March 21st, 2011
12:07 PM ET

Photos published of alleged U.S. atrocities in Afghanistan

Spc. Jeremy Morlock, left, and Pfc. Andrew Holmes are facing charges relating to the wrongful deaths of Afghan civilians.

The German news outlet Der Spiegel has published photographs of what appear to be two U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan posing over the bodies of dead Afghans - images which threaten to further complicate the American military effort there.

Two images show the soldiers kneeling by a bloody body sprawled over a patch of sand and grass. A third shows what appears to be two bodies propped up, back to back, against a post in front of a military vehicle.

Der Spiegel identifies the soldiers as Spc. Jeremy Morlock and Pfc. Andrew Holmes, who are both facing charges relating to the wrongful deaths of Afghan civilians.  (More on the cases)

Specifically, Holmes is charged with the premeditated deaths of three civilians, possessing a dismembered human finger, wrongfully possessing photographs of human casualties, and smoking hashish.

He is also accused of conspiring with Morlock to shoot at a civilian and then toss a grenade so it would look like the soldiers were under attack.

Morlock is charged with three counts of murder. He is accused of killing one Afghan civilian in January 2010 with a grenade and rifle; killing another in May 2010 in a similar manner; and shooting a third to death in February 2010.

U.S. military rules also prohibit "taking or retaining individual souvenirs or trophies," which the photographs may be construed as.

The trial for the two soldiers is being conducted at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington. Morlock's court martial is slated to begin Wednesday, while the start date for Holmes' court martial has not been publicly announced.

The U.S. Army released a statement Monday calling the photographs "repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States Army."

"We apologize for the distress these photos cause," the statement said.

Army officials asserted in the statement that ongoing court-martial proceedings related to the alleged atrocities "speak for themselves. The photos appear in stark contrast to the discipline, professionalism and respect that have characterized our soldiers' performance during nearly 10 years of sustained operations."

They also stressed that the "United States Army is committed to adherence to the Law of War and the humane and respectful treatment of combatants, noncombatants, and the dead. ... Soldiers who commit offenses will be held accountable as appropriate."

In all, officials have charged 12 U.S. soldiers in what they called a conspiracy to murder Afghan civilians and cover it up, along with charges they mutilated corpses and kept grisly souvenirs. Five of the soldiers face murder charges, while seven others are charged with participating in a coverup.

All of the accused men were members of a 2nd Infantry Division brigade operating near Kandahar in southern Afghanistan in 2009 and 2010.

CNN's Alan Silverleib and Scott Zamost contributed to this report

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  1. angry jack

    this makes jack very angry because this was plain wrong.

    March 22, 2011 at 1:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Wzrd1

      Were it up to THIS veteran, JACK would be terminated with prejudice, as risk to the safety, security and national interests to the Great United States of America.

      March 22, 2011 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
  2. Eric

    The worst part is that the pictures are of dead kids based on the pics shown on other newspapers

    March 22, 2011 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
  3. Jack S K.

    Its a darn shame when we forgot the appropriate manner of conducting ourselves in the presence of madness such as war. The appropriate respect should offer "It's a shame that this fellow had to grow up in his country and I had to grow up in mine. I'm sure he fought for what he thought was right or at least what he was told was right and usually by for other reason but financial or by allegiance to his home town, has today wound up on the opposite side of this conflict. I'm glade to be on the side I'm on. I'm more fortunate then you. I'm sorry you got dealt a losing hand. It comes around to us all."

    March 22, 2011 at 12:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Rock

      Hilarious. It's war. Stop the "atrocities"? Please tell me you're kidding. Let's only kill and maim people in the nice, honorable way? Friggin seriously? How about you just stop having stupid wars? Oh, ok, here we go. Heard it a million times... anyone against war doesn't get how the big world works, bla bla bla. You people are completely retarded. If you cannot imagine a world without war you cannot have one. So all you get to do is b1tch about the way they're fought as either the "American" or "unAmerican" way to kill and maim and live in a self-deluded fantasy that you're somehow righteous for blowing someone's brains out the 'good' way. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Boring. When you toss a hundred thousand different personalities into a blood bath not everyone plays the same. Is this really news?

      March 22, 2011 at 12:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Omar Bradley

      Jack, that kind of mutual respect is what you might expect in a "conventional" war, between uniformed soldiers of opposing armies. That is not what's going on in Afghanistan. It is a guerilla, or partisan war, where you don't know if the guy you pass in the street one day will be out burying an IED that night. Not only is it difficult to clearly determine who the friendlies are, but even they are subject to intimidation by the bad guys, to the extent that they're obliged to betray or even kill you for fear for their own and their family's lives.

      Remember, too, that these are the kind of enemies who proudly commit, in God's name, the most horrendous of atrocities. It's entirely understandable that some of our guys may occasionally let their anger get the best of them.

      March 22, 2011 at 1:01 am | Report abuse |
      • Rock

        Right, Omar. Because nothing bad ever happens in a "conventional" war. Like, the presence of uniforms on both sides makes it all hand shaking, feel good, brain splattering thing to be admired. If you knew anything about war you would know that any time "conventional" forces go up against lesser equipped, the conventional army quickly labels all defensive measures as insurgent, terrorist, guerrilla, etc., etc. IRA, Viet Cong, French Resistance... and (drum roll), oh yeah, those resiliant American Revolutionaries fighting the red coats. All guerrilla warriors fighting conventional forces using 'unapproved' tactics, but... once again... it's war. Starting to get the picture? This isn't new and the fact that people think it's some oddity is what's really the hardest thing to understand. Stop watching those stupid Stallone movies, they're getting in your head.

        March 22, 2011 at 1:18 am | Report abuse |
  4. J

    And how come this German news outlet is throwing our troops under the bus? I figure this is right up Germany's ally! They are the undisputed kings of death torture and human rights violations. Der Spiegel must be German for super awesome, or maybe what to strive for.

    March 22, 2011 at 12:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Lee

      At one time you were right about Germany. But that was almost 70 years ago, and now we the U.S. are becoming the undisputed champs of mistreatement, torture and murder. Der Spiegel was quite right to publish those as most American newspaper would have had they had the pictures.

      March 22, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
      • J

        Well, I was just trying to be funny because Im bored, and I think at this point there is an almost unanimous feeling by Americans these days that what our government is doing is wrong on a lot of levels. America needs to start working towards isolationism, stop sticking our noses where it doesn't belong, and worry about ourselves for once. If we spent the money that we do on war (which we cant afford as we're what, 12-13 trillion dollars in debt?) on building our economy, improving our borders and maybe starting to fix our ever crumbling infastructure, we would be a lot better off. Honestly, I make light of this topic and poke fun, because honestly, at this point theres nothing left to do but that. Our leaders in Washington are flushing our great nation down the toilet, and nothing short of a revolution is going to stop the train wreck that's around the bend. As average American citizens, we are powerless to stop this crazyness, I only hope for the betterment of our once great nation and the world as a whole that I am able to rise up into power one day and take the helm of our sinking nation. We are not doing anyone any favors with our occupation of these countries. As soon as big brother leaves, the roaches will slither out of their hiding places and take control.

        March 22, 2011 at 12:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      Apparently my German is rusty too, because I didn't realize "J" means "do_che bag".

      By criticizing the Germans and calling them out for their (long past) crimes without acknowledging that there could be some legitimacy to that which they've uncovered, you're missing the point.

      I'm a proud American myself: a supporter of freedom, peace, our men and women in uniform, and all the things that make us Americans. To think that stories like these exist in the first place and may very well have a factual basis in truth makes me sick to my stomach.

      If you had the same kind of respect for everything that is right and good about our country as I do, I suggest you should be among the first to "throw our troops under the bus" if you have any credible evidence that these kinds of atrocities are being committed, whether the person wears a uniform or not. Americans should never be in the business of committing, allowing, supporting or promoting the kind of senseless violence that was allegedly committed by these two soldiers.

      March 22, 2011 at 12:52 am | Report abuse |
      • J

        I was making a funny you moron

        March 22, 2011 at 1:00 am | Report abuse |
    • ZweiStein

      "Der Spiegel" = "The Mirror" A magazine with articles of all kinds, not just politics. Very popular.

      Read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn the "Gulag Archipelago" to understand how a nation can submit to a dictator. Although it's Russian (in English of course) it will shed light on how the Germans got the reputation you attribute to them.

      March 22, 2011 at 1:33 am | Report abuse |
  5. Eddie V

    First of all, we would never see a taliban tried for murder against an Amreican in war time, and second, I saw video of taliban men making a 12 year old boy decapitate a man as part of his mandatory initiation into the taliban. They gave him a knife that was about 10 inches long..maybe, and because of his age, took a long time. Children here would never be subject to this barbaric evil, and would be traumatized just to see someone do it.

    March 22, 2011 at 12:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Lee

      What has what the taliban does have to do with anything? Because they do things we consider atrocities that somehow gives us the right as well? I thought we were supposed to be better than that. I know we aren't and there is enough of our history to show that. Look at Abu Grhaib, at the lack of any real penalities for the way we treated those people. Look at Mei Lei where we massacred dozens of people, men, women, children, infants and no punishment was meted out. No when I hear the Pentagon saying things like this are taken seriously, we should all know better.

      March 22, 2011 at 12:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Elvis

      Eddie you would not see a Taliban person posing for such a photo because the Taliban is not tearing behind all over America, killing civilians and destroying our towns.

      March 22, 2011 at 1:00 am | Report abuse |
  6. J

    That's a big dude. I now understand why the men over there insist there women cover up from head to toe. blahk -shiver up my spine-

    March 22, 2011 at 12:24 am | Report abuse |
  7. Gino

    And that's just the tip of the iceberg!

    March 22, 2011 at 12:22 am | Report abuse |
  8. wrkin hrd

    If you don't like our military and what it stands for move, leave and stay out. The only reason you are able to express your opinion is beacause of our countries military and government actions and what it stands for. People are quick to judge but wouldn't last a minute in there boots. Go back to sipping your expresso's and hugging your trees.

    March 22, 2011 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
    • pierce

      you sound like a little dictator.
      you would be dangerous to have as a leader.

      You personify what a militaristic dictatorship would be in your fantasies.

      March 22, 2011 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Robert Gates

      That's not a military that is Genocide, if that is what the military stands for then we don't want it. I don't care what race they are Afghanistan, Americans, Chinese, that is a human life. If you think you tuff pulling a trigger you should see how tuff it is to learn how to appreciate life and hug a tree. You tuff enough to go through it all but when it comes to life you fall weaken down in depression and anger hating life. Love is what you need, anyone can pull a trigger and go to war but only few can Love unconditionally. I'm a proud tree higher, and I saved a caterpillar the other day, I did something most of you tuff guy wouldn't even comprehend. I love you Brother, I hope we all as a global world can one day see that war don't bring peace and will never be the way. As a world we need to learn to love one another once and for all. I don't care if I never met you in my life. I love you, and I'm not scared to say this to anyone. Love is and always will be the most powerfulest force in existence.

      March 22, 2011 at 12:47 am | Report abuse |
      • ZweiStein

        Touching speech. Human nature won't (and never has) supported your idealistic desires for mankind. That's why you will not find one – NOT ONE – community in the whole world without some internal strife (not to mention external strife.) The animal world is no different – something as basic and instinctual as mating.....ooooowee.....don't even look at my woman!

        March 22, 2011 at 1:09 am | Report abuse |
  9. pierce

    Remind me again who the terrorists are.
    Kinda confused, here.

    March 22, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
    • brad

      collateral damage may happen quite often, but this type of crap is due to sick guys, it only takes a couple to cause a lot of PR issues. we definitely are terrorists. we want to terrorize our enemy. but, i haven't seen enough information over the last several years to indicate that we have lost site of the mission in the same way the American public has.

      March 22, 2011 at 1:13 am | Report abuse |
  10. Brian

    Why are we in Afghanistan????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    March 21, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • 7565

      On 11 September 2001, Al Queda Operatives hijacked four commercial airliners, of which three were used to destroy the World Trade Center and damage the Pentagon, causing the loss of nearly 3,000 people. The Taliban government in Afghanistan provided safe haven to Al Queda, refusing to turn its leadership over to the United States Government. As a result the United States initiated military action in order to prevent another terrorist attack from being comitted by Al Queda. The Taliban still exist, Al Queda still exists, and without NATO servicemen and women in Afghanistan to take up their time, they will go back to plotting their next big attack. That is why we are in Afghanistan. Bemoan it all you like, but recognize that the more breathing space Al Queda has, the more time, effort, and money they will be able to devote to killing innocent civillians in Europe, the United States, and wherever else they don't care for the religious climate.

      March 22, 2011 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
      • angry jack

        don't make me angry...you won't like me when i get angry...

        March 22, 2011 at 1:01 am | Report abuse |
    • ZweiStein

      This is only my guess: Look at a map of the region. Pakistan has nukes – want them in the hands of Islamic radicals? And, notice how Afgh is located in the path of a Chinese stroll into the oil-rich regions. As you know, in the near future, China will need more oil and more oil and more oil. No easy land-grabs allowed. So ... nukes in Pak, path for China. And consider a Pak-China coalition. The scenarios are many. That's only my guess. There's probably a lot of shlt we don't know. You know it's not about tracking down any 9-11 terrorists any more. Most of them were Saudi anyway – we were sold a bad line.

      March 22, 2011 at 12:50 am | Report abuse |
  11. Sea

    Damn Terrorist!

    March 21, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Lindsay

    Imagine how much money they could save by "allowing" their wives to dance!

    March 21, 2011 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • brad

      did I hear Afghan version of Footloose?

      March 22, 2011 at 1:20 am | Report abuse |
  13. The_Mick

    There is NO long term gain to be had be remaining there. The ancient Roman Empire would campaign through barbarian territories to teach them a lesson then withdraw. They knew better than to ruin themselves by spending too much on wars.

    March 21, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
  14. lara

    As a Operation Iraqi Freedom Veteran I find this disgusting. They have stained and violated the values we fight for ...

    March 21, 2011 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • pierce

      But what values?

      Might makes right?

      The Soviets already tried that. And failed.
      And the British before them. And failed.
      And the Ottoman Empire before them. And failed.
      And the Arab nations before them. And failed.
      And the Persians before them. And failed.

      We are the latest. The Taliban will take over a month after we leave. And the afghans will learn to do business with them.
      Never mind 4,000 families whose lives have been shattered.

      For the values of . . . .

      March 22, 2011 at 12:32 am | Report abuse |
      • 7565

        hmmm....Honor, Courage, Committment? The principle that all people deserve life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Gee, I can think of a lot of values that "we" fight for, and as much as you apologists like to think that our motives are somehow tied to money and profit, we fight to make the world a better place for the children of today so that they might get an education, live in a nation where they aren't forced to wear a burqua, where women are permitted to obtain an education. Before you spout off with a cultural relatavism defesne, do you have a daughter? Do you think it's cool for her to be a second class citizen (perhaps that's too gentle of a way of putting it) solely based on gender? I love how you all love to use your freedoms to talk about topics on which you have no first-hand experience, and then lambast the people who hang their life on the line with startling frequency to protect that right for you and grant it to others in countries where but for the grace of God you might have grown up.

        March 22, 2011 at 12:46 am | Report abuse |
      • Omar Bradley

        Ditto everything 7565 said. Amen, brother/sister.

        March 22, 2011 at 1:19 am | Report abuse |
    • sw

      Lara, 
      Thank you for your service, first of all. I think you've hit on the most important point. It's one thing to support or not support the wars that are currently going on. From my experience, many of the individuals overseas simply (not degrade their sacrifices) want to make a difference and help. It's unfortunate that a few individuals who partake in such atrocities can completely cloud and erase in many ways those other individuals who genuinely are good people. Please know that I respect, admire and am continually grateful
      For your service, despite my political thoughts on the wars. Honestly, I see them as two very different things in many cases. 

      It's a question for our leaders regarding, in my opinion, taking advantage of these good people with good intentions and the desire to help –  and for what? Historically, with other conflicts, too, how many of those serving knew the true reasons behind them risking their lives? Yes Al Qaeda is a threat and they should be challenged and fought against to protect our people. But, was Al Qaeda in Iraq to nearly the same extent as other places? Not quite. Every Muslim is not a terrorist just as every Christian is not a "crusader". Not every Jew is a crazed Zionist. We all need to realize that we have blemishes on our cultures' history, we're all human and thus unfortunately there really isn't away around that. 

      My relatives were killed in the Nazi concentration camps and it was "justified" because they were considered less than human. This is what we say Al Qaeda essentially says about Americans. Please, let's not sink to that level by dehumanizing people  and end up proving them right. 

      I realize there were a few tangents in this post, but I feel strongly that many people are blinded by fear to fully understand what's going on (people on BOTH sides). 

      March 22, 2011 at 2:00 am | Report abuse |
  15. debasisg

    The truth is that these two are not isolated individuals. American atrocities reflect the hateful sentiment of a large section of Americans. When the folks are young, less educated and have been brainwashed wrongly by pedophile priests at their small towns, this is what you get.

    March 21, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Viking6

      When the folks are young, less educated and have been brainwashed wrongly by pedophile imams at their madrassas, this is what you get.

      March 21, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • veljo1

        So far, one thing is for sure, everything else is just a speculation.....All organized pedopile forces, have been found so far, masked as Chatolic priests.........

        March 21, 2011 at 11:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yossarian

        Swing and a miss, Viking6.

        March 21, 2011 at 11:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ralphie

      Whacked. These guys don't represent America, they represent (and disgrace) themselves.

      March 21, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • prodjectmayhem

      nice your an idiot

      March 22, 2011 at 12:04 am | Report abuse |
  16. Mara Mandan

    So what if a woman dances? You are a woman hating pig, who can think of a woman only with perverted mind. It is great that this woman is able to dance in spite of all the stuff that is going on in Afghanistan.

    March 21, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Viking6

    The real crime here is that out-of-regs mustache and a non SOF type wearing what appears to be Raichles. Where were the CSMs?

    March 21, 2011 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Punjab Redlight District

    This is from PUNJAB province, anyone can visit the red light district of Punjab called Hari Mandi...or If you are in a hotel in Lahore or Islamabad, the clerks will give you contacts for these Pakistani girls or look under the tissue box for their phone number to come to you..I know I visited Punjab, you will not be disappointed

    March 21, 2011 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
  19. vlad

    dont ask dont tell. a couple of trigger hapy gay soldiers

    March 21, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
  20. forkE

    It looks like these people have been in a cage match with ABDULLAH THE BUTCHER.

    March 21, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Seth

    It's War. They are doing what you are to scared to do. War is brutal....stop making a big deal about what has been going on for thousands of years.

    March 21, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • John D.

      So they are suppose to take photos of themselves with someone they had just killed who was also innocent? And you call it just war. Using your analogy, why don't we start justifying the terrorist attacks also. After all, its just war. Right?

      March 21, 2011 at 10:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • aatami

      Actually Seth, it;s not a war. A war is between two armies. This is a police action, it's an army occupying a foreign country and attempting to dictate over a sovereign nation. You are obviously somewhat dimwitted as you have bought the propaganda hook line and sinker. I hope you are not responsible for the lives of any children.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ralphie

        Sounds like you've bought a bunch of Huffington Post propaganda hook line and sinker.

        March 21, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • thorrsman

        Pretty far off the mark there, aatami. The Taliban were once the rulers of Afghanistan, a brutal 7th century theocracy that welcomes and supported terrorists, among other atrocities. They got the boot thanks to Americans who freed the Afghan people. NOW Americans remain in Afghanistan because the Taliban, staging out of their home in Pakistan, are trying to regain their stranglehold on Afghanistan through terror attacks on what government there is. These murderous thugs strike mostly at the people themselves, slaughtering women and children, poisoning school girls and generally acting in such a way that they deserve no mercy whatsoever.

        March 21, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Thorresman – wrong- the Taliban are not a VII century theocracy, as their juridic law was created just 200 years ago. They are a modern form of Islam.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:02 am | Report abuse |
  22. thorrsman

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
    An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."
    Kipling

    Not too many of our side get taken prisoner, you notice. And those who are taken need to be buried in a closed coffin. Keep that in mind when you criticize those who do what you will not do.

    March 21, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Semper Fi don't hide

    These pictures are not becoming of what the Servive men and women represent. However These are pictures are of the enemy that was trying to kill the troops taking the pictures. The enemy uses pictures of dead marines being dismembered, beheaded and dragged through the streets. War sucks and people die and people kill each other. Those who do the bidding of those who don't participate in it and only sit in judgement have no place doing so.

    March 21, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2/8

      I agree, war is hell, and it brings out the best AND worst in people. It's a shame though, people who haven't been downrange have no idea what it can do to someone. These things happen....

      March 21, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • weak sauce

      They have every right. It's called freedom, man. Now, you could choose to live elsewhere where we don't fight to uphold people's freedoms, but you won't. So, even though I fully agree with the rest of your opinion, I totally disagree that people don't have the right to voice their concern just because they aren't soldiers. What a load....

      March 21, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • weak sauce

      In fact, if ya just woulda stopped at "War sucks and people die and people kill each other.", I would've completely agreed with everything you stated.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • ColtAR-15

      "Those who do the bidding of those who don't participate in it and only sit in judgement have no place doing so." If you served, then I am grateful for your service, sincerely. Your statement, however, is crap. Tell me, what RIGHTS do you think they're fighting FOR? To sit in judegement of our nation's actions, and those who represent it, is not only our right, it is our DUTY.

      March 21, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      I HAVE THE PLACE ANS SAY: SEMPER F.Y.

      March 22, 2011 at 3:04 am | Report abuse |
  24. Jeff

    Yokobi, you have no substance behind anything you say. It honestly sounds like you've been brain washed to hate anyone who's not muslim. I do sympathize for you because unfortunately this is happening to young muslim children everywhere. You think evil should be done to those that are evil; well that just continues the cycle. I know it's hard for you to understand this and I don't expect you to. I have one question for you and everyone else. Why is it that Islam murders its' own people every day? More people die in the name of this "religion of peace" than by any other religion. But who can blam you? Your just following the words of the Quran. Such a wonderful message it brings too, justifying the murder of thousands every year.

    March 21, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Jeff – you are brainwashed in American madrass, not Yacobi. I am 100% linked to the west and no link with middle east, but I agree with Yacobi as we have superior culture. Internal fights inside Islam are not an american problem. Every country has the right to rule their people even to kill them, what is wrong is when you kill people abroad.

      March 22, 2011 at 3:36 am | Report abuse |
  25. shushu

    :/

    March 21, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
  26. park

    I read about half of the post on here and can not believe how quick some are to judge... How many of you have went to sleep not knowing if you'll wake up.... How many have gotten in your car and driven somewhere not knowing if you'll make it to your destination with out being blown to bits..... how many have looked into your loved ones eyes not knowing if its the last time you'll see them ever again... how many have watched a friend loose their life... how many have ever had to protect themselves by taking another humans life... This is REAL.. This is WAR.. there are thousands of men and women who live this life everyday without hesitation for little pay crappy meals and poor living conditions, They do this to protect the freedoms of US citizens even those who bash them even if it cost their own lives. Its easy to point a finger when your are warm, safe and sound sitting at your computer not fighting for your life or living in fear.. how many of you have posted about all the good will missions being conducted daily overseas ???? thats probly to boring for most no drama right... I salute all those who bravely served this country and support now and always the men and women currently serving SEMPER FI.........

    March 21, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wayne, Belleville, Canada

      The difference between a professional soldier of honour and a murderer in uniform.

      I have served in two militaries and find your excuses repungnant. Just think of what your are condoning.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZweiStein

        Two militaries? Not enough loyalty to one? Or, maybe not enough (if any) action? Ever had your helmet blown off your head and not know by who – how – from where? Am I bleeding? Is there lead? Are they on top of me? Can't see em! Skru you Wayne. Join a third one – the Libyan army.

        March 21, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • park

        I do not condone the murder of innocent people, However I find it discusting the blatent attack on here, by american citizens on the military as a whole for the actions of a few their names and rank are known call them out as individuals do not deface what many brave men and women have done for this country If you can not stand behind those who fight for your freedom feel free to stand in front of them ........

        March 21, 2011 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      park – All american soldiers are baby killers and deserve to die. Stay home and you will not blow up, it simple, stupid.

      March 22, 2011 at 3:37 am | Report abuse |
  27. AfghanMarine

    Anyone commenting in here ever been outside the wire, awake for 41 straight hours, low on ammo, and everything that moves is a possible hostile? Take that scenario and repeat it for 12 months, then you get to go home for 3-4 months and do it all over again...and again...I'm in no way justifying what these men did and I don't know enough about them or their service to say it was done under stress, BUT (yes the b word) you and I and no-one that thinks they are an armchair general deserves to formulate an opinion and preach it as reality until all the facts come in. I for one would like to say that over 2.5 million Americans have moved through Iraq and Afghanistan and if 2 dozen or so are the only bad apples we've shown...well we as a military aren't doing to bad. I read the civilian news everyday and see far more mothers and fathers abusing children than I do a uniformed service member...just food for thought.

    March 21, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • ZweiStein

      Amen!

      March 21, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Semper Fi

      Amen indeed brother

      March 21, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        SEMPER F.Y.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:38 am | Report abuse |
    • KG

      You are absolutely correct, thank you.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Texas Bo

      Cheers and thank you for your service! Ill wait for more info before passing my unwanted, uneducated opinion!

      March 21, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jonathan

      Well stated.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Les

    I served in the U.S. army for several years. I am also a combat veteran of the Iraq War. I could tell everyone first hand, that if the Army doesn't educate it's soldiers' more, it is just going to continue to happen. We will continue to get embarrased over and over again. This also has to do with recruting standards, the promotion process and the huge separation between officers and enlisted....ooops I almost forgot the neverending dog and pony shows. If you don't agree you are either brainwashed, have not experienced it yourself, or just love the dog and pony shows.

    March 21, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
  29. KG

    Let me start off by saying I do not agree with what our soldiers did. If the people in the pictures were indeed unarmed civilians they should not have killed them then take the pictures in question and pose with the corpses. I do not think these pictures should have been made public, I have a good stomach and usually seeing bad things does not get to me, but these pics made me sick. If these soldiers are found guilty then they deserve the punishment. I do not agree with the comments about our military being psychopaths and killers. The military as a whole should not be looked down upon for isolated incidents like this made by sick people. These soldiers which some of you call killers or psychopaths, fought to give Americans all the freedoms we have. They have been protecting us and our freedoms and dying for us to keep them. I personally know many men that are serving or have served and they are by no means psychopaths. So please do not lump the few bad seeds into the same pile as the good men and women who serve our country. Granted like I said what our soldiers did was wrong, but I think the beheading a few years back by the Taliban (if I remember correctly) was much much worse to show.

    March 21, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      SHAME ON ALL THE MILITARY. IT IS NOT A PROBLEM OF FEW SOLDIERS, IT IS A LEADERSHIP PROBLEM AS WELL.

      March 22, 2011 at 3:40 am | Report abuse |
  30. msg

    Wow. So much concentrated stupidity from all sides, it's amazing this page hasn't crashed the entire site.

    We've got several soldiers who have murdered multiple civilians. This is not in dispute; it's the facts of the case. These soldiers, whether unhinged to begin with, or undone by the daily horrors they endure, are charged with illegal, immoral, and inhuman atrocities. The evidence against them is strong, and I personally hope they are locked away for life, or given the death penalty. And while it may be true that taliban forces will remove weapons to make the dead merely appear to be civilian, there is exactly zero evidence of such taking place in this case. In fact, IIRC what I heard reported previously about this case, there are some confessions by one or more of the "accomplices" which directly implicate the accused of the crimes they're being charged with!

    That said, we're talking about a *couple* whackjobs, here... These guys do *NOT* represent the 99.9999% of our troops, who go out every day and risk their lives to do the jobs we've asked them to do. They are an anomaly, an aberration. The vast majority of our troops simply want to do their job, and maybe even try to help the Afghani people they encounter. For anyone to extrapolate these morons' actions out to the entire US military's presence there is just plain wrong.

    Should we have gone there in the first place? To Afghanistan, I think "yes"; to Iraq, definitely not. Should we still be there? Well, there ought to have been better planning of an exit strategy, so from that perspective, no; however, we cannot simply walk away at this point, leaving utter chaos in our wake. We are now, for better or worse, obligated to rebuild and reestablish *some* sort of infrastructure upon which the Afghan people can stand by themselves.

    Blame shrub, blame Obama, blame whoever you want.... But don't blame the other 99.99999% of the troops.... All *they* want is to so their jobs, so they can get back home to their own families.

    (apologies for any typos... Did this from my phone, and "proof-reading" is just not practical.)

    March 21, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • KG

      Thank you for your comment, I agree with what you wrote.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • NucularInternets

      Finally someone who has a logical reponse to this monstrosity of a comment section.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Myheartgoesout2Afghans

      Exactly, 99.99% of Afghans do not represent Taliban or any sort of the uncivilized BS we are taught...Afghans are people of values and tolerance, if we are told and our army is taught this than it would be not kill...and I agree that these acts do not reflect our soldiers, but we need to own it and hold them accountable- we have a moral obligation to humanity and base our action on higher moral standards...American patriotism does not mean we follow our army in to killing, we raise our voice to save and strenght our defense so we are not used or manipulated by europeans, Israelis or Pakistanis into carrying out inhumane wars. I ask how many Afghans were involved in 9/11 or how many Afghans have killed any western in a western country, name one? Exactly, ZERO. Lets accept others and for sake of humanity understand others, lets not fall into taliban or ISI or Pentagon propagandas, go visit Afghanistan...don't draw conclusions from others.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      I BLAME 100% OF THE US TROOPS AS BABY KILLERS AND THINK IT IS BETTER FOR THE WORLD IF THEY DIE

      March 22, 2011 at 3:42 am | Report abuse |
  31. rsps

    Oh shut up you woman hater.
    If you don't want to watch her dance don't look up clips on you tube.

    March 21, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
  32. OldDotte

    IF THEY SUPPORT OR CONDONE OR "ALLOW" THE TALIBAN TO EXIST, THEY ARE NOT 'INNOCENT'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry.

    March 21, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anisah

      That's an unfair assumption, and by your statement I can assume you are a bigot. You don't know that boy, or what he supports. I guess he just lived in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dr. Delhi

      U$ Military = War Criminals !!

      March 21, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • capnmike

      ABSOLUTELY!!! Besides which, these dirtbags don't wear uniforms...the Taliban are ALL "Civilians".

      March 21, 2011 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dindu

      We "ALLOW" the KKK and neo-nazis to exist in the US. According to your logic, we are not innocent and should be shot?

      I'd also like to point out that the Taliban came to power by force. An innocent Afghan had no say in the matter. You sound like a bigot with your generalization.

      "Knowledge is power" Old Dotte.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      IDIOT I SUPPORT TALIBAN RIGHT TO EXIST EVEN IF DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THEIR OPINION. US SOLDIERS ARE BEBY KILLERS AND DESERVE TO DIE.

      March 22, 2011 at 3:43 am | Report abuse |
  33. Selfish Gene Simmons

    Newscaster model in video says "posing with ENEMY bodies".

    HOW do you know they are ENEMY bodies? Is there evidence to that? Or is CNN trying to sway perception?

    Also the repeated us of the term "ROGUE soldiers" is troublesome.

    There's no such thing as ROGUE soldiers. This is a military war culture that supports, encourages this. I suspect its not limited to just a few "rogue" soldiers.

    Truly appalling. A major reason why I wince when I hear "support our troops" and "the brave service men..."

    In fairness, NOT representative of the whole US military but a very serious problem in humanity in MANY. Something gone very, very wrong not only within the military but in our USA culture that would also breed these types. It comes from an upbringing also, don't steer responsibility.

    March 21, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • ZweiStein

      If more people just like you joined up, there would be less room for those "rogues." Well, what are you waiting for? Mom won't mind if you leave for a few years. She might even like what comes back. Get going! Don't worry, we'll still support the military, even if you are in there.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Sean

    So let me get this straight....its ok to say that all American soldiers are "beasts and muderers", but when someone says all arabs are terrorists, its racism and bigotry? Ok then...

    March 21, 2011 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Theresa

      Ha. Thank you.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Myheartgoesout2Afghans

      Sean, you repeated what Ghaddafi recently said...BTW Afghans are not Arabs, you might need to take a geography class or maybe its time to get a passport and discover the world beyond America- you might learn tolerance and discover the truth..I think the Egyptians held more peaceful rallies than we can in white American sponsored rallies.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Sean – american soldiers act collectively and are all murderers. Terrorists are few individuals.

      March 22, 2011 at 3:12 am | Report abuse |
  35. Ted

    Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
    But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll

    -Kipling

    March 21, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
  36. megagadha

    not an act of a human being

    March 21, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Cite them for treason and murder. Disgusting! I am repulsed as a vet and an American.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
  37. bmill

    what ever happened to patriotism? in my eyes we are not done with this until we find and make an example of every last person involved with 9/11. that includes those fighting to protect or hide said individuals. as far as the civilian casualties, it is a downright shame. but lets face it, we are taking an article from a newspaper nobody has heard of till now as gospel. give them their trial, and as for the war, lets get those pr*cks that attacked our country and so many other countries so we can bring our soldiers home. (or to the next place lol)

    March 21, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • RLD

      Derspiegel is considered a VERY reputable german newspaper all over the world including in the US. Just because you haven't heard of it does not mean we all haven't

      March 21, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • ummmwaitaminute

      you're stupid. Der Spiegel is a very famous newspaper in Germany, about the same as the New York Times or The Guardian from the UK... but, then again, you're ignorant ass probably didn't even know of The Guardian either

      March 21, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Daniel

      Just because you're living under a rock and haven't heard from Der Spiegel, doesn't mean the rest of us haven't. It's light years ahead of some American outlets you would consider reputable.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • acutemind

      If you haven't heard of Der Spiegel then you probably live under a rock or just an ignorant American (and I'm American) I've traveled to the Caribbean and met natives there who know about Der Spiegel. It is the foremost newspaper in Germany similar to say the NY Times here in the US and is well known in Europe. Just because you're IGNORANT and unlearned doesn't mean everyone else is.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Ted

    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
    But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;

    -Kipling

    Awful hard to turn the killing on and off

    March 21, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Blake

    Ugh, first the germans dont help in lybia now they publish this. To what end? How is this going to help the afghanistan effort? These people are nuts and should be delt with quietly as possible. These photos will just be used to recruit taliban. Nice going spiegel..not

    March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • ZweiStein

      Don't confuse "Der Spiegel" with the German Gov't. or people. If you do, you may likewise equate "The Enquirer" with the American Gov't. and people. A really good question would be: Where did the photos come from, and how did "Der Spiegel" get them? I notice the article referred to "Der Spiegel" as the German news outlet. No more than "The Enquirer."

      March 21, 2011 at 9:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thomas

      I think you have it incorrect, it was not the "Germans" it was a Newspaper in Germany that elected to show these pictures. I think in most free countries a paper that had access to these would have done the same. I personally think that words could be used to describe the pictures and the pictures left out.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:15 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Kate

    Unfortunately, the U.S. military accepts anyone with a pulse. Most of these kids have no other options in life. They are abused by their parents and violence is just a way of life since they were born. So, it's no wonder they have no care for human life and murder innocent civilians and take their body parts as trophies. These serial killers and the parents of these military serial killers are clearly pure evil.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • NucularInternets

      This is just completely untrue. Joining the military is actually harder than ever before. Go to your local recruiting office and they will honestly look into your smallest medical imperfection and reject you. Another misinformed person.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZweiStein

        Absolutely right Nucular! You will recall that the Tucson shooter was also turned down to enlist. I personally know a young man that was also turned down which actually surprised me (the rejected guy seems pretty normal etc) they must have found something which wasn't so good or so obvious.

        March 21, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • James

      War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
      JSM
      Choke on it

      March 21, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • acutemind

        Geez I don't thing I've ever heard this much psychobabble nonsense distraction BS. And I say distraction because it has nothing to do with what these soldiers are accused of. People like you always try to justify evil. Some wars are indeed just. There is nothing just in what these soldiers are accused of doing, only and soley EVIL. What were they fighting for? To see how well they could prop up the corpses of the civilians they killed?

        March 21, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • MbarH

      Lot harder to pass selection that most people think, this isnt vietnam where they take any cannon fodder, soldiers are expensive to train, that said, when these types of stories come to light, and the public gets a hold of them, our uncle sam likes to betray its own to save face, our gov dont care about the people or the ones that die for them.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Richard

    Great! I know in my heart that this is isolated, but the actions of a few reflect so bably on the many. I pray that their stupidity does not endanger others in the theatre and justice prevails.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Tom

    This should make huge headlines across the Nation just like Abu Ghraib did in...3..2..1..."crickets chirping" Oh wait, Dem in the WH...never mind.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Niclas

      That's exactly right. Amazing how the newsmedia are the new puppets of Obama.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • 206

      Exactly right. Hardly a trace of this story as of today to be found.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZooLife

        Because it's not news. They where already caught and are facing charges for the crimes. I guess people have realized that the Wikileaks "Cablegate" is over hyped BS so Der Spiegel has switched to manufactured "American Atrocity" headlines to sell ads and make money.

        March 21, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • niteVision

      So....this headline wasn't big enuf for you? Also – this was 2 individuals. Abu Ghraib was many, many more. Please stop attempting to extend the parallels further than they go to make your silly political point.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • 206

        CNN blog? No.

        March 21, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
  43. Kate

    An eye for an eye. The military court should hold Spc. Jeremy Morlock and Pfc. Andrew Holmes accountable to the same extent as they do Iraqi and Afghani prisoners in Guantanamo. Each of them should be forced to endure years of torture in U.S. rendition sites, then be convicted of murder, and sentenced to death. Their families should be captured, rended to foreign torture sites (Egypt, Jordan, etc.) and tortured for actionable intelligence, held without charges for 10+ years and then released without charges to some foreign country for additional torture and inhumane treatment. After all, it is the American way....

    March 21, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom

      Thanks for stopping by and reminding us of the American Way....where you are free to be anything you want...including a moron.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Niclas

      Kate – you are a moron and a thug.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • ZT

      What? An-eye-for-an-eye, but two wrongs never make aright. Besides from reports and pictures it seems its the entire military that has to ubdergo a reform.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rich

      So here comes Kate trying to paint all American Soldiers with the same brush right!!!! People like you make me sick, you take the actions of a couple of bad apples and then say that it is part and parcel of U.S. Policy to torture innocent people. Kate, you are one of those nut jobs who prances around with a sign and denounces all americans as being evil, I'm sure your probably an Israel hater as well, cause you sound like one of those looney leftists that are in bed with the islamists. I'm sure you probably think all arabs are victims of American imperialism too. Like I said, your kind makes me want to puke

      March 22, 2011 at 12:12 am | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      KATE- AGREED.

      March 22, 2011 at 3:44 am | Report abuse |
  44. srichey

    Rogue squad doing stuff they shouldn't be doing? Just men being men. I can only imagine what the taliban does to an american soldier when they catch one.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brucemo

      I think that murdering someone in cold blood goes quite a bit beyond "men being men", and I can't see how anyone can argue otherwise without having moral standards that are, frankly, depraved.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Dan

    This article is heavily slanted. Read any other account and it says the victim photographed was a teenage boy, who lifted his shirt (as can be seen in the pictures) to show he wasn't armed when the troops called him over. These 'soldiers' are just sick psychopaths and should be facing the death penalty.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • acutemind

      Well said! They are American terrorists.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
  46. Hiruu

    Great, as if there isn't already enough headaches for us to deal with...geesh.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Sy2502

    Why is anybody here surprised that somebody who voluntarily chose to go into the military would enjoy killing? If they didn't, they would have chosen another job.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • ArGuard1234

      That is a complete ignorant by someone who has clearly never served a day (Other than yourself)

      March 21, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • ZweiStein

      How many other jobs are there that provide not only a paycheck, but also a place to sleep, meals, health care etc. etc., for a young person aged 18 up?

      March 21, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • 206

        Very true. What some laud as "courage, manliness, patriotic, etc" can also be equally referred to as the ultimate welfare program.

        March 21, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • hopper001

      Yeah, everyone on the miilitary is a baby killer. NOT!!! You're a moron and this is repugnant to every honorable soldier that is serving or has served. Take your liberal viewpoint and ideal and crawl back under that rock.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZweiStein

        Pleassse..hopper! Don't include all liberals with that sort of viewpoint. Liberals may have different political views, but they are no less patriotic.

        March 21, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • EJS

        All volunteer army = Mercenary Army ; with all the financial inducements/priveledges/benefits... I beleive an Mercenary Army is a major contradiction with the principles of American Democracy....Mercenary Armys kill anybody , anywhere, anytime for the paycheck.... the dont fight for freedom, or to end a war and return as home asap, they just keep killing to advance some Economic goals of who khows who... and to earn a paycheck...

        March 21, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • NoDoubt

      Wow.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • c.b

      That comment is typical of someone that has neither the courage, patriotism or understanding of self sacrifice to have ever served. Comments like that discredit every veteran that has ever served this country. The actions of a few men should never define a group. Every racist, anti-Semite and bigot in the world has done the same. In ending I hope one day you have the stones to say that to a vets face and get the beating you deserve.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm | Report abuse |
  48. ZweiStein

    The thousands upon thousands of people the US military trains every year to become functional, effective soldiers is astounding. Yet, they do it and the soldiers are the best in the world. Certainly, with the sheer numbers involved, you can expect some "bad apples" to surface. When it does happen, our military does take steps to rectify the situation. These guys are being court-martialed. If indeed the prescribed medication should have precluded further combat involvement, then the commander that did not remove the soldier from combat (weapon carrying) duties, should likewise face UCMJ scrutiny and possible charges.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dasani*

      Very nice comment indeed!

      March 21, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • ZooLife

      Yup. I had tried to post a similar comment but it hasn't showed up. There have been over 2 million US military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan over the years. Mostly young males. I'm surprised there aren't more crimes being committed considering the population size and demographics.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZweiStein

        You know, during Viet Nam and post VN, there existed a policy referred to as "Project 100,000." I don't know if it still exists, but let me expound a bit. It used to be that the military had to accept that many people that the courts sent. Yes, the judges had the authority to send some really shoddy characters to us. We had to train and use them. And, know what? The vast majority turned out really great. Yes, some found permanent 'homes' in the military and were very effective at what they were trained for. The difference – they were treated and rewarded (rank & money) the same as everyone else. Funny how that worked. But some were definitely BAD.

        March 21, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • jon

      I think what you say is especially true given the nature of the job. Unfortunately I'm sure some people join the military simply because they wish to murder others and it seems like a way to do so without being punished. Though this is disgusting the vast majority of armed services people are good people with honor.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZweiStein

        People like that also emerge in police departments sometimes. Hard to detect them ahead of time. "Hotdogs."

        March 21, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • 206

      I might have believed that before my cousin just completed her army training. Dumb as rocks, little college partying blonde with too much school debt = US Army (welfare). Facebook updates all day long, "Battles for life" mantra like an idiot. Still the same ditzy fool, now with a gun in her hand. But I get it, if you served and took that welfare check/benefits, you kind of have to think you're a hero for life or how would you sleep?

      March 21, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZooLife

        You can always identify someone that doesn't have a clue about military service because they make misinformed comments like yours. Military service, even outside of the dangers, is VERY hard work for relatively little pay. I spent 4 years in the USAF working for far less than I would have made in the civilian sector and I can assure you I earned every penny of my paycheck. Your claim that military service is "welfare" is completely ridiculous.

        March 21, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZweiStein

        You judge a lot of people (hundreds of thousands) by the one you know (or think you know). For all I know, you are a lousy judge – maybe she's now a totally different person (the military can do that) than you ever knew. Maybe when she gets out she'll shine and lead a very good, productive life. And, then again, maybe not. Just don't judge a huge organization too quickly.

        March 21, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • ZweiStein

        Forgot to add one more thing 206. I forgot to mention that you sound like a spoiled, protected little shlt. Welfare? Skru U. People who are willing to risk their lives for you, and get paid for it in cash and kind are NOT on welfare. They don't get overtime or Paid Time Off in lieu of over-time. They're on the clock 24/7 and do what is asked of them. Just because there are no apparent threats to your hide right now, if there ever is, they'll be there, and some will end up eating lead for you. If you had a hair on your azz, you'd put a few years in and feel good about yourself.

        March 21, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
  49. DarrellS

    What other possible outcome would anyone expect from War? That everything would be done all respectful and clean? We're asking men and women to go out and kill other human beings. There are going to be incidents like these without fail because of the nature of the beast. At least the military has court martialed these individuals, and they'll go to trial. But if you want this type of stuff to stop, the War will have to stop.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Tom

    Still Bush's fault...right?

    March 21, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • ZweiStein

      Of course....dumb azz. – Just like your hero.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • FloridaDave

      You got dat right!

      March 21, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • someone

      Idiot bush is the one who sent us to war to begin with. Who else could be at fault. How soon you forget!

      March 21, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
  51. ricw

    why punish the Americans, when muslims cut off soldiers heads...this is war, shoot em all and let god sort them out!

    March 21, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nubia

      Because we're not the terrorists.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kris

      Thank you ricw. You just proved my point. Congratulations! Shoot them all. Now there's a smart answer. You must be so proud. Wonder what you would think if you were first in line for the bullet!

      March 21, 2011 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fig1024

      By that logic, if Hitler killed all the Jews it should be OK for us to pick a race and kill them all. Right? if someone's doing something bad, why should we be left out of the fun? We must always be #1!

      March 21, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • acutemind

      Ah Nubia...but see we are. We just like to pretend we aren't and benefit from might makes right. Wars of choice = terrorism.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Joe

    All the accused are innocent until proven guilty. However, should anyone be found guilty, I suspect (hope) their butts will be nailed to the floorboards – the long course at Leavenworth. Can the military still sentence one to life at hard labor? In this case, I hope so.
    What I am troubled not hearing about is where was the platoon sergeant, the platoon leader, the 1st sergeant, and the company commander. Where was the leadership who should have either prevented this (possibly not easy) or who should have initiated an investigation. I did not spend almost 10 years in the infantry to believe for an instant that no one mentioned anything to command.
    I must admit a bias. I am still POed that Nixon pardoned Lt William Calley after Calley's conviction in the My Lai massacre. I was a grunt, 0331, and an Airborne Infantry Officer and I still believe Calley should have been hanged. Not his men. Him. That would have sent a clear message and might have helped prevent this sad occurence.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Amy

    What a disgrace!...most of all a disgrace to all those soldiers who continue to risk their lives everyday and to all of those who have died...

    March 21, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve Harrington

      It's war, get over it. They cut off heads. You have had to been there to understand.....

      March 21, 2011 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      I give them the benefit of the doubt. How many tours have they pulled in Iraq or Afganistan? How long have they been in combat duty? It would not be the first time this kind of thing happend when soldiers have been pushed over the line. It does not justify the actions, but it does allow me to consider a little compassion for them. In may my brother goes over for his 5th tour between the two wars.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • acutemind

        How many shoelaces do they have? How many strands of hair do they have on their heads? How many more irrelevant questions are you going to ask?

        March 21, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Nick

    First off I want it to be known that I am Canadian. I think that this article is going to have a negative affect for sure, but I don't think it's typical of the American soldier. These men and women have been sent to a foreign country to do a very hard job, some may do things that are inappropriate and shocking but let's face it anyone put into this situation may not act responsible 100% of the time, they have done and seen things that I'm sure are hard for them to process and would kill most of us, so let's not banish them to hell for slipping a bit. I support all the soldiers US/Canadian and all of our other allies even if I don't agree with where they are. Keep your heads down and come home safe to us soon.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • acutemind

      Dude that's not slipping a bit. Geoffrey Dahmer didn't slip a bit. Ted Bundy didn't slip a bit. When you kill innocent civilians and contort and pose with their bodies for a photo then cut off a finger as a souvenir we don't call that slipping here in the states (you might do that in Canada) . We call that depravity.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Kara

    I love the "alleged atrocities", as if pictures were not enough.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Innocent till proven guilty. However guilty they may appear I would certainly appreciate having one of my civil rights in effect when appropriate.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  56. Tony Rigatoni

    How much longer will this go on? We're loading up a heIl of a Karmic debt here.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • someone

      Have we re-payed our debt for slavery already.

      March 21, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
  57. les

    Hew, come on everyone. Blame Obama. Its his war now. Just because he doesn't talki about it much and lots to be on the golf course in Rio instread, the buck still stops with him.

    Or is this just now the good old double standard?

    March 21, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jenn

      It's still Bush's war.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Kris

    I just read every comment posted and you know what; this is sad. This is sad that a country that is accepting of all cultures and faiths is not really accepting of all countries and faiths. Land of the free?? It is a country that is just as racist as any other country towards you. You think every Arab out there...is OUT to get you. You think you have a right to kill whoever you want. And you know what? You can't even control your own people from killing YOUR OWN PEOPLE! But that's another category now isn't it. It's tragic when an American kills an American. I'm not surprised some of you find this perfectly normal that 2 human beings killed 2 human beings for no other reason than to kill 2 human beings. Because apparently it's ok to kill other nations...
    So go ahead and debate over what these 2 soldiers did. Some of you out there are more uneducated than any other nation we live among, some of you are just as ignorant and just as vicious. Please continue to give your children guns, teach them to shoot and please get rid of each other... and while you are at it, blame everyone else because it's never your fault. America is perfect and America is great!!! Yeah...no wonder no one likes Americans other than Americans.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Theresa

      Ha. Speaking of ignorance, pot calling the kettle black, much?

      Just go ahead and turn a blind eye to what war actually is. If you think the American military is the only place where these things occur than you truly stupid, and I pity you.

      You do not have the balls, nor the courage, to put yourself in the position these soldiers are faced with daily.

      Do yourself and all of us a favor, and educate yourself on the ways of the world in hopes of reducing your pure ignorance.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kris

        that makes no sense. You make no sense. I know what war is. i just find it extremely sad that a country is congratulating soldiers for what they are over there trying to stop. So tell me..what are you over there for exactly??? you are the heroes right???

        March 21, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • acutemind

        Ha! Speaking of distractions...as though the US somehow escapes guilt by you saying "well we're not the only ones that do it..." You're right! We're not! We're just the only ones that do it and get away with it. Other than that we just practice high hypocrisy. Case in point Libya.

        March 21, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Theresa – you can control my balls, but I have a brain above them, and I am not so stupid to put my life in danger, neither so criminal to act like a baby killer.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Theresa

      We're congratulating them? That's funny. I'm pretty sure the article states they are both facing charges for their actions. That definitely sounds like they're getting a big congratulations!

      And yes, it does make sense. Your comment is accusing Americans of all of these wrong-doings as if this is the only place this occurs.

      You know our soldiers have their heads cut off and placed on sticks which are then paraded around, all while being video taped, right? you know that our soldiers are hung upside down on trees with their stomach's cut open and their intestines left dangling in front of their heads, right? you know that our journalists are kidnapped and beheaded on video, right? Yaa... those journalists were really deserving of that, causing so much harm, right?

      I'm sorry, but to act like America is the only place corruption occurs, and that our soldiers aren't ever treated like animals at the hands of these opposing forces is just plain stupid. Take a look around at world.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jesse

        I don't think you understand the concept "pot calling the kettle black". FAIL

        March 21, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Theresa – this is what you get when you go to another country killing men women and children.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Jenn

      Go back to your cave, moron.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
  59. robledal pedregoso

    If these soldiers are found guilty, they deserve the punishment called for in the UCMJ- they dishonored themselves as Americans and, just as bad, they dishonored all our current and past brave men and women in uniform-brutality and abuse of the defenseless we leave to Islamo-fascists,Nazis, Soviets, Chinese Communists, Italian Fascists, etc. who undoubtedly will get their real punishment from Jehovah-in HELL!!!!!!!!!

    March 21, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Wilbur

    Qadaffi must go just look at these atrocities........oh wait they were committed by America so it is okay

    March 21, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • fiery buddha

      No, they were committed by AMERICANS, not America. They weren't state sanctioned by ANYONE. These were rogue acts. Please do NOT confuse what these demented individuals did w/America.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        All America is responsible. They are soldiers and killers like all other soldiers.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:16 am | Report abuse |
    • JesusFish

      Whatever bud... the soldiers are facing justice.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sal

      Ha, they weren't state sponsored acts? Really? So who exactly armed these soldiers, who exactly put these soldiers in Afghanistan, who exactly turned a blind eye to the actions until they got busted? I don't know about you, but it seems like the U.S. government through the Army were the sponsors of all of that. This is a rogue action just as much as the Abu Ghraib scandal was a rogue action or the soldiers planting grenades in cars at Iraqi checkpoints as 'jokes' were rogue actions. Had these soldiers acted upon themselves and done a heroic act, would the Army be quick to claim credit, or would they still be "rogues?"

      March 21, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • acutemind

      That's funny Wilbur. I was thinking the same thing. I wonder whatever happened to the pilots in the Wikileaks video who killed the reporters and blew up the van containing children that came to the rescue of the guy whose legs were shot out and was crawling towards the sidewalk? Oh he's probably practicing high hypocrisy and flying and killing innocent civilians again.

      March 21, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
  61. minnbaby

    LOL – what a lame response, Keksi.

    March 21, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Mike

    I don't see what's wrong with killing these Muslim terrorists. Why not let our boys pose for a picture with their trophies? And all the Muslim terrorists commenting on here can go pound sand.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • reversi

      I don't see what's wrong with killing these [American Infidels]. Why not let our boys pose for a picture with their trophies? And all the [American Infidels] commenting on here can go [eat a hamburger].

      March 21, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • fiery buddha

      are you serious, or are you one of those individuals that gets online and makes ludicrous comments just to rile folks up?

      either way, you need help.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Brian

    I'm sure these soldiers will be treated better than Bradley Manning. Shame.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kitty Kat

      Yep, sad but true about Bradley Manning. It's not good to kill civilians for sport but apparently the real crime is telling the American people about it.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • JesusFish

      Both of you are sanctimonious idiots.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kitty Kat

        And you, JesusFish, are what? A pious hypocrite?

        March 21, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • kdubinca

      Agreed, Jesusfish!

      March 21, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Cactus Bill

    Yep. Once again, we Americans have succeeded in creating blood-thirsty monsters out of military men (and women) by invading other sovereign nation's, then "discovering" that its a lot harder to leave than it is to invade (Duh!). We can't just split, so instead stay for 5 or 10 years with a ridiculous goal i.e., "We're gunna git them terrristss". I'm a combat veteran, and I'm embarrassed at our country's lack of strategic thinking.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • kdubinca

      Perhaps he would have been a murderer even if he wasn't in a war zone or a member of the military? If it were the situation that caused him to murder, than wouldn't more soldiers do this?

      March 21, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • acutemind

        Let the speculation begin! Facts be damned!

        March 21, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Veritas

        Minus the speculation about whether the soldiers in question would have been murderers otherwise, the point you make stands. If the military makes murderers, then events like this would happen all the time and would not be isolated incidents.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:59 am | Report abuse |
  65. Dan

    hose soldiers are human beings. And human beings are mammals, not super computing calculus machines. Mammals at the end of the day are malicious biological machines. We are blessed with a frontal cortex that gives us higher level thought, but we also have are mammalian instincts lurking not far behind. Soldiers go to war to experience killing another being for the most part. Power is a high for any mammal. We can try our best to reduce and conceal what we are at the end of the day, but always will be a mammal until technology takes its rung and rises that Darwinian hierarchy to eclipse human beings.

    Politics is a sport. People could care less about each other. We are proof of this.

    Cheers

    March 21, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Silly Humans

      The solution is to kill all human life. Lets set off all the nukes. Make this a peaceful planet of microbes once again.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      Get out of your lab and breath some fresh air, Dr. Bacteria. I am a mammal and my idea of a high is to hug my daughter, kiss my sweet wife and a good ol' blues jam with some friends. Killing God's children is not in my planner. These humanoids in uniform lost their minds and their love grew cold a long time ago. Heaven help us all!

      March 21, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
  66. ken

    These two would be perfect for the Philadelphia Police Force.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  67. bob

    Every sane adult in the world should be taught how to handle a firearm. Then they should recieve second amendment rights and the opportunity to purchase one. Problem solved. That's liberty, if you like it or not.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      And what on God's green earth has that thing to do with these devilish human hunters?

      March 21, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
  68. ata

    Its war plain and simple. Soldiers kill. Its what they are trained and paid to do. Call me crazy but I don't see these men as animals or acting barbaric. Its not like they saw peoples heads of and make videos. Keep pc out of wars. People should fear war. Humans have turned war into something they think can have rules. It can't and never will.commit 100 percent to it or avoid it. War is death. Salute to these boys for doing the actions that politicians are to afraid to do. Yet will leave them out to dry so they look good. Our tru enemies are wearing suites.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kitty Kat

      Really, ata? So there's nothing wrong with 9/11 or Nazi tactics? After all, war is war and it's pointless to impose rules, right?

      March 21, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sweetwalter

      Yes, war is hell and our soldiers are trained to kill...I did my share as a contractor in 'Nam during '61 and '62 but under the rules of war. These men are charged with exceeding their authority and violating their oath. Yes, they are innocent until proved guilty but with the evidence I have seen, are properly charged. If found guilty in their court martials, they deserve life in prison. During WWII, they would have faced a firing squad.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fir_Na_Tine

      There is no honor in killing innocent unarmed civilians and then disrespecting and treating them like animals. No wonder lots of people hate us. Because we are hypocrites, preaching human rights and everything else while go ahead and do the same. True war is hell, but there is honor among soldiers and these men are not soldiers but criminals.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        So there is honor in killing innocent and unarmed civilians as long as their not disrespected and treated like animals? Plus, I'm sure you were already aware that humans are in fact a type of animal.

        The structure of your comments represent the greater picture that most people are plain stupid.

        March 21, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dogget

      Are you serious? Every soldier in war knows the line between killing and murder and what is appropriate and what isn't.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Dogget

    Animals. Two sick dudes. And then people think the whole military is like this because they where the uniform. The Taliban love this stuff. These dudes are great propaganda for them. Put these pigs in jail for life.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Hugh

    We are the modern day nazis. Invading countries for our own self interest and then brutalizing the residents.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sixoh

      We are not Nazis and I'm sick of hearing the word from both sides.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • bob

      Own self interest? Americans die and China gets mineral rights! It's time to find out who is a friend of America.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dogget

      You bet ya we invaded Afghanistan for our self interest. 9/11 ring a bell? Or did you like that fact that we lost thousands of lives that day? yeah, watching the Towers fall, the Pentagon burn, and a plane crash in PA man those were good times. Maybe we should've let bin Laden do it again since it was so much fun the first time.

      And I really see your point about America being modern day Nazis.

      We invaded 2 countries, one run by brutal terrorists and another run by a brutal dictator. And we brutally control both countries. Um, what else? Oh yeah we have systematically murdered Iraqis and Afghans. We send them to death camps or simply murder them. We purposely murder civilians on a regular basis. I think it might be genocide?

      I mean we haven't tried giving them free elections or build their country and infrastructure at all. Dang we really are Nazis aren't we? Oh, did I forget that we went to Iraq for oil? Yeah, we took all their oil, thats why our gas prices are so low these days.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve Duke

        Um, most of the 0/11 plotters were Saudis. They're our bestest friends.

        March 21, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
  71. VET 1 AMERICA

    You All , Have convicted these men without a FAIR TRIAL.........................

    March 21, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dogget

      thats how America works. Didn't you know? lol

      March 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Keksi

      You mean like those prisoners in Gitmo?

      March 21, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sixoh

        These are American citizens, unlike your friends, the poor, misunderstood victi-er uh terrorists who were willfully engaging our troops. So knock off the drama queen act.

        March 21, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
  72. Dan

    Those soldiers are human beings. And human beings are mammals, not super computing calculus machines. Mammals at the end of the day are malicious biological machines. We are blessed with a frontal cortex that gives us higher level thought, but we also have are mammalian instincts lurking not far behind. Soldiers go to war to experience killing another being for the most part. Power is a high for any mammal. We can try our best to reduce and conceal what we are at the end of the day, but always will be a mammal until technology takes its rung and rises that Darwinian hierarchy to eclipse human beings.

    Politics is a sport. People could care less about each other. We are proof of this.

    Cheers

    March 21, 2011 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmynog

      That's right, make excuses for them you sorry piece of garbage.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • sandman

      You sound as screwed up as these soldiers. Do yourself and us a favour and check yourself in somewhere before you go completely of the rails!

      March 21, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      Get out of your lab and breath some fresh air, Dr. Bacteria. I am a mammal and my idea of a high is to hug my daughter, kiss my sweet wife and a good ol' blues jam with some friends. Killing God's children is not in my planner. These humanoids in uniform lost their minds and their love grew cold a long time ago.

      March 21, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Report abuse |
  73. dvb

    I didn't realize the US was at war with the citizens of Afghanistan.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
  74. LouD

    According to General McChrystal when he was in Afghanistan, ALL of the people shot at checkpoints were no threat to our forces, and we'd shot and "amazing" number of people. And if the video "Collateral Murder" is in any way typical, most of the "enemy" we're killing are civilians. Those troops on that Baghdad helicopter were having a fine ole time, like shooting animals from the air.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:31 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Rick

    Everyone should watch Zeitgeist- it will maybe open some eyes and perhaps show people what is really going on in the big picture.......

    March 21, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Jimmeh Dean

    Yep, this article is sure to bring out the tin-foil hats.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Keksi

      I see you already got yours out.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
  77. minnbaby

    Personally, I don't think the US military is over there to "win hearts and minds". Really?! It's war, no matter who started it or why. We are fighting a religion and culture whose main tenet is "death to the infidel", who is US. Political correctness is the slow death of America. Sorry, no blame for our soldiers here. S*** happens – get over it. Worse has happened to our guys but the media doesn't jump all over that. Anything to make the U.S. look bad...but which country is the first county they all come running to when they need help? Never ceases to amaze and anger me.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Charlie Sheen

      Well put.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • vin

      you're sick.AND stupid.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • dvb

      So you hate them just as much as they hate you. Why not set a higher standard for yourself?

      March 21, 2011 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • amanda

      Sorry, but whatever Muslims have done to us is irrelevant when it comes to this story. If your justification for the killing of civilians is "well they did it, so we did too", then the war over there is pointless because we are just as bad as they are. This war is basically being fought to mold their county into the image of ours. So obviously, the US government thinks we are better than them. I don't see how that could be true, especially after reading this article.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kitty Kat

      minnbaby, perhaps you would cease to be amazed and angry if you attempted to actually learn something about Islam and Afghan culture instead of repeating mindless slurs. You are helping no one with your cluelessness, least of all your country.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • JEB

      stupid people making stupid comments about something they know nothing about. If you have never been in combat and experience the stresses and watch you budidies die, you have no right to talk.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • NucularInternets

      It's these crazy neoconservatives like you that because of your ignorance toward other religions you refuse to respect others. Is there a radical component of Islam? Yes, but the majority of Muslims are peaceful. You seem to think that all of Islam chants "Death to America" five times a day. Why don't you learn about a religion before you go around blasting it.

      Also, I said it before, and I'll say it again: These men do not represent the entire US military. People seem to get this idea because two nutjobs kill civilians that the entire military condones it.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • sandman

      "No Blame"?? Is that right. It's just plain 'ok' if a couple of soldiers have an 'off day', so they go kill, dis-member, and pose with completely innocent civilians" to feel better.In keeping with your logic then it would be ok if a couple of your local police officers had one of those days, and blew your sorry head off. "S*** happens"! I don't friggin' think so!!

      March 21, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tiger Blood

      Angry enough to start killing people for bein different?

      March 21, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
  78. thorrsman

    How do you tell the difference between a peaceful Afghan civilian and a Taliban "insurgent"?

    March 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kitty Kat

      I don't know, thorrsman, how do you tell the difference between a peaceful American civilian and an ignorant, war mongering Tea Bagger?

      March 21, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Canadian hobo

      The same way you can tell the difference between a REAL soldier and an American redneck murderer.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Jason

    I hope these soldiers rot in a prison cell for the rest of their lives.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Xugos

      They will, because unlike most other countries in the world, America stays true to its principles.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Charlie Sheen

      you're an idiot.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Nick Slachslaugh

    I don't see any problem with the photos. They smoked the enemy and kneeled in the pictures with the bodies. What makes that different from merely killing the enemy? This is war lest we forget.

    “Don't talk to me about atrocities in war; all war is an atrocity." -Field Marshal Horatio Herbert Kitchener

    March 21, 2011 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Keksi

      They smoked civilians?

      March 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • thorrsman

        How do you know they were civilians?

        March 21, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ronno

      The alleged actions of these two shame the great work and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform, while also bringing incalculable grief to their victims' families, and you flippantly think that's A-OK? You are a discredit to your country.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Keksi

      Thor,idiot,maybe you should bother to read article where it clearly states they were civilians and soldiers tried to make it look like they were being attacked by them.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • rsps

      Do you read?
      A Military Court Martial determined this was a civilian and there was pre-meditated intent to kill and deception, and then they took a photo because they are really and truly infantry idiots.
      They don't seem to breed them to smart up in Wassila AK.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
  81. HW

    Behavior unacceptable of a soldier, such as in this article, makes is even harder to "win the hearts and minds of the population that has been invaded" It only makes it a more determined enemy.

    March 21, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ronno

      Exactly. Thank you.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Upperhand

    War's a batch!!!

    March 21, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
  83. HW

    Regrettably collateral damage is something difficult to prevent during wars, even this iillegal one. However, killing civilians on purpose, or even killing an enemy trying to surrender is not accepted by any U.S. branch of the military. There is a CODE of conduct that soldiers must abide by. PERIOD! Those men are a blight on the military and should be encarcerated, or given the a death sentence.

    March 21, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
  84. j

    *Yawn* Just more of the same old blame America first crapola. To these idiots, who have never served in the military and have no idea what they're talking about, 9/11 was something we "deserved" or they've forgotten how 3000 of our people were slaughtered. That was an "atrocity" was it not? Every single time our boys squeeze off a round they have to wonder if they're going to be court-martialed by the bleeding heart MORONS on the Potomac and dragged into the kangaroo court of liberal public opinion.

    March 21, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brad

      And look at you, ;you call them animals for killing inocent American citizens, and I agree with that, we went to war over that. Now you are saying it is ok for our soldiers to act the same? You, idiot, are the animal. I just wish all the animals like you around the world would do us a favor and just die, just die, please.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Think about what you say

        All of your references to killing behavior being like 'Animals' and 'Beasts'...Have you ever known an animal to kill over ideology? Animals kill to eat. People kill in these cases because they have the will to. Let's not lower the bar and put animals at the same level that we are.

        March 21, 2011 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Yeah–the American soldiers are taught to act like animals and that's just what they do; no differentiation between civilian and the enemy. Kill them all, let god sort them out–that's the American Way. Apologists for military brutality are born from the same mold. Killing is just another video game to these beasts. They deserve harsh punishment for what they do. To hell with them and their ilk.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Brad

        While I think they should be executed for this crime, I do think you are an idiot for saying they are all this way. 99% of our military personal or profesionals, and act appropriatly. Course, I'm guessing you, Mark, believe in no war. Noble, but childish. There will always be a group that want to destroy others, Hitler, and that is why, war is sometimes neccessary. Course, you are to stupid to realize that, you think, if we just lay down, nothing will happen. Well, I'm glad you aren't in control, or we would all be speaking german or gassed right now.

        March 21, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • LouD

        Nothing has changed since Vietnam. The American solider is just a brutal as he's always been. As Tom Glen complained to the brass about indiscriminate murder and torture–a complaint brushed aside by Colin Powell–"It would indeed be terrible to find it necessary to believe that an American soldier that harbors such racial intolerance and disregard for justice and human feeling is a prototype of all American national character; yet the frequency of such soldiers lends credulity to such beliefs. ... What has been outlined here I have seen not only in my own unit, but also in others we have worked with, and I fear it is universal."

        March 21, 2011 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • c.i.a.

      bla bla bla. another soldier clone spreading is general propaganda, you dont have a clue my friend about 911 so stick to what your good at witch is to obey your master.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • justiceandreason

      I guess that makes everything okay. So killing innocent civilians is okay because war is tough and it's a rough environment out there and serving in the military is hard. Wow!! Message to all military members, don't let couple of bad eggs ruin you. These soldiers are not model soldiers nor are they model citizens. They are losers to begin with and somehow slipped through the military. I bet you if they are not in the military, they would probably commit other crimes.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • MacKinnon

      Saudis were responsible for 9/11 and they are our BFF.

      Murdering Afghani civilians is not collateral damage – it is murder. Their lives are worth as much as anyone elses...maybe more as there are no social services to pick up the pieces and to provide for their families.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Angelique

      One guess as to what mr j and his type would have said if the soldiers who did this were anything other than All American white boys.

      March 21, 2011 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Daniel

    All i see is dead Taliban, what makes you think these are civilians?

    Know what happens when an american kills a taliban? The talibans friends come, take his gun away, and he is now a dead civilian.

    March 21, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • bryan

      @daniel, have you seen this done, because if you say its true then rest of the world including many actual videos and photos and even UN, european media and Eye witnessess are all liers.

      American media dont have the balls especially FOX to publish anything negative its ok if american soldiers kill civillians, did you forgot Iraq what happened there

      March 21, 2011 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ralph

        Look...this is the way we are trained in boot camp. Everything is just KILL, KILL AND KILL...so if you dont have no idea of what we soldiers go thru..just dont say anything!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU

        March 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tiger Blood

        Right on Ralph. . .I don't undrstand why there ain't more dead civilians in pictures with our military brothers. Like they taught us in Boot Camp – the only good civilian is a dead civilian!

        March 21, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sean

        As a soldier who has been deployed, YES I HAVE in fact seen this done. Its not uncommon at all for weapons to be taken from dead taliban soldiers, so then when a photo crew comes in, it makes the victim look like a civilian.

        March 21, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
  86. c.i.a.

    america is a coorporation no democracie here wake up. find the truth about 911 and you gonna see that you been living lies and manipule for so many years that you don t know what is reality.

    March 21, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Denizen Kate

      Your poor spelling, grammar, and punctuation make your comment virtually incomprehensible. Try again.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • c.i.a.

        can you read this; vachier imbecile.

        March 21, 2011 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
  87. cashee

    This is the reason you never invade a country without a genuine purpose. If the governments defense budget was put more on "DEFENDING AMERICA(including security systems, surveillance etc)" rather than attacking and occupying other nations militarily, it would have reduced the governments expenditure and created a boost in the domestic market. With the enormous amount of money we pour into the pockets of these pathetic soldiers, they feel that they are the masters and they can treat others like anything. CUT military spending, get the soldiers to do more civilian works than military works and the problem is solved.

    March 21, 2011 at 6:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • todd

      I agree with ya.If our Goverment would just stay put on our own land and keep our borders etc.etc like you said.
      We wouldnt look so bad as being Americans.
      1 other thing i would like to point out to everyone,is that this news story is nothing new in WAR.Its been going on since time has started on our earth.Is it right?No i dont think so.But am i there being shot at,or being blown up every step i take,or Sniped out,I imagine its a very scary thing being in a WAR.Plus from what i understand is that the US Goverment will only allow US service men/women to hold 3 round burst clips in a WAR.Thats not very much Ammo when your trying to be taken out by the enemy.We need to get our women and men home on our own soil and let these other countries take care of there own problems.And take care of our own on our soil.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Brad

        The magazines hold many more rounds then that, the 3 round burst is for control and ammo conservation. As the gun fires, it kicks, after a few rounds, you cannot properly aim. This forces the soldier to re-aim after the 3 rounds.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Ibn al-Nafis

    And your actual message/meaning is? Read one time OK but to re read 3 or 4 times, to figure out sentence structure, no.

    March 21, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
  89. NucularInternets

    This comment section is full of utter idiocy. The entire United States military is not a bunch of gang-bangers who drive around doing drive-by's throughout Kandahar as some people are trying to put. The US military is not represented by these men. We don't kill civilians on purpose. Civilian deaths are unfortunate and terrible, but we can't eliminate civilian losses to zero because the enemy we fight now likes to burrow himself in with civilians like cowards.

    That being said, these men deserve to be thrown into prison.

    Also, no one's death (excluding a few select people; Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden) should be celebrated. If you celebrate the death of someone who murdered another person, you are only sinking down to their level. That's my opinion.

    March 21, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      Thank you. Excellent.

      March 21, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • NucularInternets

        Thank you very much. I'm just trying to bring some logic into this section of imbecility.

        March 21, 2011 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        I think it is a hopeless task to bring logic to the illogical, particularly to those who are utterly devoted to their rant and kant. I am pretty much done here, because of that. Best wishes to you.

        March 21, 2011 at 5:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • arni

      It's a WAR, People are killing each other, what do you expect! get over it.

      March 21, 2011 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • NucularInternets

        What? I just defended the US military. I know people die in war. It is inevitable. Did you even read my post?

        March 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • sam

        you define the war like this where are other people define the war on US soil different.... this is only hate-red nothing else....

        March 21, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • KC

        What those soldiers from 5-2 did in Afghanistan is not "war." That was cold blodded murder. They acted like those dead Afghan were trophies and took pictures like people do when they shoot a deer. It's sick and it's wrong. That's not the Army I'm a soldier in I'm sorry. I was trained better.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Nucular – Hitler, Stalin and Bin Laden are no different from the average american soldier. They all killed or kill innocent civilians. The americans are the worst as they are even liars because they claim to kill just by mistake.
      So I am glad that about 7000 american soldiers were taken out in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      March 21, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • NucularInternets

        How can you say that? Hitler persecuted people because they were different gentically from what he saw as the "master race". Stalin murdered millions of the people who went a millimeter out of step from his "general party line". Bin Laden planned the deaths of thousands of American civilians. The vast majority of civilians the US military kills are in accidents. You cannot compare genocide, purging and terrorism with accidents in intelligence. The public education you attended obviously failed you.

        You are a disgusting human being for your last sentence. Those soldiers died because they decided to serve their country. 4,000 of those soldiers died for no reason whatsoever. Good job comparing a US soldier to three mass murderers.

        March 21, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        Nuclearinternets – this is what I was referring to. There are a select few who have invaded the Afghan blog as if they own it and they continually post lies and miss-information in a constant anti American tirade. They do not listen to reason, they will not listen to logic, they apparently canont use logic and to argue with them simply feeds their troll like behavior.

        One of them has tried to incite treason, and the same one, I think, lives in America. It's mind-blowing to see how they (and I use the term loosely) "think."

        Be aware. They are not your friends and we know there is a large, hostile audience to everything written here. If it can be twisted to serve the cause of murdering Americans. it will be. Good luck, best wishes, and regards to you.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • KC

        You are digusting. The majority of us in uniform do not "kill civilians on purpose." In war, there are colltaeral effects or damage. Sometimes innocent civilians get caught in an explosion – that's every war. But what these guys did was just sick. But for you to say all those soldiers who died you're proud of – that's sick.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • NucularInternets

        Ibn-

        Thanks for the support and forewarning. I don't plan on posting here anymore because I feel like it is a waste of my time and gets me angry trying to deal with the people who refuse to be moved from their initial opinions.

        The complete lack of intelectual thought on this page comes from both sides; Those who call Islam a ruthless, violent religion that is bent on the destruction of American and is siding with the "liberals" to take control of the world and impose Sharia Law. Others say that America is an evil nation where the average soldier has been brainwashed into a killing machine and claiming that America wants to destroy Islam. They think that Bush's policies have stuck to this day.

        Best wishes as well.

        Also, to the rest of you: I hope I don't come off as a right-wing nut because I supported America's military. I am a social Democrat myself.

        Good Night!

        March 21, 2011 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kiki

        I guess you live on our soil. Our county that you hate so much let's you speak in this fashion. You are nauseating and in need of a psych. evaluation, and I mean soon ! I am sure we will be hearing about you shooting up a school or taking hostages somewhere. Our poor world is getting so sad.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Bin Laden killed 3000 americans because americans killed civilians bombing Iraq, Sudan and Afghanistan during Clinton administration. As you kill you will be killed.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:24 am | Report abuse |
    • davidson

      the 1000 plus drones that are killing people in pakistan are getting a 90% kill rate on civilians 10% on the targets killing brown people is fun for americans or they wouldnt do it

      March 21, 2011 at 6:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • NucularInternets

        Ok, lets see some sources before you start pulling a direct 90% statistic. If you give us some viable sources before throwing up random numbers than some of us (including myself) might change our opinion on the matter. Until then, I stand firm on my beliefs.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • KC

        Where are your sources? The Taliban? Oh yeah because they never exaggerate numbers in their favor. Actually most drone strikes did not kill that many civilians – the Taliban are doing that on their own.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Nucular – you must provide the source as you claim the killed are terrorists.The reality is that you are the terrorists and are a legitimate target.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Denizen Kate

      Well stated. Thank you.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
  90. sherri

    Totally disgusting. Let me guess, these were guys that were allowed in because we lowered our standards. The climate that allows this letting anybody with a pulse to serve. Not just everyone can do the job of a wel ltrained soldier as the military is designed to be. Not even five years ago they could not get in unless they had a high school diploma or equivalent. Lower the standards th lower the quality and thisa is the result.

    They make the majority that serve with honor look bad just like radical islam makes Islam look bad.

    March 21, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      A most excellent point.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      These things always happen in wars. It is not about lowering standards. Attacking a country is always wrong. What happens when you bomb a country ? civilians are killed, like the civilians killed by this "death team". Even in the actual operations in Libya civilians got killed by the strikes. Who are we to decide who must live and who must die in offshore countries we know very little about ?

      March 21, 2011 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • sam

        The response goes same civilians died in 9/11 victim of war!!.... in-fact victim of political agenda (Bush) .... we cannot say get over it... . come on guys... violence it violence... it's not war to use as an excuse.... this is simply ignorance...

        March 21, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
  91. salerno

    The soviet did similar things in Afghanistan in 1979-1989, and the British to in the 3 afghan wars in 1800 and early 1900.
    This is why war is always criminal and every single US soldier is a criminal. This is why I am glad when they die.

    March 21, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      Wrong.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Even if for you is wrong, I am glad when they die.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        Examine your soul. It is good for NO ONE to die nor to rejoice when anyone does.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        It is good, if the those who die are dangerous.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        Death is never good. And the point for here is that to rejoice an another's death makes the soul rotten. Strive to set the example, not to fall to the lowest one.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        I used the word "glad", not "rejoice". Rejoice is frivolous and superficial, while glad is deeper and rational. I am GLAD.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        I am sorry to hear. Glad and rejoice differing degrees, I understand. Nevertheless examine your soul and do good rather than evil.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Doing evil to the evil is good. To balance an injustice you have to make another injustice. Like the phisic law AS ABOVE SO BELOW.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        Tried to find cogent definition of 360 and this is what I found. A CLEAR definition would be most helpful.

        http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/16/afghan-blend-of-old-and-new-justice/

        March 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        Perfect balance on a scale creates a rectangle of 360 degrees, for power grab rectangle is divided in to two triangles of 180 degrees each.

        First: 360 degrees describes a circle. Bafflement. Please explain.

        March 21, 2011 at 5:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • DS Iceman

      Your comments show what a small minded person you are. Some may argue that the US sticks their nose into way too many other country's business and there are good arguments for that. However, what you fail to acknowledge is that when we pick our enemy, we try to kill them, not the civlilain population around them. Unfortunately innocent victims do also get killed.

      Those who carried out the 9-11 attacks ONLY targeted innocent civilians. Not soldiers, or other combatants. Those murderers targeted bankers, brokers, small business folks, indiscrimantly killed men, women and children. Now this coward enemy hides in with the civilians on purpose so that when we kill them we also kill the innocents. So who is evil here? Seems like all the evil and bad guys are coming from overseas, not US soldiers.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        Another excellent post. Thank you.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sean

      So youre glad when a soldier like me dies? You act like us soldiers are the ones that choose to go to war. We're just in afghanistan because we're told to be there. Not because of some sick sadistic reason that you have developed in your little head. You are seriously one of the most ignorant people i have ever seen.

      March 21, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
  92. ThrillatheKilla

    War is not pretty, its exactly what it is BARBARISM on all fronts. Germany is a country that knows too well the acts of BARBARISM during WWII and under Nazi occupation. This is what the problem is with this world, everybody talks about a clean WAR, WAR is not clean in any fashion. People die in horrible ways, what is the difference between being shot fatality or being run over by a M1A1 tank? Just the method of death as both rendered the same result. It absolutely cracks me up when people talk about the attrocities of WAR, there all attrocities people don't you understand that???? I believe the more surgical and humane you become in WAR the more tolerable it becomes. WAR is nasty and SHOULD show the horrible BARBARISM of WAR, that way we as the human race will not choose this path until the very end or last resort. The ugliness of WAR should be shown as an example of mankinds rude awakening and the way we love each other!!!! I believe any one who truly believes WAR can be fought clean is disillustioned.

    March 21, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      A most excellent point. The military is supposed to kill people and break things. It's what they do.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • ThrillatheKilla

        You got it.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        My sister agrees.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      You can explain this crap of argumentation to your sister.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • DS Iceman

        Sure, that's right. Don't like the argument so take your pail and shovel and go home. Be GLAD to go home, instead of tryng to fight for what you believe in on the battle field. You obviously don't want to face reality and accept facts. Spew your trash and when things get out of your realm of argument, walk away. You are a coward just like the enemy that hides in with the civilians on purpose knowing we hesitate to kick your ass. But keep looking over your shoulder. Americans don't give up and very rarely lose.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
  93. Ibn al-Nafis

    So in her neighborhood is there a McDonald's or Wal-Mart where she could get a better job to ensure her survival?

    March 21, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      So what can be done for this lady?

      March 21, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
  94. El Chingon

    Maybe it's time to call it like it really is. If you slam planes into our buildings, we will kill as many of you as we can, because we can, we will, and that's how we do it. We are Americans and we don't just get mad, we get ahead. If you mess with us, you will live to regret it!.....just keep that in mind the next time you come onto American soil and declare war on America.

    March 21, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Floriano

      Alright, nobody involved in the 911 incidents was from Afghanistan. Nobody. Do you think some poor farmer`s son from somewhere in Afghanistan declared war on America?!?!

      March 21, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Salerno If He Had A Brain

        Too much ignorance in this thread. The 9/11 attacks were planned by bin Laden when he was living in Afghanistan courtesy of Mullah Omar and the Taliban, after he had been booted out of multiple other countries for his activities (including Saudi Arabia). After 9/11 the Taliban refused to hand bin Laden over to the U.S., thus why the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. You people acting like Afghanis are totally innocent are severely deluded and extremely ignorant. Try doing some research every now and then.

        March 21, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        9/11 was planned i Germany, as a reaction to Clinton attack on Sudan and Afghanistan. So you fully deserved it.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:29 am | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      ElCingon – here is another idiot. You had 9/11 because of your stupid military operatiions. Taliban were not involved in 9/11.
      The attack was planned in Germany by Saudi citizens member of AlQaeda. AlQaeda planned the attck because Clinton bombed Sudan and Afghanistan trying to kill Bin Laden. So 9/11 was a reaction. You will have other reactions for what you are doing.

      March 21, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan from Chicago, IL

        America always is on the right side of a war, whereas these Islamic thugs such as the Taiban and Gadhafi only fight for power and control over the people and kill them with no care for the innocent life they kill! And tell me why Clinton bombed Afghanistan and Sudan? Don't make it sound like we just did it without any cause! And salerno if you think American policy is so wrong please get out!

        March 21, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Dan -. Take your medicine idiot.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stollie

      Wow, what an idiotic, bigoted, narrow-minded and bloodthirsty thing to say!

      March 21, 2011 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Yes, El Chingadera–you're so offbase you need a guide dog to find your way back. The 9-11 hijackers were from SAUDIA ARABIA–not Iraq, Afganistan, Uzbekistan or Iran. Get your facts straight before you start talking big talk you can't back up, slime worm. You are as intelligent as the stupid kid soldiers sent off to fight for nothing and come back in bodybags to a waiting public.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
  95. christopher rye

    everyone here is saying how horrible soldiers treat these taiban not afghans but taliban. They are a group of thugs whos one mission in life is to kill and humilliate the americans. How can these men and women be expected to condut themselves according to american standards of ethics when they see their friends and fellow soldiers killed and their bodies drug in the streets hung up in places and just plain mutilated. I would love to see all these people who make these posts about how these soldiers need to be stopped and how soldiers are getting away with this to go to afghanistan for six months and see the things these soldiers deal with then come back and write these demeaning posts, if they come back at all. Ignorance should be a worse crime than what these soldiers do.

    March 21, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      christopher – You stupid. Obviously they fight the intruders, what else they can do ?
      I have friends working in Afghanistan since before the war, so I don't need to go there to know the situation. It is normal that they kill you, but they did not kill those who went in their country peacefully, without weapons.

      March 21, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      Thank you for your realistic post. The conduct of these two is reprehensible but not all USA military is guilty of this. Thank you.

      March 21, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Floriano

      So seeing your comrades get killed allows you to behave like an animal?!?!? Come on, nobody is blaming the entire army, but killing innocent people for fun is just a disgrace for America... Just take a look at these photos...
      http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,752272,00.html

      March 21, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      Here we go again......mr code-mystery speak is at it again as if his (code) was somehow (improving) or elucidating the real issues at stake. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      March 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Yacobi – right, it is planned to scare people. This is a tactic broadly used by US since WWII, untill recently in Iraq, Serbia and Afghanistan.

      March 21, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • sherri

      Christopher-the more self disciplined a fighting force we have the more efective we will be.
      There is nothing fair in life period but we can not use that as a reason to exact our own justice. I do not own guns personally becaue I know there are absolutley people I do not think need to be sucking in oxygen. Do I have others I need to consider yes.
      DO we have plenty of occupations where lines are blurred-yes. Just ask Bernie Madoff. He claims our American govt is a pyramid scheme. Does that justify what he did to innocent people that trusted him? NO.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Madoff is the clear demonstration about how naives are the americans.

        March 21, 2011 at 5:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      American Christian hindu. What clarity.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • ch3car0

      Soo falling to their level makes it ok??? NO innocent person should die for the stupidities of naive kids who should not even be in a war in the first place!!!

      March 21, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
  96. Jeff

    I guarantee that if any one of you were to experience the gruesome realities of war, your reactions to this would be much different. What they did is not okay, but to criticize the entire United States because 12 soldiers couldn't hand the responsibilities required of them in a war zone is just ignorant. Countless muslims, who, in staying true to their religion, slaughter thousands of fellow muslims every year. Unfortunately we're so used to it that its no longer priority news.

    March 21, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Fights inside Islam is THEIR problem, not something you have to be concerned about.

      March 21, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tim B.

      What is not reported or under-reported is the tens of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by air strikes and ground assaults. These satanic influenced soldiers actually gave a face or image to be recognized so that everyone can see the true nature of their leaders who brought them to this. This is Army policy sorry to say and not just an isolated incident. Re-search and find it out for your self unless you have no interest in the truth and want to join in with the dark side. The U.S Army. slaughtered 200,00 filipinos from 1899-1902 in the name of pacification after purchasing the Philippines from Spain for 20 million dollars. This just follows a long history of murder and torture by the United States against anyone who stands up to the "Godfather" of the world. Ask a native american.

      March 21, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      So, wars and murder INSIDE the world of islam is OK? It is OK so long as one islamic person murders another islamic person? (Follow the logic....if you can....)

      March 21, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        War inside Islam is not ok, but it is not something US should be concerned about. So the way women are treated in muslim countries is not a problem for the Americans. They are even misinformed about it.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        This is, after all an American news blog, CNN no less. Tell the truth of this matter, then.

        You have a valuable forum for telling the truth to a very wide audience. How are women treated that is different than how it is perceived by those who do not live there?

        March 21, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Ask to the women. http://www.rawa.org anyway it is not something american men and women can undertstand, as they are too depraved by materialism, money and consumerism. I am forced to oppose a generalization to another generalization, but people are not the same in every time and in every place. What is bad for an american can be good for an Afghan and viceversa.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        "What is bad for an american can be good for an Afghan and viceversa."

        Precisely how? Please be so kind as to provide an example or two.

        March 21, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Do your homework. Try to imagine. Don't be lazy.

        March 21, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ibn al-Nafis

        No. If you make a statement be prepared to defend it or it will be ignored.

        March 21, 2011 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Ask to them, I have no time to explain everything an idiot could ask me.

        March 22, 2011 at 3:31 am | Report abuse |
  97. Sami

    US has no rights to talk about human rights after all the crimes it has commited against humanity in the near history and today.

    March 21, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  98. salerno

    All the US army is repugnant, as these are not isolated casesn and even the ROE are criminal. They have no respect for human life at all. The life of people has no value for them and when there is some casualties they call fo a mistake just to calm the public opinion, but it cannot be a mistake using so powerfull weapons.

    March 21, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      Would it stretch your intellectual capacities too much to invent another metaphor for criminal rather than hindu? You have used it too much. Get a new one. Refresh your writing habits.

      Please define with precision your term "truth of 360 degrees." If your reading audience must guess at your meaning you have lost your point.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Yacobi style is perfect. It is up to you put yourself at the same level, if you are unable it is your problem.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      No. the :\"style" is an obfuscating affectation. He looses validity by clinging to something that does not work.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      Apologies. Typographical error: "style"

      March 21, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      As I said, if it does not work for you, it does not means that it cannot work for others with better intellectual faculties.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      To appeal to a wide readership one should not use code regardless of private agenda.

      March 21, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ibn al-Nafis

      Use of the word hindu in such a pejorative way tells us all you are a hating bigot.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Dear Lame Ass: what war are you fighting? Hindus are in India (primarily) and we sure as hell aren't fighting the sikhs and hindus! Time to get back to elementary school for basic English grammar and geography classes. I suppose you vote too–and Sarah (the fruitcake) Palin is your savior. You deserve each other. Hotcha.

      March 21, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
  99. mehmoona

    these soldiers have sunk humanity to a new low..shame on them !!!!
    any war that reduces its soldiers to this depravity needs serious rethinking

    March 21, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  100. andrew lubin

    and after all thse months, nothing from Army senior leadership except 'they regret' causing distress. This wasn't one isolated incident – what kind of command climate enables this sort of thing to happen???

    March 21, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
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