March 12th, 2010
07:29 AM ET

Ex-Pakistan spy chief urges talks with Omar

Retired General Hamid Gul

Talking to the Taliban leader in Afghanistan may help bring peace to the country, according to a former Pakistan spy chief once referred to as the "father of the Taliban."

Retired Gen. Hamid Gul, a former head of the ISI spy agency, worked with the CIA through the 1980s to fund and train the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets. Many of the Mujahedeen went on to govern Afghanistan as the Taliban, who are led by Mullah Omar.

"The best situation would be to talk to Mullah Omar," Gul said. "Put up your own conditions where I would say it is legitimate ... I think they will accept. I know their psychology."

Face-to-face talks would work best, Gul added.

"You have to engage him. You have to talk to him," Gul said. "There is no one else, for heaven sake, why beat around the bush?"

Last year, Gul said Omar was the only person who can improve U.S. interests in Afghanistan.

"Mullah Omar, nobody else," Gul said.

He insisted that President Barack Obama's administration can access Omar through the Pakistan military. But the Pakistani Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) denied that the Pakistani military is in contact with Omar and that it can bring him and other commanders to the negotiating table.

In his latest interview, Gul decried the terrorist label on the Taliban, saying former President George W. Bush was wrong to call them that.

"This is wrong, by any definition," he said. "No shred of evidence is available that they were involved in any terrorist activity."

Last year, Gul said a stated Taliban condition to any discussions - the complete withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan first - was not a fixed demand.

With concessions from Washington, it could be softened and make way for negotiations to begin, he said.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said he will pursue talks with the Taliban as part of a reconciliation and reintegration plan.

Karzai has said he plans to buy off low-level Taliban foot soldiers with cash and make peace with some Taliban leaders by offering them government positions.

While Washington supports the plan, it rejects a dialogue involving Omar.

The Taliban has said Omar is not interested in a peace deal.

-CNN's Reza Sayah contributed to this report.

RELATED: Your view: Is it possible to negotiate with the Taliban?

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  1. NeonAngel

    First off most of the people need to brush off on the history. "Taliban" were created by the help of the CIA, which unh means the US itself. The US supported them to fight against the Soviets, support as in monetary, strategic and military weaponry all flowed through to Afghanistan through Pakistani intelligence. They were created by means of brainwashing and using the very Islamic principles that Bin laden used against the US to show them a taste of their own medicine. The SAME principles of fighting "infidels".
    And that was a fact admitted by Hillary Clinton herself recently. They are terrorists when they fight the US. But when they break down the Soviets they are allies to be trusted, supported in any way, any means to achieve the ends desired by the US.
    Oh for the sake of Hollywood just watch Charlie Wilson's War, starring Tom Hanks if reading history is too hard.
    A generation in Afghanistan was torn apart, terrorized, disrupted by the war they fought for the US and left to clean up the mess left by the elitist West, who are soooooo civilized that as soon as their needs were met they left the country to fend for itself, with millions of refugees stuck in Pakistan and a generation growing up hating the West for its double standards.
    War only begets war when thats all you end up seeing your whole life. Now you want to label them as terrorists and further fuel the anger they already possess. And of course the West is civilized, they tend to opt for preemptive strikes, and ruin other cultures civil infrastructure, education is disrupted, they are probably half mentally deranged, hell US soldiers who come back after a few years of fighting a war in another country are called "traumatized" like little baby girls. What do you think happens when you are assaulted by another country in your OWN homes.
    Peace out.

    April 1, 2010 at 7:21 am | Report abuse |
  2. Ilyas Ahmad

    Alexander the Great was only 20 years old when he became king. When he died at the age of 32, his territory stretched from Spain to India and his reputation was larger than life. He failed to capture afghanistan and pushton belt in pakistan.

    The British in the 1800s and the Soviets in the 1900s met similar fates. Will the United States' experience in the 21st century be different?

    The Pathans are known as people who are brave, simple, and sincere in their dealings with others. They are noted as fierce fighters, and throughout history they have offered strong resistance to invaders.

    Code of ethics :
    1-Pakhtunwali, or "way of the Pakhtun (Pathan)."
    2-Melmastia or hospitality and protection to every guest.
    3-Nanawati or the right of a fugitive to seek a place of refuge, and acceptance of his bona fide offer of peace.
    4-Badal or the right of blood feuds or revenge.
    5-Ghayrat or defense of property and honor.

    The only way is political solution. By war forget it.

    March 21, 2010 at 12:54 am | Report abuse |
  3. Sal

    This guy is a wehabi proponent and Taleban creator using funds from the Saudis (also wehabis) to further the wehabi brand of Islam practiced by the Taleban.

    He should be shot by a US drone.

    March 17, 2010 at 5:53 am | Report abuse |
  4. A Khan

    I am a liberal Muslim , I don’t want to hurt anyone but I also like to tell you some truth .
    Osama and Omer are terrorist and also Talban’s.
    But America can not win this war. because of its multi strategy that’s for sure because USA has multi goals or target ,USA want to finish Talban in Afghanistan which is completely not possible. USA also want to finish Pakistan which is also not possible. USA want to get All the OIL of Arabs slightly possible. USA is trapped and no way out , USA Marians are dying for nothing. They even don’t know for what they are fighting for. I really have a sympathy for Poor Solider whose dying in Afgan and iraq war. Muslimes are not bad but terrorist are really bad. My Name is KHAN and I am not a Terrorist.

    March 17, 2010 at 1:38 am | Report abuse |
  5. Tim A

    Snuff em all Snuffy!

    March 16, 2010 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Homer

    I think talks are a great idea. When he shows up we take him out

    March 16, 2010 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  7. SAM

    What was the reason we went in to Afghanistan?

    March 16, 2010 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Daniel

    For Chakravaka,I seems quite the opposite is true.With all this right-wing mob mentality that most people keep blogging in here,it appears that the right-wing news media has been very successful in drumming up war fever and a thirst for blood.

    March 16, 2010 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Thinktwiceagain

    What a jerk, this general is????? First he changed the meaning of Jihaad when he was working for CIA under ISI, now he changed the meaning of terrorists. If these Jihaadists/extremists are not terrorists, who are killing scores of innocent people in the shopping malls, hotels, mosques, churches and in schools, then might be mother terressa or Einstein ware terrorist??????????????????

    March 16, 2010 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Khurram

    Hi Literati

    I agree that you are accurate on the US strategy. But you said:

    "it is accurate to say that many innocents have died in our pursuit of terrorists, but since 9/11, we have made it very clear that there were only 2 options, being with or against us.
    there will be no innocent spectators. If you do not or cannot rid yourselves of terrorists, we will, but don't sit too close, as being close to a terrorist is not ever going to be a safe place to be. Failing to understand or learn this lesson will likely happen only once."

    For that reason alone most people of this world consider the US as a threat to peace.

    Khurram Chaudhry

    March 16, 2010 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Chakravaka

    If Hamid Gul is indeed a father of Taliban then he has blood of thousands of innocents on his hands. Why is he not captured and prosecuted like any 9/11 planners ?
    He is partly responsible for killing thousands of people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and U.S civilians who died in 9/11 attacks as well as cruel treatment of women in Afghanistan.
    Why is CNN publishing a happy, smiling face of such character ? We need to see him cry.

    March 16, 2010 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Chakravaka

    CNN is reposting this old story. Why ??
    I have seen this same story more than a month ago on CNN.
    Looks like someone is paying CNN to create public opinion
    in favor of talks with Taliban.

    March 16, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
  13. literati

    it is accurate to say that many innocents have died in our pursuit of terrorists, but since 9/11, we have made it very clear that there were only 2 options, being with or against us.
    there will be no innocent spectators. If you do not or cannot rid yourselves of terrorists, we will, but don't sit too close, as being close to a terrorist is not ever going to be a safe place to be. Failing to understand or learn this lesson will likely happen only once.

    March 16, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Khurram

    This Gul is right about 9/11 and Mumbai being done by the CIA (Mumbai one by India too). But he is wrong about giving Islam a bad name.

    Islam is the best friend of the capitalist imperialists. This is not being done to give a bad name to Islam. Islam does not need any help in that regard.

    This is being done radicalize all sides and sell weapons.


    March 16, 2010 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
  15. sam

    This guy Gul is also of the opnion that 9/11. and Mumbai 26/ii were conspirasies of US and India to give Islam abad name.
    Rest mu case.

    March 15, 2010 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
  16. A. Smith, Oregon

    Surprise, the allegedly corrupt Afghanistan President Karzai was in the middle of negotiations with Aghan Taliban #2 when the CIA swept in and with the supposed help of the Pakistani ISI arrested him!

    Afghanistan Presidential aide reported that Karzai is extremely angry’ at Taliban boss’ arrest.

    Apparently Gen McChrystal and his staff were not even aware that the Afghan government was holding secret talks with the Taliban's No. 2 when he was captured in Pakistan, and the arrest totally infuriated President Hamid Karzai.

    The detention of Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar — second in the Taliban only to one-eyed Mullah Mohammed Omar — has raised new questions about whether the U.S. is willing to back peace discussions with leaders who harbored the terrorists behind the Sept. 11 attacks. Karzai "was very angry" when he heard that the Pakistanis had picked up Baradar with an assist from U.S. intelligence, the adviser said. Besides the ongoing talks, he said Baradar had "given a green light" to participating in a three-day peace jirga that Karzai is hosting next month.

    Perhaps more than anyone in the entire region of Afghanistan, Karzi knows his life won't be worth spit if he can't work out some arrangement with the Taliban before the American troops leave next year. President Karzi is not yet planning his exit strategy, he is however trying desperately to insure his personal survival HOWEVER it now appears some US Agency's do not want him to succeed!

    March 15, 2010 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
  17. sadiqams

    For those that advocate all out war ignoring civilian casultlies. May I remind the Americans that their Bristish cousins fought the Pastuns (Pathaans) who are loosely referred to as Taliaban nowadays for 90 years and did not win in fact a whole British army was wiped out in one battle leaving one survivor to tell the tale. One thing the Pastuns will do is talk because as far as they are concerned it is part of war and peace. America does not need to waste any more treasure and blood for worthless mountains and deserts but need to withdraw ASAP and this will bring peace to the area. Al Qda has played America into a quagmire and moved its operations elsewhere leaving America foreign policy unbalanced. Afganistan is not Al Qdas target but the middle east so America its time to pack up and leave otherwise America will not save face and there will bw no secound term for Obama. if its played well America can still claim victory by delivering peace.

    March 15, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Nejad

    Taliban is similar to any other group or organization which hires mercenaries to create an army and fight for the leaderships agenda and capture of whelth and power. Religion is used as a brainwashing tool besides paying salaries to these mercenaries. This has been done with all governments and organizations in the world ( Irananian government is a recent example of it). To cut Omar from his power offer these mercinaries better salaries and some other incentives like heaven on this eath instead of other world. This could be by recruiting or by way of creating decent jobs and better living conditions in the county for them. The fight against Taliban can not be won by military means. Talking to Omar is like talking to a murderer and thief who terorized his people specially women for so many years without majority of Afgan people's support. My two cents....

    March 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
  19. madonna001

    Let me put it into perspective for every war monger here.

    We are loosing the war for sure.

    The question is not that can we win it? The question is do we just loose the war or loose the war and the remaining broken spirited soldiers with it.

    Dont reply like a radical, think about it.

    March 15, 2010 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
  20. khurram

    There are those. like me, who are against the Taliban not because the Taliban are fighting the US but because of what the Taliban are.

    But I would not be surprised if the US did talk to the Taliban as the American administration is already in bed with the Saudi regime – a regime that shares the same evil Salafist creed.

    The real answer is that the Taliban and the capitalist imperialists are two faces of the same coin and want to drag us into their battle over who has the right to rule, make war and sell arms. We the people of Earth should instead see through this game and instead focus on how the IMF and the World Bank are spreading poverty, injustice and economic terrorism.

    The Taliban only exist because the Salafists in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere keep funneling money into the cause to spread death and hatred. Hillary Clinton sits in Saudi Arabia and is warning us that Iran is turning into a dictatorship. How dare she and the US regime even acknowledge the Saudis where women cannot vote, drive or even leave the house without permission? And then, of course, the US administration acknowledges the illegal Ziionist regime in occupied Palestine while alienating the vast 90% of the population of the Middle East.

    Khurram Chaudhry

    March 15, 2010 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
  21. ash

    Add Hamid Gul to the list of people to be neutralized. He is the spokesman for Taliban

    March 15, 2010 at 7:07 am | Report abuse |
  22. azmat zaman

    After reading the above comments, I wonder why the american MEN are so interested and worried about the education of afgan girls and treatment of afgan women.The customs and traditions have been there for some centuries.It only now of ten years that the americians have and are now showing interest. I wonder why.Gen Gul was the best friend when america was fighting Russia in afgan,and Omer was a freedom fighter and all changed as the role of america and russia changed in afgan.history can tell that no one has ruled the afgans.Men living in caves held up against ten years of Russia (super power) and ten year of America (super power).we all want this problem to go away by killing them as all are suggesting.Kill them are "brave words"sitting in america in your home.Can any one of you put action behind your words and go to afgan.I guess not .Only talk can bring peace to this region.That is why america is trying so hard to start talk in the Middle east.You can't think Rationally if you let blood rush to your head.

    March 15, 2010 at 2:20 am | Report abuse |
  23. Zindagi

    negotiating table is in the interest of USA, as there is no question of wining war from taliban in the history for anyone who came with lots of ambitions but left Afghanistan with problems.

    March 15, 2010 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
  24. Jester

    i think you need to talk to him, if you want to save tax payer's money, cause there is this big group of people that does not like US in Afghanistan, this revenge movie of 9/11 is now a big drag

    March 14, 2010 at 11:31 pm | Report abuse |
  25. BG

    Do you notice how CNN makes no mention of Obama's Afghan war cabinet meeting, held on Friday?

    This story speaks volumes about the "clear-hold" Iraqi counter-insurgency plan, domed to fail in Afghanistan.

    NY Times columnist Tom Friedman is correct.

    'We are a country becoming enfeebled by debt, with a weakening education system.'

    Afghanistan is by and large, a 'Cambodian' style widening of the quagmire, right before it completely collapses the U.S. economy. There's absolutely no security benefits to this terrorism problem, as long as Pakistan intelligence service (ISI) continue to double-deal our country's selfish CIA/GOP agenda. It's a moneypit.

    March 14, 2010 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
  26. matrim couthon

    it is surprising that not one of the comments above address the fact that this rtd chief of the pakistani spy agency says that the current pakistani military has contacts with Mullah Omar. I am sure he is right. This is a country that gets billions of dollars in aid from us and is repeatedly called an " ally" in the war on terror. They seem to be palying both sides and americans for fools. The best way tot get to Omar is probably to put the top people in pakistani spy agencies behind bars.

    March 14, 2010 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
  27. ALiBaba

    There was a time when love was around not any more America, Al quaieda, Taliban CIA ISIS, Hamid Gul charley wilson they were all friends. Now they are enemies so we will be killing each other for $ back then we killed Russias for $ now we will kill Americans for $.Tax payer had paid for both ore them...then and he is still paying for this one too.

    March 14, 2010 at 4:10 am | Report abuse |
  28. Chazz

    The Taliban are insurgents. They want to run the country of Afghanistan (and Pakistan) by their set of rules. They tolerate terrorists such as Al Qaeda because of the money and arms provided to fund their insurgency. Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization that doesn't want to rule anything. There are some members of the Taliban that because of their direct ties to Al Qaeda should be considered terrorists, not insurgents.

    In a country such as Afghanistan, military might will not win the war. Negotiations may help win the peace. I don't think that Omar would be willing to separate himself from Bin Ladin, but other leaders might. Remember that Omar had a chance to turn in Bin Laden after 9/11 and he refused.

    March 13, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Lachman

    This Mullah Omar is as dangerous as Osama Bin Laden, and negotating with any one of them will be a big mistake for world peace, especially for the Indian sub continent. These terrorists should either be captured and condemned to hang to death or simply they should be killed.

    March 13, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
  30. AB

    All Hamid Gul wants is to legitimize Taliban. he also wants to cement the role of Pakistani Army as go between as well as their influence in Afghanistan. Taliban desires to control all of Central Asia and India. People who think that Al Queda, Taliban, and their cohorts will suddenly become quiet are living in dreamland.

    March 13, 2010 at 8:36 am | Report abuse |
  31. rob brander

    well folks, here we all go again!! its our [american] way or the right way. 9years later and we're still sitting around discussing this mountian and desert version of vietnam.TIME is on their[taliban's] side. its been proven that these guys are patience fighters,they don't care about their own casualties,thats also been fokes are financially destroying your selfs from the insideout and don't even see it coming.washington is dumping billions of your tax dollars[on loan of course from the chinese] into blackwater and haliburton. you americans should be proud of the fact that at the same time your building schools in afghanistan,the state of missouri is going to have to close half its schools,due to lack of money[12 other states education programs are also about to implode on themselves also]so fokes when your tucking your kids to bed at 7 in the evening, because they have to be driven 50 miles to go to school just remember one thing there's always the military academies,they don't seem to have a financial crunch!!you americans are destroying yourselfs from the insideout and you want the rest of the world to follow your democratic ways.yes fokes TIME has a wide spectrum,a talibans fighters will and on the other side a countries financial crisis. just remember its the american way or the right fokes have a nice evening watching CNN or FOX news channel. yours inteligently a proud canadian

    March 13, 2010 at 6:56 am | Report abuse |
  32. Ultra

    ISI May Have Check-mated CIA.....

    Its time for US to talk to Talibans....THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF AFGHANISTAN....

    March 13, 2010 at 4:19 am | Report abuse |
  33. chester

    It may not be a bad idea to talk to Mulla Omar as he is the one with muscles.If we get him on our side then perhaps he will help rid of the Al Qaida, the real culprit.

    March 12, 2010 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
  34. A. Smith, Oregon

    From the most creditable source in the entire Afghanistan-Pakistan region, 'Retired Gen. Hamid Gul, a former head of the ISI spy agency, worked with the CIA through the 1980s to fund and train the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets. Many of the Mujahedeen went on to govern Afghanistan as the Taliban, who are led by Mullah Omar.'

    Some of us has year after year STATED the CIA trained and funded and created the Taliban, and the nefarious Pakistani ISI agency to combat the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan from 19880-1990. AND Osama bin Ladin, Mullah Omar were on the CIA Payroll's. American Taxpayer money was given by the CIA to both Osama bin Ladin as well as Mullah Omar at least up until 1990.

    Who funded, trained to create IED's and equiped the Taliban?
    THE CIA and they used American Taxpayer money.

    March 12, 2010 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
  35. John in BR

    The ignorance is amazing...

    "Empower your people instead of turning them into heroin addicts and then making them blow themselves up for allah."

    THEY are not the heroin addicts WE are. The poppy goes to Russian 'organizations' that produce the heroin and then sell it to the Americans via Europe (mostly). So ultimately we are supplying the cah that is funding the terrorists – not to mention the oil money they get from us.

    Lenin once said, “The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”

    What a fool, no wonder he failed. What he should've done was simply have the capitalists FINANCE the rope with which to hang the capitalists.

    March 12, 2010 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Simon

    In the battle between good and evil, only the side that is CONSISTENT will win. The religious fundamentalist terrorists (regardless of religious persuasion) have been much more consistently evil than the US, which has been inconsistenly good. Today, the image of the US is that it is a wishy-washy do-gooder that it can be taken advantage of. US is probably the worst, most gutless negotiator in the world.

    There should be NO compromise. The US need not bring democracy to these countries, just eliminate threats effectively, decisively, and with no backing down. Don't bog down soldiers with diplomatic roles – let them do their job: go in, destroy the terrorists. If the terrorists decide to hide behind women and children, let them. All good people don't want to harm innocents, but there is no moral issue in going through women and children to get at the terrorists – after all, the US didn't initiate terrorism. They did. By hiding behind innocents, they are the full recipients of bad karma. What's worse, the 'decent people' in those countries allowed the problem to fester. They (the 'decent men' in those countries) need to understand that if their women and children perish in these wars, it is their fault for allowing terrorists and religious extremism to flourish.

    The response of the US has to be so effective, quick, and brutal that religious countries everywhere should quake in their shoes and take immediate measures to root out fundamentalism in their own regions. As someone else remarked in these comments, religion is a private affair. It should never be allowed to turn into a public affair.

    Also, US should get out of the UN, which is a joke. The spectacle of the planet's more powerful country seeking 'permission' from a bunch of spineless cowards is obscene in the extreme.

    March 12, 2010 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Daniel

    Due to all this lynch mob talk about killing,I see that the right-wing news media has been quite successful in instigating a great deal of hatered and war fever.The Rpublicans and blue-dog Democrats must be feeling extremely elated by all this,whereas i find it quite sickening.Isn't this what happened in Germany and Italy back in the 1930's???

    March 12, 2010 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Enver Khorasane

    In WWII the Americans and the British both had constructive dealings with the Sicilian Mafia before and after the taking of the Island. Why not now? This too is war. Didn't Mulla Omer eradicate opium and other contrabands in Afghanistan? Is that an act of a BAD guy? You guys have not yet spoken to him. Or you guys have some other agenda and throwing this excuse as a red herring.
    Enver Khorasanee

    March 12, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Abdul Aziz Mohmand

    Hamid Gul is on the pay roll of Al Qaeda like Nawaz Sharif and they are working for the agenda of insurgents to support them in any cost. Recently Punjab government has releasd all wanted terrorists from the Punjab jails and for this purpose, Nawaz Sharif party have got money from the Al-Qaeda who are killing innocents people even children of Pakistan. Nawaz Party and his MNAs, and MPAs are involved in local serious crimes like kidnapping and killing the opponents.They are enemies of humanity. Drone attacks are the best policy and these Drone attacks can be killed to Hamid Gul and Nawaz Sharif if world community wants to eliminate the insurgents over the world.

    March 12, 2010 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
  40. literati

    Taliban may well be less militant then Al Quaeda, but being female living under the control of either group, would be beyond the tolerance of any American woman.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Mark Joachim

    To those who claim to be on the side of justice but demand Omar's and others' heads on a platter: change all references to the "Taliban" to "Bush" in your post, and then tell me that it's not fact. We used chemical weapons in Iraq. See the BBC's expose on the deformed children born in fallujah since we attacked them. It's all relative. To us, they are terrorists. To them, we are terrorists.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
  42. C. K, Justus

    Fighting will not win. It may stop the insurgency for a while but as we leave, they will begin to reorganize and arm themselves and in time they will bring the people under their control.

    We need a poetical solution if anything concrete will ever last in Afghanistan or any other country for that matter. If Karzi can talk and have a good agreement with those who are willing to become part of the country and will have some pride in having a country and government they like and will support against insurgencies from without or within, then they should start the talks as soon as possible.

    I would say the present Afghanistan people should have strong police force and military before they start giving too much power to any group.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
  43. Spike

    Horrible War is.....However somtimes it's a necessity as History has shown us. I just hope it all ends soon and then Legalize Medical Marijuana and start healing. All the way around.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Ali Rao

    Taliban's are fighting for the sovereignty for their country. Their country has been attached by foreign forces, Allied forces must have to talk to them if they don't we will see soon what we saw in Vietnam. Almost 3 thousand civilians died in 9/11 attack and more then 3 million afghans have been died after the war. Whose loved ones have died, wont they take revenge from Allied forces. The production of Opium is at the Top, in Taliban's era it was 0. US has already put 100's of billion in this war but still no result. Taliban has still hold on 70% of Afghanistan.
    The world has to separate Al Qaida and Taliban, need to put bullet in the head or in ass of Al Qaida but need to talk to Taliban and tribes man. This is the only way to win the war.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Muhammad

    USA and its allies has been killing thousands of muslims on the pretext of "war against terrorism"..labelling muslims as terrorist...and created an atmosphere of uneasiness in all aspect of life for 1.5 billion population (muslims) which happen to be human being also... the problem is USA is using machines against human to pursue their plans( God knows what are these)... 1.5 billion human has to find solution to make their life worthwhile against these machines(military armaments) and offcourse human behind them... osama bin ladin and omar without any doubt are on the paylist of USA....

    March 12, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
  46. Sharon Hughes

    I am always amazed at the level of ignorance – although not all comments here are hateful and ignorant without question.

    Firstly, we are all human beings, and the best way to communicate is always face to face talking. Bombs have never solved anything. In fact, bombs in Afghanistan are ruining the lives of current and future generations of innocent people.

    I am so thankful to have hear Greg Mortensen recently talk about how the US Military is listening to what he knows about the societies of the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He has been working there for nearly 20 years now. His book Three Cups of Tea is now required reading for all officers serving in the region, and he talks about the relationships you build with people – which starts with talking (and tea) and how that is the only way to get them to trust you and work with you.

    These people are beyond poor, and live so remotely that they are cut off from the rest of the world. How does marching in with bombs and threats make them want to do anything for the west or trust us? It is only by talking, finding common ground in our humanity and working together can change come about. We are all the same – humans and we just have different circumstances and are taught different things. And if the bad guys got there with their message first how does bombing help get the other message out there???

    Lastly, for the memory of all those who have given their lives so unselfishly – it would NEVER be an insult to their memories to attain peace. THAT'S WHY THEY WERE THERE!!

    March 12, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  47. literati

    The reference to Attaturk of Turkey is interesting. The reconciliation method also worked well for Joe Stalin. If you are trying to indicate that Turkey has solved all of their problems with radical views, you are basing your judgement on not having full knowledge of daily life in the region
    Currently, the US congress has decided to take a stand and have a position on the proported massacre of Armenians by Turkey in the WW I era.

    This is so perfectly timed and timely, when you consider our popularity in this region and much of the rest of the world. Perhaps they could offer a resolution scolding us for our massacre of the native american population, and confiscating their land.

    Both seem to be of roughly equal relevance and nearly as timely.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Bruce

    Of course, that's it. It's all Bush's fault. LOL

    March 12, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Ficheye

    "It is years from now. The united states, crippled by debt and weary from political infighting, has just sold off one quarter of its unpopulated areas to quell the outrage over its foreign debt.There seems to be no other solution. Americans are weary. Even though there are still many who cry out for more war, there are more yet who finally realize that war and the struggle over resources has finally brought us to out knees. Danger is still percolating, however, and ultra-religious factions are increasing their demands for a 'final solution', still believing that the end is near and that bringing on armageddon is the answer."

    This is not survivor. We need to learn to manipulate the situation we are in to the best possible outcome for the nation. The eternal warmongers are wrong... they, and their crippled mentality will bring us further pain both financially and emotionally. As one poster said here, it is time to offer an olive branch. Swallow our pride for the future of our children. And just deal with it.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Matt

    The Taliban is not necessarily viewed as a terrorist group in the middle east, many people receive assistance from the Taliban and consider them good people. This is the reason that we MUST talk Omar if at all possible. Think of them as the KKK, they do still exist but have changed their practices to abide by the law (at least publicly). This is what the Taliban needs to do and by refusing to acknowledge them as a power is a slap in the face, they will NEVER EVER respect western civilization unless we acknowledge them as human beings. We cannot kill people fast enough, for every person we kill two more people will join their forces.

    This logic goes against everything every kid was ever taught in school, if you have a problem with someone try and talk it out. If that doesn't work then you may have to resort to violence if necessary. We will never be able to avenge 9/11 unless the entire Taliban gets together in a stadium and we blow it up so lets just try to get out while were ahead. Please, this has gone on for long enough. The longer we're at war the more the Taliban wins!

    March 12, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
  51. joey

    it's these kind of statements that reflect on 50% of america. clearly trying to kill or destroy the taliban has not been working and probably won't work. you can't kill their mind state, you cant kill them, their children, and their children's children, it's a pretty daft viewpoint. let's wait 10 more years then. 1000's and thousand's of more dead soldiers, maybe diplomacy will make more sense then

    March 12, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Calvin

    People in America and around the world are so IGNORANT to other people's culture and way of life. We think we can impliment our DEMOCRATIC ways on everyone. First off we need to understand life for people that live in the conditions that do in Afghanistan. What the media tells us is not always the truth.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Eric

    If we make peace with Omar, thats just going to create more problems in the future, you know they are going to try to regroup get more money and then couse problems again, see there idiology and religion doesn't allow them to have peace with anyone thats not in there religion. we need to understand that...

    March 12, 2010 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Juan SUero

    Of course they want to negotiate... thier getting thier butts kicked.
    You want peace? Turn yourself in or Osama.
    Empower your people instead of turning them into heroin addicts and then making them blow themselves up for allah.
    Treat women with respect.
    All that or we just crush you into oblivion
    Good Job Barack Obama!!!!!

    March 12, 2010 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
  55. steve


    I will buy your one way plane it if you take it over there..........what a stupid thing to say.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
  56. mike

    Ken, first of all that person probably is not from Afghanistan, anyone can write that. Second, rescuing people from a brutal force? I wouldnt say that is what we do best being that we have failed miserably in Iraq.

    What bothers me is how many so called Christians can say the most hatred and racist things about a group of people the know nothing about. Calling for the deaths of Muslims makes you the EXACT same as the Jihadists.

    March 12, 2010 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
  57. HelloTampa

    Sorry, the Taliban must disappear. No negotiations.

    March 12, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Major T

    The "father of the Taliban" can talk until he passes out. Save your breath. These people will never listen to us. They will never change. Why try to change something that has not changed in over 2,000 years?

    March 12, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
  59. raj

    We have achieved almost nothing in Afganistan in the last 10 years. Afgan President Karzai is a failure. Peace with Omar and his Taliban outfit may be the only option so that we can leave.

    Otherwise we will be stuck in Afganistan for the next 50/100 years with no results. Time is not on our side. 350 million US citizens taking on a billion Muslims is a loosing proposition.

    March 12, 2010 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Barta

    For all those bringing up the vietnam war and saying we lost that war cause the will of the people are dumb, we fought that war with the dumbest war strategy to date. In a war you take ground and you keep it. Second those saying we should negotiate with these idiots are also dumb, why because they clearly are losing the fight and losing their foothold in afghanistan, otherwise why else haven't they come to the negotiating table before. One General yamamoto after he ordered the attack on pearl harbor in ww2 said it best when the taliban attacked us on 9/11 all they did was wake a sleeping giant.

    March 12, 2010 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
  61. runswithbeer

    You have to ask yourself, what would Jesus do?
    The folks talking extermination here aren't the ones who will have to actually do the killing.
    It's time to offer an Olive Branch.

    March 12, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Thanos

    Warfare is the greatest affair of state, the basis of life and death, the Tao to survival and extinction. It must be thoroughly pondered and analyzed. - Sun Tzu

    March 12, 2010 at 12:33 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Dave

    "Who is a terrorist really depends on which side you are on" – or who is in whose country. Anyone in our country is considered a terrorist. Are you people so narrow minded that you would think citizens of other countries should think the US are not terrorists when we kill thousands of innocent people over and over again and when we have no right to be there in the first place?

    March 12, 2010 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Piparpuria

    I believed and thaught that Mr. MUsharraf was the 'father' amd Mr. Gul was the 'mother'. But be as it may. US must anihillate the whole apparatus (ISI and its present and previous commanders including Mr. Gul) Only then US will get a sound advise from Pakistan authorities. Untli then only lip service and occasional 'flowers' (Key figures arrested) at oppurtune times to divert attention and no real progress. Obama adm is been hoodwinkled every step of the way as was his predecessor.
    Thank you.

    March 12, 2010 at 12:29 pm | Report abuse |
  65. JO

    This is a culture where loyalties change based on the perception of "who's winning'. This is a culture where loyalty can be easily bought, but only temporarily. If Mullah Omar thought it was in his personal best interest, he would order the Taliban to stand down. This has nothing to do with nationalism, it is entirely self-interest and power. We need to realize that and use it.

    March 12, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Dave

    ESP is right except my guess is we want the opium to subdue our inner cities and for the CIA to fund itself AND to protect our oil interests in the area. We Americans have no problem killing people if there is large amounts of money involved. Just call them evil and everyone is OK with it. Even the so called Christians who believe it is a mortal sin to kill. But if they are evil, well then, nuke them all! Religion – the root of all evil! Opiate of the masses...

    March 12, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
  67. lork

    Honestly, the true source of information on how the taliban work comes from the locals. Dont depend on media for the absolute truth on how the taliban functions.

    The taliban functions based on a ideology or, the interpretation or misinterpretation of the Koran. You cannot kill a idealoligy unless you some how persuade the head of the taliban to change there ways in how they treat the rest of the world.

    You can kill oma or osmaa, and some one else with the same idioligy will replace them.

    If the us did not have such a big stake in SADI ARABIAN OIL, then the term "occupier on relgios soil" would have never occurred. US needs to find a new way of energy independence or wars like this will be a common occurrence in the near future.

    March 12, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Ken H

    To me, the following post says it ALL. The rest of you naysayers need to pay attention to WHAT AN AFGAN NATIONAL WANTS.

    I am from Afghanistan living in America now. I can tell you from experience that you cannot negotiate with animals. It is like trying to reason with a dog. How can you expect to have a conversation with a dog? Talibs are animals. THE TALIBAN MUST BE EXTERMINATED. IT IS THE ONLY WAY!!
    Posted by: Afghan

    This to me is reason enough to support the afgan people in their fight against the taliban. They want to be rescued from an oppressive ruling force. Is that not what america does best?

    March 12, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  69. SamNorth

    It's very interesting to see how many Ignorante, racist, and dumb people are sharing their view by these posts. I am pretty sure they are Republicans. Hahaha.

    March 12, 2010 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
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