May 10th, 2011
11:02 AM ET

Anderson: Leaner, meaner approach needed

Jon Lee Anderson of The New Yorker discusses his article on the U.S. struggle to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan.

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  1. agila ng davao

    All mankind will be judge according to individual deeds,whether he claimed to be christian,muslim,hindu,atheist,animist or whatever he or she claimed to be ,God will judged them,the God od Abraham,Isaac and Israel,will judge everyone including the whole nation Israel ,all will be judged,that includes you and me. for it is written
    (Rev 21:5) And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true.
    (Rev 21:6) And He said to me, It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending. To the one thirsting, I will freely give of the fountain of the Water of Life.
    (Rev 21:7) The one overcoming will inherit all things, and I will be God to him, and he will be the son to Me.
    (Rev 21:8) But for the cowardly and unbelieving, and those having become foul, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the lying ones, their part will be in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

    May 12, 2011 at 8:50 am | Report abuse |
  2. agila ng davao

    Lord Jesus Christ teach that to love your neighbor as you love yourself. And even to give ones life to save others is the greatest expression of love. Many people claim to be His follower but do not follow what He teaches.As it is written (Mat 7:21) "Not everyone who keeps saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will get into the kingdom of heaven, but only the person who keeps doing the will of my Father in heaven.
    (Mat 7:22) Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we?'
    (Mat 7:23) Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!'"

    May 12, 2011 at 8:17 am | Report abuse |
  3. Napoli

    OH BOY! Religion and Politics.....we're in trouble now....

    May 11, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
  4. salerno

    Navin . Jesus never allowed violence and did not move any war. It is not important if the Mahabarata is not qn holy war, the important is the symbolism.

    May 11, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Navin1

      Jesus' ideas created war. He did nothing to prevent it. If he was real person, he failed to understand human nature and anticipate the atrocities done in his name. The Buddha specifically said not to hurt people in his name 500 years before the supposed jesus. Jesus also is believed to be the savior for forgiving all sins. As a symbol (idol, but not human) this works. We as humans need to find ways to move forward. As a scapegoat, he becomes Constatine's excuse for atrocity with no karmic consequence. As christains no longer suffer the effects of their negative karma, they can and do perform genocide after genocide. If jesus failed to see what would happen, this too suggests he was not much of a prophet, let alone savior.

      Even so, you suggested jihad came from Mahabharat. The argument I presented was not against the value of symbolic battles. If the jihad, koran, and bible are merely symbols not to be taken literally – I agree. The argument I put forward was that the Mahabharat does not support jihad / crusade / violence in the name of God. The war is merely a historical conflict driven by greed and false sense of ego and ownership (in the modern context – a false sense of property rights). The spiritual path is eternal (and simultaneous to the current world). The teaching of the Gita says to go beyond the temporal apparent reality and then act within the temporal apparent reality – no jihad.

      May 11, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Navin- I agree with most of your post, but Jesus idea did not create wars, their bad interpretations did. The same is true for Muslims, Buddhists. You know about the violence/wars betwen the Hindu and the Buddhists in India before Shankara, and the recent war in Sri Lanka. No people is immune from violence. Buddhists can be very violent too.
      I agree about Constantine and Gita.

      May 12, 2011 at 4:24 am | Report abuse |
  5. Navin1

    Humans have God given hearts and minds. Ideologies are man made constructs as Yokobi's square and circle idolatry. Yoakobi has agreed that there are no muslim states. Meaning he is speaking of an ideal that does not really exist. His ideology allow him to hate based on his constructed idolarty of the truth. LIke wise, many a human has been taught an idolatry of truth. They think God only spoke to us in this book or that, that God only allows us to call God by one name, or only in the name of one prophet... Once they create this ideology, this idolatry of a tiny truth, then they bow to Mecca, they bow to imams and popes, they bow to books, they close their minds and hearts to the love we have for each other given by God for us to share. Hearts and minds can not be won – they are divine gifts we already have. But they can be defeated. What it takes to defeat them is for good persons to validate insane ideologies as created in worship of hateful, wrathful gods as those of the bible and the koran (and thus the history of genocide that goes with those ideologies) – and then the ignition of hatred by power hungry Bin ladens hiding in their caves, popes setting off cursades, Mohameds marching with sword on Mecca, -christian and islamic colonialism.... Hearts and minds can have this grime of ignoraance removed by the stroke of love. But if peoples are so darkened in their belief system by their own governments and gods that they blame the US for the failings of their own leadership and citizenry (and thus themselves), then the stroke of international aid is converted into a mythological attack on a mythological belief system (consider Polio). Then, it comes the individual Pakistani, the individual Afghani, the individual Saudi – always the individual human (with God given dignity) to stand up and say I will not worship a hateful god. I worship Truth, Justness, and Love (Satcitananda or as it translates in any other language) for these are divine gifts.

    May 11, 2011 at 11:10 am | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Navin – you should know that it is severely prohibited to bow to an Imam. The motivation about the iconoclasm inside Islam is to prevent iddolatry. Even the prohibition to paint the Prophet was enhanced for this reason.

      May 11, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      To me Hinduism and Islam are complementary, as the first and the last tradition. The letter N written in arabic and sanscrit shows this in a grafic manner.

      May 11, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Napoli

    Hearts and minds might be over rated. There should be "hearts and minds" to win, first. Pretty hard to win them when there are not any, or very few.

    May 11, 2011 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Napoli

      Can you separate Religion and Language, for once? How Ignorant and racist to lump one whole group into so many negative classes. Still looking for that site to translate your gibberish. Please provide....

      May 11, 2011 at 6:55 pm | Report abuse |
  7. salerno

    Pakistan, China, Arabia Mullah Omar and Bin Laden supported Afghanistan along with US against the Soviets.

    May 11, 2011 at 9:22 am | Report abuse |
  8. pamiri

    All Afghan are not that mush fool to listen from Pakistanis and other enemy of country like Russia, Iran, Arabia , China , they just can brainwash the Pakhtons of border area PAK_AFG, people know better Pakistanis and their goals here in Afghanistan,
    from Kabul

    May 11, 2011 at 7:01 am | Report abuse |
  9. Napoli

    Hi:-)

    May 10, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Report abuse |
  10. dindy

    If US could pull out Bin from his hide out among trillions of Pakistan nation other missions are not that hard for them in the Lord our God!!

    May 10, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kristy

      This is the perfect way to break down this inomfration.

      July 12, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • omaokkcmcrw

      X7vW0m wjxmcxrdykcu

      July 14, 2011 at 6:59 am | Report abuse |
  11. salerno

    The only terrorist country is the USA. At least for the 8-9 countries they bombed.

    May 10, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Napoli

      How easy it is to neglect the facts and create one's own reality.

      In every lie, it is said, there is truth. In this case, it seems the truth can also be a lie by omission.

      I enjoy your opposing views and perceptions. As we can see, perceptions can vary greatly.

      May 10, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Napoli – It is not my opinion. It is a FACT that USA bombed 8-9 countries. No other country has this record.

      May 11, 2011 at 9:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Napoli

      Fine – it should also be explained why. You can say that and I beleive the number is actually much higher. The point is it was not clarified which countries you included or why or how it happened or in response to what, etc. Hence the lie. Statements like that are what journalist do, what accountants do, what CEOs do, what politicians do to make Their point in spite of facts to the contrary. They inspire a false sense of justice with efforts to persuade others. It is an AQ tactic, as well.

      I am surprised to read you are a US taxpayer. Who else are you backing?

      May 11, 2011 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        It would take too much time to analyze all the situations, but from the eightees I remember Lebanon, Panama, Libya, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Serbia, Afghanistan, Pakistan. I don't care a thing a bout the motivations, as Switzerland or Finland did not bombed those countries and have a better quality of life than USA.

        May 11, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Riza Afghan

    USA should cut all AID and kick all terrorists from Afghanistan (seems no terrorist left in Afghanistan anymore, all are living in Pakistan for the past 7 years now ) then Pakistan will not have any $ and that's the end of Terrorists.

    Terrorists are only running for $, if no $ from USA and no $ from Afghan Drug then they are dead😀

    CUT/STOP THE F00KING AID TO STUPID TERRORIST COUNTRY PAKISTAN RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT TO PUT AN END TO THE PAKISTANI TERRORISTS!!!

    AFGHANISTAN NEVER BEEN A TERRORIST STATE, PAKISTAN WAS/IS A TERRORIST STATE FROM THE BEGINNING !!!

    May 10, 2011 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • &

      I challenge you to write posts without using the words "hindu," "criminal," "racist," "jew," "slave," or "dog," or adding ( )

      bet you can't do it.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Napoli

        It is amazing one can apply so many varied definitions to so few words. I wish I knew what this guy was trying to say, other than he hates, an awful lot.

        May 10, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Hamilton

        I agree. It's weird. Thanks!

        May 11, 2011 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
  13. !

    epic failure.

    May 10, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Dan from Detroit, MI

    These clowns never give up! They're forever trying to brainwash the Afghan people into collaborating with them. I don't think that even the Germans worked that hard at it during WW2.

    May 10, 2011 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      They are brainwashed with no hope. The Germans was not so brainwashed to think they could win the hearths and minds.

      May 10, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |