CNN's Fareed Zakaria tells CNN's "Parker Spitzer" whenever the U.S. leaves Afghanistan, it is going to look "messy."
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Zakaria: Leaving Afghanistan will be 'messy'............ HE'S 100% CORRECT........ SO LETS GET MESSY AND SAVE OUR KIDS AND MONEY AND GET OUT NOW..... OR AM I JUST BEING SILLY?
Well folks, the facts please, the facts.
It is really Hypocrite not some of the other versions we have seen here tonight.
"Leaving Afghanistan will be messy".
The defeat in Afghanistan will be very shameful for USA.
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hey guys! An Afghna will share his comment too, witch is. Taliban's were from some other countries an educated afghan will never want his country to be distroyed. Taliban (Pakis) destroyed our country, historic places, every single afghan has the right to know who taliban were. They were trying to rule over Afghanistan destroy what ever they can and steel what ever they can. Don't blame Jehad or Muslims for this. Why!!!! did they destryed the Bamyan Bodah and robbed the Kbul museum. Talib means Seeker and talibul-elam means seeker of knowlege but i would say taliban/Alqeeda/Pakis were the Talibul-Kursi means seeker of Power. All afghans need is education the only problem is the lack of knwolege. Thanks.
There are only 2 news sources AP and Reuters and they were both bought up by the same Elitist Banking
Family, if you dont believe me google it, this is why youll never hear about anything even close to real news from the Mainstream Media like the fact that Al Qaeda is a myth
CNN, FOX all of them promote only the Globalist Agenda
On our way out of Afghanistan lets leave a little "Parting Gift"
A couple of dozen mk80 Nukes on Kabul and Kandahar
Muslims only understand force-Nuke em till they glow-Then Shoot them in the dark!
Al Qaeda is a CIA front organization, it means "the Database" in Arabic
as in CIA database, 911 was an inside job, innocent cilvilans are being killed in a war to secure resources for the
Globalist agenda, just read Zbigniew Brzezinski's book the Grand Chessboard, its all being played out before our eyes
if you doubt what Im saying please do your own independent research
Hey, CNN wants you to share your memories of those you loved that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, soon Iran. Maybe it is time to bring all our sons and daughters home?
Inshallah we will succeed against Terrorist Group like Black water , CIA , and Mosad those who are posting their comments about NATO's planning against pakistanis they are living in foolish paradise.
America's enemy has changed, so methods of dealing with them have to change.
For those of you who think we lost against the talaban. Count the dead on both sides. If the talaban get back into power, we will bomb them back into the stone age again, and this time we will not help to rebuild. and the US did NOT start this. It was started by muslims wageing war on us in the name of Islam.
Anybody else think that Fareed Zakaria looks like a chupicabra?
it seems like Fareed Zakariya is the only one in Denial. Dude, stop smoking... We lost in Afghanistan and it is time to get out.. Taliban won. period..
The root of all terror is pakistan and Saudi arabia ( money )- till the world decides to take the 2 countries on thier 2 faced policy of supporting terror and acting like they are with the coalition , nothing will change
remember who brought 9 /11 to the US shores – Saudi terrorists with Saudi money , trained and enacting a Pakistani plan ..its blatantly clear who is responsible – not the sadaams of the world or even Iran .. its Pakistan and Saudi ...
U think that the war will end with the US withdrawl – u are sadly mistaken , the war will just start – a group of AK47 weilding terrorists would have bought both US and Soviet union to the ground – they will expand the war to take on US interests elsewhere – Pakistan will go under , Iran radicals will get a boost and moderates like us in the muslim world will be pushed to the fringes
US policy has always been short term and has got into a mess without having the will or the strategy to push through what has been initiated, leading to repcussions beyong the thinking of the initiators who have sat in the white house post reagan ....
Make a change in your policy and the world will change ! if you do more of what u have done till now .. u will get more of what u have always got .. the hatred of the muslim world..
the root of all terror is the CIA
google 911 False Flag Operation
please this idiot knows nothing
we need to take gloves off and treat it like ww2
go through an area wipe it clean
if they run to pakistan warn pakistan once then go after them and destroy any who get in our way
enough of this fighting a moral war crap war is never moral you just get it done then go home
so are you saying without US supervision and guidance Afghanistan will regress into the same barbaric Islamic territory it was a decade ago?
Why don't you Americans send TERMINATOR or RAMBO or SPIDY or SUPERMAN?
Hey you know what, make a team of your SUPERHEROES and send them all together.... ha ha ha ... shame on you...
You know what you guys will do.... Some holywood creepy director will pick a theme "Afghan Exit"..... and present it in a heroic way.... thats what you guys have been doing in the past...
Who cares? Let them defend themselves . Karzai makes me want to vomit. He is dealing with the Taliban while we are losing lives over nothing over there. Let the sand diggers fend for themselves. Who needs them! Bring the troops home and put them on the borders and lock them up and protect our homeland for a change .
And let another vacuum occur where an Islamist movement can set up training camps and coordinate terrorist attacks from those camps?
Study your Afghanistan history, and you will see that war has plagued Afghanistan for over 40 years. Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan has very little of a civil society left
When our "Leaders" and I mean ALL Countries get around to an exit plan it will not be pretty, but we still own the sky. Afghanistan is needed to make a much larger army, financed with their minerals wealth. Revelation states that 200 million men will come to invade Israel from the north and east. Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, UAE, Saudi Arabia etc.. will all come to avenge the only thing to surely provoke to all Muslims, destruction of the Golden Mosque and rebuilding of the Hebrew Temple. Revelation has described a scenario right enough (potentially) for even atheists to acknowledge God on this point; the odds of something written thousands of years ago to be so accurate and even probable coming true. Think about it after Dec 20 2012 when we are all still here as the tribulation has not started yet. So don't waste time running to Colorado to sit with the Queen. I did not say a great and terrible cataclysm will not appear, but Trust Jesus and it will go well in the land with you. You Muslims, sorry but you are deceived by the Devil. Muhammed stated that the Jews got it all wrong by their own God, thats why Allah spoke. A demon surely. What buffoon would believe that a God wouldn't be able to get it right, with His own people. Even when many of the Jews are not following the fulfillment of their own Torah. Jesus is still here, now, and forever.
Fundamentalist Christians see an Arab invasion of Israel as the sign of the end times.
But I don't know if that's going to happen. Those countries don't want Israel to go away. Why?
For them Israel is a way to channel anger that would not be reflected back at them. They want people to be angry at Israel, not at their own governments. Get rid of Israel, and now there's one less excuse.
There is no viable end goal for this war. Afghanistan and Pakistan are useless backwards places. Just leave them to their own destiny and let them continue their own self destruction. Those brainwashed islamiic nutcase terrorists can be dealt with by the CIA and the FBI. We cannot afford to prop up all these failed states around the world.
Yep time to get out... and run with tale between legs.... HAHAHA
"Yep time to get out... and run with tale between legs.... HAHAHA"
Poor Muslim, no can spell – madrassah no offer "Beginners English for Jihadists" course ? – It is "tail" not "tale".
Instead of 'shaikhing' the sheikhs for their money, why don't you go and learn some English. You moron!!!!
Let me see if i get this...we win a war (which noone ever does)...we spend my money to say I'm sorry, which you don't pay back. We build your industry so we can buy your inferior products so we can spend more money trying to correct the problem. Sorry...I understand now...color me stupid.
Entry is always clean, exit is always messy. Makes no difference...it's time to get out.
I am not interested in your nocturnal and personal habits.
Yoohoo nutbrain. As a Vietnam vet & historian I was speaking about the misfortunes of war & the consequences of same. I'm ashamed that I even bother to reply.
I am surprised that you did.
Yep time to get out...
We can win like we won in Vietnam, declare victory and RUN LIKE HELL!
Ask a Vietnamese today if we made a good choice. Many died AFTER the fall of Saigon, but the press had moved on by then...
Yep time to get out and run like hell....
@john ... you are acting like a racist . Can you proove it otherwise?
i had mentioned that way before that we can never win this war against Taliban who had bee in war with soviet union for more than fifteen years.
It's not Racism, it's called Profiling, and they fit the profile.
You (only just) beat me to it!
The Soviets lost becuase the US supported the Mujahdeen with Stinger missles and CIA training, that's the only reason they lost. Do you hear that popping sound? That's you head popping out of your butt. Still don't hear it? Keep trying.
To pull out from Afghanistan and Pakistan is the best solution for us. Why wasting billions of dollars that only goes to the pockets of their leaders. They want us to help them to fight Taliban while they are in bed with them. They are so corrupt, their main goal is to keep their people poor and uneducated.
Yep time to get out...boys
The reason the USA is in the middle east is because we are being used to complete the agenda of all these large corporations who fund the politicians in our government which in turn gives all the corporations the power. Our goal in the middle east is to keep our troops there as long as possible because war makes money for these large corporations (military defense companies, national security agencies, central banks, oil companies which INCLUDES SAUDI/IRAQI/IRANIAN OIL SHEIKS, etc.). For those Americans who actually think their troops are there to bring "Freedom" & democracy & all that other bull****, open your eyes a little, stop listening to the media. And to all those Middle Eastern people who think all Americans & westerners are evil, don't be so quick to judge. A lot of Americans don't want to be in this war as much as you don't want them there. The government (big corporations) control the media as well. They simply use propaganda to turn both sides against each other by spreading hate & fear using lies about each other. If you would like to open your eyes a little bit, go to "www.zeitgeistthemovie.com", and you will see why we are all slaves.
What is your plan to enslave me?
looks like someone else did their homework
The root of all terror is Pakistan. I suggest the rest of the world should join forces to whack all the moles in Pakistan at once. Get rid off the cancer harbored by Pakistan once and for all. The state of Pakistan foments the agenda of being "victimized" and its largely uneducated population believes and lives under this perception. They think the rest of the world is the enemy when in fact they are breeding their own (and the world's) enemies. Everyone in the world knows that the Mumbai attacks were the work of ISI, but Pakistanis refuse to believe that. They think it is a consporacy of RAW, CIA etc to defame Pakistan. Muslim minorities are being killed mercilessly in Pakistan (examples Lahore, Karachi bombings of minority shrines). But of course Pakistanis think that is also the conspiracy of other countries. Their national cricket players were caught on camera for bribing. But of course that is the conspiracy of RAW to defame Pakistan. Monsoons caused recent floods in Pakistan. But the average Pakistani is made to believe that the Indians released flood waters into Pakistan. An advise to the average Pakistani citizen, go get some education.
Another indian dog barking.....HaHaHa
Too many indian dogs here... HAHAHA
Pakistan was quick to ban a facebook page for drawing cartoons of Muhmad. But it allows thousands of websites preaching hate & inciting voilence against Kafirs , Shias, Ahmadhis etc. This is a country which has reduced its Hindu/Sikh/Christian population from 30% in 1947 to 3% today. NowThe sunnis want to kill other islamic sects bcoz they have different prophets. The govt of Pakistan tolerates all this hatred on TV, internet etc as this is their state policy. Pakistan killed millions of Bengalis in 1971 bcoz the Bengalis won the election and the Paki Punjabis did not want to let go of the power. All terrorists in the world are either Pakistani or trained in Pakistan
so much filth coming out of your mouth, you must be an indian..that too a bigoted racist hindu indian..yeah, that sums it up
I love Facebook.
Google Haq Char Yaar, This is a website to “expose Shias and Qadianis” is another example of websites that incite hate against different religious sects in Pakistan. Even viewing the website requires one to accept faith in the finality of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last prophet. Two options are given to users, ‘accept’ or ‘decline’, those who decline are labelled “munkir” or non-believers. Clicking on “Decline” leads users to a page with two poems, one that’s first line says, “Shias have no links to Islam”
You must be indian dog....
Indian, Paki, It's all the same to me.
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the problem.........unless we take them to task things will continue to be a mess in Afghanistan.......Pakistan (illigitimate) should be part of a greater 'Pashtunistan'......they want Afghanistan weak and in Chaos in order to 'secure' their N and W boarders.........Saudi Arabia wants Afghanistan to provide leverage against Shia Iran........
The USA lost this war as the Russians did. The country was a mess when the US moved in uninvited , is still a mess today and will be a mess when the US military leaves. Bush was so naive to believe he could convert countries like Iraq and Afghanistan into something similar to Texas by military force.
The American dream ( or nightmare?) is not wanted in most parts of the world, so pack up and go. Do your thing within your own borders. If there is evidence in the future, that elements in Afghanistan are actively pursuing terrorist plots against the people of the USA or one of their allies, there is nothing some very big aerial bombs can't solve without risking the lives of our soldiers for a totally worthless goal.
This all could have ended if we didn't leave the Army to take care of Afghanistan, now the Marines have to go in and finish the job like it should have been done 9 years ago.
Not understanding that comment at all. We are know as the Armed Forces and ignorant comments like that at a time of war are not needed. My brotther is a Marine and that was actually my first choice but I am proud to have served in the Army and in Iraq. Let's not desicrate the memory of our fallen with silly comments like that. Do you think that has any bearing at Arlington National Cemetary who lays next to whom? Think before you speak, my friend.
Well said. As a Marine myself, i have espirit de corps, but to say the Army is incompetent (your opinion, and many Marines) on a forum like this is kinda unnecessary. S/F
You know what the flap on the front of a sailors pants are for?
It's a napkin for a Marine.
Yep Marines will do , what they have always done (Vietnam)...Run
Pakistan is 3rd world at best
"Members of Pakistan's spy agency are pressing Taliban field commanders to fight the U.S. and its allies in Afghanistan, some U.S. officials and Afghan militants say, a development that undercuts a key element of the Pentagon's strategy for ending the war. The Taliban commander in Kunar said "the ISI wants us to kill everyone—policemen, soldiers, engineers, teachers, civilians—just to intimidate people.
Taliban commanders and U.S. officials say militant leaders are being pressured by officers from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency not to surrender. "The ISI wants to arrest commanders who are not obeying [ISI] orders," U.S. officials say they have heard similar reports from captured militants and those negotiating to lay down their arms. "
So is U.S is two Face , no no Three Face no no unlimited U.S faces
Somebody forgot to take thier medication this morning.
The problem with this war is that we should be fighting pakistan instead of Afghanistan. As many of pointed out, the biginning of this war was a success. We drove the Taliban out quickly with the help of the Afghan people, who didnt want them around. There was a period of relative peace. Then Pakistan decided that if it wasnt allowed to completely control the government of Afghanistan they were going to destroy it. They train Taliban fighters and their intelligence agency helps them fight Afghan and coalition forces. Why are we giving Pakistan tax payers money to kill our troops and destroy our plan??? Why cant we do anything about it???
An exterminator will tell you to close all outlets and other exits before he steams to kills all of them bed bugs Mr. New Yorker. You close all exsits, its s fundamental military strategy. I don’t know who advised you on random bombing that scattered all Taliban. Pak had been next door to Afg since its existence and had been peaceful until you morons came. So stop your asinine blame game and admit your mistakes.
We've admitted the mistake of not following al Qaeda into Pakistan. His (valid) point is that we should, since the Pakis don't seem to want to control the terrorists that are thriving inside their borders.
You Make no sense. If you're blaming Afghanistan for the problem you dont have a valid point. America wants to get rid of Al-Queda and the Taliban. The Afghan government has giving US forces the right to go anywhere and hunt them down. The problem is their hidout is in Pakistan. The Pakistani government arent doing anything to capture them, instead they train and arm these terrorists.
So my point is why are ameircan tax payer's money going to support these terrorist pakistani dogs?
If our enemy is hiding in pakistan we should go in there and fight them.
We cant come out of this war with out beating the extremist because they will be sent back to afganistan by pakistan.
Do we want another 9/11? Or are we going to wait for the all these extremists in pakistan to cease power and nuke somebody??
Pakistan is the university for all the terrorists. Theyre not our friend lets get that straight.
Ok, lets find another scapegoat
Bush ... HaHaHa
The unbelievable amount of hatred in your speech betrays your degeneration. YOU are the true roots of Taliban, with murderous hatred towards anything not islamic. It is because of you that the world will not be at peace until the likes of you are completely exterminated.
Yeah Pakistan is best in what it does.
pimping terrorists one side. begging globally for finance to get the terrorist under control.Use it again for terrorist
if questioned or pressurised, kill its own civilian and jump between democrasy rule and millitary power.Shame....
Morons Like you (Bush and company) Drag U.S in two wars, and if Morons like you bring U.S into third war (with Pakistan). That would be certain collapse of U.S "Super Power". Just Like What happened to U.S.S.R. Amazing people forget history so soon.It Just happend like Yesterday........HAHAHA
Moron, Forgot Bangladesh???? Which country got BROKEN up????
USA will leave only when India wants USA to leave and right now our objectives of encricling Pakistan havent been met Thereofre, India will not allow USA to leave.
India? not allowing us to leave? if we leave can we get our customer assistance back? i like it when they speak fluent english.
That wasnt me. Someone else posted this so that you guys post comments against India. Only a fool can say this. India has nothing to do with US being in Afghanistan other than supporting against terrorists.
You mean China and Pakistan Encircle India and Beat Crap out of it........HaHaHa
What we (the US) need is a united Afghanistan. I think in the end they will unite against the US. But, this may be good. It will allow us a clean exit. It will allow them to become a nation, as much as they can be.
In the future, the Afghan women will find a way to freedom through a Woman’s suffrage movement.
Less than 400 CIA, Special Forces and Navy Seals, working with a coalition of war lords (and with the aid of US air power) ran the Taliban out of Afghanistan in a few months begininning in late 2001. That was our goal and it was accomplished quickly and relatively cheaply. Our mistake was staying with the goal of dragging Afghanistan from the 17th century into the 21st century and ultimately leaving behind a stable developed country. That was an unrealistic bill of goods sold ito the American public by the Bush Administration and the Pentagon and the lords in the defense industry in the name of patriotism. Since then we've accomplished nothing, not even holding the territory we initially seized from Taliban control despite sacrificing more than a thousand soldiers lives and spending billions. Why not leave now? We can always go back if the country becomes a haven for Islamic terrorists again. Hey, nobody invited us the first time.
Oh, sure. Your solution is to surrender to our enemies sworn to destroy us, wait for the inevitable next 9/11-style attack, and simply go back. Yeah, right. You think any democrat president would ever deploy troops and "go back" to Afghanistan? That's silly.
A better idea: since we have the troops in country already, why not use them to hunt down al Qaeda where they're hiding (Pakistan)?
Don't step inside pakistan. All Nato Forces will be wiped out from Afghanistan.
@ shaikh (I think it's how you say BS in Paki)
NATO will clean up Pakistan, they are just waiting to get enough toilet paper to get all the Pakis out.
Why you Blame on ISI buddy what about Mosad ,Raw and CIA and one more thing never underestimate Pakistanis if you punch any pakisatni this does not mean that you win ! hey yours sympathizers americans still struglling in afghanistan hahahaha
@MDJ – While our special forces of all types did a fantastic job, our other big mistake was not following the Powell doctrine of overwhelming force. The previous administration made other mistakes, but the one thing I can never forgive them for was having bin Laden cornered in Tora Bora and then letting him stroll out. Even our finest, most specialized troops need backup from additional boots on the ground. We should have gone in big, gotten the job done, and left. Hopefully, the current and future administration will follow this playbook (instead of the well-meaning but ultimately more destructive, not to mention arrogant, idea of "nation-building").
ISI will train the Taliban on one hand and the other hand will ask for money from USA. ISI is a terrorist training organization. This reasoning has been proved by their involvement in the Mumbai bombing. They have trained terrorists and tried to fight a proxy war in Kashmir over the last 60 years. Pakistan knows that it cannot win a frontal war with India.
No, it won't. just pack up and get out. End of story.
Well put,Haegla. Thank you.
Who asked you to comment you sycophantic creep.
Obviously, I didn't write that above. It was written by some pig who wants the Taliban to win.
Yep time to get out .......
It looked "messy" back in 1988 When Makhail Gorbachev decided to remove Russian forces from Afghanistan but he stuck with his decision. If we get a negotiated settlement between Karzai and the Taliban,we should consider doing the same thing.
We are so Hippocrates that we are talking to Afghan Taliban for Peace in Afghanistan, but we don't want Pakistan to talk to Afghan Taliban. Nothing will happen once we leave. Afghanistan will still be their. Not worth spending our blood and the treasure that we don't have. We are fighting these WARS on china credit card. BRING TROOPS HOME.
Truth is the first causality of WAR. We have lost the WAR. After 10 years Taliban now controls 80% of Afghanistan.
Why do you use the word 'we' your English is so astonishingly bad it's obvious you are a pakistani.
Get your facts straight:
The Taliban don't control Shiite! They are hiding under rocks like those cowards in Iran and Pakistan.
Afghanistan asked America to help them get rid of the Taliban. Women were not even allowed to go to the market without thier husbands or eldest son. Women were frequently executed in Public. 500 people were killed in Kabul over tribal fighting one week before America invaded. Music was banned (all forms) under the Taliban, Schools were closed (except for Taliban controlled Mosques) Only 11% of the population could read. Afghanistan asked America for help so they COULD HAVE A FUTURE.
Do you know who Hippocrates was? Learn to speak and write English or just post in Arabic or Farsi or Spanish. The word is 'hippocrate' not 'Hippocrates'.
You are terrible at "sharing facts" "Taliban controls 80% of Afghanistan"?? not just English u suck at math too!
John with all due respect, your English is not any better than Sharefacts. Don’t use “so and astonishingly” together. Astonishingly alone would have been perfectly fine.
@Irish...if you're going to correct someone's language, you might want to try to learn to spell first. It's "hypocrite".
It's "hypocrite", folks... as in being "hypocritical" about a command of English.
The ISI s thought processes are currently evolving along two lines – 1) those elements that are obsessed with wrestling Kashmir from India are eager to allow the US a relatively safe exit from Afghanistan, so that post withdrawal, extremism can be ratcheted up again in Indian Kashmir. 2) those elements who are more Islamic minded, want to give the US a bloody nose as she exits the region and take credit for having "defeated" a second super power. Attention then turns back to India.
For the Pakistani military, loss of US Aid is a cause of major worry – as China is not considered to be as generous as the US. So the US still has a LOT of levers that can be pulled to ensure an exit.
Either way, the situation is speculated to get very grim. As in the past Pakistan may consider the post US withdrawal situation on the ground to be "God sent and a never again opportunity" (as far as India is concerned) and do something foolhardy with unthinkable consequences.
Refreshing analysis of this situation. You can tell which folks have a legitimate voice in the discussion within the first sentence or two. Notice folks there wasn't a single "Women in Afghanistan" or "My God!!! The Troops!!!" in his/her entire post. I like that and I'll take what you said into my evaluation of this war.
ISI is genius men...Better then CIA.
South East Asia your analysis is YOUR version not a reality on the ground. What happened was when Soviets left, and so the American proxy ended in late 1980’s. There was a power vacuum in Afghanistan followed by a bloody civil war. Pakistanis never wanted to go into Afghanistan, as it was a dirt poor country (and still is) but had to stop the civil war as it was spilling in bordering countries.
You are putting Kashmir issue with Afghanistan conflict which is naive. Kashmir is a territorial conflict just like Palestine/Israel, China/ Tibet etc, all of them are 60 years old or so. There are no religious endeavors in those conflicts.
As far Pakistan Army is concerned for seeing US aid stopping if the US pulls out, wars does cost money and will continue till the last day. It already has drained trillions out of US economic circle.
Guess what happened after the Russians left?
The Afghan factions abandoned the peace agreement and fought each other, leading to a power vacuum that lead to the Taliban coming in.
Truely agree with your assessment!
lol. its hypocrite, to both of you.
Do you know who Hippocrates was? Learn to speak and write English or just post in Arabic or Farsi or Spanish. The word is 'hippocrate' not 'Hippocrates'
The word is hypocrite.
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