February 12th, 2010
07:46 AM ET

Bodies believed to be 'honor killing' victims

KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) - Four people found dead in a southeastern Afghan compound appear to be victims of an honor killing, a senior U.S. military official said on Friday.

The bodies were discovered during an operation by Afghan and NATO-led forces in Paktia province, a volatile region along the border of Pakistan. NATO's International Security Assistance Force said the bodies of two men and two women were found, with the women bound and gagged, and the U.S. official said the people were shot "execution-style."

An honor killing is a murder carried out by a family or community member against someone thought to have brought dishonor onto them. The U.S. official said it isn't clear whether the dishonor in this case stemmed from accusations of acts such as adultery or even cooperating with NATO forces.

"It has the earmarks of a traditional honor killing," said the official, who added the Taliban could be responsible.

Afghan and NATO officials are investigating the incident, which occurred in the village of Khatabeh in the province's Gardez district. The operation unfolded when Afghan and international forces went to the compound, which was thought to be a site of militant activity. A firefight ensued and several insurgents died, several people left the compound, and eight others were detained.

Paktia is the same province where a military base was the target of an assault that wounded five U.S. soldiers on Thursday, authorities said. Both the U.S. official and a Paktia province spokesman confirmed that a suicide attacker, apparently wearing police garb, carried out the action. The U.S. official said it may never be fully determined if the uniform was stolen or the bomber was a turncoat.

On December 30, a suicide attack on a U.S. base in Afghanistan killed seven CIA officers and a Jordanian army captain. The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, also on a base in eastern Afghanistan.

–CNN's Barbara Starr contributed to this report.

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  1. Halabi

    I completely agree with Eric.American propaganda,like over a 65,000 foreign forces are not killing civilians.

    February 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm | Report abuse |
  2. MsBajanLaldy

    The crusades occurred between the years 1147–1149, in the last 1,000 years or so, we as a people have evolved. Although, the may not have been massive stockpiles of WMD, the attack on 9/11, the bombing of the Marines barracks, the attacks against Americans throughout the world demands a strong, swift, strategic response in order to deter any person or persons from coming here in the USA to try that $hit again.

    Got bullet – I pull trigger- you sound like an infected cyst on the ass of a decaying, dying wildebeest. I offer my humble apologies to the wildebeest of the world, you @ss.

    What is loving about a religion or group of men that believe and act out "honor killings" against women, or marry 11 and 12 year old little gilrs and bed them as their fricking wife. Then, when the little girls become pregnant, some die in pregnancy the prick goes ahead and friends another little 11 or 12 year old girl and does the same thing. Why don't you offer up your daughter(s), nieces, grands to your oh-so-loving-innocient Muslims.

    February 12, 2010 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
  3. world

    Bong... you're saying that if you live in a democratic country, you should be shot or hanged for exercising your rights? I believe you are the pointless, uneducated rambler

    February 12, 2010 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
  4. RICH H.

    If you modify the content, other than grammar and such, please don't post it.

    February 12, 2010 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Logic

    @ Bong
    Your ideas sound much more dangerous than Eric's – or anyone's. Freedom of speech is a fundamental right that should never be taken away. I may not agree with what is said (or I may – that's not the point), but I certainly agree that he has the right to say it. With that said, I also believe that you have the right to say what you just said; however, it is MUCH more dangerous of a belief to wish murder upon someone for speaking their mind. Please maintain basic human freedoms (at least the ones that we have) and try to be a bit more open-minded.

    February 12, 2010 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Edwin


    Do you really think that Eric should be arrested for treason in the US, for writing his opinion? You might think his comments are drivel, but do you really understand ANYTHING about US law and the nice little First Amendment to our constitution?

    You might want to think before you write.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Edwin

    @Steady Eddie,

    If you think Islam is violent, consider the sheer number of violent acts of terror committed by Christians around the world, now and in the past. Consider the Oklahoma City bombers and maybe the IRA (Irish Republican Army).

    As for these "honor killings" - it might have been Taliban (radical Islamic group) or it might have been others. Afghanistan has a LOT of different religions. One official said the Taliban *might* be responsible.

    Every major religion in the world has thugs and terrorists doing its bidding. Every major religion also has peaceful and decent people working to help others and make the world a better place.

    Islam is not more violent than Christianity. It is just that the crazy ones make the news.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
  8. MoonDoggie

    It is not religion that is responsible for human death and suffering. It is the inability of people to accept the belief systems of others. People are very threatened when others don't agree with them. Everyone must agree with them, because their beliefs must be right. RIGHT? And if you don't agree, well then you are wrong and must be corrected so you see things my way, the RIGHT way. Right!?

    February 12, 2010 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Fatima

    "Honor killings" is not part of Islam, but a cultural practice in some parts of the world, including many non-Muslim communities. Adultery is a punishable crime in Islam, but you need 4 EYE witnesses before someone can receive the death penalty for it. Think about it – 4 EYE witnesses – a person has to be brazenly adulterous to be punished by death. There is alot of room for forgiveness if people commit mistakes, but are repentful. No where in Islam does it say you can kill someone just because they've disgraced the family somehow. This is purely a cultural innovation in some parts of the world (including non-Muslim communities), and there are alot of misconceptions that this is part of Islam, when it is NOT.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Jed

    The best intelligence at the time said there were WMDs in Iraq, but it doesn't even matter. The truth is that Saddam's regime should have been toppled immediately and automatically for attacking Kuwait without cause and for violating many U.N. resolutions. Those two facts alone are enough.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Hiro Protagonist

    Come on, everyone. "Eric" is clearly a Taliban associate, probably writing, fractured English and all, from Pakistan. He's a lost cause, and gets nothing but joy from all the actual, non-death-worshipping human beings responding in anger to his post.

    Remember, as always: "Don't Feed the Troll."

    Oh, what the heck, I'll feed the troll: Eric, you useless, ignorant, sanctimonious pustule, crawl back into your madrassa and spare us your asinine verbal vomit. No one cares or will ever care what you think about anything.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
  12. jeff

    Religon will be the cause of the end of the human race!We cannot progress any further as a race(human) untill the people of the world realize that religon is a man made thing and not something handed down from the heavans by a superior being!
    An old fool

    February 12, 2010 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Mike

    @Eric. Keep telling the truth, brother, even if nobody wants to hear it. Don't worry about the haters.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Sonja

    You know, every time something like this is posted, the people that like arguing and attention crawl out of the woodwork. Then half the posts perpetuate the argument or insult the attention-seeker.

    Let's focus on what's important: people died. People die every day. Usually their relatives and husbands aren't the ones killing them, let alone for something so minor as acting like a possible embarrassment for the family (being the unwilling victim of a crime such as rape is embarrassing for the family, by the way). That is sad and disgusting, but the truth. It happens in similar cultures– often. Let's face it, similar things were condoned in our culture not too long ago. Cultures change. Slowly. Trying to force them to change won't succeed.

    You can't force people to act how you want them to. Not without a lot of resentment and rage building up, which will backfire on you, eventually. You can "free" people.. just to have them turn to another dictator. Throwing your weight around usually accomplishes little in the long run. (Feel free to strike those that attack you and yours, however.)

    What I'm saying is.. this is sad, sick, but likely the truth. Arguing about how the people died or why won't change the fact that they're dead. Saying the religion or culture that condones their deaths is wrong.. well, everyone interprets the words of their god (or gods) differently. Blame the people that do this, not the religion.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Dave in Connecticut

    I think the point is that we rely so much on the media/press to tell the story of whats really going on over there. The media sometimes has their own agenda and sometimes we don't get all the facts. Remember Vietnam? I do believe the Nato alliance is there trying to do some good and lets hope someone doesn't try to make a buck off these good deeds as in Iraq.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Cyg

    Its well known that behind any war – is a corporation. Get rid of the GOP (Greed's Our Policy), and the war ends. If money wasn't to be made – we wouldn't have given Saddam a second look. We aren't freeing anyone from anything – we're there to make money people.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  17. whosgod

    what do you mean "God will punish them"? They did it for God, that's the problem. 19 men flew plans into building for God. There are literally millions dead over the course of modern human history in the name of God. That's just the problem, Dogma makes you crazy.

    February 12, 2010 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  18. LouieD

    Hey Eric: I am an American and it's not we who are "renowned for lying", it's the Bush Administration. Not the best group to represent us, I know. I agree that Afghan civilian casualties should not be referred to as "collateral damage." Given Afghanistan's cruel and backwards culture , the casualties should be referred to as "mercy killings" or "doing the rest of the world a favor."

    February 12, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
  19. ASW


    You are obviously a very naive individual. Have a fun stupid life.

    February 12, 2010 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
  20. eno1

    Mr. Bong.... You are not forced to read anything ... a new article is just a clik away

    February 12, 2010 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
  21. eno1

    Eric....yeap!! you are a full blown IDIOT!!!

    February 12, 2010 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Amy

    Mix religion and politics ... and you get ... Sarah Palin. Mix any religion and weapons ... and you get ... needless killing.

    February 12, 2010 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Dan


    sounds like you need to go over there and see the truth. To blaitantly call everything a lie shows one-sided bias. Not sure where you are from, but if you don't like the US move out.

    February 12, 2010 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Withheld By Request

    Oh, well . . . just think what the world would be like if nobody ever died!

    February 12, 2010 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Soraya

    Islam does NOT support honor killings. Educate yourself before making comments like that. Do not confuse culture with religion. Even the laws regarding adultery are very similar to the ones in Judaism, and to be convicted and punished for it, you need four witnesses. That's not very likely. Islam is the most just and peaceful and beautiful way of life, if only you knew...Talk to some Muslims and read trustworthy sources and then post a comment about Islam.

    February 12, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
  26. available-time

    @ bong: re-read you own comments and tell me how you are any different then the narrow mindsets of the people we are trying to protect the Afghani people from. You disagree, so you think he should be put "in front of a firing squad"?? Maybe you should have paid a little more attention in class before you call someone else uneducation. The freedom I serve my country to protect consists of people having the right to say what I do agree with or what I do not agree with. That's freedom.

    February 12, 2010 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Dan

    I wonder if Eric, with all his talk about American lies, and his obvious contempt for America, would hazard a complaint about the Taliban should he disagree with anything they did, if they were in power wherever he was writing this? My guess is no, or his precious Taliban would lop off his head. Maybe hang him on a soccer net in some stadium closed as an affront to Allah. He knows this to be the truth, of course, so he will naturally deny it. Odd.

    February 12, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Student

    I think nobody should blame the religion.Honour killing has nothing to do with the religion.Its just the a sick deed of sick people.There are lots of things that people do and we quickly jump on to the conclusion that their religion is to blame. No religion supports honour killing.

    February 12, 2010 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
  29. One shoe missing

    Does this surprise anyone?

    February 12, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
  30. RICH H.

    Kill kill kill That's all they do and focus on, killing!!! It's a Hell on earth.

    I'm so surprised the people who live under these shameless self promoted “religious” dictators don't revolt. I mean, what do they have to lose as they or someone they love will sonner or later die for some ridiculous reason.

    To give press time to these weak, shameless cowards who use children and women as human kill tools while they hide in their caves and tents needs to stop.

    Please… It’s the press they receive is why they kill innocents. If they really felt for the cause, or their heritage, they’d sacrifice themselves instead of babies ,women and innocent men. Historically these type of things did not happen. Sure, there were always murders and brutality but not in the practice these cowards are now running rampant with.

    This makes any decent human whether Moslem, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, atheist , or whatever sick and very sad.

    February 12, 2010 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
  31. gabe

    Sounds like eric should move to afganistan right away..maybe with some luck you can carry out some of these "honarable" murders, and maybe you will fall into a big hole and no one will care.

    February 12, 2010 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Blah


    You're delusional with your statements regarding Christians killing hundreds of thousands of Jews during WW2. You cannot classify/group the Allies nor the Axis as Christians. The war was never about religion or a crusade. Sure Hitler executed a genocide on Jews but it is irrelevant to a particular religion. It is more related to race than religion.


    You shout treason over a simple opinion made by an ignorant person. Should we hang or execute every uneducated person that decides to make pointless ramblings? If so, you should be next in line.

    February 12, 2010 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Rob

    Eric (if that is your real name) – Is America perfect and does no wrong...far from it, but you are terribly misguided. I don't know how old you are but back in the 80's even good ol' Osama bin Ladin him self was a big fan. Who do you think was helping him hold off the Soviet Union? Now we're big liars and evil. We're not ones strapping bombs to ourselves and killing our own. Cowards.

    @historystudent – Knock Knock.....2010 calling!!!!

    @bong – Eric would be given a box and a bullhorn so that he could say anything he wanted, because THAT is what makes us different from them. It is that freedom that we are fighting to protect. I only wished more people took advantage of it, not just the nutjobs.

    February 12, 2010 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Tiny

    It sounds like Eric needs to pull his head out since he is totally clueless in this matter. Ten to one say's that he has never spent a day in the military and is simply listening to the BS media that only portrays what will increase their ratings. I personally have spent time in Afghanistan and Iraq while in uniform and we would see on a daily basis what the insurgeants did to these people. Granted there were cases of civilians being injured in the cross fire due to the insurgeants using civilians as shields to fire at the military or law enforcement agencies. If he would like to witness first hand, I know the military is hiring and they will be glad to give you an up close and personal tour of the area so you can speak from experience vice arm chair quarterbacking. If you have an issue with false information then start with the media and work your way up to the politicians.

    February 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Robin

    As the mother of a soldier I can tell you Eric that you are really ignorant for your post. The taliban do not care who they kill. men women, children, young old it doesnt matter. The taliban are that bad. You really should think before you act.....You only hear bits and pieces of what is really going on over there. You would be sick if you heard what they do......

    February 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
  36. jan

    Wow this "Eric" dude is really getting way too much attention. The article is about some small town nutjobs murdering their family members. We can't believably claim to be surprised considering the locality and "religion" of the killers. But why does anyone give a damn if "Eric" babbles some drival on the subject? He's only responsible for his personal opinion.....he didn't kill anybody. He's just not very bright but so what?

    February 12, 2010 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Jasvir Singh

    I don’t mean to show any disrespect to any religion or tribe and will condemn my own religion or tribe if it discriminates based on gender. In Islamic world women are oppressed, denied their rights, I think they don’t even have right to go school in most part of world and to masque saying they are not holy and one who give you birth is not holy? It is no a woman’s choice what she wears but a man’s dictation what she should wear. We are no more living in Stone Age. Having feelings for opposite gender is eternal constitution of NATURE. You, the fundamentals, may stop young couples not to intermingle or engage in relationship. I wander if you could delete those feelings from their hearts. Then you are victorious.

    February 12, 2010 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
  38. brent

    That guy eric is a dick, the article is trying to portray the taliban in a bad light? Really? I'm sure there isn't anything good about the taliban at all I wonder what that sentence meant? I think this guy is either a flamer or should probably be watched by someone. By the way I am as liberal as you can get.

    February 12, 2010 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Rich

    That stupid comment by "Eric" is symptomatic of what alot of uneducated Leftist dolts believe. They equate America with Colonialism and blame americans for the deaths of civillians in these Arab or islamic countries when in fact most of the killings are done by Islamic insurgents or terrorists with explosives strapped to their bodies. Eric , ifyou believe that crap, why don't you get the hell out of the US and go live in an islamic country. We don't need people like you here besmirching the work of our armed forces who are putting themselves in harms way. Long live our men and women in Afghanistan and Iraq. I pray they all come home safe and sound to their families

    February 12, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Home Skillet

    TaterSalad, unfortunately that approach won't work I've been hoping for the gang bangers to kill each other off cause the law is doing nothing about them, but it just keeps going on and on like over there. say pull all Nato out and nuke the whole region. Problem solved and no one left to cry. I know that's not an option, but...

    February 12, 2010 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
  41. JFS

    Reading stories like hurts me the most, since I am an Afghan American and have lived most of my life in Afghanista/pakistan. As the rest of the world, there are some ignorant people among us as well and it may be surprising to some of you that, honestly, I sometimes don't blame them for all stupid things they do, and the reason is simple, this is how much they know especially in rural parts of the country, and by no means I am justifying their actions at all and truly believe that this is just pathetic and unforgivable, But once again this is what these youngster know since pretty much over 70% of our current population were raised in chaos, and in times of this endless war especially with the communist super power. Though we were poor, but we were proud of values, and calling events like this, an honor is totally baseless and wrong since it never was a norm.
    In addition, traditions like these have impacted our lifestyles and take on issues from the pakistani side of the border where these rules are still in place and enacted by talibans and i fear that that our people will be suffering from these sorts of events for a long time unless pakistanies are forbidden from crossing the border and making our homes unsafer and most importantly by stopping them destroy the girls schools and other institutions. I hope our people know their true friends, and make their decisions based on knowledge, and justice as well as embrace democracy to understand their freedom and rights.

    February 12, 2010 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
  42. thomas Owen

    Eric, are you stoned or stupid? "hundreds of thousands"? Talk about sensationalism. No WMD's huh? They may not have been found however during over 10 years of Political posturing by the U.S and others since the original Gulf War for a peaceful resolution to the Hussein regime's issues there was plenty of evidence that they existed from his own use of them against his own people (think Kurd's) up to and including testimony by defectors who worked on the program and the weapons. If you were an Arms or Drug dealer and the Government was telling you for 8 months before the invasion, that they were coming for you, would you still have those weapons/Drugs in your house?? Of course not. Please, you would have shipped them elsewhere or buried them. This is the most likely scenario considering that you could dig in the Sands of Iraq for another 10 years and not cover 5% of the country.
    Stop being a Conspiracy theorist and take your head out of your Butt.

    February 12, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
  43. jon

    I guess the reason "honor killings" make news is because it is an accepted part of Mulim life. And we consider it dishonorable and dirty and cowardly and backward. If a woman doesn't wear socks, they beat her (haow stupid can they be? – that's a religion? ha ha ha!). If she is raped, they "kill her' (like they did 2000 years ago in the Bible – with stones – how stone age! Ha ha ha !). In the west we find this atrocious,outrageous, inferior, thus entertaining. That is why in the news. We always like to feel superior. When ti is us? Forget it1

    February 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Wolf

    Ah yes, the land of the free. Right up until you say something that people don't like of course. Whether his statements are true or not is 100% irrelevant, as what you are suggesting is that a person be killed for expressing their opinion. If you live in the US, then you should be ashamed for wiping your self-righteous posterior with the 1st Amendment. You want treason? You want irrational intolerance that would make the Taliban proud to witness? Just look in the mirror. And I am sorry, but no one is forcing you to read anything.

    As for the article, I think FormCritic nailed it. This is how they settle disputes because they have not moved into modern times where objective and impartial laws rule the land. They are working off of centuries-old traditions that are crumbling around them, and in response they are tightening their grip on these traditions with a stranglehold. However, it is only a matter of time before westernization erodes this fervent base of ignorance. The "death to muslims" chants are certainly fun....afterall...everyone loves a little hate, but its not changing anything.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
  45. David

    Eric you are an insular Moron. It is people like you that lived outside the Death Camp at Dachau. Just a few miles from Munich. Whilst they enjoyed Octoberfest at the Hofbreau House, Millions were being slaughtered or worked to death.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
  46. blah blah blah

    yeah yeah my gramar sucks. i get it.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
  47. blah blah blah

    Eric has a point. Youre all just so full of..america the great, american the strong to see past the lies and find out the truth for yoruself. you kill in the name of peace, and in the name of procecting the weak. Go check some facts that arent on your government controlled media. go check out some actual facts about how many cevilians have been killed by american soldiers. Whats truely wrong with the mentality in the USA, is that you believe american lives are worth more then Iraqi lives...you are truely a country without remorse, nor a country willing to admit mistakes. you should all be ashamed of yourself for what you bring to the world.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Stephanie


    I am glad you aren't being fooled, You are the fool. Whatever American motives were in going into this war, we did not go there to kill innocent civilians. Yes, it has happened but was not done purposely. These Taliban are savages, how can you even compare America to them? Not to sound trite, but perhaps you should live there if America is so evil. I'd be interested to hear how you are treated and how your quality of life is. You can find fault with this country, Thank God that is our right here. You won't have that right there so I hope you will be happy!

    February 12, 2010 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Lori

    in response to the comment by number 4.........you say that the taliban are being portrayed in a negative light.......please enlighten people on what the POSITIVE aspects of the Taliban are?...

    February 12, 2010 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Chip H

    To say, "It has the earmarks of a traditional honor killing," said the official, who added the Taliban could be responsible." is just retarded and inflammatory. Then they don't even identify the officer! There are Psyops officers working for both US, CA and UK, operating in theatre, with $10 billions in their budget to spread disinformation, how naive can you get?

    It also could have been US or UK Special Forces that executed them, why doesn't the story say that? It could also have been the Pakistani Army, or drug dealers, or a land dispute.

    What about Jimmy Hoffa, was that an 'honor killing'?

    I guess a post just saying 'Four Afghans Found Murdered" wouldn't even raise an eyebrow, so let's Jingowish it up ahead of Tehran GWOT#4!

    February 12, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Chas in Iowa

    @ Eric: I think you are on the right track. The moral fiber of the US was severely damaged during the Bush era. The Bush administration used the shock of the country after an unprecidented attack on our soil to instill fear in the American public with an all out propoganda attack to justify the war in Iraq.
    The current administration is working very hard to repair the damage done to the image of the USA that was done under the Bush administration.
    I really don't believe the world will forgive or forget until we take Bush, Chenney and Rumsfield to the Hauge to face charges of war crimes.
    Keep the faith Eric not everyone is a right wingnut.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Skyhawk

    Religion is mind control. History is full of it. One ruler covets another ruler's country/welath/wife, etc. and uses religion to justify his "war". "God is on our side" is the mantra except the other guys are saying the same thing. Unfortunately, the radical islamic strategy is to keep the masses uneducated and poor and then brainwash them into believing that paradise, 70 virgins and wealth await them ifn they commit suicide. Exectuing young people for not being able to suppress their sexual desires is a brutal method to make the trip to paradise more enticing. If what the radical islamic teachers are promising is so excrutiatingly beautiful and fulfilling, then why aren't they, the islamic rulers and every other muslim clamoring to do it. It is pure evil which ironically happens when "man" interferes and interprets "divine guidance" for others.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
  53. chris

    BONG: Dumb statement. Is Eric a moron? Possiblly. But perhaps you remember a guy namd Patrick Henry? I'm summarizing here "I don't believe in what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it".

    Take a look at the latest headlines. Iran kills 2 people for being enemies of God. When people are killed for saying what they think, American isn't worth fighting for anymore.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
  54. a Sailor deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom

    I wish I had the power to extract every person living on American soil who has such ill will toward the military. Though some of our service members are not perfect, may become misguided or become mentally “lost,” it is apparent to me and many of my fellow service members that nothing we do is appreciated. For people like Eric and all the others who find pleasure or satisfaction bashing the US Military, do you honestly think you would still be at liberty to run off at the mouth as you do if it were not for those very people you bash willing to do this seemingly thankless job? I am willing to bet you have someone in your family who has served or is serving. Tell them how you feel. In most countries, an honor killing would take place if you embarrassed your family or the leadership of that country. Yes, it really happens. It is as normal to execute members of your family in other countries as it is for you to hug your child in America. If there is one thing most of YOUR military despises is people who have much to say about something they have absolutely NO clue about or have enough experience in where they can offer a valid opinion. WMD’s in Iraq? In retrospect, maybe going into Iraq was a mistake BUT – we did that based on the INFORMATION WE HAD. Saddam did himself nor his people any favors playing games either. His arrogance and preening got him killed.
    Most of us who support America – in sickness and in health – respectfully request that those of you who hate America, your President, your fellow Americans and service members so much – go live elsewhere. Hell, I will take up a collection to assist with your expenses.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Nana

    This is not Islam. Nowhere in the Quran is this written. This is tribalism and at its worst. The phrase 'honor killing' should be in quotes since it is profoundly DIShonorable. The Taliban was and is a tremendous force of evil in the lives of the women unfortunate enough to be caught in it. The suicide rate of women rose through the roof as widows and divorcees were no longer allowed to work, which forced them to watch their children starve to death. The mortality rate from childbirth went through the ceiling as women doctors were no longer allowed to practice and women could only be attended by other women. Education for women was abolished and the penalty for violating that mandate was terrible. One of the first hallmarks of an evil and fanatical regime (whatever the location or religion) is that first the women are crushed. After that, the men not in the power structure. Although the Taliban is currently one of the best (worst) examples, this behavior has occurred everywhere with nearly every 'faith,' Christianity included. Dorothy Park said it well "It's not one d*mned thing after another, it's the same d*mned thing over and over..."

    February 12, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
  56. Wayne Burkett

    I have never gone out looking for a war but went to war in service of my country. I do not believe my country has ever gone to war to take away something that belonged to that country. In every case it has been in the name of freedom and at the request of the people of that country. I have never been ashamed of anything that I or my country has done in any of these foreign lands but now, I think it is time we let them solve their own problems. Yes, let them kill themselves. They can do it without our help.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
  57. mem

    These horrific killings were perpetrated because of the beliefs of a culture. True religious extremism also plays a part in this awful pratice, but until these people work to change what has been ingrained into their cultural beliefs it will continue. America is NOT the boss of the world. It will take other nations along with this country to try and help these places stop these kind of practices. Countries where these practices occur need to be shown the value of "ALL" human life. Remember; you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!

    February 12, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
  58. ChrisS

    HistoryStudent- While your point that peole who profess to be Islamic are not the only people to blame for violence, your understanding that followers of Jesus of Nazareth perpetrated 70,000 rapes and thousands of murders is incorrect. True followers of Jesus Christ would not have committed acts such as these becuase true disciples of Jeses try to live as he did. It is a grave mistake to lump all people who claim to be Christians together in the same way it is incorrect to lump all Muslams together.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Roger


    Isn't it obvious that Eric is an American Taliban! American soldiers have been liberating oppressed peoples for decades. Unfortunately, people oppressed by their religion are like a battered wife who's made to believe that it's all her fault. People need to wise up and think for themselves, not be lead like sheep, by their religious leaders. Religion is a controlling, money pit, held together by its greedy ministers, and flocks of sheep ready to be shorn of their senses and money. Religion has killed more people than any disease or plague in history. Predjudice and hatred are the the cornerstones of religious murder. Be free of it! Be a good person because you want to be, no other reason. It does feel good.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Scott

    Lest we forget the history, it was the U.N. Security Council that adopted Resolution 661, a resolution that imposed stringent economic sanctions on Iraq. After the end of the 1991 Gulf War, those sanctions were extended and elaborated on, including linkage to removal of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), by UN Resolution 687. So it was not that WMDs were created out of thin air by the Bush administration.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  61. shanaman

    Why blame only Islam. Christians in Bosnia officially raped 70,000 Muslim women. Christians during the 2nd crusade killed everybody in Jerusalem – men, women, kids, old – all blood bath in one day. They own the largest stockpile of nuclear arms in the world – combined, the Christians killed hundreds of thousands Jews during the second world war, they killed their own by the millions – did you forget the inquisition? The list goes on and on...

    Posted by: HistoryStudent

    So lets kill our own to make up for it, no one is winning this and never will! Both sides locked in a sensless war that neither can win, including the innocent. They are killed to make a point, after a mistake in information or just to make an example of. When do will we wake up???????? How many future scholars and scientist have already been murdered for a faith or to defend one? Think about it, only then can we move forward to mankinds next evolution.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Disgusted

    Honor killings are a fact in Muslim countries. Someone on here commented that this article is shocking. How? Someone is surprised this is happening in Afghanistan? Its a Muslim country. Its a disgusting, uncivilized act that, according to some stories, is a mere misdemeanor in Jordon. In a disorganized country like Afghanistan, why would it be different?

    February 12, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Chris

    History student, First of all Hitler killed Jews not for 'religious reasons' as you would imply. It was because of his bizarre racist ideology, and pseudo scientific ones. The hierarchy within the Nazi party was not Christian at all even if the majority of Germans were Christian. The Christian world killed eachother not because of religion. Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin... NONE OF THEM killed millions over Christianity. Dont defame my religion. Of course the crusades were wrong. Muslims butchered so many christians in their conquest of christian lands. In our religious texts it never states to kill anyone, on the contrary it states thou shalt not Kill and pray for thy enemies... quite contrary to the Quran.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  64. brodsta

    Bong: i agree

    February 12, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  65. LJ

    500 tons of Yellow Cake, used for nuclear purposes, was secretly shipped out of Iraq and finally announced when the operation was completed. The stuff was shipped to Canada. Didn't hear about that from your local new service did you. So the lie you speak of wasn't a lie. Saddam didn't know what he had and didn't have because everyone lied to him as well.

    As far as religion being the problem, it isn't the religion, it's the power and politics they gain from playing the religion card. The religion really isn't the problem. It still comes down to the people in charge.

    Do you know what the difference is between a militant and a civilian? Thy guy that didn't get shot picks up the weapon from the one on the ground that is dead and he has gone from being a militant to a civilian martyr.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Craig Holstein

    Message to Eric! Governments throughout history have engaged in questionable actions. The U.S. is one of the least prolific of these nations. We are a nation of laws and pride ourselves on our humanitarian indevors. The fact that you have such hate is understandable. I hope you will go beyond your hate and try to work for a solution to the problem instead of becoming the problem.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  67. HistoryStudentisanA$$


    I know I don't blame Islam, but defending Islam by merely passing the blame to Christians is no way to support your obvious agenda. A blame game does not help any cause, and because something in history happened, does not mean the same applies for current Christians....It's like saying all Germans are evil because there country was once a Nazi-run government, your logic simply does not fly.

    I don't blame Islam, I blame the individuals regardless of religion that are capable of monstrosities such as these. A blanket statement about a particular religion is also illogical because the religion rarely is a guideline for their actions. Rather, their personal motives are what drives them.

    Think more critically next time you post.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Carl

    Backwards people. They should all be blown back into the 8th century.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
  69. truth

    History student, the Russians have the biggist nuke stock pile I believe. It was the largest before the USSR broke up and I think it still is. Funny you should go back in time so far to speak of Christians killing. How far back do you want to go to try and justify Islamic insanity? Besides, if you took a look at history before the Crusades you would see why they took place; to bad everyone forgets or are too lazy to look. Christians did kill many Jews, I see the Muslims hate to be in second place in this race.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  70. DJ

    oh...and Saddam Hussien was the weapon of mass destruction!!!!!!

    February 12, 2010 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Michael Dean Gold

    Every day we see evidence – every day – that we are fighting the same enemy we fought in WWII. They speak a different language, don't wear uniforms, claim a different God – but make no mistaek, its the same crazies with the same goals as the Germans and Japanese of the 1940s, and will require the same result. As FDR said on Dec. 8, 1941, "... no matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory."

    Michael Dean Gold
    San Diego, Ca.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
  72. Benswa

    History Student – you are right and I totally agree with you. All organized religions kill, but, keep in mind that right now the US is in a showdown with the Taliban and Al Quaida who happen to be Muslim and who happen to want to wipe us off the face of the earth.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |

    Eric why don't you join the Taliban. They could use you in Marjah.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
  74. Benswa

    Eric, if you feel that way about America and Americans, you should live elsewhere. I am a little liberal and a little on the hawk side, depending on the situation. But, I back our country and soldiers 100%. They are there for us. They are brave people. They are ordered to go there. I wonder a lot about the Senators and Congressional sons and daughters – Are any of them serving? How many college students have signed up ?
    Like I'ver said many times, the lower class (economically) are always sent to fight and die for us – We need to back them and we need to be proud of them.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Robert

    Liars? America? They were murdering each other BEFORE we got there. Now that we're there, anyone who dies must have been killed by us? Right. I say enough of "Saving the world from itself." You can murder each other, chose a Socialist system of government and drive your economies into the ground for all I care anymore. Your countries and cultures are rotted and festering from within. Being oppressed? STOP CALLING US FOR HELP!! You're not worth it anymore. You whine too much and your 'friends' who do nothing to help you, always seem to manage at least ONE thing. They join in on the whining.

    Sorry if we killed the bad guys and left a mountain of money for you. Won't happen again. Incompetent Socialist ingrates.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
  76. David


    Pretty interesting that you speak of stuff I know you know nothing about. Lies about WMDs? The general public knows what the government wants them to. There are tons of intelligence operations and groups that work for the government... Just because you don't hear of something doesn't make it true. Same with Obama. He swore to have the troops out but once he got in office, he was privelaged with info that he did not know before. About innocent civilians? During the "actual" war in Iraq, which lasted only a few months, civilian casualties were very low. Only AFTER the war when prior civilians and other religious groups started attacking did the civilian casualty rate go up. NOT because of our tactics, but because of theirs and their need to hide in the wrong spots. Honestly, if it was either I die or I kill a few militants and civilians, you bet I'll kill them. If the armed militants in south-west Asia fought a respectable fight, there would be far less civilian casualties AND the militants would be destroyed. They know this and that's why they fight the way they do, forcing us AND them to generate a higher civi casualty rate. It's not our "war machine" that does it, but the tactics used by the enemy that creates it.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
  77. bong

    @ Eric: If you live in the US or any other NATO country you should be arrested for treason and either hanged or put in front of a firing squad. Your statements are the most uneducated, pointless ramblings I've ever been forced to read.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
  78. HistoryStudent

    Why blame only Islam. Christians in Bosnia officially raped 70,000 Muslim women. Christians during the 2nd crusade killed everybody in Jerusalem – men, women, kids, old – all blood bath in one day. They own the largest stockpile of nuclear arms in the world – combined, the Christians killed hundreds of thousands Jews during the second world war, they killed their own by the millions – did you forget the inquisition? The list goes on and on...

    February 12, 2010 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
  79. AT

    More people die all over the world annually due to drunk driving, suicide and domestic murder than have been killed in the middle east in a year. Food for thought.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |

    This article doesn't suprise me. I say America and NATO pull out of these countries and let these "peaceful" muslims fight amongst themselves. Eventually they will kill each other off.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Kirov

    Eric: You might be a moron.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Claudia, Houston, Tx

    This should be no surprise. Women are subject to death even if they are family members; wives or daughters. There is no honor among these people because they do what they call "honor killing".

    February 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
  83. Cadiz

    The American forces are liberators of people suffering under tyranny around the world. From the battlefields of France to mountains of Afghanistan people should thank God for their bravery.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
  84. FormCritic

    Grow up.

    This has little to do with religion and nothing to do with paranoia about how "Americans are renowned...for their lying." It wasn't about Islam and it wasn't about crazy numbers like "hundreds of thousands" of people killed by collateral damage.

    This was about little, tribal people working out their little, tribal vendettas.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
  85. pbm

    The Taliban has little respect for women, if anyone remembers the horrors they perpetrated on them. How many children died on 9/11? And about 150 Muslims died too in the Towers. How many now die at the hands of suicide bombers in Afghanistan? Yet if it is preceived that civilians died at the hands of Americans it's a crime and Americans are thought of as lying and contempable.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
  86. Cadiz

    Eric, your eyes must be brown since you are so full of it.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Tony

    Where did you get your statistics that hundreds of thousands of innocent people were killed Eric? There may not have been WMD's but I could first handedly tell you that there was no shortage of mass graves in Iraq. When I asked a group of Iraqis about what it was like before the war they told me they believed Sadaam had killed more people than Hitler. Unless those are the hundreds of thousands of innocent people you were refering to your statistics are grossly exaggerated. Believe it or not....not everything America does has secret evil motives.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
  88. elf

    to Eric: The point Steady_Eddie is making is that if we are doing this – we are doing it on to others, not on to ourselves. As far as the scale is concerned – Saddam killed far more Kurds and Iranians and of his oun Iraqis then US. What do you say to that?

    February 12, 2010 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
  89. MegaBman

    Do we know whe the people where?

    February 12, 2010 at 12:40 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Gary Janssen

    No future combatants. Most likely civilians to be intimidated by those cowards

    February 12, 2010 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
  91. Mark

    Eric, you liberal, dumb s*#t, hello, wake up and smell the roses, think...or read, you can't miss it, civilians are dying by the hands of their own people, militants, operating, living outside the law forcing their own laws where there are no American military.
    The death of civilians by the hands of militants far out weigh the deaths caused by our military.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
  92. Annette

    Press TV claims the bodys are ones American forces killed . . . Who knows anything except time to end the war not worth lives on either side

    February 12, 2010 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
  93. Mar

    The hardest part in a Guerilla war is the enemy can blend in as soon as they know they are loosing. Now I read in another News that our Soldiers allow those people in the captive zone to own their guns. That's a great mistake!!! With this situation...they can blend...they can re-arm...attack blend re-arm. This Zone should be considered a Military Zone and No one should own a gun. Confiscate with their name with a promise to return it after the War.

    Our Military should do something about this. God bless America.

    February 12, 2010 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
  94. buckwheat

    I wonder how long it is going to take people to figure that religion is responsible for more deaths in this world than probably all the calamities that has befallen man./Religion has nothing to do with God.Religion is man made to control man and his deeds and to relieve him of his money which surely God does not need..Religion gives man something to look forward to and not think about death and if you give one tenth of your goods one man can sit on his rump and not work.. We can put our self in his hands without killing people in his name.If there is a hell most of us are going to meet there and it will muliti-denominational and Muslims will be welcome also.

    February 12, 2010 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
  95. Dan Chamberlain

    Tragic. Shocking. An every day occurrance just south of Texas and there it doesn't make the news here. Why is that?

    Dan Chamberlain

    February 12, 2010 at 11:20 am | Report abuse |
  96. matt

    How many bodies did they actually find? Four or six? It says "bodies of the two women and two men – who were not bound and gagged" after it says there were "two bound and gagged women".

    February 12, 2010 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
  97. Eric

    The Americans are renowned, throughout the world for their lying, remember the lies about "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq?? On this lie alone hundreds of thousands of innocent people were murdered by the American war machine, they called it "collateral damage". That is the contempt with which the Americans regard innocent civilians of the rest of the world. This story is another one of the American lies. Here the objective is to potray the Taliban in the worst possible light. Remember: "you cannot fool all the people all of the time."

    February 12, 2010 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
  98. Steady Eddie

    Islam, religion of peace?? My @SS!!!!

    February 12, 2010 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
  99. russ327

    many men and women fled the compound. ????? combatants and future combatant breeders????any questions??

    February 12, 2010 at 8:41 am | Report abuse |
  100. bobby

    Only a punk, weak man would kill women. God will punish them!!!

    February 12, 2010 at 8:26 am | Report abuse |
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