Afghanistan the only difference between "taliban" and "civilian" is whether or not that person has a rifle pointed at you. There is no taliban uniform, in almost all cases, they wear the exact same garb as all the civilians in the area, with the exception of having a weapon and ammunition. In many cases, the people in the village you just passed who were oh so nice to you when your patrol was giving them MRE's, water, and medical attention, etc. turn right around the second you leave and either contact the local taliban resistance and tell them what you are doing, or they set off the IED's themselves. I've always found it interesting that we always seemed to get hit by an IED or ambushed about 10 minutes from leaving one of these "friendly" villages.

    May 14, 2010 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
  86. nitram

    Those who flew the airplanes into the towers were civilians also. Acts commited against our troops by civilians are not mentioned by those upset by civilian deaths.
    I am SICK of the US being a referee in an area of the world that has been at war for centuries. LEAVE NOW and let them kill each other then see who complains about Civilian deaths.

    May 14, 2010 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Dan in Lafayette,IN

    I think that our guest from central Europe said it best and our prayers for victory should never stop over these fanatical Islamic radicals, who have no care for life just for death through jihad and ungodly martyrdom in which they take innocent lives! MAY GOD BE WITH OUR TROOPS! AS SHOULD EVERY AMERICAN!

    May 14, 2010 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Asten Weems

    This ain't news. Civilians will always die in war. Besides there will never be a war in which civilians don't die in

    May 14, 2010 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
  89. Pat

    Final thought, and then I will leave all you other good folks to figure this war out. A good friend told me that it doesn't matter which side of the path you're on when your leaders have already decided your final destination is the outhouse.

    May 14, 2010 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Pat

    Sorry GeeGee, I didn't mean to mis-spell your name. I respect your thoughts. But do you really believe that the Afghans are about to make war inside our borders? And I refuse to believe the sky is falling. Things change, wars, politicans, countries, humans, all come and go. In a hundred years this will just be another sad chapter in a history book. Oh, and I currently have two grandsons in the military, one in the middle east, that I am very proud of. And want home.

    May 14, 2010 at 6:02 pm | Report abuse |
  91. sidrock23

    is it any surprise that the blood thirsty U.S military continues to kill civilians? who can forget the MyLai Massacre in Vietnam? these are not "accident", this is part of a strategy, however in this case it is one that will lead to the demise of the U.S military in Afghanistan. Nato and the U.S just gave even more recruitment fire to the taliban, now even more people will want to seek revenge for the brutal murder of their family members.

    May 14, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
  92. Guest from central Europe

    I'd like to take the opportunity to thank all NATO forces - including U.S. forces including USMC - for their efforts in Afghanistan! It is your military service which keeps me as a civilian safe here in the West - including all the critics living in Western countries. I think there are many other readers in the West but outside the U:S: who rarely comment on such news but think the same way. It is important to keep Al-Qaeda & the Taliban engaged where they are now until - hopefully not too long into the future - the Afghan army and security forces are strong enough to be able to take over control themselves. Unitil then to all military personnel in Afghanistan: thanks so much for your commitment.

    May 14, 2010 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Man

      I see you bought into the same crap as the flag-waving Nascar dads on here. So let me reiterate:

      The US military involvement has NOTHING to do with "keeping the world safe for democracy." Do you think Bush and Cheney and the oil elite and the Israeli government care about your freedom and safety? I know you feel all warm and fuzzy toward them, but unfortunately the feelings aren't mutual.

      The US soldiers are risking their lives, and civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan are being killed, because of oil and Israel. And not for you and your family or American families or peace and democracy or any other noble motive.

      May 18, 2010 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
  93. Georgia Goad

    Ms. Pat, my name is Georgia...My dad and Uncle Buddy were in WWII. Uncle Buddy was a gunner at Pearl Harbor. He saw his gun malte's head blown off before he was hit by rounds that left him partially blind for a long time and a recuperative time of months before he could go back. My dad joined the Navy, loved the sea, was sent home after a serious illness kept him from active duty. My Uncle Huel's son died in the Korean war. My brother, Jim, was a Army Sargent in Vietman. Mother's Day, my sister and went to the cemetary and put flowers on the grave of Jim and both of our parents. My nephew, Rolland, went to Iraq to armor plate humvees. His wife became seriously ill and he had to come home to care for their children, otherwise, he would still be there I guess. How many family??? Well, there you are. How many friends have gone to war, how many have died? How many times have I heard "Taps"played at the funeral of family or a friend? Many more times than I ever wanted to hear. Now the young 18 to 21 year old boys/men in our family are next. yeah, Pat...I know about war and not one single of our familly wanted to kill anyone....not one single soldier in our family that gave their all even thought about money, just keeping war from coming to America, they went to war to protect their families. Yes Pat, like Chicken Little, you had better be prepared because the sky is falling. GeeGee

    May 14, 2010 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Pat

    BTW, I don't want to lose a single Marine either. However, I'd rather not see this country need to kill a million other humans as a trade off. Washed or otherwise.

    May 14, 2010 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Pat

    Butch, you just keep thinking like this. Politicians of every stripe are depending on it. A few years back it was "America, love it or leave it" without any thought that perhaps this country of ours could benefit from Americans with both a heart and a brain staying, creating intelligent discussions, and at least trying to raise this country back to a world leadership position again. We lost a lot of ground there during the Bush administration. So are your feelings about Marines because you actually served as one? Or are you just a Monday morning commentator?

    May 14, 2010 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
  96. Pat

    Greogia, how many of your family have served in the military? Of course the regular troops, and even lower rank officers are not there for the money. If you took a survey you'd find several reasons they joined the military. None of those reasons are about a way to get rich. Although some joined because with the job situation here right now, they just needed a paycheck to get by without being a burden on anyone else. And only a very very few joined to actually kill anyone else, especially not civilians. So follow the actual money, and the power, and take a look at the decision makers that have put the troops in that position. What are they getting out of this war? Figure that out, and you will have some answers to many of the above questions. Nay, I am not chicken little, I don't think the sky is falling, but I was born with a brain and sometimes even use it to try to figure something out.

    May 14, 2010 at 5:33 pm | Report abuse |
  97. Georgia Goad

    Pretty strong feelings Butch, but strong feelings have kept us in one hard battle after another, not just war, but in most everything we strive for as a nation and as an individual. Take care...Gee Gee

    May 14, 2010 at 5:26 pm | Report abuse |
  98. Chris

    Pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq now! We have no business in either place. As many others have said, who is to believed in this?

    Fight war, not wars!

    May 14, 2010 at 5:23 pm | Report abuse |
  99. Butch Roan

    I would trade the life of a million dirty Afghans for the life of one US Marine!

    May 14, 2010 at 5:17 pm | Report abuse |
  100. Georgia Goad

    For "Former Marine" yes sir, I would think children and adults alike raised in a society where guns and the sound of guns have become a way of life would know all about the look and sound. Yes sir, like you I hate that any innocent civilian has to die, or do they have to die? I have been asking that question since 9/11! Like I said to Marine Chuckster, men like you and he have been there, you have the passion in your comments that makes me know there is still the rub of the futile dying of our men & boys, yes, I said boys, I haven't forgotten the women that have laid down their lives for us here in the United States. Former Marine, I think everyone gets your point. GeeGee

    May 14, 2010 at 5:14 pm | Report abuse |
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