WASHINGTON - Twelve U.S. soldiers face a variety of charges in what military authorities believe was a conspiracy to murder Afghan civilians and cover it up, along with charges they used hashish, mutilated corpses and kept grisly souvenirs.
Five soldiers face murder charges, while seven others are charged with participating in a coverup. All of the men were members of a 2nd Infantry Division brigade operating near Kandahar in southern Afghanistan in 2009 and 2010.
According to the military documents, Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs and four other soldiers were involved in throwing grenades at civilians and then shooting them in separate incidents. Three Afghan men died.
Authorities allege Gibbs kept finger bones, leg bones and a tooth from Afghan corpses. Another soldier, Spc. Michael Gagnon II, allegedly kept a skull from a corpse, according to charging documents. Several soldiers are charged with taking pictures of the corpses, and one - Spc. Corey Moore - with stabbing a corpse.
Staff Sgt. Robert Stevens is charged with lying to investigators about the deaths, saying the civilians posed a threat.
Other soldiers are charged with assaulting Afghan civilians by shooting at them, and several soldiers face charges of failing to properly account for and dispose of weapons.
Eight of the soldiers also are charged with using hashish and beating a junior soldier in an attempt to stop him from reporting them for misconduct, including hashish use.
Gibbs is also charged with telling another soldier to lie about the incidents including the platoon's involvement in illegal drug use. He is alleged to have told Spc. Adam Winfield, "I'm going to send you home by dropping a tow bar on you," if Winfield revealed information to investigators.
Winfield is also charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder in this case.
Five soldiers were originally arrested in June and seven others were charged last month. The documents released by the Army this week are the most detailed disclosure of what the men are alleged to have done.
The five facing murder charges are Gibbs, of Billings, Montana; Pfc. Andrew Holmes of Boise, Idaho; Winfield, of Cape Coral, Florida; Spc. Michael Wagnon, of Las Vegas, Nevada; and Spc. Jeremy Morlock of Wasilla, Alaska. The five are from the 5th Stryker Brigade.
Holmes is accused of killing Afghan civilian Gul Mudin in January with a grenade and rifle. Winfield is accused of killing civilian Mullah Adahdad in May in a similar manner, and Wagnon is accused of shooting to death Marach Agha in February. Morlock and Gibbs each were charged with three counts of murder and one count of assault involving the same victims as in the cases against Holmes, Wagnon and Winfield.
Stevens and Pfc. Ashton Moore are charged with conspiracy to commit aggravated assault with a dangerous weapon, and Sgt. Darren Jones is charged with conspiracy to commit assault and battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated assault with a dangerous weapon.
Cpl. Emmitt R. Quintal, Staff Sgt. David Bram, Spc. Adam Kelly and Spc. Corey Moore are charged with conspiracy to commit assault and battery.
Stevens is charged with wrongfully and wantonly engaging in conduct likely to cause death or bodily harm to other soldiers, and Jones, Quintal, Bram, Kelley and Corey Moore are charged with unlawfully striking another
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It's cool that you can write whatever you want on here and no one cares civilians. it was wrong what they did hooah. The people over there are all 'civilians' until they pick up an rpg hooah. Were not at WAR with a uniform military force hooah. So its not really a WAR CRIME. But it was still wrong hooah. I'll go back to work Monday so you can keep writing ignorant comments hooah. Stay motivated civies!
Very helpfull, thank You!
In the words of our WMD-less war president jorge bush after Abu Ghraib: "just a few bad apples". Maybe he listened to that Osmond song too much. Perhaps jorge would care to comment on the fact that he sent almost 200,000 'bushels' of apples to two wars?....
You american soldiers should be ashamed of yourselves!!!!! Wasn't the purpose of invading Afghanistan and Iraq to get rid of the so called oppression of the Taliban and the tyranny of sadam. But now you have become the oppressers and the very people you should be protecting, your murdering for fun? Raping their women and abusing their children. You dont bring freedom you bring disaster. Your the puppets of bushes administration, how could you go and fight for a couple of grand a month? when more then likely your come home in body bags and your wives and children have to bury you? It's not brave it's stupid and a war your never win. You thinking your saving America? Many of you are without men, American is in recession due to all the Money spent on the war. Do you think bush or Obama loses sleep over you. Dying for you country is a cheap way to die and gives your life and death no meaning. How arrogant are you to invade counties like Vietnam and destroy them with nuclear weapons, yet you invade Iraq for weapons never found nor used. Your hypocrites The only county thats used these weapons are you. Your governments invaded afganistan and Iraq for it's oil and narcotics. You think Iraq and afhganistan are going to welcome you with open arms and throw roses at you. You idiots you invade countries and call the people who defend themselves as terrorists you are the terrorists!!! Go back home
We must and should take care of our own, if found gulity punished to the furthest extent of military law and let the chips fall where they may!!!! no more figure pointing, these guys made their own choice to do what they did, it is called accountibilty and responsibilty! enough said!!!
Funny, you never see the story on CNN: Taliban kill civilians and mutilated corpses. By the way CNN mutilated has only one "i".
This is the result of an illegal war declared by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to enrich conservative political contributors, i.e. military government contractors (Halliburton, ...), the oil and gas industry, pharma. industry, ... who in turn contribute billions to elect conservatives to public office. These young soldiers are recruited as teenagers using free iPhones. These teenagers are fed propaganda, trained to kill, and given numerous prescription drugs that do neurological damage. Many suffer from PTDS or brain damage. And, many are bullied by other soldiers to the point that they become unstable and commit suicide.
Who cares let's all remember 9/11
The war crimes began with former President George W. Bush and former Vice-President Dick Cheney. Let the criminal investigation for war crimes begin at that level, as well.
And we are worried about DADT! Unit cohesion!
Perhaps if we had better reasons for going to war, better people would show up to fight it.
Perhaps if honesty was used to justify the war, honest people would support it.
The money, people, training, support and motivation for 9-11all came from Saudi Arabia. And we attack who? Using what evidence? And oil money had nothing to do with it.
Great people are serving, some of the best because that is what they do. Some others, who got kicked out of the house because they are rejects are soldiers because we are so hard up to find anyone to fight a war against people we have been screwing for 60 years.
Hay, in Vietnam, there were US GI's that would cut off and keep the penises of Vietcong they killed.
War isn't suppose to be nice, civilized, and gentlemanly.
This is sickening. The thought that our soldiers would do such things. The very idea of mutilating a corpse...sickening.
A post made earlier by "db" employed the phrase "poor leadership" which is almost certainly a factor here. Too often, one's superiors remain aloof, and make it very clear that they are not to be bothered. Such behavior tends to be overlooked by *their* superiors, while in fact it should not. A little micro-management can be a good thing, and in this case, it might have made all the difference.
This is one of the problems with multiple deploys and in the Army's case, over a year in country over and over again. This is heinous and now besides the dead in Afghanistan 12 more families are now affected. And US Military view in world eyes!
POST SO NICE I HAD TO BUMP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE here&now Soldier
First of let me say this is a tragic story who knows what would posses soldiers to take body parts as trophies (if true). Second to some of you ppl crying about them killing civilians you ppl need to get your heads out of ur.... speaking as a current active duty soldier who at this time has completed 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan i can say the enemy is for the most part civilians we are not fighting against another army we are fighting terrorist they dont have a uniform, formations or follow Nato or Geneva rules. So can i ask you to tell me the difference when your life is at stake. AFTER the court martial if they are found guilty of all charges i say shame on them and they deserve punishment. But does the article doesnt give the specifics ive had rocks thrown at me that look 100% like grenades until they land at ur feet, ive seen what the Army calls non-combatants its the precious civilians walkin around armed with assualt rifles and we are told not to fire until fired upon. Anyone whos been in theater has heard stories of when yell-show-shoot fails you. Im just sayin stay red white and blue until the verdicts come back and even then use your own experiences, its one thing for the general public to take the enemies side not having any idea how combat goes but when retired and current soldiers do it that just makes me sick. I guess Ptsd is only a remembered when you guys are crying to get out of theater or its time to file for VA benefits.
To Wzrd1: you’re right on target...these soldiers failed to follow the very orders, standards and policies that separate us from them. The armed forces are a professional organization and not a bunch of fly by night thugs! The UCMJ holds each service member to a much higher standard than most civilian organizations. I also recently retired after giving 26 years of service to my country. Having served 4 combat tours I can justifiably say no matter how bad situations may become, we have higher standards then our enemies and they must be enforced. I was on the bridge where they hung and burned American contractors in Iraq and I saw the carnage. Did I want to retaliate? Hell yes! But did we? No! We didn’t decide to go out on some killing spree and find innocent non-combatants because of those standards and every soldier understood that.
These soldiers and their chain of command failed at every level!
HOW THE HECK DID THE FIRST SERGEANT FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THE MENTAL ISSUES FROM HIS JUNIOR ENLISTED? ANYBODY, AND I MEAN ANYBODY THAT MAKES THE RANK OF FIRST SERGEANT SHOULD ALWAYS KNOW WHO THE HECK HIS SOLDIERS ARE AND SQUARE THEM AWAY BEFORE PROBLEM ARISES. I AM VERY SORRY TO SAY THAT THEIR FIRST SERGEANT SET THESE 12 MEN UP FOR FAILURE AND BLINDLY BELIEVED EVERYTHING THE E-6'S SAY. FORGET ABOUT THE CAPTAIN, HE IS USUALLY TOO BUSY SLEEPING IN POWERPOINT BRIEFINGS.
Obama should have ended the war. He gave more troops. Naked Eyes is performing at his next speech.
What these soldiers have committed is indeed War Crimes. This is not ok, funny, or in any way acceptable. We hold ourselves to a higher standard not barbaric acts. This will not bode well for our troops that are deployed. Our troops are better than this!
Well, "Queen", since the civilians are not the enemy on target, these killings are not war crimes. They are murders outside of the "war". If you have dangerous weapons, and your "enemy" is carrying groceries, unarmed- posing no threat to you and you kill them...it is murder. Being a soldier during a war is not a badge with a green light to kill whoever you want. This is an example of bad people who joined the military...the Army did not make them this way. They deserve what they get. I see your point, but girl, they dismembered bodies, and stripped a skull. That is not a art of war, and I sure as hell dont want soldiers capable of that coming home free, and living next door to me...
These soldiers give all of us military personnel a bad name. I'm a combat arms soldier and having seen a lot of death and destruction, what these soldiers have done puts a horrible, rotten taste in my mouth.
This is ridiculous. In WWII we shot prisoners and civilian all the time. Same in Vietnam, but its 2010 and people are just too soft to know whats for their own good. In Vietnam soldiers carried ears on their dogtags. Why are we making a big fuss? Im not here to argue just stating an opinion..
This is the kind of behavior that helps the Taliban recruit more troops to fight our good soldiers. Some recruits are not fit to be soldiers. Professional soldiers don't just go out and kill civilians. The army needs to do a better job when they recruit. Right now they are just grabbing anyone willing to go. What's with the army?
"War is Hell" as stated by one General Sherman, shortly after burning the city of Atlanta to the ground. a general for the Union, in war against the Confederacy. this has bee happening since the dawn of time. USMC 69-70 72-75
Why is this not on the front page of CNN.COM or on television. Why is this not a big story when it should be?
and what a punishment do these degenerates get for this disgustig, murder of I degree and war crime. It should be death penalty.
A child born with one eye
OUR CHILDREN WOULD BE BORN THIS WAY FOR EVER THANKS TO THE URANIUM MUNITIONS USED BY YOUR ARMED FORCES PAID FOR BY YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
OH A FEW MINOR DETAILS ABOUT SITUATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN:
Due to the use of massive amount of uranium munitions used by the US forces in the initial bombing and subsequently, massive amount of congenital deformities occur all over Afghanistan. The rate of various cancers has gone up significantly. Leukemia and esophageal cancers are very high among children. According to doctors at maternity and children hospitals in Kabul, the rate of various congenital deformities have increased by many folds since the US invasion. In fact, the magnitude of man made isotopes was established by the Uranium Medical Research Center after their investigators made to trips to Afghanistan and collected urine and soil samples. They established that the rate of man made isotopes was gone up 2000 times in some subjects located near the bombed areas.
Since uranium used in the weapons have a half-life of 4.5 billion years, the US forces ensured that generations of Afghans suffer from cancers and deformities. This is certainly not development. In fact, it is the biggest crime ever committed by anyone in the history of humanity.
War has the psychology of buying a Lotto ticket, everyone thinks they are going to win; when you are sent to war you think you are not going to lose (be killed, it will be someone else) Just the opposite of purchasing a Lotto ticket……….. Millions have believed this lie and have drawn the short straw………. They are no longer with us………….. As they are known as “The War Dead”…………….. million and millions of them…………..
I get a kick out of you armchair soldiers; one week on a rifle line and you would be begging to get off of it…….. Or maybe you would shoot yourself in the foot or hand like I saw others do to get off the line………. Talk is cheap, wait till you face the muzzle of an enemy rifle then talk ……………………. America will lose the war in Afghanistan you don’t have to be a Tarot card reader to foretell that…………….
I had a stepfather who served in WWII in the south pacific, he would sit for hours starring off into infinity for hours on end……… he had been driven mad by war……. If you don’t think that war can’t get to you, you are completely wrong! The truth is no one can stand it day after day after day……….. War has broken more men than it ever made……… You fools think that the enemy does not have expert marksmen? Go and see for yourself……………….
I served in Vietnam in 1969 and it was full of murders both civilian and military……. The troops turn on each other in War and start murdering each other…….. I estimate 10% of all battlefield deaths are murder’s by soldiers killing each other for imagined slights etc……………. I saw it with my own eyes…………….
The World biggest lie: American Freedom, you are free to sleep under any bridge you chose to………………..
The Holy Quran says, “Beware of the fire that burns stones and men.” And the Christian Bible says, “A murders conscious will drive them to hell, let it.” The Chinese say, “You take a life; you pay with your life.” Bring these murders to Justice……………. Hang them……………… for all to see…………..
During WWII in England the U.S. Army hanged over 40 American soldiers for crimes committed there. Where is the UCMJ now? These men should go to the gallows for what they have done…………. Murder is murder no matter where it takes place. What do you think the Muslim riflemen think when they read things like this? These actions will only stiffen resistance and drive America out of Afghanistan……… Maybe we are the enemy?
ITS WAR THE REAL INFIDALS WOULD DO THE SAME TO OUR SOLDIERS IF THE COULD HATS OFF TO OUR TROOPS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
This is what happens when you put guys who are between the ages of 19-25 in a crazy war....
War criminalises the social, economic, political and spiritual fabric of society on both sides of the conflict. Trophysim and scalp collecting is the norm for people traumatised by a level of violence for which their family life has not prepared them. The severe psychological dichotomy between experiencing life as a family member and destroying other families with whom they subconsciously identify requires compensatory behaviour that is both morbid and yet cherishing. The retention of bones is self preserving, murderers find solace in keeping.the body parts of those they murder as a way of over compensating for their guilt.
War makes monsters out of ordinary guys. And the war profiteers and weapons manufacturers are the ones who will stand before Jesus Christ at the end of time and wonder why they are numbered with the soldiers who spat and mocked the LORD of HEAVEN.
everyone is saying how bad this is, i agree, but im going to be the one that points out that u spelt mutilated wrong.... its still bad thoung...
The tours for Us soldiers in Afghanistan usually lasts for 14 months and then a short year break and then back for another 14 months.. my husband which is one of these soldiers who has made his time in Afghanistan came back demented and no value of life for anything.... I dont use this as an excuse but they need to serve shorter tours because just because they left Afghanistan doesn't mean the war stopped in their mind ... A mental screening should also be required after a certain amount of time served. Its ridiculous it really is they are making empty cores out of our sons, husbands, and dads.The army does nothing to help believe me I have tried, seems im the only one helping him
Your statements are true, once the Army is done with you, they throw you away like a used condom.............
Yiii! And they worry about gays in the military. Murderers and torturers and sicko wacko hash smokers are fine, though.
Line'em up and gun'em down, they're no better then the terrorist.
The liberal media made them do it.
CNN, Can you please tell me why my comments were not posted?
I am a scot and we were not bred out.
As a united nations worker this is appaling. The behaviour of these soldiers is a crime.They have broken international human rights laws and broken geneva conventions. They must be tried according to the law.
Saying that it MUST also be said that these soldiers are not the face of the US military. They are a minority. This whole world must work together to stop this lunacy before we destroy ourselves.
Do we really know the entire story here. Certainly there are aspects to this that are troubling. Anyone that served on the ground in Vietnam understands some of this, in the day time they were farmers, at night they wore black and killed Americans. Were this people of like behavior, just saying. Until the complete story is out it is best to withhold judgment.
Thank you for your service, anyone who has done so by volunteering. Only the 5/2 from JBLM was in Afghanistan. My son just returned from his second tour in Diyala, '07 and '09. The same age as these guys, I don't believe he would ever participate in these types of acts. Most of 5/2 was on their first deployment, so do not give them an easy out. They suffered heavily in the first months but these acts were still of choice. They should be held accountable under the UCMJ as the adults that they are now. God Bless America. Never Forget.
Prave jsem se pomocil a pokalel.
Give those brave soldiers medals for cleaning up the trash. Let's do them all. Let's do the whole f–king village.
I find it amusing how stupid some are that support what these i wont even call the soldiers did. No matter if they were civilians or Talibani soldiers with bombs strapped around there waist you dont start chopping of parts of there bodies and keeping it for souvenirs. Its in humane and just sick.
Most seem to think the people killed and mutilated are Taliban, they are not, they are innocent Afghan CIVILIANS not 'the enemy'. Man some people are stupid.
Off the topic, but, how can you misspell "Mutilated" in the headline! Get it together Time!
I am now scared of Americans.
This is how the USA works now. We have given the green light to treat people like this in war. By not going after our own criminals like Bush officials for torture we have opened the gate to this kind of behavior. The US now practices assassination with drones. We use depleted uranium ammunition in war. Its sad to say but the country I love has been turned into the military arm for big biz. Its all about the money and has nothing to do with liberation. We need massive strikes and rallies to end this evil in our mist.
And in our midst, too!
well know one can speak on it till there over there fighting, you dont know what they go through mentally when are soldiers are over there, and im sure one point they where mentally normal like me and you that have never been to war before, im not saying what they did is right because by all means its wrong and if i was the family memebers of the deceased i would not be happy, but its war, and thats what happends and its sad,
This is what you get when you have to hire known Felons to fight your "Wars"!!! It's like the Romans hiring Barbarians to protect Rome just before Rome fell!!! All the good Roman legions were off fighting on the borders!! That's all they had left!!! Sound familiar!!!
Poor and working people in this country, are send to kill poor and working people in another country, to make the rich richer; and without racism, soldiers would realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people, than they do with the billionaires who send us to war – A US Soldier
Were they collecting ears?
Whoever lives by the sword, dies by the sword. Matthew 26:52
Love your enemies and do GOOD to those who hate you. Matthew 5:44
For though we walk in the flesh, we DO NOT WAR according to the FLESH. 2 Cor 10:3
((WAR IS OF SATAN, ALL OF IT, INCLUDING "FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM"))
Well, I guess we know who the real Terrorist are now. And you guys think Al Qaida and the Taliban are the bad guys. Stop calling the Muslims terrorist. The US Army is full of Terrorist.
For all of you trying to justify the crimes committed by these demons, shows you to are capable of doing a such, and even beating up your own compatriot for cover up.
Good bless the one who denounce these crimes, so others soldier can learn from it. And don’t think that killing innocent civilian in others countries is like getting a free candy, and that you will get way with murder.
I hope justice is served and for those who commit crimes in other countries can rat in prison.
You just have to wonder how common this sort of thing is with a "theater commander" like Mattis who openly hates Muslims and jokes about how much fun it is to shoot and murder people. Foot soldiers act and behave from the examples set by superiors. What example does promoting a deranged sick man like Mattis set for the troops in Afghanistan?
In every war Americans excelled in abuse and cruelty – why because it's encouraged and most of the time simply swept under the carpet of their probaganda.
I blame Obama.
The behavior is inexcusable, but how about some compassion for those that serve instead of lamely pulling out the draft card. People in the military are not the warmongers by any stretch. They serve for economic, eductional and patriotic reasons. Do you think generals and CO's enjoy sending young men out to die and be maimed? They go where they are told and do the bidding of politicians who we have seen fit to elect. If a president has a grudge or a political agenda and he demands they go to Iraq and fight. They dutifully suit up and do as they're told, no questions. If a second president comes in and says that war, that killed/wounded so many of their own, is not the real war and sends them to Afghanistan to prove that he is not weak on defense, they again suit up and do as they're told. Ultimately, we as voters have only ourselves to blame for placing these men in harms way. At some point, you have to admit when a goal is unattainable. Peace, pacification, integration into the world community is not possible at this time for Aghans, Pakistanis, Iraqis and "insert any Muslim theocracy here" and we should stop pretending it is. Leave these countries to their own inherent dysfunctions. As the rest of the world progresses, they will be left behind in their own stench of hate and intolerance. It is only then, when the rest of the world has moved so far beyond them, that they will realize the weaknesses inherent in their ideologies of subjugation. Until that day, we isolate them, we contain them, we protect ourselves from them, but like a drug addict whose not ready to quit, we can't help them. It's time to bring the military home.
Without conscription you have the bottom of the barrel in uniform .
lets not mention the 3.5T dollars in mineral reserves found in Afghanistan.
Just another way for the military and government officials to place blame for missions gone wrong. It's quite strange that these charges came forth a few months ago, nearly right after the Unit departed OEF. In other OIF cases, it's taken months and years to Charge US Army / US Marine Service Members (odd, isn't it?). Many things happen, fog of war, but not to this extent. I was out at Ramrod with these men and working in vicinity to their location. It didn't happen, but the Enlisted man always seems to take the fall for the Brass.
Just another example of some of our brave troops. The military has it's share of thugs. Those convicted of murder should be given the death penalty and the rest not less than 30 years hard labor.
Could this be some of the reason why some in the Muslim world finds it very hard to like the US. The US lost its moral high ground a long time ago and it sadly believes it can bomb its way back.
Could it be that you (US and coalition Forces) have hundreds of thousands of soldiers occupying Muslim lands, some of which they consider holy. Could it be that you have a long tract history of interfering with the affairs of sovereign Muslim nations, propping up your own puppet governments? Could it be that you have unmanned drones crossing over into sovereign Pakistan without Pakistani or US congressional approval, resulting in the death of women and children you simply consider “collateral damage”. Could it be that you have soldiers raping young girls, then murdering entire families to cover it up? Could it be the torture of innocent people in secret Prison camps,or the public book burnings of the Quran
Could it be that you have soldiers tossing grenades at the feet of civilians for fun, killing them for sport, and collecting fingers for their entertainment.
well its clear,
AMERICAN SOLDIERS ARE MORE THAN A TERRORISTS,
and heavier punishments should have been given to them.
as terrorist are also only killing inocents, and are accountable for. and those who are acting to have joined a force for peace and justic do the same, should be punished a generations remebering one, so other shouldnt do the same while they are in a goodwell mission
It is very sad when these sort of things happen. But to attack the entire US Armed Forces because of it is not honest or fair. It is for the Courts to judge these men not us. We should pray for all those in Afghanistan, that their hearts will be softened so that peace can have a place in their lives permanently. How much of the worlds effort is wasted in destroying that which it takes so much to build. Every man woman and child on this planet could have a decent standard of living if we would stop the destruction. We are all responsible to some degree for the way things are in hte world, so stop pointing your finger at someone else, and take a look at the man in the mirror.
I wonder how long the Afghan people have to tolerate this murdurous army occupying their land .Sheer presence of them in Afgahnistan can justfy the whole terror attacks in the world. They are no less than Taliban or Al quida . Hamid Karzai have to save his world by denouncing this dark force
USArmy is really a group of bandits taking drugs and killing unmarmed citizens.What a country...
What do you expect? It is not like we send our educated and elite into combat. These military men are uneducated simpletons who are basically brainwashed into being killing machines. You have the same type of individuals who have yet to graduate from High School, collecting skulls, torturing animals and dressing in black listening to Ozzy Osbourne and the alike. They too, will join our military ranks and make us proud.. Semper Fi, kill the guy, take his eye.. Hooo Rah!Hooo Rah!Hooo Rah!
This was something I was terrified could happen to my Husband while in Iraq. These Soldiers should be ashamed and should be punished for the horrible acts they committed. There is no excuse for this.
This is sick but not new. Unfortunately, this probably happens often and unreported. Hopefully this doesn't vilify all US soldiers. How do you remain civil during war? I can't imagine it. I'm not justifying these soldiers actions but I do feel sorry they are put in this situation. These men need to have severe and just consequences but people need to remember that war can make people snap and turn into monsters. Good people become monsters under this kind of stress.
its time to give the name ""modern terrorist army" for the us army, they broke all world records in the 21st in killing civilians and torturing them.
By burning Qurans, banning Mosques, killing and mutilating Afghan Muslim Civilians, and other hate....you will get fear, loathing, hate, and violence in return? Do you understand that if the Muslims in the world 1.8-2.2 billion and growing...if they ever really wanted to harm you, they could and not only that, but they would win? Do you know how much 99.999% of Muslims worldwide are holding back to respond to these baby killers, quran burners, mosque banners, carpet bombers, cluster bombers, etc.? Have you ever seen the movie 'Kingdom of Heaven"? At least learn from history...
Not good for the USA.
Yes, punish these men after military trials. However, after those, investigate how this could happen. What makes previously law abiding people do this? I assume it is stress from being in combat as well as group psychology. Take one or two senior officers who have lost sight of right and wrong. Then, put them in a dominant role over a bunch of young impressionable guys who want to be members of the group, and you have a recipe for disaster. By the time they are sent overseas to fight, the individual has been taken out of the recruits. They learn to think as a group and do what the commanding officer wants. Right and wrong can become very blurred. The trials should be interesting.
I asked the question above under my reponse....How many tours have they done? after 8 years of war people start to crack and get a blood lust for killing. An article reported today that the guy who started the "Kill Team" began in Iraq. That's more than 2 tours. Same thing was happening in Veitnam after 2 tours, killing for the fun of it.
Don't make excuses for these sociopaths! Its unreal how scared we are to call a spade a spade. These actions are not routine over here by any means. These guys should go to jail for a long time. You still know right from wrong when fighting a war. And these events do not make the war illegitimate. These are bad actors using war as a cover for their criminal intents.
As an Afghan I want America along with all of Nato to cease all aggression against Afghans and get out. Didn't you learn that in Vietnam?
we happen to know about these mass murderers thanks to cnn, cbs and other brave reporters who are the true heros unmasking these killers. Imagine about the ones we don't know... I bet thousands of american soldiers are perpetrating these type of acts daily and we will never hear about it.
HOW ABOUT THEIR COMMANDING OFICERS???? THEY ARE TOTALY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SUBORDINATES ACTIONS. THE MILITARY AS USUAL COVERING FOR OFICERS INCOMPETENCE.
These men who have been accused of committing these terrible crimes are just a few men they in NO way represent the honourable men an women serving in Afghanstan under the US or for that matter NATO. There are thousands of men and women who are representing the US world wide and are doing a great job. We should concentrate our thoughts on them. I am a former Canadian military member and we had a group of bad soliders committ terrible crimes in Somalia not all our men and women were bad who served there just as not all the US and NATO troops are bad in Afghanstan. However that being said these men deserve their day in "court" allow the Military time to take them to court and see what punishment they will receive. Also my thanks goes out to all the Americans as well as all the NATO troops who are putting their lives on the line for my freedom and safety.
YOU HAVE WRITTEN IT WELL. TERRI
support the troops my a@$........I am sure this is a common occurance with our military..
The saddest aspect of this is seeing other Americans defending the murder of civilians as somehow ok because of the fog of war or 911. There is never ANY excuse for killing civilians, it is ALWAYS wrong and all it really does is make the population hate us even more.
PERSONALLY I SAY ALL'S FAIR IN WAR, THESE PEOPLE DID'NT MIND KILLING AMERICAN SOLDIERS AND ANY OTHER PERSON WHO GOT IN THEIR WAY INCLUDING BEHEADING FOLKS. SCREW BEING MORALLY RESPONSIBLE, NICE GUYS FINISH LAST...
u moron...are u saying that every afghan is the enemy? u're either too young/naive/ignorant or have learning difficulties to understand counter-insurgency and rules of engagement. go read a book and take your ritalin for the day.
The human mind was not meant to be in constant combat. The current volunteer army that gets ongoing tours of combat is producing casualties that are not being counted as the mentally ill among them increases over time. We need some kind of draft to make sure that all society contributes to the army.
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