Embedded with U.S. troops in Afghanistan, CNN's Nick Paton Walsh captures U.S. troops in action as a military outpost in Taliban territory comes under fire Tuesday and Wednesday.
MORE: Photos of the attack
U.S. troops use mortars first on Tuesday, aiming for Taliban dug into the hills. Machine guns rattle through the air. But the incoming fire on U.S. Combat Outpost Pirtle King is very accurate. Then, four massive airstrikes, as U.S. jets strafe the hills. The Taliban falls silent.
The next morning, it starts again - mortars and RPGs pound the base, and for the second time in 24 hours the base is under attack.
On Afghanistan's eastern border, Kunar Valley is vital strategically. If the Americans leave, militants from Pakistan will flow through the valley. If they stay, then every few days, attacks like those on Tuesday and Wednesday happen.
Related: In the deadly valley of Kunar
hEY SALAMIE WEENIE--hOW ARE YOU AND ALL YOUR BROTHERS, THE TALIBAN CAMEL RAPISTS DOING??DO THE PIGS YOU ARE MOLESTING THE REST OF THE TIME GET JELOUS?BY THE WAY, I HEARD THAT YOUR "TRIBE OF HEATHERNS AND IDOLOTORS TAKE OFFENSE TO BEING REFERRED TO AS TOWEL HEADS, SINCE THOSE ARE ACTUALLY LITTLE SHEETS THEY WEAR AROUND THEIR HEADS. SO FOLKS LETS MAKE IT OFFICIAL--FROM THIS DAY FORTH SALAMIE WEENIE AND HIS "TRIBE" SHALL FOREVER MORE BE REFERRED TO AS "lITTLE SHEET HEADS." WE DO THIS OF COURSE OUT OF THE UTMOST RESPECT –hA HA HA
Hermanson – You stupid. Nobody among the afghans care about your opinion. They are just glad when they kill your soldiers like the 2 killed saturday.
you are above all of us God!!! please help all of us to get our from this mess & save human lives !!!Give wisdom to all of us!! prayers & praises every day in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord Amen!!!
Brian..you are correct too here.
Please stop bothering to respond to Salerno as he is obviously a Devil's advocate, trolling moron who has nothing better to do than argue with ppl who have more common sense than he does. Every time we bother to respond to him, we feed him attention, which he so desperately needs to justify his existence. If we ignore him, he goes away. There is nothing wrong with having differing opinions, that's what is great about this world, the ability to debate topics and discuss valid points, but when someone claims that everything is propaganda that does not agree with his story, he BECOMES propaganda. WIth any luck, if we ignore him, the spaceship that he claims abducted him back in 99 will come back and take him for good. Semper Fidelis.
You are right. Thanks!
It will be hard to ignore because the troll is SUCH an easy target and its pomposity begs to be deflated. But I will cease and desist.
More right-wing bla-bla-bla from you warmongering idiots. I just want to reiterate here that there's no glory in this obscene war just like salerno and Dan say there isn't. Maybe if you people were to go to Afghanistan for a week or so and live among the people over there, you may learn just how wonderful this war is not!!!
And George if you went there pre- 9/11 you would have seen how ungodly the Afghan people were forced to live.
You just might be right, Dan. The average Afghan would have been a lot better off had the Russians won instead of just leaving as Mikhail Gorbachev ordered them to do so. Then again, the Russians faced the same problem then as the NATO forces do today, that is simply that the Afghans do not and never did want foreign rule!!!
I didn't know that the Afghan people were under foreign rule. Who is governing the country?
Are you trying to say Dan, that neither the Americans, the British nor the French are foreigners to the Afghans? Of course they are and the Afghans just want home rule. What's wrong with that?
George, how can you say that the military's there fighting those who want us dead are ruling Afghanistan?
As always happens to you soldiers, you are wrong. I will keep posting and taunting you, even if you do not reply.
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The real issue is how much Taliban leaders want for their crop, they make far much more pushing heroin into the veins of our junkies than they would with Big Medicine wanting to be the middleman for medications. It isn't about freedom, it is about a pricepoint. Otherwise those fields would already have been a smoking pile of ash DEA style.
They are like roaches. You kill 3 over here, you will find 5 more over there....and the dog chases his tail.
great headline 'us troops battle insurgents' ?
should have 'Afghans battle US occupation troops'
Paul...get the heck outta the USA and go suck sand with your brothers
Paul is right.. Wouldn’t you fight an occupying force in your country? I would...
In fact Most Americans would fight any occupying force, a fiercely fight them till they depart.
So why is so hard to understand that Iraqis Agonies, any country you occupied will fight you to the end..
Well put, Paul. Don't let the uneducated lemming below get your goat. He probably has nothing on his mind anyway.
Paul brother hear me out on this one it may seem as if the U.S is an occupying force in reality if you were actually on the ground here you would see all the humanitarian aid we give how the ANA are pretty much running the show themselves with our supervision. We dont take over towns and take peoples houses we are coexisting with them and letting them go about there daily business with little interference. if you knew the truth we cant shoot first we cant even shoot at someone whos anywhere near civilians. so if you still think were occupying go ahead be ignorant but next time actually come see what were doing instead of letting news media brainwash you
1-25 INF ..WELL WRITTEN GREAT POST
As I've said before: the Americans never went to Afghanistan. It's all staged, just like the moon expeditions. Anyone can see the video is shot in New Mexico! :)
Ya great joke... those were my brothers there in my unit just south of us fighting for you... and dont tell me that my friends dying was all staged. what were doing out here isnt staged its real
I think the best option for Afghanistan first is the fedral governments and lets Taliban with its other terrorists control on south and east of the country and the usa should support north and west of the country where still there have not been considered yet by the usa or other forces, although the people of these are very peaceful and love their country and do not go on path which Pakistan shows them,
best regards from Kabul on the ground
Why do people act like the only options are abandoning Afghanistan to the Taliban or fighting forever? There are a lot of countries that we provide financial aid and arms to without actually BEING in the country. Couldn't we support them that way? What about all that money that we used to give to Egypt? Now with Mubarak gone, we have no reason to support them, let's use that money to prop up Karzai's government.
Too much corruption.
And if we leave, you can be sure that the Paks will start funding the Taliban again, just like they did in the '90s.
Honestly, I want to get out of there just as much as the next guy, but we need to be patient.
NucularInternets got it right. We cannot send in money, food, arms and equipment because the level of corruption in Afghanistan is literally unbelieveable. I have seen tankers containing 8000 gallons of diesel leave Kabul, travel 80km to an outpost and arrive _four days late_ with 2000 gallons left inside them. The head of Afghanistan's national bank just abdicated, billions of dollars go missing a year and voter turnout for elections was 165% higher than _the entire population of the country_. Stand-off aid just won't work.
The mind of so-called "military intelligence". Why don't we put the shoe on the other foot and place booby traps where we know they will be? If we KNOW that they are going to be in certain areas then how is it that we do not have those areas covered with things that will rain death? If I KNOW that a sniper is going to sit in certain areas, then why not set up a series of concealed claymores that can be remote detonated or tripwired? C'mon, we taught THEM how to do this sh!t, why aren't WE doing it?
If we are going to go, then we need to burn the hell out of those precious poppy fields at the VERY LEAST. Big Medical wants all of those opiates for the aging Baby Boomers but we can manufacture synthetics can't we?
Use diesel fuel, let it soak the ground really good before lighting it, that way nothing will grow in those poppy fields for a good loooooooong time.
Beef, the problem with land mines is that they have no target discrimination.
The first time a kid chases after his soccer ball and ends up with a face full of claymore shrapnel, we'd see the folly of that decision.
And sowing salt in the fields will only make them starve. They grow poppies because that's where the money is. We need to provide them with an alternative cash crop. I say we, but I mean Karzai. Sadly, Karzai is an even worse leader than Maliki. I guess that's what happens when all the people smart and wealthy enough to do so jump a sinking ship, or are killed for thinking.
The militants are in the hills for the high ground, the only kids there are the goat kind.
As for the cash crop, oh well. Heroin on our streets or drug dealer warlords going hungry, which should I choose? Decisions decisions....
1.) The warlords aren't the ones growing the crops. I doubt they get out there with plows and oxen. They just buy them.
2.) All of Afghanistan is mountainous, hilly terrain. That's why you don't see tanks or bradleys out there. Saying the militants are "in the high hills" is true, but so is everyone else.
Then I HIGHLY suggest that the farmers change their crops. Columbia makes awesome coffee, but they want to grow other crops as well which are frowned upon here as well. We all make our choices. I'll try to be friendly at first to thoe who would rather see me fall, but rest assured, I have but 2 cheeks to turn.
If a competetor trys to muscle into those poppy fields, I am quite sure that those warlords are not going to be the forgiving types, you will see just how quickly they DO belong to them. Just like failing to pay property taxes you will see who TRULLY owns your house.
Sorry Beef sir but TM has it right. The Law of Armed Conflict prevents us from using target indiscriminate weapons, the "kid and soccer ball" example was almost word for word out of the training.
The poppy farmers have no choice about what they grow. While opium is the cash crop if farmers attempted to grow anything else they would quickly find either insurgents or quasi-government enforcers at their door. Their growing season goes up in flames (literally) and the cropper is either punished heavily or arrested.
Burning poppy fields: Can't do it because of the "Win hearts and minds" doctrine in place right now. We make no friends by burning fields a village is using to survive– even if the proceeds of the crop are taken directly out of the country for the opium trade. If you have read a story called the "Prisoner's Dilemma" it almost perfectly describes our situation in Afghanistan:
Farmers grow opium. Opium funds terrorism. If we capitalize on burning fields we create more insurgents.. BUT if we fight insurgents and leave the opium alone we end up with better-funded and supplied enemies. It's a nightmare.
war in the middle east is a big waste of time and money. c'mon fighting terrorist (talibans) who created and trained them in the first place? so whats the plan, kill all of them – never gonna happened, new recruits are pouring in everyday.
how about war on irak? WMD, how many WMD were found? NONE, ZERO, NADA.
and now libya. americans are just producing more enemies, creating more recruits for the terrorists.
$4 trillion in spendings on these wars, why not just spend this at home, making the nation more secure, safe and help poverty.
That's a good question Ichiko! Where were those WMD's?
I guess he used them all on the Kurds...
Base on what actions happen in Kabul and in around the country, it shows the insurgents (Taliban) has strong hold in Afghan government by their supports and lobbies at high positions. And on the other hand the weak leadership by ( Karzai) and his interested angels to Taliban and Pakistan have made the situation like now, and it requires reform in Afghan government to expel those, who has link with Taliban in one or the other way.
it would be amusing if it wasn't so tragic: specs from military manuals (you know, the marines have their s... together and deal with whoever) as if NO ONE in CentCom can or has read same. Unfortunately, hubris and hypocrisy, can lead one astray. Uh, we're number one, and always will be. How about NOT confusing disdain of others with stupidity and ignorance. The adversaries in country, can be, and are, imaginative. One would think that would be obvious by now. And, those talking nukes are the most naive of all. What makes anyone believe such acts con be done with impunity?
About the American outposts or small fire bases in the mountains under attack from the mountains above...... Why does not the Air Force Napalm suspect Taliban outposts? True not precise, but deadly for all under it, and yes, perhaps civilians as well. But those hills with tunnels, spider holes, caves, etc I think should be put under heavy Napalm fire. Set the hills ablaze. Humanitarian concerns may be costing many American and NATO lives.
Napalm is banned, that is why it isn't used.
Salerno: "quality of life" in the US is what you make of it by your own aspirations and hard work. Unfortunately, millions of stupid people in the US never made that connection between hard work and success (quality of life). The neighbor on my right decided to have a baby at age 15 and drop out of high school. Now she wants ME to pay for her food, her clothes, her housing, her transportation, and her health care. Why should I? The neighbor on my left is a 32 year old man with Down Syndrome who would love to get a job but cannot because he was also born with Stargardts Dystrophy and is legally blind in both eyes. I would be glad if my tax dollars went to support the unfortunate 32 year old neighbor. But supporting the high school dropout leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth. In fact, the way I see it, the IRS and State Treasurer are literally stealing my money to support a generation of no-good, spoiled, liberal brats. And Obama is the leader of the brat pack!
I read all the comments and think if the U.S leave our country... we will be back 10 years ago and will not any body can live in Afghanistan..at least we are human and we need help.......
wbg – I totally agree with you.
She looks like she's lost a few pounds!
We certainly know how to waste American lives. The road to hell is always paved with the best of intentions. We need to leave. This country is a lost cause and not worth saving. They produce more illegal drugs than anywhere on the planet and may as well be putting a needle in the Arm of millions of people. Bomb the poppy fields on the way out the door and let these "tribes" kill each other for supremacy. It will only end up the way it started - a backward, filthily constructed little hole in the ground the Russians even decided to leave. Everyone in this world deserves Freedom, but not everyone wants it - not really. Sometimes you have to cut your losses.
two of my classmates and good friends died all in this same year...RIP 1LT Daren Hidalgo and 1LT Dimitri Del Castillo...Kunar Province is no joke. They didn't die a coward...both tried until the end. Both will be greatly missed...
the law puts people in jail for breaking the law and there is no reason for people to be in jail for breaking the law which means there is no reason for the law to put people in jail for breaking the law because there is no reason for people to be in jail for breaking the law.
Duude, that was Awesome. Where do you get your weed?
We cannot have this anymore. I'm sure that Mr. Gates is a compassionate individual and comes from a fine family, to be sure. However, his duty is completed and he did a great job. Nonetheless, our soldiers are dying for no reason and they need – I stress – they need to return home to the United States. We have an absent president that cares not for the hair on their heads. But, I do and most Americans that love the United States do care. Bring these young men and women home so that they may live their young lives out to fruition and to a great old age. They are our future, our hope, our success for this great nation that we all live in. They are the reason and the purpose that all of us work for every day of our lives.
Bring them home to safety and let them live.
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"American Citizen"? You sound more like Chinese citizen. What our "boys" want is for the politicians to shut the he11 up and let them do their dam jobs. This political pus.syfooting is what is hurting our soldiers.
Extremely well put, American Citizen. I notice how this Beefbrain who calls himself Beefburger is trying to deride you. How these ignoramuses seem to come out of the woodwork!!!
I just hope everyone is safe there! Keep the brave men Android women in our heads.
I never understand why they don't take the high ground when setting up their bases.
Because sometimes getting the high ground is impossible! Until you have taken the high ground in this country and held it then keep quiet. And when you are in some of these remote locations, high ground may consist of 25 different peaks, think before you type.
PTSD much? Take your meds before you type. Jagoff.
You sir, sound like you've been there and done that! I share your frustration/ disgust at these comments from these people who have not been, and likely NEVER will do that or anything even remotely resembling "that". Source: That's my unit in the video! Hello from Afghanistan!
Fly a Paladin in there and light the hills up with 155mm rounds everytime they wanna take pop shots.......copperheads are expensive but american lives cost more......send us artillery into the HILLS!
I agree. Pulverize the hills with copperheads and napalm, like in 'Nam. That's all.
uh, we lost 'Nam.
Also, think about the reason, copperheads and napalm, nice, for what? Cuz you care about them? right... Cuz they are a threat? right... Cuz its fun, rock-n-roll. There you go.
Actually we did not loose "'Nam". We accomplished the mission of containing communism (no other SE Asian country decided to try) so, ergo, we were successful. I see it as a strategic withdrawl as our intelligence knew that we were close to winning and decided to pull out so that the US would not have to pay for rebuilding a nation, great deterent for others considering such a move. Better than a nuke.
They don't take the very high ground for a reason. For example if they are guarding a valley to block enemy from using it they need to be able to pick a position that gives them the advantage of height but not to high as to allow troops to pass beneath them undetected. Yes that makes it so they get fired on from ridge lines however the point also is to draw fire and engage the enemy. So the purpose of taking a high middle ground achieves these goals.
Thank you. What a rational, informative, and well written answer. STUFF could learn from you.
I thought the mission was to destroy the taliban and alqauda however you spell it and kill Osama. Mission accomplished so get the hell out
Lol...the "mission." You're funny. The "mission" is to line the pockets of defense contractors and make sure the trillion dollar bomb industry has someone to bomb and thus justify their existence. Peace isn't profitable – at least not for the people who have bought our government...and the rest of us don't matter – INCLUDING the soldiers losing their limbs, lives, and sanity for absolutely NOTHING.
I hate 90% of todays politicians...
Salerno is articulating what a lot of people worldwide think about us. We are in so many countries it is ridiculous. It's what happens when you become a superpower. The British did it, the Spanish did it, Mongols, Romans, Egyptians, Greeks, Babylonians, Persians, etc. I was a harcore isolationist before, but now my views are slightly changing. We now proactively engage threats, and this is why there are no wars fought on American soil. It is expensive this way, but we are following the same path as all those other civilizations before us. Eventually we will fall. May have already begun. Let's just hope we don't ade away completely.
gordonati – I think US should limit to control the international water to defend the free navigation as it is linked with the defence of the global economy. By doing more you just take more risks as 9/11 was the result of unnecessary operations.
god bless america...god bless the soldier of god....kill em all
Kill em all and let God sort it out....
A god shouldn't have soldiers.
There are no soldiers of God, just idiots. The more they die the better.
HOW HYPOCRITICAL ARE YOU? Is this not what every Islamic religious ruled state believes their fighting forces are preparing to fight for or for that matter are relinquished of any judgment from God for their supporting of terrorism because they are fighting for Allah?
Religious islamic states NEVER invaded other countries, they just fight inside their borders for freedom like the afghans.
1.1 Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
1.2 Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651
1.3 Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–709
1.4 Conquest of Sindh: 664–712
1.5 Conquest of Hispania (711–718) and Septimania (719–720)
1.6 Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750
1.7 End of the Umayyad conquests: 718–750
1.8 Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606
1.9 Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902
1.10 Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360
1.11 Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299–1453
1.12 Further conquests: 1200–1800
1.13 Decline and collapse: 1800–1924
As you can see in your data no muslim states invaded other countries in the last 2-300 years with the exception of Saddam, but Iraq who was not an islamic state, but a secolarized one, with more christians that after the US invasion.
apparently you neither read well nor have comprehension.
your use of the word NEVER was invalid. you did NOT qualify your foolish remark with a time constraint.
"secularized" was not included either. An Islamic state is an Islamic state whether "secularized" or not.
Bottom line: your statement was just plain WRONG.
YOU ARE WRONG IDIOT, IRAQ WAS NOT AN ISLAMIC STATE. The Saddam party was compodsed by Christians like Tarek Aziz. Before 1800 no states were opresent, as th modern nation concept was not in place. so I can say tha NEVER muslims states or nations invaded other states. Nations like Iran or Afghanistan never invaded other countries.
Saddam Hussein prayed to allah and was of the islamic faith, a sunni. He also believed in the false prophet, mohammed, which by you see gave him false hopes.
The fact that Saddam declared to be muslim does not mean that Iraq was an Islamic state, as Tareq Aziz was christian and the Saddam party, the Bath, was founded by christians.
The taliban are going to lose because they never aim they hip fire everywhere. Thats why they cheer because its easy for america.
Lol, where did you hear that the Taliban hip fire all the time? I know for a fact they don't. As for it being easy for America I would say it isn't so easy fighting mountain warfare against anyone.
Exactly. Well said. Some of their guys suck, that's true. The mortars would be all over the place and the rifle fire would be less than threatening. But sometimes you would face the "A" team. They had their stuff wound tight. I felt a few rounds pass my head as well as mortars and RPGs right on our position. Some of these guys know what their doing.
Nice job done by American forces as usual. However it seems that those indigenous clans want to remain in the dark ages with illiteracy and poverty. US and coalition forces should vacate and allow the cavemen Taliban to kill themselves. Going forward drones can be used to keep the cavemen in check...
Give Afghans the Bibles for your own sake, America.
Yes. Bore them to death.
The time to have a military is here. Anytime that the United States decides to act agressively towards another nation, the draft along with the declaration of war must follow all proper channels as dictated by law. 1percent fight and the rest stay home and play violent video games. Semper Fi. I did it. Your turn. Or are you not a good citizen? It must be a law that all public servants have a dd 214 this goes especially for all future congressmen, senators and presidents.
Rules of engagement:
The 1999 Marine Corps Close Combat Manual (MCRP 3-02B) presents a “Continuum of Force” broken down as follows:
Level 1: Compliant (Cooperative). The subject responds and complies to verbal commands. Close combat techniques do not apply.
Level 2: Resistant (Passive). The subject resists verbal commands but complies immediately to any contact controls. Close combat techniques do not apply.
Level 3: Resistant (Active). The subject initially demonstrates physical resistance. Use compliance techniques to control the situation. Level three incorporates close combat techniques to physically force a subject to comply. Techniques include: Come-along holds, Soft-handed stunning blows, Pain compliance through the use of joint manipulation and the use of pressure points.
Level 4: Assaultive (Bodily Harm). The subject may physically attack, but does not use a weapon. Use defensive tactics to neutralize the threat. Defensive tactics include Blocks, Strikes, Kicks, Enhanced pain compliance procedures, Impact weapon blocks and blows.
Level 5: Assaultive (Lethal Force). The subject usually has a weapon and will either kill or injure someone if he/she is not stopped immediately and brought under control. The subject must be controlled by the use of deadly force with or without a firearm.
Tactical Nukes would do the trick, why not they use them? makes no sense to me
In 1966 I was in basic training at Fort Bragg NC and dreading the thought of going to Viet Nam. I wonder how many of our young men and women today are facing the same dread. Back then we should have bombed North Vietnam off the map. We could have taken out Hanoi, and Haiphong and every village and hamlet. But we didn't. We held back. The cost of holding back is protracted war and the death and injury of our soldiers and more Afghan civilians.
We know where the Taliban are but the rules of engagement prohibit the killing of innocent civilians. That is probably the biggest problem. We can't win by holding back.
In WW II we won by destroying the enemy. We bombed their factories, railroads, bridges, power plants, dams and anything else we could find on the map. We destroyed shipyards, steel mills, and many cases entire cities were set ablaze by the United States and British air force bombers. Dresden was fire bombed with terrible consequences to civilians. Tokyo was firebombed. The onslaught was relentless. But in all cases the enemy was defeated, totally defeated and unconditionally surrendered.
We know where the Taliban come from. We could end this war on our terms. But it takes great courage and leadership to engage in the enemy in total war. The political will to do that just is not there.
Bring the men and women home and let's not engage again without the commitment to end what ever we engage in no matter what we must do. The lives of our service men and women are too precious to waste.
Jack, we tried to bomb N. Vietnam of the map. We dropped more bombs in the Vietnam war then all the bombs dropped in WW2,. We slaughtered upwards of 4 million Vietnamese civilians and they still kept at us. Perhaps asking why we don't do what we did in WW2 (gross violations of humanity even then) we should ask, what the hell are we doing there anyway.
Sound familiar like Vietnam? Apparently the Talibna have impersonated police to attack civilian security forces in town. A couple of points: after watching the video on the attack on HIZABE ESLAMI AFGHANISTAN KUNAR SHIGAL AFGHANISTAN KUNAR SHIGAL... fire fight on combat outpost pirtle king, kunar Afghanistan:
1) They need periscope binoculars. Their position is obvious while the Taliban are scattered across the hills.
2) They need a tactical UAV like scan eagle or integrator with 20+ hour persistence and laser target designator which can cross-reference GPS to terrain elevation database for accurate GPS target location..
3) They need those new inexpensive mortar rounds with both laser AND GPS guidance. Induced fuse from Google Earth like laptop and live video feed from integrator.
4)) Are they really close enough enough to use RPGs?
5) Napalm Son!!! This is war!
Lol I don't think they were close enough, judging the distance they were looking and shooting, so either the guy exaggerated or the Taliban are as stupid as we know them to be and are wasting their time at that distance. He also said they used mortars, which is much more lethal at that range and warrants the use of precision airstrikes. Besides that, Napalm? That would certainly make the Taliban think twice. XD
This is the second report about Kunar I have seen from Nick Paton Walsh in two days. This correspondent is so biased that it's offensive. He's using phrases that suggest that the Taliban is unstoppable no matter how much bombs U.S. Forces drop, he straight up argues that our casualties are not worth the fight, and he even at one point argues that there is no point of being there and that the war literally cannot be won. Way to be unbiased. I hate Fox News but this guy is starting to make CNN look just as bad. Every time he is on with his "updates" about Kunar I want to change the channel– fire this guy before I have to go watch MSNBC.
It is the reality. After 10 years the americans are still fighting. They think to kill the Taliban, but the killed are mostly civilians.
The overwhelming majority of those dead civilians are being killed by the Taliban.
Killed for "crimes against Islam" like letting their children go to school, or playing music, or refusing to grow opium and turn over the profits to Taliban tax-collectors.
Ernan – ALL the civilians are killed directly or indirectly by the americans as they are the aggressor and responsible for all the civilian casualties.
and the taliban are justified in the brutalization and murder of THEIR OWN people????
NEWSFLASH for those slow to "get it"- the US has NOTHING to do with that miserable piece of agony......
They have been killing civilians way before we came into Afghan. I guess that's our fault too, huh?
You're an idiot salerno.
Civilians do not carry guns, nor do they strap explosives to thier chest, nor do they willingly give shelter to mass murderers. If someone is killed by a missile intended for someone they are aiding, then their death is justified. If your father slaughters others , then your death in your home as you sleep near him is not a tragedy. Why shouldn't Terrorist worry about the safety of thier loved ones if all americans young and old are free game.
You don't know ANYTHING! It is the Taliban killing the civilians, in HUGE #'s. Yes, there are civilian casualties on the NATO side, but there is in EVERY war, at least we try to limit them, where the Taliban & Al Queda HUNT them. Get your head back on your shoulders, this is the Taliban, & I just wish we could wipe them out, fast....
Everycountry has the right to kill their own people.
Taliban kill the traitors, like in any other country. They do not target innocent people, like the US, but the enemy.
USA kill deliberately unarmed women ad children like the 9 in the Kunar province collecting woods. It is impossible from an helicopter do not recognize that they were unarmed children.
So the idiots are steve and dave.
salerno the LIAR, are you saying it is OK for Assad to torture and kill little children?
Dan – Sirya is another country, not the US.
So Syria is in the right by your standards to torture and kill little children, AM i RIGHT?
We don't know exactly what happening in Sirya. It is possible that during a revolt people is committing crimes or killing innocent people, but this is not a pretest for a war.
So your not only a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE(you did say that every country has a right to kill their own people)BUT you cannot face the truth, and that is the people of SYRIA want to be free of a MAD dictator! VIDEO IS PROOF ENOUGH! i TELL YOU THE TRUTH, THE US AND THE FREE WORLD HAS THE AUTHORITY FROM GOD TO TAKE ACTION ON THE SYRIAN AND IRANIAN REGIMES IF THE ISLAMIC WORLD DOES NOT DO SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU WANT TO DEFEND PEOPLE, DEFEND THE PALESTINIANS FROM THE ISRAELI ATTACKS. IF EVERY COUNTRY KILLED THEIR PEOPLE INCLUDING THE USA IT WOULD BE BETTER AND LESS ESPENSIVE.
What Israeli attacks, LIAR? It is the Palestinian terrorist groups that are doing all of the attacking!
NO response? AND you call Steve and Dave idiots when you think every country should kill their own people? BECAUSE OF MONEY NO LESS? What kind of ideology are you aspired to?
Dan – Old idiot, Israel is the aggressor, the occupation force killing civilians in their own private houses and replacing them with the settlers. 9/11 was also a just reaction against the american support for Israel. Israel can kill people INSIDE their borders, not ourside. Ghaddafi, Assad and Saddam and even Milosevic had the right to kill the insurgents INSIDE their borders. USA and Israel kill women and children using airccraft and mass murdering people including civilians showing no respect for human life.
And you are telling us that is perfectly OK for any given country to feel free to murder its own citizen just so long as the murders occur within its borders? Just so long as they can pretend that their victims are "insurgents?" Who decides? A homicidal, power hungry dictator? A Genocide Committee?
This is a yes or no question. Just trying to understand your position correctly.
Yes, every country have the right to fight aganst insurgents inside its borders. It is called sovereignty, stupid.
On the contrary all the american soldiers killing people outside of their borders are criminal and must be killed.
Just so that I can clarify, you live in Italy correct? Italy's stance on the war is that it is just, the reason I know that is because ITALIAN TROOPS ARE OVER HERE. SO on that note, since you oppose the war and are making idealogical threats and claims regarding human life in other countries, according to your own thought process, the Italian government has every right to shoot you as an insurgent. Once again, just saying.
I don't live in Italy.
But if Italy shooted against somone dissenting with the war USA should attack the country under your logic. Why do you attack Libya because they are killing the armed insurgents ? The reality is that you are criminal and liars using everything as a pretest for wars. This is why I am happy when the US-Nato soldiers are killed.
you very carefully did not answer the key question: who decides which citizen should be murdered? who decides who the accused "insurgents" are?
Read about Rwandi? Burundi? Darfur? and the world should ignore this?
The leadership must decide, like in US.
salerno, when you go through the fire you'll be refined to a maggot on a dead body!
Do YOU know why? Because you think that the syrian government has the right to beat GOD"S children to a pulp, cut off their penis' and kill them!
Sorry folks, I never posted the above. The point here is that the Afghans simply do not want foreign rule no matter who the foreigners are, whether it's us or the Russians. In fact, we'd be wise to follow the Russians' example and leave like they did in 1989.
By your "logic" the Afghans would be fighting against the Wahhabi Arab and non-Afghan Taliban.
Nah, you're just another Wikipedia-expert, spouting off your vast "read an article about it once" knowledge.
earnan - what you said is what happend. i dont understand your point ?
The soldiers ARE DYING FOR NOTHING. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. So that some rich bombmaking exec can buy a summer house and live like a freaking KING. Period. There is absolutely no reason to be in Afghanistan. And if you want to know what happens when you decide you can "conquer" that ridiculous country, take a look at Russia, which committed more troops to the futile effort and LOST. And what are we going to "win" anyway? Seriously? You think by oppressing and killing a bunch of people, they'll love you? They won't secretly plot against you? How will you EVER leave if that's your plan? You have to occupy FOREVER, because the moment you leave, the people you've been oppressing and murdering are going to rise up. But that, of course, means more profits for military industry, which is just darn swell.
Have you been here in Afghanistan? I'm betting on no, but you sure know what's going on by your avid news watching. I'm here now and I would like you to think about this for a minute. For the rest of your life, you cannot show any part of your body, you may not speak to a male outside your family, you may not drive a car, in fact you will not leave your house without a male family member to escort you, you will not go to school, and you will not learn to read and write. If you violate any of these things listed, you will be killed by your own family out of their shame, adn it wil be completely justified by their law. So tell me again, how I am over here fighting for my life on a daily basis to line the pockets of some businessman? Just because Osama is dead does not mean the war is over. However, due to the freedom of speech that I and other Marines, soldiers, sailors and airmen provide you, you can continue to babble your uninformed nonsense from your nice comfy couch. Semper Fidelis.
I'm sorry but I don't think you're really fighting for freedom on the U.S. side. If the U.S. were to pull out of the Middle East, would Americans freedom really be compromised? Don't get me wrong because I plan to join the military myself, but I don't agree with the wars.
You missed the point. This country (Afghanistan) is full of oppressed people who are scared of everyone and everything, THAT is what we're fighting for, the basic human rights these people deserve. My reference to us fighting for her freedom of speech was more of a reference to the fact that those who defend nothing, feel the need to verbally attack that which they cannot possibly comprehend from their living room. The news and the internet, while both great tools, tell what the source wants you to know, not what is actually happening. Here's a thought for you in closing. If we weren't over here constantly tying up their resources and dwindling their numbers, which IS happening, where do you think their attention would go to? You guessed it, US soil again. Just saying.
He is embedded with the military there doing the story. He sees first hand whats going on. Maybe he has a point?
The photos of Americans shooting are all very exciting, but they have little news value. I want to know WHO they are shooting at? It looks like a couple of unarmed goatherds, hardly a foe to justify such an expensive assault.
I don't think the cameraman felt like standing in the open to film the Taliban shooting directly at him. I promise they were there and they were attacking the U.S. Base, don't worry.
Goatherders packing mortar rounds, you dolt. Read the fricking print on the story before assuming something.
The goatherders were the scouts for the Taliban. Being unarmed means that the ROE prohibits targeting them. They can watch from a distance, see how the Americans react then report to the Taliban so they can chage their attack strategies.
OOOOOOhhhhhhhh NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Not "THE TALIBAN!" I'm so freaking SCARED!
The minute we leave (and we will leave) the Taliban will battle the weak and fearful Afghan "security forces" until they win back what they lost – it won't take long maybe a few months. All this $$$money spent on this war is for nothing – temporary gains only. Taliban will take over again at some point – they are fighing for their land, their home, their way of life, their very being. We are fighting for something less than that. We can't sustain a prolonged an indefinate presence there. No question Taliban will return. Very, very sad and exceedingly difficult situation.
Right there in the article it says "flowing from Pakistan." These fighters are Pakistani Taliban, not Afghan locals.
The Taliban are no more Afghans than we are.
Just goes to show your ignorance and lack of educated research, the Taliban is not the problem, the problem is AlQuaeda.
CNN, this video was exceptional. Very good reporting.
Please Please Please show more reporting like this on your news shows instead of the pop culture and American politics overload it has turned into recently.
Show people what is actually going on in Afghanistan, not just what politicians back home are saying about it.
JIMMY CROCK HEAD YOU NEED TO STOP CALLING NAMES AND FOR YOUR INFO MOHAMMAD WAS TO MERCY TO MEN KIND YOU LOOSSER.
one word: Puncutation
One word: Agreed
three words: get a grip!
What did we (the US) learn from 'Nam? Apparently zip, zilch, nada, squat. Imperialism isn't the sole realm of conservatives it so appears, eh Pres. Obama?
I can't believe how many people are always putting Obama's name in the pot when it concerns these wars? The guy that started these wars is named George W. Bush!!! Please repeat that three times for effect and let it marinate in your brains!! Now on to pressing matters. Anyone that we collectively would have supposedly have elected to the presidency will be crucified about the war right now as Pres Obama is. Everyone says pull out of Afghanistan which is a just war seeing as they did hijack three planes and succesfully killed Thousands of Americans while knocking down two buildings and attacking a third (Twin Towers, Pentagon). Oh let's just wrap it up today and come home not now but right now! Don't secure your six just turn around and put your weapons down they will stop shooting at you they will instantly stop suicide bombing as a matter of fact they will even join you for Tea and Crumpets! We are pulling out you imbociles! You better believe that we are not going to shut the lights out one day and be home the next. Elect someone else and when everything goes exactly like you want it to go then I would gladly eat humble pie.
As long as Afgan has uneducated men named Mohammad, the attacks will never end.
And as long as there are ARROGANT and IGNORANT Americans, the US is condemned to repeat the lessons of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia - and now Afghanistan and Iraq - again and again and again. The more remedial class America has to retake, the more stupidity it reveals to the rest of the world.
Mr – I will take on and destroy any citizen that dares question my authority buy making everyone around them an unknowing warrior and no clue spy for life with my pen because I am a scared of criticism from the party that has no problem sinking the world economy for political gain if I do not achieve national security perfection – President,
Did you ever wonder why you had the same milk man when you moved to the White House?
Broom, Broom, Broom
Come on nut!
Like I said before, this obscene carnage needs to cease once and for all. Nobody should blog in here try to glorify this useless war but they will, nonetheless!!!
And everyone gets a rainbow and a pony?
No, no ponies, no rainbows, but we do get our money spent on things other than hopeless wars.
The media needs to stop calling these fanatics and murderers 'insurgents'! Its too kind a word in regards to their cowardly and heinous acts! THEY ARE "'F-in" terrorists! The world need to be continually reminded! !Can you please spread the word to the media! THANK YOU! CS
CS – The media are correct as terrorists target civilians by US definition. They are insurgebts or even better freedom fighters as they are fighting a foreign occupation force killing the Afghan people.
I do not need to have any credibility as I provide the links for an independent research abiut american murdering of civilians.
RAWA.ORG EMERGENCY- GINO STRADA- WIKILEAKS.
Salerno, you are from Italy, you do not live in nor suppor the U.S. You should stay off of American blogs and then you will not have to worry so much about out business, I hate you!
Hi Salerno.. Our exchange on such an important topic would be too much for an email.. But I think its great we can have different opinions without fear of imprisonment or much worse consequences.. That's what freedom and liberty is all about.. And I hope the troops can come home soon too (albeit we certainly have different views on the rationale for their departure).. Cheers CS
Jason – it is not just your business, it is also my business, as I am an US taxpayer and the US policy has consequences in any country.
CS- yes it is positive that we still have some chance to talk without fear of imprisonment.
what......you make the pompous pronouncement that only your links are valid and other links are only propaganda? How vain. No cred, bubba.
There is a lot of propaganda, lies and false datas on this blog, but it is a fact that I can post my comments and this is a little positive element, in the situation. I report the facts as they are.
Come on CS, will you kindly cut the Tea Party lingo when posting your statement? It has no place here. Besides, the English language has a rather extensive vocabulary so that kind of lingo isn't necessary at all.
The founding fathers we're terrorists and we call them the founding fathers. See what im getting at?
The difference being the founding fathers fought to free the colonies while the Taliban fight to enslave the Afghan people.
Or can't a 'tard like you understand the subtle difference?
Yes Chris, I understand. Our Founding Fathers were and the Taliban are today fighting essentially the same thing, that is, to get rid of foreign rule. Unfortunately, some of the idiots who keep blogging in here are just too ignorant to get it!!
I personally am a member of the United States armed forces(have been to Afghanistan), and personally I don't understand how citizens of the U.S. can stay at home and just watch troops go to war. This is a real war peoples lives are taken, the injuries sustained are real, but somehow the typical civilian just sits here and watches these videos with no thought or concern to what really happens. So I believe people should step back and rethink how they feel about watching videos like this!
Hi American Soldier. Thank you for your service. We as a nation have much more important things to worry about than the Wars we are in – American Idol is coming up, Lebron James didn't win his NBA championship, Palin's kid just wrote a new book about her "stolen" virginity, and I'm really really worried about the NFL lockout. American has a culture that is so full of optimism and always looks at the glass being half full that is has forgotten to look at the price it pays. In countries like Lebanon they name streets aftre their war dead and place placards all over their cities reminding them of the sacrifice. I'll never forget the Op Ed piece by an Israeli veteran. He said "In your country (America) you go to the beach during Memorial day and have cook out with booze, in my country (Israel) we mourn and show great respect for our war dead and veterans"
War mongers are very lucky that americans have other things to worry about than war, as otherwise they will see the crimes committed by their military.
You should join up. Unfortunately, you have to volunteer. That means getting up off your fat, lazy can and going down to a recruiting station. If there was a draft, you could stand on the wall next to brave men and women who defend you on a daily basis. Or ... an even more permanent solution would be to renounce your American citizenship, and go to a more "tolerant" country like China, North Korea, Chad, Libya, Columbia, Botswana, Venzuela, Burma (yah, I still call it that), etc ... and then see how much their government appreciates your "opinions". Oh, no freedom of speech? What? Shot dead in the streets like a dog?
With globalization there is no difference betwen countries. I traveleld a lot, and I can live in almost any country.
USA is not in the first 10 place as quality of life, freedom and happiness. Danmark, Finland, Sweden, Netherland, and even Austria are better.
then GO THERE!
another egregious logic error: with globalization there is no difference between countiries:
Darfur and Germany? No difference?
China and Samoa? No difference?
Canada and Sudan? No difference?
Yemen and Belgium? No difference?
America and Afghanistan? No difference?
Obviously I would prefer to stay in a country free from american invasion.
Try Darfur, or Germany, or China, or Samoa, or Canada, or Sudan, or Yemen, or Belgium, or Afghanistan.
Thank you for the advise. Samoa should be palatable.
A recruitment center is right around the corner but if this is how you live with yourself for not being able to stand up for anything.
I tried to enlist but they wont let me because i have debt. It's the most ridiculous thing in the world. Our brothers and sisters are fighting for their lives and the freedom of the afghan people, but they wont take me because they think i'm a security risk. They said someone could offer me money to give secrets out. it doesn't matter that my measly 8,000$ of debt would be paid within 4 months of service or the fact that they give a 5,000$ bonus to sign up that would eliminate over half of my debt. All i can do is keep up on payment plans and hope that they give me a waiver so I can serve my country.
someone sounds bitter. maybe a disgruntled G.I.
Dude, unlike YOUR country, all of OUR soldiers are volunteers. We do not use conscripts like China, worthless in the field anyway. AMERICAN soldiers are professional warriors, highly trained and dedicated. HOO-YAH!
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