October 11th, 2010
09:36 AM ET

Fareed's Take: Talking to the Taliban

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has started talks with representatives of the Taliban, a move that analyst Fareed Zakaria says could bring an end to the nine-year-long war.

"Most civil wars end with some kind of negotiated settlement, and in the Afghan case this is inevitable," says Zakaria. "Much as we don't want to believe it, the Taliban is a part of Afghan society. It represents some section of the conservative Pashtun community. These people are not foreigners who will go away one day. Finding a way to integrate them into the political system is a good idea."

Watch his take above about the process, the likelihood for success without the U.S. at the negotiating table, and just how Pakistan fits into all this.

And read the full Q&A: How to end the war in Afghanistan
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  1. LarryKegel(US Army)

    Jester: You Are A Idiot!!!

    October 18, 2010 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
  2. LarryKegel(US Army)

    You are a Idiot!!!

    October 18, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
  3. SAnwar

    For arguments sake, that part of world is least democratic, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India etc etc are sham democracies, Afghans never had anything until we dismantled only sane system of Government they had, Pakistan political structure is immature, India elected Government kills 2000 of its own people (Google for Gujarat Killings British High Commission Report, European Union declared Indian state’s Chief Minister Narendra Modi persona non grata, BRAVO EU that all they could do, BUT He won the next elections, coz he killed the unwanted minority, BRAVO.) .

    So lets not think of democracy as its know in western hemisphere. AND democratic process, its success only depends on how it is conducted based on local realities, Pashtuns are a majority and Taliban main base line support. No solution to Afghanistan will be long lasting until the fears and or dominant political / terrorist powers are accommodated.

    October 17, 2010 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Bob Bichen

    Let's all be clear, though. Afghanistan will not look like main street USA or even Asia any time soon. The land is too wild, and there are too many foul and selfish forces at odds there. The best we can hope for is a situation of relative stalemate where the various warlords and factions can keep each other in check, and the Afghan government is strong enough to act as goalie or line judge (with a gun) if someone gets too far out of line. What the country realy needs is to leverage their newly identified mineral and natural resource wealth along with a non-corrupt government to truly improve the lives of their people (especially women). But I don't see that happening any time soon.

    October 17, 2010 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
  5. Bob Bichen

    One of my favorite sayings is, "negotiate from a position of strength." Despite the well publicized burning of the fuel convoy recently, the U.S. and NATO armed forces have done a great job of taking it to the Taliban and have weakened them significantly. Things are now similar to how they were in Iraq when the war turned; those left realize that if they don't start negotiating and knock off the insurgency, there will be none of them left. As distasteful as it may be to negotiate the with the enemy it is how long term peace is formed. I am confident that the investment of American dollars and lives in this region will not be wasted as we have been able to frame things in a way that allows for longer term stability for the region. Now if we (the West) can only help the valiant Iranian people in their struggle against the extreme right in their government. Iran probably has the greatest potential to create stability in the region, but the ayatollahs and that current fool they have for a president has got to go if this is to occur.

    October 17, 2010 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
  6. DurtOrange

    We are all foolish to think that we have any insight on this war. Do any of us have military or government clearance to be in attendance at the war meetings that go on at the pentagon? Has anyone met with our generals, or the Afghanistan and Pakistan governments? We know only what the media lets us or wants us to know and what the government 'leaks' out to them. We hear the 'spinned' out and the 'watered' down versions. We know nothing of real importance. The only facts we know are that we are fighting the Taliban and Al Quada because they are terrorist and are a world threat, they planned and executed 911, we are hunting down Bin Laden, and we are helping the Afghanistan government control or destroy them. That's it folks. We don't know the strategies, or the long-term plans of the Pentagon and what they want for an 'end-game'. We don't know what the generals see day in and day out over there. We don't know what the CIA is doing over there; who they are talking to, and what kind of secret meetings are being held to hopefully help us win the war. Unless we are in those meetings, or at the pentagon, or sitting down the table from the President at the white house, or at least on the ground in Afghanistan, we don't have a real clue. Are you really depending and trusting the media for all your information?? Are you really taking seriously everything O'Reilly, Rush, Beck, Sevren, etc are saying to you??..... I believe we are all smarter than that.

    October 17, 2010 at 9:23 am | Report abuse |
  7. Jay

    If the Taliban comes back to power, it will be a disaster for the whole world, primarily for the US, Europe, India, Israel etc. the so called infidel nations. Members of minority islamic sects and shias will be slaughtered (if there are any left), women will not be allowed to leave their homes, minority religions will have to pay the special protection taxes with no real protection, and most importantly, Afghanistan will once again become a safe haven for islamic jihadists from all over the world to regroup and re-arm with confidence and state sponsorship. All the good work done by our men and women in uniform over the last decade will be laid to waste. The end game will not be a good one. The crazies will plot and attack the west again, and we will lose this war. I don't know what Fareed is smoking.

    October 17, 2010 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
  8. ALL Good Muslims

    the american government is rumored to have a new program
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    October 17, 2010 at 4:34 am | Report abuse |
  9. Ishan

    Mr. Zakaria :

    Once Again, you have shown your true color i.e. Hard Core Fundamentalist Muslim in the disguise of a so-called ' Journalist ' !! It is pathetic that CNN would give you job other than jenitor !!

    – Ishan

    October 17, 2010 at 1:27 am | Report abuse |
  10. Ishan

    Dear WormYakubi :

    Sure, Beggar Pakistanis kissed ass of North Korea and got their nukes. I wonder whose ass they will have to lick to get out of Dark Age they are right now ?
    The only way for the ' Salvation ' of Pakistan and for the Peace on this Planet is to Devide Pakistan in to at the least four Chunk and Each Chunk should be assigned to direct and absolute UN Control and Authority. You and Other Pakis have only one way to get rid of Shatan i.e. Embrace Hinduism ..so, that you would again become Human from worm by the Blessings of Trinity !!

    – Ishan

    October 17, 2010 at 1:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Zebra

      @Ishan
      Use spell check before insulting anyone. It will make you look smarter than you actually are.

      October 17, 2010 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Sad

    I wonder how the negotiators are going to sit in the same room with these primative thug women abusing,killing,cavemen!! You know they better have some air freshner handy. And plenty of safe houses for the female population!!!!

    October 16, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
  12. qwqwwq

    Oil pipeline. OIL OIL OIL! Cut Social Security to pay for Haliburton (based in Dubai) and get on with it1

    October 16, 2010 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
  13. mahmood

    Let a foreign sympathizer dictate American policy. Go ahead, see what happens in 5 years or so. The soldiers have fought for nothing. Maybe you need your freedom removed. Is that what your president is doing now? Some do not deserve the freedom they enjoy due to the American military. If you live in the U.S. and you do no like it, then GET THE HELL OUT! Your opinion is not valued nor respected by those who love freedom and the U.S., Mr. Zakaria. Why do you not tell the Taliban to give up? Are you muslim?

    October 15, 2010 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Theo

    Those of you who believe that the Afghan gov't will remain intact after a US withdrawal are not students of history. As you may recall, the Soviets implemented a similar strategy of installing a gov't, creating an army and a police force, but everything toppled on the way out. This time will be no different. Karzai will eventually reach a power sharing agreement with the Taliban, and after our departure, they will renege and he will flee the country.

    October 15, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
  15. che

    LOL. It's nonsense that US training of police and army will prevent Afghanistan from returning back to the bad old days. It's sad, but many of those the US army is training are members of the Taliban. I think the US tried to bring more democracy and openness to the place, but it has already failed with women needing to cover their hair, faces, etc.

    October 14, 2010 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
  16. William

    They are coming to the table because they realize that being shot is inevitable. They were told the USA would turn tail and run aftere a few years. Now they see their leaders blown up, their fighters killed and starved but those who support them, such as the Pakistan intelligence and Iran, playing games on the world stage at their expense. Life and Death. Strength and Weakness. These are the basic human notions they hold most dear and understand the most. They are at the table? Good. hit them even harder with the stick but offer them a peace that is more sweet than anything Pakistan has in mind for them.

    October 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
  17. LarryKegel(US Army)

    We will when it is the right time!!!

    October 14, 2010 at 6:05 pm | Report abuse |
  18. bailoutsos

    Hey, CNN wants you to share your memories of those you loved that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, soon Iran. Maybe it is time to bring all our sons and daughters home?

    October 14, 2010 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
  19. dindy Sri lanka

    Prophet Mohommed
    now you understand me. I am not a stinky as you have said earlier

    October 14, 2010 at 1:40 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      @ dindy Sri lanka- Actually I'm not sure if you are a manic depressive, split personality or if someone posts on your ID sometimes. Some things you say I agree with and some I don't becuase not all of your comments seem to be in line or consistent with each other. If I don't agree I will most likely have a smart @ss comment or try to offend, my goal here is to offend as many people as I can while providing entertainment to some and especially to myself. It might seem personal at times but it is not (at least not to me). Salaam.

      October 14, 2010 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
  20. born in USSR

    U've trained them, u've supplied them with modern weaponry, u've gave them support and allowed appearence of radical islam. It cost my native country 15000 dead, 10 years and a lot of money. What an irony that now u have to fight them back. Please keep yours troops over there, keep these fanatics out of my native country and keep us entertained.

    October 13, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      @ born in USSR- American is going to do what the USSR failed to do, put a McDonalds in Afghanistan, it's sort of like Muslims building a Mosque over a victory site. (sound familiar? (9/11 site, what a coincidence). Hmmmm.)

      McDonalds- Conquering the world, one hamburger at a time.
      The Prophet has spoken.

      October 14, 2010 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
      • William

        Not long after the USSR fell, you could get a McD burger in Red Square.

        October 14, 2010 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
  21. RonMD

    let's win like Vietnam. Declare the victory and RUN like hell.

    October 13, 2010 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      RonMd
      American"s never run. They fight and die like real men. you coward stop judging brave men from your magic chair.

      October 14, 2010 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Jester

        @dindy Srilanka
        Not really, Americans ran with tails between their legs from Vietnam.

        October 17, 2010 at 6:13 pm | Report abuse |
  22. USmustBsincerewithAFGHANSandWORLD

    The US must encourage talks with Taliban between Afghans and exclude the founders of terrorism in Pakistan(PAKISTAN ARMY AND ISI)...Americans and Afghans are dying because of Pakistanis double dealings.

    October 13, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      good comment US mB

      October 14, 2010 at 1:17 am | Report abuse |
  23. bailoutsos

    America's enemy has changed, so methods of dealing with them have to change.

    October 13, 2010 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      bailoutsos..
      correct

      October 14, 2010 at 1:20 am | Report abuse |
  24. Gary

    Talking with the Taliban is the right thing to do. It is their country, and they will always be a part of it. What happens after US leaves will probably bring Taliban to power, as not all elements of Taliban will negotiate. The radicals will take over unless the elders can convince them otherwise. This does not seem to be a concern to neighboring countries. If it gets out of control, they will solve the problem one way or the other. After all, they have purchased modern arms fro US and Soviets, and if they have the will, can defeat the Taliban if they try to spread their poison elsewhere.

    October 13, 2010 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
  25. dindy Sri lanka

    willie1234
    The leaders should send their children too for this war. Only then they can understand . They must secure the borders of their own land before and even now. It is not easy to fight a war in a foreign land. But these young soldiers still did their fight . So brave. yet..we have to understand ...the enemy does not have a uniform and they are like anaconda. when kill one.. then another one come. Also they are among civilians too .

    October 13, 2010 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
  26. bailoutsos

    CNN: Home and Away: Share your memories of troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq @@@@ Shiit, bring them home and then people would not have to "share memories."

    October 13, 2010 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Will it looks like Obama will be on His time schedule to get the troops out of There!!! We will just have to leave a few to make sure They stay with the PEACE plan...

      October 14, 2010 at 4:52 pm | Report abuse |
  27. SANJOSEMIKE

    The real questions are:

    1. Can we prevent Afghanistan from reverting to a national training camp for al Queda?
    2. Can we "protect" the rights of females?
    3. Can we prevent the Taliban from taking over the entire country?

    Ultimately we are there for our own security. As much as defending the rights of females is a fine agenda, it is essentially a "Western" agenda, and does not exist in Islam. That's just the way it is. So we need to concentrate on keeping the Taliban from taking over the entire country, as they did before. Does that mean we have to stay there permanently? Probably not...but long enough for a policial system with its own military to prevent the Taliban from taking over completely. That's the best we can do. We have to moderate our expectations. sanjosemike

    October 13, 2010 at 9:38 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      @ SANJOSEMIKE
      Good post and absolutely right, all we can really do is show them a different way of doing thigs and let them weigh the pros and cons of each. NATO is NOT there to impose western ways on them and that's what a lot of these muslins looking in from the outside do not get, they just assume America wants possesion of all these worthless rocks over here and that is not the case. Afghanistan can be helped along for a while but evetually they must stand on thier own, the sooner the better.

      October 13, 2010 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      agreed. But why they could nt have their own military for all these years (9 years)

      October 13, 2010 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Actually, they started building the military almost immediately but it has taken time to get Soldiers to enlist, train them and teach them how to run a Army, not just fight, CORRECTLY. This is a process that is still going on.

        October 14, 2010 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      If We train the troops, Police and Farmers to take care of themselves it is possible!!! First we have to get rid of the killing before We can train the Tribes to be on Their own...

      October 14, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
  28. dindy Sri lanka

    Dan larryfayatte..the.. whole world must pray against evil ..if nuke ...many innocents also die.

    October 13, 2010 at 6:54 am | Report abuse |
  29. Jester

    I loved the show in which Fareed interviewed former ISI head, who game him very good shutup calls.

    October 13, 2010 at 5:56 am | Report abuse |
  30. luis

    I agree, even though having the taliban in any kind of oficial power is a repulsive idea, they are part of that country and getting rid of them would take time and resources and even then it may not be enough...the policies used by the current US and Afghan government are probably the best outcome. I'm glad the Obama administration is keeping their word and getting our country out of the war business....Way to go Obama!!!

    October 12, 2010 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
  31. LarryKegel(US Army)

    I just wonder where the UN is when You need them??? They are good for nothing!!! The US and the other Free Country should drop out and kick them out of the States...

    October 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      That's what I say,Larry. It would be great if the UN forces could send in it's troops and stop this obscene war,but that's just wishful thinking on my part. The needless carnage goes on and on and on!!!

      October 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
  32. LarryKegel(US Army)

    Yakabi: Do You really beleve the mumble jumble You talk??? Because if you do You are on Stupid Person!!! I wish You would start talking like a normal Person does...

    October 12, 2010 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse |
  33. bailoutsos

    How are the Taliban any different than Europeans that killed the natives and took over what is now the USA?

    October 12, 2010 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      The Taliban lose in this movie.

      October 12, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • bailoutsos

        In your dreams. They will go on long after NATO/America has left.

        October 12, 2010 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Right, once NATO leaves I hear they are going to loosen the lease on Isreal....

        October 13, 2010 at 3:00 am | Report abuse |
  34. Murtaza

    Talking to the Taliban is a great idea. It can only help, not hurt. History shows integration of radical elements into the political process helps moderate their views.

    October 12, 2010 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      You have the right idea,Murtaza. Just ignore all these right-wing idiots.

      October 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • JesusChrist

      You are the least intelligent and most obnoxious person on this blog.

      October 17, 2010 at 6:10 pm | Report abuse |
  35. The Prophet Mohammed

    Yeah, I know I'm missing a word- just making it easier for the worm to understand.

    October 12, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  36. neflight

    good post Dan Lafa ...

    October 12, 2010 at 10:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      I never posted that stupid right-wing comment above so don't thank me,thank the jerk who posted it! We need to get these talks under way and find a peaceful way out of there where we have no business in the first place!!!

      October 12, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        Dan, I think it's either Daniel-2 or Stinky Sri Lanka, posting on you. (and I'm not positve Stinky is smart enough).

        Actually NATO does belong in Afghanistan, the Afghans (and I'm not kidding) INVITED them, it's true. Back in 85 Reagan met with the Taliban during the Soviet Afghan war and actually commented something to the effect that "the Tailban were like our founding fathers in moral character". The US supported the Taliban and Mujhadeen (they were intermixed) in defeating the Soviets with CIA training and Stinger missles to shoot down the helicopters. After the Taliban returned to the mountains and the Mujhadeen took charge. The Mujhadeen quickly reverted back to tribal warfar and split up the armies and the country fighting each other. Under thier control the poeple suffered greatly even having thier daughters kidnapped and used as s3x slaves by the Mujhadeen. Eventually the people asked the Taliban for help, by this time the Mujhadeen had destroyed everything (the cities, the Tanks, planes, Helicopters and much of the culture). The Mujhadeen were afraid of the Taliban and slinked away leaving the Taliban in charge. Most of the Taliban were decent for the most part but very strict and crime went from rampant to almost nothing under thier tight (and Brutal) control. The Taliban would occaisionally do public executions as a show of power and of course power corrupts so they got progressively worse. Since they had closed all the schools (an easy way to keep the people ignorant and thue easy to control) the people realized they had no future and would continue to live in the 7th century under Talibn control, that is why they asked for help.
        Mujhadeen are basically folk heroes in Afghanistan and are now being granted special positions or promotions withing the Afghan Army. Will history repeat itself? Time will tell.

        October 12, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
  37. sam

    This guy pretends that he has the authority on the subject of Afghanistan War. Mr. Zakarya, you hatred is quite apparent for Pakistan. After all, you are an Indian!!! You love to bring Pakistan from right or left. Don't you know forget that it is Pakistan who is helping to fight and scarifying her soldiers and NATO and American forces are getting supplies through Pakistan.

    October 12, 2010 at 3:06 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      I wouldn't say Pakistan is "Helping", they are doing the bare minimum to get paid and stealing supplies from NATO as it passes through, that's a fact- and I KNOW.

      October 12, 2010 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
  38. Dan in Lafayette, IN

    So you are saying that our armed forces are lying and the propagandists are actually telling the truth when they say that we are only killing civilians huh? The drones and attack helicopters kill more Taliban and their terrorist allies in a week than they do in a couple of months if you don't count the innocent people they kill with their suicide bombers!

    October 11, 2010 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette, IN

      Your kind of 360 degrees truth throws acid an girls faces for going to school and forces young girls to marry older men and kill young men and boys that do not want to be a part of your murderous truth of 360 degrees! You terrorize the population by publicly executing men and women for even the smallest of crimes to keep hold of power and control over the people! God surely will punish you and all your 360degrees truth of killers most severely!

      October 11, 2010 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      NATO is NOT fighting Terrorist- you can't fight cowards who hide in holes.

      October 12, 2010 at 9:46 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      Dan, Very Nice!

      October 12, 2010 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Lafayette,IN

      Hey Phunnie boy,do you believe all that right-wing nonsense that you keep blogging under my name?

      October 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
  39. jos lohan

    Sweet Dan, Hope you are not naive enough to believe the drivell that comes from our media. We have not killed nowhere near whats being reported. First of all If we are killing so many where are the dead Taliban bodies?? and why is their movement now ever so stronger to take on areas in the north and to the west (where taliban don't ethnically reside) ?? We have heard from the media about how taliban were wiped out, then reports of all commanders killed and fled afghan region, then came pockets of resistence, to serious adversaries, to dead lock and now having lost the upper hand and finding a position of strength to negotiate from. All within 3 years. I don't think you r not naive enough to believe that.

    I personally think that stategy being pursued now by our commanders should have been tried in 2002 then we would have made a permanent difference. Theatre of war is only good when we control the events and clearly here we do not.

    October 11, 2010 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
  40. John

    Tony D. Dont waste your time replying to this whackjob he posts that krap all the time it's meaningless mindless drivel.

    October 11, 2010 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      The only meaningless,mindless drivel I see are from those who do not want any kind of settlement but to continue this senseless war for their own ends. These right-wing idiots never think about anybody but themselves!!! I say let's get negotiations under way!!!

      October 11, 2010 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      Jhon you are correct .some one repeats same thing

      October 12, 2010 at 4:56 am | Report abuse |
  41. dindy Sri lanka

    Taliban is not only in the Afghan and Pakistan border. They are among Afghan people too. Also they are citizens there. it is not easy for a foreign army to fight there or take control their activities.Therefore It is better if they agree to have talk with the government HONESTLY and work together to build their country .

    October 11, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Dan in Lafayette,IN

    Like Daniel has already said,we need to get the peace negotiations off the ground and put an end to this needless carnage and have the United States,Great Britain and France drop their hidden agenda over there.

    October 11, 2010 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Kerry

      Maybe we can get the alien in area 51 to head the negotiations eh? Jeez.

      October 11, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Well stated,Dan. Thank you.

      October 11, 2010 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
  43. les

    I wish he were right. However, why should the Taliban agree to just be a member of a society, when it can be in control? Remember what Kissinger recently said about Viet Nam. the US simply did not recognize the tanacity of the enemy to just keep going.

    The Taliban are pusing a realistic strategy to gain control.. So perhaps we have to look at whether that is an acceptable scenario. Maybe it is. We can always bomb and missile them if they get out of hand Just like Clinton handled Sadam

    The real problem is Pakistan and itrs nukes.

    October 11, 2010 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • SAM

      Really? Pakistan's nukes which are secured by half a million Army is a problem? if it was really such a big problem than may be we shouldn't have helped India become a nuclear armed country by providing it super computers few decades back that also forced Pakistan to run the arms race wtih its rival.

      October 11, 2010 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
      • patel

        Sam , your lack of GENERAL KNOWLEDGE and history is appalling , it is and was Pak that got help, India DEVELOPED MOST OF ITS CAPABILITIES ON ITS OWN.

        October 11, 2010 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • jos lohan

        I agree with sam. I mean theatre of war just keeps shifting without any progress. 9/11, Osama, Al-qaeda, Mullah Omar, Hikmetyar, Haqqani and now pakistan nukes. or so they have you believe. Which side is our US gov. on?? seemigly supporting proliferation but handing over nuclear deal to India. It is just diabolic of Obama admin as is the fake rhetoric of finding democracy. No other nation bought that and US public is finally seeing the truth, as can be seen by low rating of handling of war. Tactical wars pushed out Bush on lowest ratings and they will push Obama out of the White house too.

        October 11, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ SAM- Do you like Green Eggs and Ham? Just wondering.

        October 14, 2010 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Because in reality they know it will never happen!!! They are trying to make it so They can get the best deal They can... They know Their time is almost up...

      October 12, 2010 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Pastel: You sure are giving them a lot more credit than They deserve... If They are so smart why are They so poor???

      October 12, 2010 at 5:39 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Dan in Lafayette, IN

    Bullcrap, if NATO and Pakistani forces went full force into the mountainous area in Waziristan, Pakistan and killed all the Taliban and other terrorist networks there they would be forced to accept any and all surrender agreements! All it would take is to show them the power we have and that their god allah will not redeem them from all their atrocities that they have done!

    October 11, 2010 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Daniel-2

      What we need to do Dan is to get both the Karzai regime and the Taliban talking to one another and maybe we can put an end to this insane carnage and get the NATO forces out of there once and for all!!!

      October 11, 2010 at 11:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        Once foreign forces leave there will be civil war and no doubt about it the terrorists and the Taliban will once again have their way with the people of Afghanistan and be planning attacks against the western world!

        October 11, 2010 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • an

      to Dan from Lafayette, IN
      (Bullcrap, if NATO and Pakistani forces went full force into the mountainous area in Waziristan, Pakistan and killed all the Taliban and other terrorist networks there they would be forced to accept any and all surrender agreements! All it would take is to show them the power we have and that their god allah will not redeem them from all their atrocities that they have done)
      The Insurgents will simply melt away or go somewhere else, like they have many many many times before, your thought process is for that of a conventional war, this is not a convention war. Best option will be to get the hell out of Afghanistan, sooner or later, the Taliban will take over again, we should negotiate with them and save american lives and save the economy.

      October 11, 2010 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patel

        President Karzai himself said the best option would be to mine the borders. Maybe that is a better option.

        October 11, 2010 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        And let them grow into bigger and more equipped terrorist networks within Afghanistan that Iran has shown would be more than happy to help them defeat the western democracies! If we do not defeat them now they will be much harder to defeat in the future! Their goal is global Islamic sharia law and there are many scattered across most every nation and if we do not stop it where it began many will be embolden to attack all the nations where they have been waiting for the right moment and if they again take Afghanistan they will think they can get away with anything! The whole world must fight against these extremist Islamic radicals!

        October 11, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        I'm not in favor of land mines, they are dangerous for many yeras, just carpet bomb or nuke and get it over with.

        October 13, 2010 at 2:52 am | Report abuse |
    • jos lohan

      Dan, Waziristan is just one of many areas where taliban are strong so even if itis obliterated from the face of the earth, other areas are still not controlled by US forces. Taliban control 92% of the country, which does not mean that they rule but conditions are there for no one else to do anything either. Ten years and counting. This war, as other US wars, is badly planned, poorly managed and executed. May be we should stop kidding ourselves as Karzai and his henchmen (warlords) are not capable of bringing change in that society. Period.

      October 11, 2010 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan in Lafayette, IN

        So you say we only control 8% of the country? Right! And that's why we are killing so many of them compared to the few a week if they happen to get lucky that we hit an IED or once in a while get hit by small arms fire.

        October 11, 2010 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ jos lohan
        You are a shiite bag, get your facts straight, Taliban control a little over 8% not the other way around and they control that 8% from hiding in caves and rat holes.

        October 12, 2010 at 12:56 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      Do You know more than the ones their??? We are training the Afghanistan Military and Police to take care of themselves!!! The CIA is helping Pakistan on Their side... With both Efforts the Tarriest don't have a chance!!!

      October 12, 2010 at 5:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Hey you Phunnie boy,if you're going to usurp my name in order to blog your right-wing nonsense in here,at least learn how to spell correctly. The word is "terrorist" not "tarriest"!!!

        October 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        "Phunnie Boy" Where have I heard that before? Looks like we found our worthless Paki name thief. Thieves and Liars, Pakis are thieves and Liars.

        October 13, 2010 at 2:56 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Larrykegal.... the enemy is anyone who is in bondage with a evil spirit.we kill the flesh and the spirit leave the body (flee away) Then enter into another of their kind or someone else in another country. It is like anaconda (if I spell the word correctly) We can defeat them from bringing them to salvation . How from praying in spirit. I know it will be difficult to understand. we fought here in Sri lanka for 30 years . But when every body did pray for the peace of the country ..somehow the war ended. All the support came against the people who were in bondage with the devil. Prayers must be increased. (please read2thimothy 1:7) and Isiah 44:26. Tell them loud and believe. If we do not defeat them in prayers we all will become killers at the end. Pray for the soldiers so then can come home safely rather than among the people who are in bondage with Devil.

        October 13, 2010 at 7:16 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      You think they would have run out of Virgins by now!!! Where are They finding all of them??? Babies and Sheep don't count do They???

      October 12, 2010 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      I think they find them everywhere, even Pakistan has Geeks. Only the real good ones get the sheep.

      October 13, 2010 at 3:04 am | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      Dan they say allah but it is the same god.(one god in different names) the problem is they have misunderstood the teaching of God!!! so they kill like nothing . Also torture if anyone does not agree with them. Many people do not hear what God say in his spirit. JESUS communicate with god every day in spiritual worship and praise .How many people do that today? If they did ..honestly I am sure ..troops could have safely returned home and war would have ended.

      October 13, 2010 at 6:43 am | Report abuse |
  45. Arsio

    I agree with him, Pakistan and even Afghanistan itself has no choice but to negotiate. You can't beat them Pakistan knows it thats why it controlled it until taking U.S side which is costing Pakistanis heavily. We all know(except Americans) that this war will collpase U.S, its innevitable. I would listen to Fareed.

    October 11, 2010 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Tony D

      The Islamic extremists have no concept of democracy. Democracy is not part of the Islamic religion Mullahs are the ones who make laws and enforce them so we are wasting our time and american lives trying to civilize a country that will never be civilized.

      October 11, 2010 at 11:20 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        "No concept of Democracy" That's why they are called Islamic and not American.

        October 13, 2010 at 2:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Jester

        well there are countries who do not have democracy yet people are happy

        just because West has democracy, doesnt mean it should be everywhere, West thinks that it has the right to define Right and Wrong, there is no real difference between West and Extremists

        October 13, 2010 at 5:52 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ Jester- Obviously, you haven't visited very many other countries.

        October 13, 2010 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
  46. jd

    100% Right on Chris Calley.

    October 11, 2010 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      @ Patel- You speak true, maybe you you be the Prophet.

      October 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      I rather live my life the Jewish are Buddha way than the Christian, Muslin are Hindu!!!

      October 12, 2010 at 5:10 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Chris Calley

    I would like to alter his statemant just a little. I wonder if her would feel this way if he wasn't a Nazi oop's I mean Muslim.

    "Much as we don't want to believe it, the Nazi's are a part of German society. It represents some section of the conservative German community. These people are not foreigners who will go away one day. Finding a way to integrate them into the political system is a good idea."

    We know how that one turned out.

    October 11, 2010 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
  48. john mcgarry

    please listen to Fareed Zakaria.He is more attuned to this part of the world than anyone

    October 11, 2010 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • ktirmazi

      Fareed Zakria is so called expert on Afghan war. He never lived there. Fact is that Afghaneese have been fighting for ages. They never accepted outside ruler. Long history of invaders who came to rule to Afghanistan and defeated after long wars. Even Ghengese Khan could not control them. Finally his relatives accepted Islam and married with Afghani girls to be accepted by Afghans. 60 % of Afghanis are Pashtunes and 40 % are of other nationalities. Pashtunes lives on both side of the Pakistan and Afghan border. Most of this so called border is non existent. Valleys between mountain are so called border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. They practice Islam but they have incorporated the tribal traditions and other customs into it, making a unique brand of Islam. If you try to preach them. They will kill you. Life and death is nothing for them.
      Only Pakistani Army know them better than any other nation. Because they have close links with them and they have trained them against Russians. However even they can not control them.
      Best option for Americans is to leave them at their own and get out from their. Everyday lot of people losing their lives for nothing

      October 11, 2010 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
      • Kerry

        ktirmazi. If what you are saying was true (eg Life and death is nothing for them) why do they protest when 'civilians' are killed. surely that is the will of allah. Also i haven't heard of anyone preaching to them.

        October 11, 2010 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • pbsd2010

        Well stated ktirmazi. A war based on American ideology is fruitless, and a complete waste of lives, resources and finances. It would be best for Americans to let these people settle their differences in their own style. Once America leaves, they will resume with their age old strategies.

        October 11, 2010 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Prophet Mohammed

      He's not more attuned than me- but he is correct; the Taliban are part of the Pashtun (and Kharzi is\was part of the Taliban) and Afghaanistan will eventually reconcile with the Taliban. If they are smart they will wait to ensure they do it from a position of absolute power or the country will simply revert back to the way is was in a few years.

      October 12, 2010 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Are you really a Prophet ? But your words are not from God. you have said terrible hings about me. How come a Prophet speak in flesh but not in spirit ??

        October 14, 2010 at 1:10 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Prophet...now you know I am not stinky and not stupid .Thanks

        October 14, 2010 at 1:44 am | Report abuse |
    • LarryKegel(US Army)

      If Our leaders thought the way You People think... We would not be a free Country today... Thank GOD Our Leaders and Military are running This Country and not Idiots like You!!!

      October 12, 2010 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Larry kegal...I do not underestimate the Army... But do not thank god for leaders. If they had wisdom from God they could have protected their land before this terrible attack took place which is hard to forget even at this moment.you may wonder why I bother so much. For security reasons I cant introduce me. I have been in your country many times. After 9/11 also terrorists were collecting money inside the country. Leader must protect his citizens. To do that ..he must establish better security system. More intelligence from people . CIA cant cover up the whole country. USA is too big. Larry ..sometimes leaders screw up everything. I am tired of seeing innocent die for their wrong ruling and poor decisions. It would have been better for both Sri lanka and America if these massive attacks have been prevented before they happened. I am writing this to you today after facing five massive attacks here in Sri lanka within last five years. Larry... leaders also fall sleep sometimes when they are supposed to take right actions.Hope these brave men in the battle field is guided by the spirit of God and finally they can reunite with their families !!! Amen!!

        October 13, 2010 at 6:30 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ dindy Sri lanka- That is the most sensible thing I have seen you write. God willing, it will happen.

        October 13, 2010 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Virginian

    Whatever gets our troops out of there and back home. Our men and women in uniform are our most precious national treasure. They are too valuable to be squandered fighting wars that cannot be "won" in any conventional sense, or trying to build nations out of societies that are barely civilized.

    October 11, 2010 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Tony D

      Doesent matter what kind of aggreement we come to in afganistan once US forces leave that country it will be took over by the taliban and things will go back to what they were before we came there ..meaning that this war is a useless waste of lives and resources let the afgans have it we have no business there we will not change anything their religion has always been the way and it will always be that way no matter who comes a calling. The US has not learned anything from history we always repeat oursleves to no availe.

      October 11, 2010 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
      • B Lonetree

        Well said and right on the mark.

        October 11, 2010 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
      • LarryKegel(US Army)

        Not if We train the Military and Police right it will never happen!!!

        October 12, 2010 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        Tony....troops went to attack al -queda and they used the land of Afghanistan and now there is a Afghan army too. Also there was an election and Kazai is trying to get Taliban to talk and come to a common ground which will be good for their country with the help of US also. Rome did not build in one day as you also know.

        October 13, 2010 at 6:05 am | Report abuse |
      • dindy Sri lanka

        not only Kazai..."s attempt can solve the problem but the Pakistan government too has a responsibility over al-queda. They have a huge army. yet many of these al queda are doing their attacks time to time. Hope if they can get free from these evil spirits which tell them to kill other people .

        October 13, 2010 at 6:10 am | Report abuse |
      • Willie12345

        You're absolutely right, unfortunately. Shades of Viet Nam all over again.

        October 13, 2010 at 10:03 am | Report abuse |
      • 9876543219

        Don`t say that we want to pretend like we won this war ... Kissing Taliban butt sounds like a more correct term ..

        October 16, 2010 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Martin

        Yep. This is a vietnam scenario. Reminds me of the old saturday night live skith where John Belushi was playing Henry Kissinger and an interviewer asked him what the high point of his career was and he answered, "In 1973 when we signed the peace treaty with the North Vietnamese to end the Vietnam war". Then the interviewer asked, "What was the low point of your career", and he answered, "In 1975 when the Vietnam war ended"

        October 17, 2010 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Driver Diver

      I totally agree. The country is barley civilized, and the rule of law is barbaric on the verge of even being sickiening i.e. treatment of woman. All were doing is wasting lives and money. Close the country off, as in refuse all travel to the U.S. of anyone from there or Pakistan. Just keep them out, keep the craziness outside.

      October 11, 2010 at 11:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • neflight

        It is a good idea.

        October 12, 2010 at 10:02 am | Report abuse |
      • The Prophet Mohammed

        @ Driver Diver
        Sure if we could build giant walls all over the middle east and troubled parts on the world to keep them all locked in we would. Since we can't do that we have no choice but to help Afghanistan to learnt to stand on thier own and help them to secure thier borders, enforce peace and safety and develope industries to become self sufficient. I just hope it doesn't take to long to get from here to there.

        October 13, 2010 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • bailoutsos

      CNN: Home and Away: Share your memories of troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq @@@@ Shiit, bring them home and people would not have to "share memories."

      October 13, 2010 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Marty

      I agree, society there is not civilized, in a sense would take generations to come. But that is an opportunity too. It did not take anything to convince Afgans or at least their government that keeping US troops is in their interest. The culprit of the entire mess is I believe pakistan. Their military is supporting some of the most powerful groups in Taliban. The day they turn their back on them, trust me afgan issue is resolved. Taliban of it's own has no courage, money, people and logistics to fight with anyone, let alone be US solders.

      October 15, 2010 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |