Spc. Jeremy Morlock, left, and Pfc. Andrew Holmes are facing charges relating to the wrongful deaths of Afghan civilians.
The German news outlet Der Spiegel has published photographs of what appear to be two U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan posing over the bodies of dead Afghans - images which threaten to further complicate the American military effort there.
Two images show the soldiers kneeling by a bloody body sprawled over a patch of sand and grass. A third shows what appears to be two bodies propped up, back to back, against a post in front of a military vehicle.
Der Spiegel identifies the soldiers as Spc. Jeremy Morlock and Pfc. Andrew Holmes, who are both facing charges relating to the wrongful deaths of Afghan civilians. (More on the cases)
Specifically, Holmes is charged with the premeditated deaths of three civilians, possessing a dismembered human finger, wrongfully possessing photographs of human casualties, and smoking hashish.
He is also accused of conspiring with Morlock to shoot at a civilian and then toss a grenade so it would look like the soldiers were under attack.
Morlock is charged with three counts of murder. He is accused of killing one Afghan civilian in January 2010 with a grenade and rifle; killing another in May 2010 in a similar manner; and shooting a third to death in February 2010.
U.S. military rules also prohibit "taking or retaining individual souvenirs or trophies," which the photographs may be construed as.
The trial for the two soldiers is being conducted at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington. Morlock's court martial is slated to begin Wednesday, while the start date for Holmes' court martial has not been publicly announced.
The U.S. Army released a statement Monday calling the photographs "repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States Army."
"We apologize for the distress these photos cause," the statement said.
Army officials asserted in the statement that ongoing court-martial proceedings related to the alleged atrocities "speak for themselves. The photos appear in stark contrast to the discipline, professionalism and respect that have characterized our soldiers' performance during nearly 10 years of sustained operations."
They also stressed that the "United States Army is committed to adherence to the Law of War and the humane and respectful treatment of combatants, noncombatants, and the dead. ... Soldiers who commit offenses will be held accountable as appropriate."
In all, officials have charged 12 U.S. soldiers in what they called a conspiracy to murder Afghan civilians and cover it up, along with charges they mutilated corpses and kept grisly souvenirs. Five of the soldiers face murder charges, while seven others are charged with participating in a coverup.
All of the accused men were members of a 2nd Infantry Division brigade operating near Kandahar in southern Afghanistan in 2009 and 2010.
CNN's Alan Silverleib and Scott Zamost contributed to this report
Because CNN feels the need to censor.. I WILL GO LOOK THE UNCENSORED PICS UP ON ANOTHER SITE.
Wait a min. all of you.
That loser george bush put these men and women in this positon, so what do you expect?
You people expect our troops to act professional?
Someone I mean ANYONE on this post explain WHY our troops are in these hell holes.
Let me start off by saying that my comments are assuming that the people are guilty of the crimes they are accused of, but everyone is innocent until proven guilty! Now, that being said... Bush has nothing to do with these idiots and their unforgivable actions! If we go by your logic then it is also Obama's fault that these morons killed innocent people because he didn't pull all of the troops out of the "hell holes". It is the fault of these troops, and these troops alone, that have got them in trouble. These criminals dressed in military uniforms, I won't call them soldiers because a real soldier would never commit these crimes, have killed innocent human beings and have endangered the lives of other soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines that are over there trying to help these people and make the world a safer place! Regardless of who sent them over, or didn't bring them home, these criminals should be punished to the fullest extent of the law!
They are following orders – that's what you sign up for – none of which include killing innocent civilians – don't sign up if you cant follow orders – simple as that
Furthermore just because you don't understand why we are there doesn't mean that our leaders don't – that's why they are our leaders.
What a damn disgrace to the uniform and everything that we are protecting.. just a shame
You take a kid outa high school and teach him how to kill on command without distraction or remorse.
You DON'T teach him how to deal with being around civilians who at the drop of a hat could kill you, or
at the very least want you dead.
THEN...you get SURPRISED when some of these kids go nuts and don't handle a brutal messy war like a Brittish tea party????
Man...you ask a lot of human nature...Welcome to war 101...not everyone treats it like a game.
Who taught him to tattoo himself with the number of kills??
He's a disgrace to the uniform – don't try to defend him because you dishonor those that have fought and killed and didnt target un-armed civilians
I agree – and coming from non-military life – I take great pride in knowing that our American Men and Women pay the price defending this country and I am forever in their debt – I know this isn't what our military is and although I am ashamed – I stand behind all those good men and women who live up to honor of wearing that uniform – because they are better than me.
Correction – Talk about showing no shame on film – they show no shame in the state of play ... But I am sure they're only pawns in the game of chess being played out!
Talk about showing no shame on film – they show no shame in the state of play ... But I am sure their only pawns in the game of chess being played out!
these people (THE US ) are so blood thirsty that they have become the POLICE VAMPIRES--longing always to spill innocent blood ....just look at what they have done in Libya.In disguise that they are protecting the civilians,they slaughter the same civilians with tomahawks and the like...IN REALITY THEY ARE DESTROYING CHINA'S INTERESTS IN AFRICA AND THEIR OVERALL GOAL IS TO STEAL LIBYAN OIL AS THEY DID IN IRAQ......SOMEONE NEEDS TO STOP THEM URGENTLY!!!!!
You are the bigget IDIOT I have heard heard speak!!!!!! Not ONE American troop was sent to Libya you a retard!!!! Get glue and stop blaming everyone else for YOUR major malfunctions!!!!!! Freakin jackazzzes in this world just...I am at a loss for words you are just too stupid to comment any further!!!!!
salerno has confessed that he is a DESERTER, therefore not worth listening to.
I did not confess to be a deserter, I CLAIMED to be a deserter and I am proud to keep my desertion alive.
I prefer to be alive and spare my life for something more important and more interesting.
our village idiot/DESERTER wants to split hairs......... claim or confess....whatever. Desertion is still desertion.
Synonyms for claim: affirm, allege, assert, aver, avouch, avow, contend, declare, insist, maintain, profess, protest, purport, warrant, put forth
Synonyms for confess: accede, accept, acquiesce, allow, avow, come clean, come out of closet, concede, cop a plea, crack*, declare, fess up, get off chest, grant, let on, open up, own, profess, recognize, yield
Watching – Idiot . Confession is admitting a guilt, generally after interrogation, while a claim is related to something positive and it is spontaneous.
I blame the US military and those supporting them, but I am a defender of the american original spirit as stated by Thomas Jefferson. This is something ignorant new immigrants like Dindy cannot understand.
I am not surprised like Riza that many US soldiers do not care Afghan civilians. Why do you think they would fight for you ?
This is an illusion, and if you study history you will find that it was never true. Invaders always come to change a power with another power.
RIZA ....I understand your pain. have seen many deaths in my own country and how people have suffered when they loose their loved ones. some comments are really annoying I agree. There are personal reasons too for some people the way they talk about army.
of cause ..as I have mentioned in several places dying of children and innocents are unbearable . yet I wont aeccept the fact that whole military is uneducated and killers of innocent like salerno says. In my point of view he is an anti American though he lives there. This war should end sooner. It is time for Afghan Government forces to take over. Both countries loose precious lives and less Taliban die. I my self cant sleep when hear all these things because I care. Although some say we are HIndu slaves. They know we are salves because they them were slaves too.So they know the nature. Thanks for the beautiful Video.
WELL......BAD HAPPENED. BEFORE MORE THINGS HAPPEN JUST LEAVE AFGHANISTAN. BRING ALL THE REMAINING GOOD MEN AND WOMEN HOME. WAR IS NOT GOOD IN ANY COUNTRY. HERE AFTER NO ANY COUNTRY SHOULD HIDE OR KEEP SOMEONE LIKE BIN OR ANY DONKEY BELONG TO BIN . SO SORRY FOR ALL THE INNOCENTS DIED IN MY COUNTRY AND IN AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE OF MISFIRE OR PURPOSELY BY FEW IN THE MILITARY BUT SALUTE TO ALL THE GOOD MEN AND WOMEN WHO DID A GOOD FIGHT FALLEN OR ALIVE.
someone once said: WAR IS ALL HELL!!! THAT IS JUST WHAT THIS STORY SOUNDS LIKE!!!!!! war is controlled chaos. we will always have isolated problems, why should any modern war be any different. i survived a tour there so i do have some knowledge of the situation. it is hard to believe that judging these men by a higher standard will make it any easier to win. or win the hearts and minds of ordinary Afghans. it is still better than the taliban we are fighting.
I don't think this is an isolated problems, there's tons of videos out there showing cruelty being done by US soldiers, and in each videos they're not made by the same soldiers. So the heck with the idea of this being an isolated case. you can hear they're voice in every videos, They're having a good time killing innocent people. I don't call that a modern war. When you can't make a difference between who's a threat and who's not and just shoot anyone you suspect then that means it is time to revise your tactics or get the hell out of there.
If you think you are better than the Taliban, you are arrogant. Even Taliban can think they are better than you.
TRAP Your views, in other words American view of Afghanistan and actions of these soldiers have no difference but your above apology by your big one shows your double standard. This is not something strange either you always feel proud in attacking and killing weaker nations. You being a dianasaur feel pride in fighting with a mosquito. What a shame for this so called the super power for this cowardice that they cannot dare to face the equal or at least face Taliban in street fight. These photographs will make every Afghan to see their future at the hands of Americans. Presently hardly 10% Afghans are fighting against occupation or are in alliance with USA in Afghanistan while 90% Afghans are silent spectators and are neutral however this US behavior may make them change and join resistance to avenge for such inhuman and barbaric actions. TRAP for you it is just one incident but for Afghans it may prove an awakening alarm for their national pride which may bury this last Empire of Western imprialism.
you mean you are the same class with Taliban then don't put you in higher position (such as world police, human right fighter...) , you, US armies are murderer.
Dindy is a liar. He knows very well that this is not an isolated case of few soldiers. This is routine. US soldiers are cowards killing civilians from helicopters. They do not care to look if they are children, Taliban, or if they have any weapons.
Salerno, I dont think you deserve the liberty of being an American. US Soldiers are Heroes. soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen alike. They all sacrifice every day to defend the right you practiced even now on this page along with countless others. The fact that there are folks out there who will do things like this does not mean the military or Army alone is bad or corrupt. I do not support what these soldiers did, but i will never turn my back on my country or my military. MY Army is my Family.
08kawiZX – I think you does not deserbe the liberty to be an american as you thinkl like a Nazi. As we fought against the Nazi, now the true americans should fight against people like you. American freedom is threatened from internal forces.
SALERNO.......I LEARNED TO LIE FROM YOU............
You lied to your sons first.
Mr Obama should bring all the troops home and let Muslims solve their own problems and protect the borders of USA. Stop all the aids and every thing. Let them solve their own problems and stop giving all the unwanted people entry visa to USA. protect the land in every way.
This is what happen every where. All the good done is forgotten when one bad incident appears.
What good has the U.S done Middle East beside only they U.S has done is take live for oil and power!!!
US or a small country like us even will never tolerate suicide attacks. US did not go to kuwait without a reason. US did not go to Afghan or Korea without reason. In Korea they did not get oil. In Afghan they did not get Oil. In Sri lanka when they help for Tsunami they did not get anything in return. If you have nothing good to say about the great men and women who laid down their precious lives so you and me can type comments here just shut up.
Dindy what goods are you talking about?....When you leave behind desolated areas and dead bodies of children and women, what good is there that was left behind. Give me one single goods you brought apart from desolation and death. You remind me of the so called Nasa and they're genius scientist telling people that we're the only intelligent species in the whole universe, well if this is so then i don't want to see the nut case species out there if we're the only so called intelligent ones.
Justice......your comment is a shame to your name. It is not only US Army has killed innocents .All over the world innocents also died when wars were going on. After all not that all the US army was killing innocents . Taliban has killed more than army did . Also what about all the innocent young soldiers in the Army who went to war because of the Barbarian attack on 9/11 now in Taliban prisons and already dead. Most of them did not kill innocents but went to kill Taliban.
In our country also terrorists killed many innocent children ,Monks, and pregnant women too. Most part of the Urope was quiet. when Government army attacked insurgents and misfired civilian it was a big story.
we cant understand the mentality of a soldier unless we our selves also go to war. Let the courts solve the problem and give justice rather than you come with your opinion against whole US Army. They are men who took the front lines while you and me are seated here and bluffing.
Dindy on which planet are you on?....Give me one country you went at war against that was not left desolated, if you would have one grain on common sense you would know darn well that making a war is not an excuse to fix things up, there's too many chances taken and too many good people die. War is only a way out to justify the lack of intelligence that our leaders have to fix things another way than having to fight. When you can't find a better solution other than killing it simply means you're not too bright. I'm sorry for what happened on 911, but again if you have a little common sense you would know why it happened. If you go down the street in your area and destroy someone home and burn his car what do you think it's gonna happen?....That person ain't going to sit on his behind and say thanks to you. Wake up and smell the coffee. Whoever proclaiming we won by making wars is a nothing else than a weak mind and below normal intelligence.
War is for Barbarians!!
I can't agree more.
THANKS AND SALUTE FOR OUR BRAVE FORCES IN WHOLE WORLD FOR FIGHTING AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBERS!!! WE LIVE IN OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE OF MANY WHO SACRIFICED THEIR YOUNG LIVES. SALUTE FOR THEIR PARENTS TOO.
Keep thinking like that and the day you will have to run where are you going to run to?...Mexico? i don't think so...Canada i don't think so either, you'll be stuck between your walls. The reason i'm saying this is simply because i know my math, have you ever heard about the Table of Probabilities? If not then you should start considering learning about it.
war is started by barbarians, the talibahn in this case, trying to impose theocracy on afghanistan and sponsering 911. Once it starts you can either fight or lay down and die, letting all those you care about die too. Lucky for freeloaders such as yourself others are willibg to go in your place.
I think personally they should post pictures everyday of every insurgent killed by American troops , maybe pass out awards like grammy's to the most kills daily , weekly and monthly , hold special parties for soilders with multiple kills , and maybe hand out beads like at marti gras , you people do realize we are at war right ? Liberals , i swear
fred – you are retard, they were not insurgent as reported by one soldiers who confessed.
@sshole – m0therf00ker, they were normal citizens like you.
what if a german comes to your house and kill every single of your family ?
now you feeling good ? huh ?
Riza..this is only two soldiers what about the rest of the troops who did help to kill real Taiban?
It is fine to see Riza (an anti-taliban) changing his mind about the americans. This is not the problem of just 4 soldiers, but just an example of a regular behaviour. Killing innocent people, including children is a normal US tactic to terrorize the people in order to get support, it worked fine in some countries like Italy or Serbia, less in Germany, but not in Afghanistan.
I hope finally peace can be found in Afghanistan. The British, the Soviet, the US all claimed to help Afghanistan in the past, but what have they really done ? They all bombed Kabul and killed people without any care for the non combatants.
Dindy, I really do respect what US/NATO military did for Afghans but did you read "Fred's" comment ?
that's complete nonsense. Yesterday i was little bit stressed also, i should've controlled myself.
any way, I hope our own Afghan National Army grow up faster and take over control of whole regions.
It's a pain when US citizens are leaving bullsh!t comments about another country.
we better ask them to leave the country than listening to their nonsense.
my main point is, no matter from where you are, just remember, human is human, no matter is from Pakistan/India/Afghanistan/USA/Europe or whateva. Human is Human. we all should respect each other.
The children which died few days ago is son/daughter of a family. just think what if that child was yours ? you will like reading a harsh comment from a foreigner ??? Of course NO!
Respect others, you will earn respect.
Rule over hearts!!! don't force! it won't get you anywhere. specially in a country like Afghanistan, 98% of them are honest and always trust. if you break that trust once, you won't get it back at any cost.
P.S: sorry if i've been little bit harsh yesterday :D
Great pics; War is Hell; no quarter asked; and none given............7th US Cavalry.....deal with it...
Perhaps the facts are slanted?
Islam ..peace.....Hindu gentile...... your words always show hate....more destruction ..anger.....shame on you for insulting most of the good respectable troops in the forces because of two bad soldiers .Ungrateful people !!!! and nations . Anyway it is better to bring our most great men and women who served to bring justice and May God bless them and punish if any one did kill innocent civilians purposely.
We really must provide support for our troops.
NO SUPPORT- SHAME !
shame on you salerno for cursing good men and women in the forces because of what two young men did.
I don't care about this kill team composed by at least 4-5 members with the coverture of other 12.
I consider ALL US soldiers as criminal because the war itself is criminal and the ROE are criminal too.
how can we learn or respect 360 degrees when someone not fighting face to face or on the ground but flying in stolen jets and crash on to one"s face. My god never taught that to me.
Dindy – there is no difference betwen flying stolen jets into buildings and fire missiles to buildings.
Look I'm not In favor of this bullshyt WAR but how in the world can you train somebody to kill on one hand but you punish them for doing what they are trained and pay for but I guess that's ("The American way") huh?
Train to kill for self-defence, not invading other countries.
Considering both my fiance and myself are in the army, we know there is a difference between doing what we're trained to do and what these soldiers did. It's disgusting, appalling, and completely out of hand. Some people just don't have what it takes to be given a weapon and to continue to respect human life at the same time. The army isn't meant to murder. It's meant to protect our country and make the world a safer place.
Hum, protect our country in Afghanistan ? I think you are trying to make these cases be isolated, while they are very common.
All the ROE are used in a criminal way even in normal operations. For the people killed it is not important if the killer is obeying to orders or not.
Michelle i hear you...but in order to be able to protect your own country then that means stay home and stay safe. And if you have to shoot someone then it will be called self-defense and not murder. There's no better way other than this if you want to protect yourself and your country.
1 if all the posts had to stay on topic, how many would be deleted?
2 if those posts obviously meant to incite problems by using religion to constantly berate, insult, critisize, and etc., were to be deleted?
3 if any one person cant see that every place in the world has its gangs that are at war using women and children, choosing who lives and dies at the roll of an eye....
4 if the anger in the posts here is any indication of how "words" can and do incite/promote hate, and stir some really outrageous behavior....
then how can we condemn those fighting in a war being as they really want to come home, not having nightmares that drive them insane...
yes i suppose its just rambling on an on...
what would u do if some stranger came up and drafted u (here:USA) into a stint of fighting where ever they need u, against the gangs, drugs, violence, with minimal training, counting on strangers in ur "group" to cover ur back.... knowing ur family at home might be in the middle of the conflict.... making u afraid of anyone approaching u as they may be there just to hurt u or lure u to ur death... or seeing the guy next to u beheaded or ? what would u do or think or pray for? it would help to clean up our or country yes, is it feasible, i dont know, or just a dream that all this anger could be used to make somewhere in the world a nicer place to live? but how would we know who was the enemy.... dont all americans look alike? sigh, its confusing at best.
from the comment I found that those US people didn't feel shame when they comment. what is the US army has do to the world? nothing. but they tell the world that they can kill any people in the world under the name of human right. shame..............
Please keep in mind people that this is the action of 2 individual soldiers. There are thousands of of good Marines and soldies in Afghanistan that abide by the laws of war and are disgusted by this sort of thing.
The laws of war are routinely violated by US soldiers. They are baby killers and ROE are criminal.
It's not just a couple of soldiers, my nephew is in the army and is on his 4th time over there, he's seen too many of US soldiers making free kills just for the fun of it. There's no such just 2 individual soldiers doing this. It's happening more often than you might think. That's the reality and it's not funny anymore.
If anyone on earth is killing a innocent civilian it is a serious issue. I am really shocked to see this. Investigations are going on. Hope this is not a camera trick of pasting pictures together and has taken and printed for paid money to bring shame to all the sacrificed did in Afghanistan by American troops. yet if it has really happened , the solders who did that must be punished.
There is no camera trick in this, don't try to make me believe this. I'm tired of those stupid excuses done all the time, cops are doing this kind of things everyday just to try to justify their stupid act. Shooting a black man on a street corner holding a chocolate bar and then you have the happy trigger cop saying he thought it was a gun. What do you expect from an IQ lower than 100.
Is this a man or a women? No wonder the Afghanis are killing each other. IF our women looked like that we would be killing each other too.
Trust me you have plenty of couch potatoes over there.
that is one nasty hoe
I think this story needed to be reported.
This is the type of image a large part of the world has of America and our troops. All the good we do in the world is forgotten. I think we do a poor job in getting credit for our charity.
What I don't get is how Obama is coming away clean when Bush was made a villan for the actions of soldiers in the Iraqi prison. Should he be responsible under his watch?
WWII dividend for America is OVER. We don't do any charity, we paid the foreign military to kill the people in Pakistan and Yemen.
actually we do more charity than everyone else. it's just that we do not get any credit for it. the image of us helping others has been lost while the ammount of money and effort has grown
NO- the money does not arrive to the people. The money goes to the military.
Of course those 5 soldiers were wrong...which is why they're charged with crimes. Hmmm, I wonder who charges the violent, extreme actions by the citizens of Iraq/Afghanistan? Stand up and support the 1000's of soldier's that keep us safe–if you want to live in the U.S. that should be a non-negotiable.
Katy – I disagree, we are endangered by US military operations, this is why 9/11 hit US and not Switzerland or Italy.
Iraq and Afghan people have all the right to fight in Their countries against the intruders and even each other. It is not our problem.
I find it most interesting that "Go Army", aka the US Army, is the advertiser sponsoring the video in this story.
It is possible CNN hand picked the spot for the add not the other way around. Sponcers just buy time spot at what ever times. Why would CNN do this? Its getting talked about even more. I bet US Army doesnt know its there. But then again who knows. Not us.
I'm disturbed that CNN has allowed the US Army commercial to play as the advertisement before the video! I'm going to keep my comments regarding the issue to myself, but to play a recruiting commercial before a video showing alleged "atrocities" is certainly not journalistic neutrality.
In CNN also some anti US work
When it comes down to it none of these issues are political, religious, or much of anything else. Its a human thing. Theres really good and bad in all of us no matter what age or origan or country. When I was a soldier I would could and did sympathise with that other soldier just like me on the other side. Does this mean I wont fight or die. No I will and many like me on all sides. Shame on all of you arguing here no matter which maker or fate you believe or dont each of us get gets to die some day and see what really happens. Great prophets are not about these ugly things we as humans do to each other. It doesnt represent peace or humbleness. The key for all of us and any one who is serious in almost any faith in this world cant disagree. The key is forgiveness. With out it no love, no piece, just more war and crap like this from all sides. I wish the world would just grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child.
Right wing CNN has to describe in this story "the soldiers were smoking hash,." People smoke hash all their lives and never murder!. This is the way CNN and other stations insidiously add to a story.
The fact that they were smoking hash is part of the military's charges against them. Learn to read.
Not true, John. They weren't even providing opinion on hash. They simply reported factually that this person had been charged with the illegal act of smoking it. I'm all about freedom, but I don't think crimes against humanity that are reported on here should be overshadowed by hash smoking freedom, right or wrong.
Yeah, it's ok to kill them, just don't disrespect them.
This is just one that exposed. there are thousands that hiding by US military. what the shame US tell the world they fight for human right to all nation but in actual they kill the other nation in the name of human right.
I guess the army has not learned anything from the last scandal posing those Muslims naked grouped together.
What will it take? It's bad enough they hate the soldiers being there and if they get captured, kiss your life good bye because they are going to look at this and have no remorse to cutting a soldiers head off.
Will 18E, you need to go back to school.
A German news outlet published this story? Them Germans gassed a bunch of people in WWII, like they have room to talk. These soldiers should be promoted.
Hey, you win a bake sale, you get a trophy, win a track meet, you get a trophy, spread Democracy and promoting Freedom, let them soldiers have a trophy, I mean, it is only a photo.
this might be the stupidest comment i've read.
Agreed. Stereotyping Germans as all being the same and downplaying the seriousness of this issue.
These men went looking for Afgans to kill, posed their bodies afterwards in order to take pictures and one even kept a finger as a souvenir.
Usually helps to read the entire article or do some background research. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
OUTSTANDING Army recruting commercial prior to the video. I love the irony.
Yea i had an army commercial on my browser too. Purposeful?
It is fine to prosecute them and congratulation to the soldier who confessed and to his father, but we have still to fight against the attempt to show the problem is just few bad apples. NO THE PROBLEM IS THE WAR AND ALL THE US MILITARY.
The killing of civilians is intentional and criminal. Senator Ron Paul pinted out that even Libyan war has nothing to do with US security just like Iraq and Afghanistan.
they Kill 46 civilian in first day bombing and 2nd/3rd the bend the news of civilian died figure. this is what you call the help for freedom? who freedom? USA freedom for oil or Libya freedom ?
People like this should be prosecuted to the fullest. This should be treated as any other murder case. They are also treacherous. Acts like this endanger our men and women abroad.
and the Germans did better in WWII? That's just grand...
You do realize that a group of people don't define an entire country, right?
By your logic, all Americans are the same as these soldier. We would all kill others then try to cover it up.
Makes sense to you maybe...
It's funny how the American people are blinded by power. Don't you know that history showed us many times over and over that no empires reign forever?....Even Bonaparte and the Nazi didn't lasted forever. Your turn will come too someday, your empire will fall sooner or later. Have you ever thought about what's going to happen to you when it comes?...Have you ever thought how people will treat you after all those atrocities you've committed in your wars.?...You will be treated even worst, not because i want that to happen but simply because i know darn well that who lives by the sword will die y the sword. Don't you know that people will hold it against you and someday they will suffer by that same desire to torture and cold blood killing. Think about that for second and if you have a little amount of brain cells you would know that i'm telling you the truth. Stop those atrocities before their last memories of you will be nothing else but anger toward you.
This doesn't bother me. Dead "civilians"? I am not there, and I don't know who these dead people are. Maybe the soldiers went over to a legitimate kill to inspect the enemy for intelligence or something. I don't know and neither does anyone else. This is being hyped on a massive scale by a European tabloid to make Americans look bad. The alleged content of the photos is debatable. Standing next to a dead body in that part of the world is routine isn't it?
Rational – you are misinformed. A soldiers confessed the people killed were innocent civilians.
no one is innocent in war. that is why it is war.
Actually, this is old news. There's no doubt that this happened and is real. Yes, it's war and it's ugly. Unfortunately, it is the visual images being made available that has made the events resurface in the news. Gory stuff sells magazines. As far as treating these guys like any other killers, I can't agree. It's a war zone. People are trained to kill and people are trying to kill them. That has an effect on people. We have good rules and they broke them. Yes, they should be punished and court martialed but it's not the same as cold blooded murder in a civilized setting. They will answer to their maker.
So Ramrod, most of those in Guantanamo should be released or kept as POW's? Personally I do believe that but until our government and military starts to believe that we all must assume that the intentional killing of civilians is murder, war zone or not. After all if the intentional killing or firing up American soldiers is murder or attempted murder then the reverse must be true as well.
that why USA is the enemy of the world. time would come. i hope it would come very soon.
Let me begin by saying that as an active duty service meber currently deployed to Afghanistan, the actions taken by these men are nowhere in line with acceptable practices in any way, shape, or form. While responsibility for these actions does fall on the shoulders of the men in the pictures, a good deal of responsibility also must rest on the shoulders of their leaders. I am speaking of their immediate supervisors all the way up to their Company Commander. The responsibility that leader's carry for the actions of their men does not stop once they deploy. If anything, it increases on a deployment. Educaton and oversight are responsibilities that military leaders at all levels must take upon themselves to ensure that the men in their charge are abiding by the Laws of Land Warfare and American Cultural norms. The actions taken by these men are a direct result of a breakdown of control and leadership by their Platoon Leader and Platoon Sergeant.
Thank you. Stay safe over there.
Johnny this is not about the "military" or being perfect. Posing with the dead as this leg did, is a violation of the UCMJ; To include the tard who took the picture.
What Anwar is suggesting is that, these individuals, and not the military do what they want because the are armed with deadly forces. That they freely choose to do, at times, what they want to do, and not what the military wants.
More disturbing is not only the lack of respect for a fallen enemy solider, or civilian, but the lack of self respect for posing with the dead corpses, while holding his head up like a big game trophy.
Had the two, not been involved with the picture, they would have never been charged. Idiots.
Well said, Will18E.
In all honesty who cares. Im sure CNN will block this but a few afgans died. Theirs no confirmation that those killed weren't terrorist. You stupid liberals love the innocent dead so you can hide behind your own cowardess and blame a country that's given you everything. The cost of war is high always, but liberty costs. Seriously imagine where you'd be today if the us wouldn't have fought for freedom in the 18th century. If you liberals were in charge of the army we'd all be speaking german right now (in reference to W.W. II. Just shut up and let conservatives protect the world
bill – you stupid. A soldier confessed the victims were not terrorists. He was threatened by other soldiers. His father tried to speak with the military, but he was not listened initially. Those soldiers are dogs.
This has absolutely nothing to do with liberals. Anytime someone is killed or someone is tried for wrongful doing, I see nothing but remarks at the Liberals. In this case, it makes no sense to complain about the libs because it's not the liberals taking any kind of action against these men. It's the military doing the investigations, trials, and punishments.
If it turns out that the dead are muslims, Obama's gonna have these soldiers's Azzes!
Going back to school would be a good move. Pay attention next time, so that you can come back in a few years and actually post an intelligent thought.
what else do you expect from rabid dogs
you are all lucky you are not in a muslam country you don't know what you are up agaist
Let me first say sorry to those effected, sorry! Please note: That these actions do not express all the American people's opinions, just the men themselves. I am an American & I do not agree. I am proud of my country. Though I hate many things that Americans do, I much more love our freedoms. One day I hope my own people will understand that freedom doesn't mean we can do anything we want. You would think that a free people would understand the heart of freedom, that without choice there is no freedom, even if it was only in our mind. But these actions come with freedom though, we deal with them daily. The mind misunderstanding freedom, instead of gaining respect for it, they take advantage of it. But clearly not all, for where would I have found these words lest I have respected it? Therefore I prove my point, not to let these actions speak for the American people, but only for them who did these things. Moreover, we do not take away freedom because of them that do not respect it, but we embrace it knowing that they who do respect it, are worthy of it. Or we by taking it away strip the worthy of it & that is not fair to them. Last, how can in bondage one ever expect to respect freedom not knowing it?
i'm not proud of our country. Our government does nothing but bicker, fight, and complain with, and about each other. They spend too much time in the news taking verbal shots at each other and our president. They make promises to us, then fight each other about nothing and refuse to vote on things that need voted on. They point fingers and throw blame at everyone but don't stop to think what they're doing to our country. They constantly make remarks that can, and often times do, seem racist. I'm not taking either side in this, I blame all of the big shots in our country for what's going on. Or rather, the lack of progress.
It is long, LONG past time we should have gotten out of Afghanistan.
Cynos....it is wise said. Actually afghan is not a place to send ground forces even because all the Taliban know the mountains and where to hide and attack. US drones at the end did good job. Unfortunately again few of them have done battles on the ground and has caught innocents too
Taking Index Fingers for DNA and Fingerprinting is the new protocol. This is a war that Afghanis allowed to happen after the Americans saved them from the Russian Invasion. Until this war is over there will always be atrocities inflamed by the press, which are then covered up by the Army...Until this government re-implements the Draft to give our Troops some relief, they will be pushed beyond any reasonable limit and continue to commit suicide and murder...
This doesn't bother me. I'm sorry but it just doesn't for some reason. Once a person is dead their existence is gone forever (no afterlife for anyone, sorry everyone) so who cares if someone takes a picture of a dead body in a war zone. This is these men's way of dealing with the environment they are in. Killing can be a high just like anything else. We have no idea what it is like over there. I'm sure the taliban and al-Queda do much worse... of course they dont have a camera cause they think most modern technology is evil
Respect for the dead, funeral services etc. is for the benefit of the living and not the dead.
Not that they had respect for these ppl they've killed,.. but wouldn't you agree that it is highly disrespectful to take a picture with a corpse as if it were some type of honor? Idk,.. Most people will be upset by this because it shows such a lack of character. These men are supposed to be American heroes.
agree!!! its amazing how some people condone such barbaric actions
Taliban are defending themselves and it is normal they kill the intruders. All the US sodliers are responsible as they act collectively as criminals.
If you believe killing can be a high, then you certainly need professional help. It is probably really tough over there. Self-control is what separates us from the terrorists, and it's not a bad thing.
some of the things you have said is true.
Souvenirs. You have to be kidding. They are disgusting.
I want an Afghan finger too...
That's funny how everybody tries to look at the "atrocities" of American troops. This posing with dead bodies has been done since before our time. Majority of these suit's don't know what it is like down range and know how everything you deal with there changes your perspective on everything. Hell even basic training changes your perspective on everything... I guess people don't remember or realize that it's life or death out there, kill or be killed. How do they know that they were innocent Afghans? Stupid media that only shows stuff that has to do with the troops if it's "bad" or "uncivilized" but when they do something great or outstanding they aren't recognized, instead they'd rather talk about actors and whining as athletes that complain that they aren't getting paid enough money... I would have to say that is the atrocity how the media doesn't give individual soldiers enough credit for their heroism...
Regardless, posing with a corpse is disgusting & shouldnt be accepted.
Really, why would anyone even want too?
In the long history of war that humans have experienced, it has been realized that such trophy taking is just 'salt in the wound,' 'insult to injury' that keeps peoples hating each other and producing more and more war.
Jesse – you are misinformed. One of the soldiers confessed the killed were innocent. His father called the military, but he was not listened first. His son's life was threatened by the colegues. They are dogs and deserve to die.
i think u should be on a different forum Jesse- yes we value what Military people but that doesnt givevanyone a right to do such acts ... look at those terrorists they send pictures of how they kill people and show it on national TV now look at this US military? now tell me us what sets them apart? if you were a military person and have never such things you would be ashamed of these acts not unless youre their parents, friend or if you do the same thing!! i support the troops but i wont give justification for their barbaric actions of "SOME" of them!!
Shame on them! A few bad apples tarnishing the name and efforts of their colleagues.
Alan – it is not the problem of few bad apple, but all military is involved. You kill civilians intentionally when you bomb a country.
You know it will happen, so you are responsible even more than those bad apples. US soldiers are liars and baby killers.
It is a shame to be in the US military as it is the junk of the country, the most ignorant and uneducated part.
SALERNO...YOU ARE NOT IN THE MILITARY. YOU DONT RESPECT ANYONE IN THE US MILITARY. YOU SAY THEY ARE UNEDUCATED. WHY DONT YOU JUST GET OUT FROM USA. WHY YOU EVEN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT USA IF YOU HATE MILITARY.
Dindy America is a good country, but the military is the evil part, along with the leadership.
This does not bother me...
its sad that a handful of people would cause such controversy and tarnish the reputation of US military– It is not acceptable at all, whatever the reason is!!! this makes me think, what sets them apart from terrorist ? –a us military uniform!!!
what gives you the right to say that? have you served?
do i have to serve and then take pictures of the people i killed? hypothetically speaking if they were rebels or what not does this give this people right to flaunt such horrible images? these are not animals theyre human beings and that was the issue to begin with point is they shouldnt do such things!!
Serving the US military is a shame not a waty to get more reliability or considerations. US soldiers are fanatic baby killers.
not a WAY to get...
Salerno...who has entered USA sometimes ago hate US forces for a personal reason . Shame on you because you have never appreciate even one good soldier in the US Army.
I have no personal reason to blame the US military.
LOL That's the American Style baby!!! "BE ALL YOU CAN BE" !!!
Where you do your best is when you try to be a crap. Stupid !
This is some of the worst reporting I have ever seen. It is unabashedly sensationalistic and one-sided, and our wonderful reporter does not pay any attention to standard journalism rules (for example, the phrase is "declined to comment" or "could not be reached for comment," not "refused to call us back").
I am not condoning the actions here, merely saying that the soldiers deserve a little more respect than the amateur reporting that is going on in this video.
CNN, it has been a pleasure, but you have stooped as low as FOX news on the other side. I'll be paying for The New York Times rather than watch this muck for free.
always have to bring fox news into everything....liberals just never give it a rest
He is saying CNN is liberal. Reading comprehension>you.
And Ghoulies "Don't???
And what do the 'rules' of journalism have to do with actions like these that show such lack of character?
The Tuscon shooter was a civilian. In fact he was to physco for the army. Thus all civilians are crazy murders. He killed a child; a civilan killed a child. All civilians should be kept away from children,
See a problem with this logic. There is a much higher rate of Murderers among civilians than soldiers.
maybe there are more civilians than soldiers in the world, you think?
but presidents and generals can call in airstrikes and kill thousands of civilians a year and its a ok.. hypocrites.
This is what happens when you send a Fox News watching inbreed off to war with poor training and a sense of self righteous revenge.
Regardless of political persuasion, those men are soldiers first, and though their actions are not commendable, they followed orders.
Is the military perfect? No. But then again, neither are you.
Yeah, I am not perfect but then I don't have an sophisticated automatic weapon in my hand and a license to kill in another country. These soldiers do..... and whereas they command respect for doing the right thing they also should be held to the highest moral standards just because they are armed to the teeth.
These guys were not following orders. They were murdering innocent and unarmed people for fun. Way too many people commenting on here who don't know the facts. In other cases that's ok and fun and all but this is way too serious for most people. My dad and many of his friends were partisans during WWII. The Germans literally chased him out of Poland. Sympathizers including governments helped him get to France where he joined the Free Polish Forces under British command. Again he was chased by the Germans. As the English escaped from Dunkirk across the English cahnnel back to England his unit ran south to Spain where they were shipped to Africa. He fought like hell the entire war and saw things he never talked about. After the war he ended up in Scotland without a country because it was taken over by the Russians. I don't know how they got his Enfield away from him but he had it for a long time. I could go on and on about the horrors my family went through. Point is this stuff is important to many people for many personal reasons so please no jokes or uninformed comments. Pick another story to have fun.
Actually, they're people first, then soldiers. In any society, you have people who break the law. These two soldiers don't represent all male soldiers any more than a civilian rapist, murderer, or child molester represents all civilian men.
Your a idiot.
It's hard to attack someone as an idiot when you spell the first word of your accusation incorrectly.
You can't spell. Another Fox News winner.
Your is correct. You're is used when followed by a verb ending in ing.
"You're" is correct. It is a contraction for "you are". "Your" is a possessive pronoun.
You're is correct. Also, since idiot starts with a vowel, it should be "an" not "a."
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Absolutely right on this one. No one, who has not been there, can comment.
Why don't they give prospective soldiers more rigorous psych evaluations?
As one recently retired from the US Army, I wonder that as well.
If not frank psychological examinations, trainer versions!
We do NOT need these folks representing us in the field of battle!
We NEED honorable men and women.
NOT some subset that miss barracks inspections (or did we STOP that at the FOB?!), urinalysis examinations (or did I miss that at the FOB).
THESE SOB's smoked up on hash, then went on patrol, as was reported LONG earlier.
Sorry, but NONE of their behaviors was allowed, expected or permitted. By some silly thing as LAW.
So, with no due respect, sonny, screw the LOT of you.
They are no different from you or from other soldiers, from the perspective of the innocent people killed.
It is not different if you are killed by those crazy soldiers or by a "professional" pilot. For the people ALL YOU ARE CRIMINAL.
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