5 stars for Petraeus?
January 14th, 2011
08:29 AM ET

5 stars for Petraeus?

Members of the Senate and House armed services committees currently are talking to the Pentagon about the next round of hearings on Afghanistan, trying to coordinate sessions with the U.S. commander there, Gen. David Petraeus.

When Petraeus, probably the best-known military man in the wars of Iraq and Afghanistan, returns to answer questions, the television lights will shine on the four stars he wears on each shoulder.

Now a new debate is swirling in Washington, thanks to an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal pushing for Petraeus to get a fifth star, like military giants of the past.

"The U.S. war against terrorism is now the longest war in U.S. history, and Gen. Petraeus has clearly distinguished himself as a leader worthy of the rank held by Gens. MacArthur, Marshall and Nimitz," Pete Hegseth and Wade Zirkle, of the group Vets for Freedom, wrote in the Wall Street Journal.

Hegseth served in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division and is bound for Afghanistan. Zirkle, a Marine, deployed twice to Iraq.

They make the case that Petraeus deserves the higher rank and that others will benefit if he gets it.

"A promotion would properly honor his service - and it would also honor the troops he leads and has led," they write. "Today's soldiers have fought as valiantly as any in American history, and they deserve recognition of their leaders. Congressional approval of a fifth star would demonstrate the nation's commitment to their mission."

Hegseth aid Thursday that the response to their suggestion has been overwhelmingly positive. He laughed off a question about whether he had heard from Petraeus himself, saying he didn't expect to.

"We're just hoping to gain some traction," Hegseth said. He said congressmen already have volunteered to push the promotion forward, although he said he could not provide names.

A spokesman for Petraeus would not discuss the idea with CNN.

Most senior officers are selected by a promotion board of their peers. But for three-stars and above, the president makes the choice, and the Senate must confirm the decision. Right now, including Petraeus, there are only 12 four-star generals in the U.S. Army.

Currently, there is no legislation allowing the appointment of officers to a five-star grade, according to Pentagon information. The last general receiving a fifth star was Omar Bradley in 1950, and it took a special law to make that happen.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, recommended a fifth star during a congressional hearing back in 2008, when Petraeus was leading the surge of troops in Iraq.

"If I could promote you to five stars, I would," Graham told Petraeus.

The issue prompted tweets to CNN's @natlsecuritycnn account.

"An incredibly silly idea," says one answer to the question of the fifth star.

"As much as GOP want to deify him he's not a Washington or a Pershing," says another.

A supporter tweets, "He deserves by his achievements."

In the halls of the Pentagon, people shied away from questions. Asked about how the nuts and bolts of the promotion would work, one Pentagon worker admitted that it has been so long since Bradley that he didn't even know whom to call.

Another person, back from the battlefield, shrugged it all off.

"Most people do think it's laughable," he said. He didn't want to have his name tagged to any comment about a past or future boss.

The latest publicity is an echo of a call to elevate Petraeus: a July article in The Atlantic magazine.

The author, D.B. Grady, a former Special Forces paratrooper who served in Afghanistan, said that another star for Petraeus would give President Obama a chance to convince the U.S. military and allies that he's committed to the mission in Afghanistan.

"If you are wearing a uniform right now, and I talk to soldiers every day, there's a great deal of fear out there, a great deal of suspicion. President Obama needs a bit of bolstering in the military," Grady said. "Petraeus is deified in the military. It's win-win. With this there is no doubt that the world will appreciate we are taking it seriously in Afghanistan."

Critics of an additional star for Petraeus warn that it could interfere with the chain of command. He would outrank his superior at Central Command, Marine Gen. James Mattis, as well as the Joint Chiefs chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen.

But Hegseth says that should cause no problem, that Petraeus' stature already means he has direct contact with the White House and Congress and the secretary of defense.

Max Boot in Commentary magazine praises Petraeus but opposes the promotion, saying it would have a negative impact on the chain of command. He suggests waiting.

"I do think that when Petraeus is ready for retirement - something that I hope will not happen anytime soon - Congress should consider granting him another star if by that point he has turned around the war in Afghanistan as he did in Iraq," Boot writes on commentarymagazine.com.

There are no such concerns from Grady.

"It's just the nature of war today," he said. "Gen. Petraeus and Gen. Mattis are on equal footing. ... If Petraeus dropped dead tomorrow, hit by a stray bullet, or retired there is not another unifying force to speak out about the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq. He is the man."


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  1. corvidillis

    Just watched an interview with Colon Powell on CNN.
    He said that the predator drone attacks were not the only complication to relations with the Pakistani people. He worries about an increase in Islamic fundamentalism.

    Please tell me Mr. Powell just where would you turn if your families and neighbors were senselessly being killed by a rain of terror from the sky Mr. Powell? You find you are helpless to stop it. You realize that your government is complacent with these attacks that rarely isolate their intended target, and are more likely to turn you and your loved ones into bloody pulp.

    You would turn to your GOD! And that would be the most fundamental and virulent version of said religious sentiment.

    If you don’t like the current trends with the religious expression in Pakistan, please use your influence to persuade the US military that there is no acceptable
    number for collateral deaths in anybody’s neighborhood.
    We should realize this from living through 9/11.
    Enough is enough! Get out of Pakistan and Afghanistan now!

    January 23, 2011 at 10:18 am | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      corvidilis – You are totally right. Great comment !

      January 24, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Roberto a Benavidez Garcia

    woops this was certainly a loaded page with plent of information. I've seen general patreus name on other blogs such as wired.com I respect a man in his position being the General in this War. i appreciate the men and women fighting for this country and the states and territories. I will be joining the ranks of our fighting forces once I feel that i have the proper fitness education and strength to do so.

    January 22, 2011 at 3:18 am | Report abuse |
  3. Cruzer1

    I think the man deserves it! He is a true American doing his job very well.I had the pleasure of meeting him while deployed in afghanistan.No other person can be givin that much responsability and accomplish what he has.

    January 20, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
  4. David

    Mattis > Patraeus. General Mattis is the man. I would agree that Patraeus has been a bigger face of this war from the media's perspective, but that doesn't mean he is the one that deserves the 5th star. Someone who knows more about their roles in the wars strategy should decide that one.

    January 19, 2011 at 3:25 am | Report abuse |
  5. salerno

    I don't remember if Gen. Petreus was the responsible for the mass murdering of civilians including women and children in Falluja, but this is the way US military get their medals. UK deputy Alice Mahon dimitted herself for the shame of Falluja.

    January 18, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael O'Rourke

      Great post,salerno. You nailed it! Thanks a million.

      January 18, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jesse Cook

        Good grief Michael,I thought that you were in favor of this war. What happened???

        January 18, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael O'Rourke

        @ the other Michael O'Rourke

        Honest question: is that really your name or are you just pretending to be me? I don't mean to be insulting, it would just be interesting if that was your name.

        @salerno

        What mass murdering of civilians? Women and children? Not an American way of fighting really. The collateral death of some perhaps, but the word murder means intent to kill. There's really nothing to gain by the "mass murder" of civilians. It would just be a waste of resources and get the whole world mad at us.

        @ Jesse Cook

        The Michael O'Rourke that agreed with Salerno's post isn't this one. (This is the one that posted the long comment.) However, I would not say I am for the war. There are many things wrong with it, as well as good about it. However, I feel that is the fault of governments and not of soldiers. I honor the soldier, and I am in support of him/her.

        January 19, 2011 at 1:06 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette,IN

        Michael,are you forgetting what happened in Baghdad on Feb.13,1991 when two American pilots bombed the Amriya air raid shelter,killing well over 414 civilians,mostly women,old people and children? Well I'm not and that action was totally uncalled for!!!

        January 19, 2011 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Michael – mass murdering in Falluja is history. It had even political ripercussions with the dimission of the UK politician.
      You are correct that this was a negative for the US image as the tortures of prisoners in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib.
      The massacre was the easiest way for the cowards to overcome the resistence of the people. They applied the same ROE Hitler applied during WWII. New record for US military.

      January 19, 2011 at 3:40 am | Report abuse |
  6. PeterK

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I am an OIF Vet and currently serving/AGR. I tell you this guy deserves an award. But, in my opinion this award should not be another Star but, Why not recommend him for a Congressional Medal of Honor!!!!!!!!!!!!.
    After all in 90 % of Service members if survayed..today will agree that he is the most respected Military man in all our five Military Branches. thanks
    PeterK

    January 18, 2011 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
  7. Michael O'Rourke

    I agree with the article that David Petraeus has done an excellent job as a general, and all of his subordinates should feel lucky to be serving under him. Perhaps he does not deserve all the credit that has been given to him, but he has done well none-the-less. I do not think, however, that Patraeus should receive a fifth star.

    This is not a knock on his skill or ability, as I believe he possesses much of both. It has nothing to do with a belief that he hasn't earned it. It is simply that he shouldn't receive one because there is no point to the fifth star. Any symbol of rank, be it a private's chevron or a general's star, has only one purpose. To establish a chain of command. General David Petraeus is already at the top of his chain on command, and by adding a fifth star he would not expand that chain. If there were other four star generals under his direct command, a fifth star would be warranted. However, as there are none, there is no point nor purpose to another star.

    Many people try to draw connections between Petraeus and Eisenhower, but I believe it would be a false analogy to do so. In Ike's chain of command, there were multiple four star generals under him (Future 5-star Omar Bradely, for one), as well as Field Marshall Montgomery. In order to establish himself as Supreme Commander of the theater, a fifth star was warranted.

    Petraeus has no similar need of a fifth star. The granting of the star would be a purely political move, and have no real military basis.

    I know the military has often granted promotions for political reasons (John Pershing and George Washington as 6-stars for example), but I believe those concessions should not be made at all. The military is to be a fighting machine, plain and simple. Its only mission is to create peace from war by killing as man of the enemy as possible. It must then keep the peace through the same method. Thus, the military and military promotions should be geared towards only one thing; being as efficient as possible. Granting the fifth star would not increase the efficiency of the Army, thus it should not be done.

    David Petraeus has done a wonderful job, and should receive recognition for it. Giving a star for no other reason than giving a star, however, is not the type of recognition that the military needs.

    January 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • George Patton

      So what? Anybody can do a "wonderful" job as long as they have all the odds in their favor. After all,we have all the tanks,artillery,helicoptors,planes and what have you plus billions of dollars to bribe people with and that is a lot more than what we had to work with during WW2! So quit bragging so hard!!!

      January 18, 2011 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Andrew Lubin

        Well stated,George. You said it all.

        January 18, 2011 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
      • Michael O'Rourke

        @ George Patton

        Warfare has evolved. Conventional warfare may still exist, perhaps in a future war we shall see it. But that is not what General Petraeus is being tested on. Counterinsurgency tactics are as complex, if not more so, than those of conventional warfare. In conventional warfare, you know who your enemy is. You know where your enemy is. In counterinsurgency warfare, you do not. The man you feed today may kill you tomorrow.

        All the Abrahms tanks in the world cannot save you from insurgents. This is a different method of war. If we enter conventional warfare, does Petraeus deserve any of his stars, let alone the five some people want to give him? I don't know. Perhaps he does. In the warfare he has fought however, he has excelled. Excelled beyond his peers.

        That is undeniable. Try to do so is just a stretch.

        If Petraeus fought the Nazi's, yes, he may have lost to the likes of Rommel and Manstein. Maybe he would have excelled. We don't know. But based on his performance and the performance of his peers, he has excelled in counterinsurgency warfare.

        January 19, 2011 at 12:58 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      @Michael O'Rourke- There are no 6 Star Generals, Pershing and Washington were promoted to 5 Star Later, Washington will forever be considered the highest ranking 5 Star General despite the fact he lost most of his battles- he was willing to lead when all others were scared in early America's time of need.

      January 18, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael O'Rourke

        @ The Prophet Mohammed

        You're right, there is no official "6-star" rank. However, both John Pershing and George Washington have the rank of General of the Armies, a rank accepted to be senior to that of the 5-star General of the Army. The term "6-star" is a colloquialism for that rank.

        Still my point remains, that those promotions were nothing more than political gambits. I do agree that both (as well as Petraeus) receive supreme recognition of some sort, I just don't believe military rank should be that recognition.

        January 19, 2011 at 12:50 am | Report abuse |
  8. Dan in Lafayette, IN

    An angel, probably Gabriel came to Mary and told her that she was carrying the Holy Spirit which is God in human form. His purpose was to be the final sacrifice for all humankind for forgiveness of our sins! God was tired of all the sacrifices that the Jews were doing repeatedly without turning away from sin, so he gave his only begotten son for whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life! This is the only way to receive the Holy Spirit which will help all to turn away from sin. And when we believe in Him God will forgive us and we will be robed in white cloth as we are received in heaven! No man will go to heaven without the faith in the trinity, GOD as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

    January 17, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Dindy..

    so many cultures....so many religion.s......so many countries.... I think of Jhon lenon in times like this.

    January 17, 2011 at 9:12 am | Report abuse |
  10. legacy.

    why Bin was so crazy to attack US ? why he is hiding now? He lets other people die behalf of him and enjoying his life.

    January 17, 2011 at 9:08 am | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Bin Laden fully reached his goal. He demonstrated how barbarians are the US killing civilians and he got a lot more recruiting for AlQaeda or similar organizations.

      January 17, 2011 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Salerno, I will pray for your lost soul!

        January 17, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • legacy

        Bin. did..wake up a sleeping tiger like Dindy said earlier. Any man who wake up a sleeping tiger is a fool. Not a hero. Now Bin hides and sending others to die for his protection.

        January 18, 2011 at 1:14 am | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        legacy – USA was not at all a sleeping tiger (or giant) like before WWII. USA was DEEPLY involved in bombing Iraq from 1992 to 1999, bombing Sudan, supporting Israel, building military basis in S.Arabia, may be you were sleeping, but not USA.
        This is why you had 9/11 and you had a bad wakening. Thousans of americans are dieing and US economy is shrinking.
        Really sleeping countries like China have no problems.

        January 18, 2011 at 3:41 am | Report abuse |
      • hank-in-the-grass

        @ salerno, you're wierd. are you a terrorist too?

        January 20, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        hank – I don't know what you are talking about. I am not a terrorist becouse I do not support the american war by any means.

        January 21, 2011 at 8:12 am | Report abuse |
  11. OIF Vet

    – So undcer his direct leadership the US has obtained decisive quantiative results in Iraq, etc...that has led to "mission accomplished"?

    – "If Petraeus dropped dead tomorrow, hit by a stray bullet, or retired there is not another unifying force to speak out about the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq. He is the man"...what? Ridiculous and not a good thing! As in any military organization if the leader is KIA/MIA then there is someone who can step up to the plate and take over...without such means mission failure because. This means General Petraeus is not properly communicating...because "what" he knows...all his Staff and other Military Leaders should know.

    – Pay freeze for Fed civilians and Military...and we "absolutely" have to give this guy a fifth star? Is that fiscally responsible?

    January 17, 2011 at 4:12 am | Report abuse |
  12. Dindy.....

    Here there was a women who worshiped devil and one day she saw all her children like snakes and cut them and chopped into pieces. It was the punishment from God. May be God made Judas to appear front of people like Jesus to get hung on the cross. I am sorry. Even I had a hard time believing why Jesus was hung. Every day I cry when take communion because Jesus died for my sins?? That is what we hear in the church. I feel terrible. Then I question my mind where and what I did. Then I make up my mind thinking Adam did. So there for all of us as his generation sinned. So because of one man sin came and because of the Holy Jesus God became reunited with us and we should not sin again. Yet Elijah and Moses was in union with God. Then it shows God is mercy.

    January 17, 2011 at 2:36 am | Report abuse |
  13. Dindy.....

    January 15th 4.40am and 4:44 am are. Not my posts. A man with drugs comes here time to time to write under other peoples ID.

    January 17, 2011 at 1:48 am | Report abuse |
  14. salerno

    Dan – I agree with love, faith and hope, but without concrete actions the violence will prevail from both sides. Islamic terrorism is fueled by the specular western terrorism. They use the word "deterrent" wich contains the radical "terr" as well as terrorism.
    There are many people in the west thinking and acting like the Nazi, as they do not care killing innocent people, exactly like AlQaeda.

    January 16, 2011 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      Salerno your brainwashed! The west does not terrorize anybody in anyway!

      January 16, 2011 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Dan – Actually in Afghanistan people in many villages are terrorized by US raids during the night. Also do you really think in North Waziristan there are not civilians ? What about the 500.000 orphans in Iraq ?

        January 16, 2011 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Sorry salerno,I didn't post that stupid comment above. That's Pfunnie boy trying to make a jerk out of me again. Of course the West terrorizes people. Back on Feb.15,1991,for instance,two American pilots in an F-117 bomber dropped two bombs on a civilian air raid shelter in Baghdad,Iraq,killing more than 414 civilians,mostly women and children. In fact,I well remember a man who had his whole family in that shelter bemoan his horrific loss the following day and that made me sick.

        January 16, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sanity

        Well said,Dan. I too,remember that horrific incident especially since it was uncalled for.

        January 16, 2011 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Sorry folks,that happened on Feb.13,1991 not the 15th like I stated above. Sorry for the missprint. By the way,those creeps who did the bombing were never brought to justice. If one is American,British,French or Russian,they can get away with almost anything which is repulsive.

        January 17, 2011 at 1:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Salerno your so naive when you try to stand up for these Islamic extremists who have killed many innocent people and made many orphans, I would say at least 90% of them and as for terrorizing people, night time air raids which do not put any civilians in any danger are far less terrorizing then the many suicide bombers that have killed thousands of people and made many orphans! YOU NEED TO DO SOME SOUL SEARCHING! FIND SOMETHING TO DO THAT DOES SOMEONE SOME GOOD IN LIFE INSTEAD OF STICKING UP FOR EVIL DOERS!

        January 18, 2011 at 12:01 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        As for you phony boy war is war and those pilots had targets to hit they did not know what was inside them. Maybe we got some bad intelligence and thought there were some bombs or jet fighters inside who knows but you cannot blame the pilots or their commanders because like I said war is war and if Saddam did not invade Kuwait there would be no dead so actually you can blame Saddam!

        January 18, 2011 at 12:11 am | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Dan – When you attack a country like Iraq or Afghanistan you are responsible for ALL civilians deaths. You are using weapons unable to discriminate betwen combatants and non combatants. Do you pretend people allow you to invade their country without a reaction ? American people are barbarians loving violence and weapons and their soldires are cowards hiding behind civilians and bringing the war in their civilians houses.

        January 18, 2011 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ salerno- Terrorizing the Terrorists doesn't count in my book, if they are protecting them then they are part of the problem and get what they deserve.

        January 18, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      prophet – you are a liar. Americans kill innocent people not terrorists. They did not kill Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri, or Haqqani or Budhari. American soldiers massacred all civilians in Falluja including children using napalm-like material called MK77.
      Gen. Petreus did similar things in Afghanistan. American sopldiers are like animals and the only way to fight them is using IED and suicide bombers. Even women and children are fighting against them.

      January 18, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @Salerno- Keep spewing your lies you ignorant Paki Worm. It's called collateral damage and yes sometimes innocent civilians will get killed but to say they were massacred is just ridiculous. If the people would get involved instead of hiding or turning a blind eye to the terrorist and take charge of their OWN country, there would be less collateral damage and the Afghan people would be better off for it.

        January 20, 2011 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Theprophet – you call collateral damage, but it is deliberate mass murdering. Falluja was paradigmatic. UK deputy dimitted herself for that. Also Taliban and AlQaeda can claim their civilians killing is collateral damage.
        Why dou you not use only rifle or swords like in the middle age ? At that time there was no possibility for collateral damage.

        January 21, 2011 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
  15. salerno

    If Israel accepted UN resolution, and a palestinian state were started, it will be involved to control Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas born after Israel refused the 1967 borders. It seems Israel does not want peace and prefers to make new illegal settlements.

    January 15, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      Well I doubt it, but in any case the Bible says that Israel and the Jewish people will once again be in control of the Holy land for a short time and it's been 38+ years that they have been in control and with God that is a short time. So now I'm believing that the end is near and with all that is going on in the world today it does seem like we are living in the end times that Jesus had foretold in the Bible. I just wish that we all would learn the three greatest things in life, LOVE, FAITH and HOPE and act accordingly with LOVE being the most important!

      January 15, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Well I guess I should change the start of that comment above and say well I hope so. I shouldn't contradict myself and have hope that even Islamic terrorists could have a change of heart huh?

        January 15, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Jesus had nothing to do with 360 degrees and the new testament is everything to do with Him! The Holy Bible was inspired by God and is His word! There are no contradictions in it and if you know of any verse that contradicts another let me know!

        January 17, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil

        The Bible? If that is your only argument, you have nothing at all to offer. The bible is a badly-translated collection of myths and lies. When you bring religion into a serious discussion you have thrown your credibility into the same trash heap as you tossed your rational thinking and ability to recognize obvious facts.

        Why should we promote anyone for leading an illegal, contra-productive war that has not accomplished anything other than being a recruitment device for the terrorists?

        January 18, 2011 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
  16. salerno

    I respond to the "bad" Dan that I do not believe US claim that civilians are killed unintentionally. US is not different from AlQaeda as both kill innocent people even using different methods.
    To Dindy I say that first of all I would have used a lessaggressive policy than US did BEFORE 9/11. Clinton bombung of Iraq and Sudan, support for Israel are the main reason. Terrorism is a problem of internal security as terrorists entered into US LEGALLY and were trained in US flying schools. The attack was planned in Germany and the hijackers were from S.Arabia and Egypt. Afghanistan was involved very indirectly as the Haqqani network formed allied of US harboured AlQaeda, but it is a minority inside Afghan people. Many Afghans fight US becouse attacked.

    January 15, 2011 at 4:29 am | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      Again good posting,salerno. Don't believe anything this Phunnie boy posts under Dan's or my name. For the record,we both agree with you.

      January 15, 2011 at 4:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      After almost ten years of fighting by now all of Afghanistan must realize that we are after the Taliban and al Qaeda and any other terrorists that would harm America's interests including Israel which is an ally of the United States! Salerno you must be Palestinian, I can detect your hatred for Israel. No matter if you like it or not Israel is the state for the Jewish people who have been exiled, slaughtered and defeated many times over and you should have sympathy for them after all they are God's chosen people! Now if you want to continue with the killing and hatred for the Jewish people may God have mercy on your soul because they only have a slice of land in the Middle East whereas the Arabs have plenty to provide for the Palestinian people. So if I were Palestinian I would ask for a summit in the Arab land and ask them for help to avoid the wrath of God!

      January 15, 2011 at 11:39 am | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Dan – no I am not Palestinian, and do not hate jews. I simply told US supported too much Israel. They are not the people elected by God and should accept the 1967 border to have a real peace.

        January 15, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        I am sorry and according to the United Nations resolutions they should accept the 1967 borders but I don't think that will bring real peace. There are some that want the destruction of Israel altogether, Hezbollah and Hamas have to prove otherwise. Same with Iran.

        January 15, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dindy.....

        Dan ..well written

        January 17, 2011 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
    • Dindy.....

      salerno....the question is not where or how they planned it. The question is the attack was the most inhuman one. Do not wake up a sleeping tiger . That is what Bin laden did. So no one should cry when drones fall.

      January 17, 2011 at 9:00 am | Report abuse |
  17. salerno

    Yacobi is right, not like a Hindu (criminal) or Dan in lafayet (liar) .
    Even recently CNN reported a drone blew up a shop becouse a low level militant entered inside. We have seen Wikileaks showing the truth about US military lies.

    January 14, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      Good posting,salerno. Thank you.

      January 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dindy.....

      Salerno .. Do not underestimate US military. They went for war because bin laden ruined their country men and their heritage in New york which is not easy for any American to forget. If something like that happen to you ...,what would you do?

      January 14, 2011 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • salerno

      Yacobi is intelligent.

      January 21, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Dan in Lafayette, IN

    All men and women fighting this war on terrorism will be rewarded by God for their unselfish bravery in fighting these Islamic extremists who have no brotherly love for mankind let alone their own Muslim brothers!

    January 14, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • mcmurdo proud military fiance

      amen to that Dan in laf, I agree, god will say well done my good and faithful servant and then be given a crown of glory which is the most precious of all gifts

      January 14, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • George Patton

      Will you just cut the right-wing mumbo-jumbo,mcmurdo? In my day,we had an enemy to fight who matched our military might but today,since we have All the tanks,All the artillery,All the helicoptors and All the aircraft,it's quite questionable that Gen.Petraeus actually earned anything with All the odds in his favor!!!

      January 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dindy.....

      Good post Dan. Most of the Muslim people are good . But I dont understand these suicide bombers as you will also agree.

      January 14, 2011 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      I agree Dindy but I do have a few problems with the teachings of Islam. I being a Christian may be biased but I cannot believe that Jesus and Judas were transformed with each other and when you take some verses from the Holy Bible and say that they are not the prophecy of the coming of Jesus or the Holy Spirit but say it is the prophecy for the coming of your own prophet that is somewhat blasphemous to me.

      January 15, 2011 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
  19. Carole Clarke

    We've turned into the feel-good nation. A fifth star is not just a promotion, it's ranking him as an American Field Marshal, which he is not. He's simply not that good. Those who did attain the 5th star were that good and were in World Wars, not guerilla wars. The magnitude is not great enough. He is no Pershing, no McArthur, no Eisenhower. As an old Army Brat I'd rank alot of generals before him who did not get a 5th star. He's doing well with what we gave him, too bad what we gave him was so little. If we had not gotten side-tracked into Iraq to settle personal family scores and make billions for the contractors who serviced an unnecessary war we'd've finished up in Afghanistan long ago. Bin Laden would be dead and Al Qaeda scotched. But the American people have gotten too lazy to police their government, they prefer to believe the rot they hear thru the media, life's easier when you don't have to think. Why not let the rabble-rousers do your thinking for you? So much easier than doing your political homework and making good decisions. Where can we go to get away from the jerks on the left and the right? I'm sick of all of them.

    January 14, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      This war on terrorism is WWIII. It will involve most every nation! And it is much harder to fight an unseen enemy than one with a uniform on!

      January 14, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dindy.....

        Very Good post again. This war has already affected many nations. This is most terrible war and sad. God"s own children are fighting against each other. Lord may help all of us to come out of this terrible situation and unite.

        January 14, 2011 at 11:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sanity

      "Those who did attain the 5th star were that good and were in World Wars, not guerilla wars." Really? This geurilla war is far harder to fight than WWII. At least in WWII we knew who are enemies were, they were in uniform. These 'guerillas' hide among civilians, hit and run.

      January 14, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • salerno

        Guerriglia was moved even during WWII. You know nothing about that. Today US military have superior technoòogy and every comfort for soldiers. Notwithstanding this superiority they do not spare civilians becouse are too coward to risk their lives. This is why they face guerriglia techniques.

        January 14, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Your an idiot salerno. We take every precaution for the safety of the civilian population. The Taliban and it's terrorist allies have no care for the civilian population as we have heard that a bus with women and children on board hit an IED or a suicide bomber blowing himself up inside a mosque. Quit trying to sugarcoat evil, evil is evil and don't paint NATO as the bad guy, good is good!!!

        January 14, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Sorry salerno,I didn't post that stupid comment above. Just don't pay any attention to Pfunnie boy who keeps posting his right-wing mumbo-jumbo under my name. He does the same thing to Sanity too,as one can plainly see above.

        January 14, 2011 at 5:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dindy.....

        Great post sanity.

        January 14, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Well said,salerno. Thank you/

        January 15, 2011 at 4:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      Most of Americans are united and true Americans as you can see from the support for Tuscon and their loss from the anti-American killer that horrified the city.If your 360 cult would attack American interests somewhere you would see how united we are against Islamic extremism.

      January 14, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      Sorry misprint I meant Tucson.

      January 14, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      Good post Carole,except that all the jerks you're talking about are on the right. There simply are no "lefties" or better said,liberals in Washington and like you and Gen.Patton already said,Gen. Patraeus isn't that good! And we need to get rid of all the right-wing thugs who are currently running everything.

      January 14, 2011 at 5:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      I Agree, additionally at a time when the US Army is looking at sending 49,000 troops to the unemployment line- promoting to a 5 Star and the increase in pay doesn't send the right message with me.

      January 18, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
  20. salerno

    Another medal for what ? For the lies spread to the media ? for fighting people equipped with sandals and rifles using tanks, air crafts, missiles ? Other commanders and soldiers had to face more difficoult situations. But this is the point where America is today. Not many soldiers were dead in recent wars if compared with Vietnam, but the enemy is a lot less equpiied and even overmatched by number.

    January 14, 2011 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
    • George Patton

      Quite true,salerno. The troops today don't even compare with the troops of yesteryear when we didn't have all the odds in our favor like today. Would Patraeus be as successful on a leveler playing field? That remains to be seen.

      January 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Andrew Lubin

    Oh please. His "Counterinsurgency Manual" was co-written by Marine General James Mattis, and the Marine's had Anbar Province "won" by Spring 2007 – a YEAR before all of Petraus's "Surge troops" even departed the US for Iraq.

    January 14, 2011 at 8:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      Anbar province actually was not won until we paid off Sunni leaders to go after Iraqi al Qaeda terrorists and the troops surge stopped Iran's ability to send it's own terrorists in Iraq to attack American and Iraqi forces. General Petraeus' plan of 30 thousand troops surge worked so do not put him down. He should be rewarded for it!

      January 14, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        You wish! There are very little terrorists in Anbar.

        January 14, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sanity

      THe Marines wouldnt have done it without the Sunni Awakening or the Sons of Iraq

      January 14, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        And that was made possible only because the C.I.A. succeeded in bribing these creeps,or better said "Quislings" with billions of U.S. tax dollars! That "victory" had been bought and paid for!!!

        January 14, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        There was no bribery done, we just paid them for the work they did in killing al Qaeda for us!

        January 15, 2011 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        And no way was it even millions of dollars let alone billions. So shut your fingers phony boy!

        January 15, 2011 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |