On Tuesday, an Obama administration official told CNN that Obama will announce that 30,000 U.S. "surge" forces will be fully withdrawn from Afghanistan by the end of 2012. Members of Congress are being informed that 10,000 troops will be withdrawn by the end of this year, followed by another 20,000 next year, a congressional source said.
Check out the U.S. troops levels over the years as well as the number of U.S. casualties
This is General Petreus dressed as woman to infiltrate the Taliban forces.
We eventually "won" the Vietnam War by leaving them the heck alone and letting them come to their level of comfort with capitalism on their OWN. Look folks, communism or democracy aren't organic to these cultures, so they might try to adopt it at first, but they will morph it into their own form eventually. China calls itself a communist country, but it looks familiarly like China of old world with it’s imperial history.
the US never pretended to WIN the Viet Nam war:
The Fall of Saigon was the capture of Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam, by the People's Army of Vietnam and the National Liberation Front on April 30, 1975. The event marked the end of the Vietnam War and the start of a transition period leading to the formal reunification of Vietnam under communist rule.
/- Interesting, this would be the first time that a country engage into a war with the intention to loose and not to win.
You are good at twisting and perverting other people's posts. An accurate reading would have told you what really happened.
the US did not INTEND to loose. Read the history without trying to twist and mangle the meanings of the words.
You are more of a do nothing President than I thought President Obama. Still blaming someone else. You made a lot of promises to get yourself elected and there was no way you could keep them. Try keeping at least "one"–
Blow me Obama you sent in 30,000 troops and took our half of them WHAT ABOUT THE REST? Your pathetic, YOU LOOSER. Just shut up and quit burning a hole in the Ozone layer with your BS talk.
Sorry, I support the troops but saying that being over there will keep me safe is ignorant. Pull all the troops out and guess what? My 9 to 5 doesn’t change. This idea that they somehow would amass a force to attack the united sates if we left is giving our intelligence agency no credit. Gates did an outstanding job the CIA. “we could be attacked again” yeah well most people stand a better chance of getting a pipe thrown into their face while driving to work than being blown up by some weapon of mass destruction. Education, logic, and reason stand a better chance of saving the middle east. Not bullets or bombs or a military pressence. We have wasted so many lives, money, and resources for what? What have WE as an American people gained? A soaring debt. Loss of civil liberties to feel safe at night under the patriot act. we sit and praise the dead for giving everything they had, but the dead cannot hear.
Simple we pull out the troops all of them and warn them if ANYTHING happens in the us any terrorist attacks you will glow in the dark for a 1,000 years.
I don't understand why all the major TV network's force us to listen to the President speak. No I'm not interested in the Republican response either.
I remember 9/11 when saudi nationals flew planes into buildings, and then we attacked iraq.
Bring them all home now...we got Osama Bin Laden. The rest can go to hell...
Additional to the 100,000 US troops there are currently also circa 42,500 soldiers from other NATO countries, Australia and co. stationed in Afghanistan, plus something around 300,000 Afghan security forces, thus all in all a lot of soldiers and police.
"We are at war with the most dangerous enemy that has ever faced mankind and is a long clime from the swaps to the stars. And Its been said if we lose that war and then so doing lose this way of freedom of ares, history will record with the greatest astonishment that those who have the most to lose give the least to prevent its happening" (Reagan 1964). All Gave Some, Some Gave All, Never Forget 9/11/01. And our Brothers in Uniform who put their lives at harms way always on the line. Thank you
Frank, and who were we at war with, way back in 1964 - the year of your Ronnie Raygun quote? It wasn't with the Afghanis or the Iraqis. If memory serves me correctly, it was with the Vietnamese. And who will we be at war with in another forty years? Some other luckless country that somehow gets caught in our crosshairs, that's who. Never forget? I actually agree, but let's think about trying a decade or two without invading someone else's and breaking everything there before we leave. It might put all of this in a different light. Oh, yeah, just for the record - before you start in on your cheap and meaningless patriotic banter about our veterans, be aware that I am one of them.
I was there in '02 when we had only 10k troops there, and all was pretty quiet. Problem is that US did not reinforce success and leverage the good will at the time, instead we took on a war of choice and squandered the opportunity to eradicate drug production and reinforce local government. Now we pay the price.
I just got back from a tour in Afghanistan with the 101st. I'll say one thing. So much is going on over there with insurgents that the American people will never hear about because so much is going on to stop them. As much as war sucks and seems unnecessary most of the time. If we just pulled out now it would only get worse. The enemy although not highly organized is very influential and persistent in their own cause. You would see more harm then good without these surges. I lost 5 friends over there and although their loss is tragic, they fought because they wanted to keep their family, friends, and other Americans safe from what could happen if we weren't trying to help these regions of our world from misguided individuals who fight mainly to stop us from trying to help them. Many Afghans know our cause and appreciate us trying to help them.
I understand the logic and you said it very well but I'm tired of my husband being gone.
Sorry, I support the troops but saying that being over there will keep me safe is ignorant. Pull all the troops out and guess what? My 9 to 5 doesn't change. This idea that they somehow would amass a force to attack the united sates if we left is giving our intelligence agency no credit. Gates did an outstanding job the CIA. "we could be attacked again" yeah well most people stand a better chance of getting a pipe thrown into their face while driving to work than being blown up by some weapon of mass destruction. Education, logic, and reason stand a better chance of saving the middle east. Not bullets or bombs or a military pressence. We have wasted so many lives, money, and resources for what? What have WE as an American people gained? A soaring debt. Loss of civil liberties to feel safe at night under the patriot act. we sit and praise the dead for giving everything they had, but the dead cannot hear.
Hey, there are no Taliban in the west and your fear is paranoic. Now the families of the fallen brainwashed soldires are missing them.
I wish the soldiers were assigned to our southern borders instead of abroad. I agree, let Afghan be for Afghan... not because its right or wrong, but we have no more money.
What we need to do is to reduce our troop level from the current 112,000 we have there now to zero as soon as possible. The problem is, is that the right-wing thugs in Washington won't stand for that. The bottom line is that we have no right to be in Afghanistan in the first place. What is needed here is a policy similar to that of Vietnam after 1975. In other words, let Afghanistan rebuild itself like Vietnam did.
"Right wing thugs"? The conversation needs to be honest and respectful before any progress can be made. The surge in troops (they have tripled) came at the direction of President Obama; probably not someone you would include in your definition of "right wing thugs". Like you, I disagree with many parts of our current (the last 15 years or so) foreign policy efforts... but I also know that those in charge have access to imformation that I do not have. Perhaps there is more to the story than we know? Perhpas there are credible threats that are being addressed even as we in the public see only the surface impact of the various wars and "non-wars" (Libya). It is very easy to coach from the bleacher section where being wrong has no consequences.
Brett – HaHa !! The information you donìt know are the ones that would make you a contrarian to the war !!
This is why they are secret !!
No right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember there being a small issue with terrorist training camps being there where they trained people to fly planes into buildings and blow up embassies...
I also seem to remember that we let Afghanistan rebuild itself after the Soviets left and that didn't turn out so well either...
Schmedley – You are wrong. Only 2 of the 19 highjackers went to Afghanistan to meet OBL. They were not trained in Afghanistan, as no training was necessary to highjack a plain a part the flying school..
sorry my comment above was directed to Grantham
Do you remember 9-11-01?
As a matter of fact, I do. I also remember the Persian Gulf, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, the Dominican Republic, Korea, World War II in Europe and in the Pacific, Haiti and Nicaragua at the beginning of the last century, World War I, Spain (including Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines), several invasions and incursions in Mexico - including the one in which we took over 55% of their national territory, the wars of expansion and extermination against the Indians, and many, many more. The State Department lists OVER 200 US military interventions outside of our borders since Independence, not country our covert interventions in places like Guatemala, Chile, Iran, ad nauseum. My point: we've never given peace a chance. That might have something to do with the fact that we, as a nation, are not well loved around the world. It might also have something to do with why we were attacked on 9/11.
YEs, I remember. I also remeber that we have been wasting our time for 10 years.
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