My problem with this issue is the fact that 10 Doctors with all that education has 0 common sense. What were they thinking??? The word is going to spread about the American Doctors who are helping Afgans. They were targeted because they were American and helping the poor. I just can't believe that Doctors would take those kinds of risks in a combat zone without some kind of protection. They were definitely targeted because they were helping the people and the Taliban don't like that, they just kill the people because they are pathetic POS.
Me– You sure seems likes a smart falla. We's should listen to's you's.
Smallpox usually requires fairly prolonged face-to-face contact to spread. It's most often transmitted in air droplets when an infected person coughs, sneezes or talks. In rare instances, airborne virus may spread further, possibly through the ventilation system in a building, infecting people in other rooms or on other floors. Smallpox can also spread through contact with contaminated clothing and bedding, although the risk of infection from these sources is slight.
We are all guilty – deal with it.... god ain't got noth'en to do with it...
for as long as there are folks silly (or/and stupid?!) enough to venture into dangerous places wherein they know they're not welcome to begin with, there will be massacres like this...if the people these missionaries were helping really cared for them, they would have come to their rescue but they didn't...this only proves that afghans (and this is true of the pakistanis as well) will gladly take whatever assistance are extended to them, but will not make any attempt to assist those same people that are extending the assistance to them...moral of the story, get all foreigners out of there and let them sort out their own problems.
Good post and you are absolutely correct. These people are stupid anyway and really are not worth the trouble or effort. They are still in the 17th century because of their lack of intellect and their stupid obsession with Islam.
It is quite unfortunate to read some of the comments made, it is however an faith strengthening event, because what ever happens is basically what needs to happen irrespective. God will come to rid the earth of all wickedness no man can solve man's problems this like many of you are saying is history repeating itself. the king of the north fighting the king of the south!
Spell check people, use it. I realize most of your comments are either incorrect or illogical anyway, but at least spell the words correctly so we can more easily tell which is which.
Any number of possibilites; they were murdered because they were there, because they were preaching, because someone thought they had money, because they were an easy target, because it sent a message, etc...
we need to get out of afghanistan now. It isn't working, it won't work. To stay longer is folly and the american people sense this.
Just put the religion down and take ten steps back. We don't want anyone hurt.
Some good points here but also some wacky crap . . .
– First off – They have NEVER tolerated foreigners on their soil, regardless of intentions
– They have been at war with each other/someone else since history first started being recorded
– If you are on a medical humanitarian mission that is supported by a christian group, you are an infidel christian and you will suffer the consequences, regardless.Means nothing to them..don't matter if you are preaching/trying to convert, etc . . .
– I say leave them to their own fate but keep a close eye on them and when we have to, do something about it , no holds barred.Sitting there now there is no way that we can bomb a country "into the stone age" that is already in the stone age.That won't win this war.
It's a waste of time/lives/money – you name it . . .
Islam is the breeding ground of such hatred and violence, men with no IQ to think for themselves do the dirty work
I wouldn't intentionally throw caution to the wind and walk through a crime ridden, dangerous part of town without either having a gun on me or being in the company of a police escort. Afghanistan is a war zone, and by anyone's account a far more dangerous, hostile environment than "the projects". If civilian contractors in Iraq, yet another war zone, have to be accompanied by armed escorts in order to ensure their security and to be able to carry out their work, why didn't these aid workers? Some have argued, quite unconvincingly, that in order to win the confidence of the locals and effectively assimilate into the culture without attracting the attention of radicals, brandishing weaponry is ill-advised and that's why they chose to operate the way they did. Yeah, that seems to have worked real well. Seems like for all their idealistic fervor, these people, God rest their souls, were either lacking in basic common sense or they got their intel from an unreliable source...
Organized religion is the worst thing that ever happened to mankind in our history. People should just be good to one another and live life, instead we focus on this god and that god. Hmmm, I wander where he is? Praying to an empty sky will not solve our problems. We as people need to do it. Whether it is allah, or god, or whatever. Organized religion is a scam, always has been always will be.
I believe the Taliban did this in order to obliterate any 'good' contact with foreigners. Extremists, irrespective of religion/place, are most effective when they can present themselves as 'better' than their enemy. Many do this by control mechanisms, and some use the control of 'dispensing' safety/favors/education/health care. We (the west) may have allowed these civilians to work in a war zone because of the 'positive PR' it gives western culture. The Taliban may have killed them for the exact same reason: it's critical to Taliban success for westerners to be seen as bringers of destruction and danger, not health and (in this case) sight. The proselytizing issue is a canard.
A lot of people commenting here that a)believe that no matter what Christianity or US is at fault. 2) Cite past transgressions as an excuse 3) use the same logic as those who did the killing. Interesting thing is that they will claim to be antiwar, antiviolence and not denounce the killers. I have tried to rationalize this type of thinking, but always fail.
Have any of the families of these aid workers come out and acted as if this outcome was something that they had never thought about or feared? I see several posts acting as if these people had no clue as to where they were. They were indeed in a war zone, they were indeed helping Afghan citizens with the basics of life. I guess most people NEVER do anything for others because they fear what will happen to them. Question- Do you feed homeless? Answer- No way I would have to go to part of town know for crime? Do you visit the elderly?- No those people are are sick and I could catch something. Do you help contribute to World anything but a few posts on the internet? I think as most of you sit in your moms basement today maybe you can think about how to be a productive part of society and not waste your time trying to smeer the devoted lives of these workers.
Being a Christian had no barring on them being killed. How many American non-soliders have been tortured or killed (that we have heard of) that had no direct affiliation to a relgious group? (that we knew of) If the Taliban see a group of Americans in a car in a War Zone you think they'll stop them and go, "Oh your Atheist! Why didn't you say so! Please go ahead. Have a coupon for a free Egg McMuffin." A little common sense, please.
My question to the Muslim population would be that if Islam is the greatest religion anyone has ever known, then why are they so worried (to the point they have to kill people) that any Muslims would bother to convert anyway! I guess it just goes to show you that Muslim clerics obviously know how easy it is to convert (brainwash and a light rinse) illiterate people and they want exclusive rights to do so and we should not be using their tactics.
Unless you were there you have no way of knowing what happen or why. Unfortunately someone did not listen to there own security protocol or warnings and the unexpected happened. It is tragic but coud have possibly been avoided. IF you havene walked the walk how can you even make some of the comments posted here?
Your articles are for when it abosleutly, positively, needs to be understood overnight.
What I don't quite understand is why civilians are allowed to run around a war zone at will. This happened in Vietnam, too. You didn't see any civvies at the Battle of the Bulge or Iwo Jima.
Its been a war zone for 100s of years.
Well said, the average Afghan is a civilian not a terrorist and they are the ones who will suffer most from this.
You're an idiot, Lee!
The goons on that so-called "aid ship" were jihadists! Go to the video tape and thank your lucky stars that we have Isreal as a buffer from Islam. Once Isreal falls, the West will collapse like dominos...
NATO and the US forces will never resolve the situation, same as the Russians failed to pacify the situation. Did we learn nothing from Vietnam.?
I am very sympathetic and grieving for the slain aid workers. However Afghanistan is one of the most dangerous areas of the world. The Taliban are fanatic murders that kill women and children as a matter of policy. It should be of no surprise if foreign workers are murdered. Afghanistan no place for aid workers until NATO and US forces resolve the situation.
Most likely it was much like Israel's attack on the Gaza Aid ships, where they slaughtered 9 unarmed men in an illegal attack in international waters, and were supported by the US. What goes around comes around.
Lee: The Israeli commandos attacked ONLY after they were attacked mercilessly with clubs & knives. What were theyt supposed to do, just take it? They boarded that ship to inspect it for rockets being sent to Hamas in Gaza. Once again, what is Israel supposed to do, just let the weapons in to spill more Israeli blood? Never, ever again.
(Isa 57:1) The righteous one perishes, and no one lays it to heart; yea, merciful men are gathered, with no one discerning that the righteous is gathered from the face of evil.
(Isa 57:2) He shall enter peace; they shall rest on their couches, walking in his uprightness.
Would you, despite having the means and opportunity beforehand to safeguard your person and possessions and yet conscious of the dangers, enter into a war zone unarmed and without being in the company of an armed escort in order to carry out some idealistic humanitarian mission, knowing you would likely attract the attention of those who want to kill you? If you answered yes, then you belong to an exclusive segment of the population known as "mentally challenged", and should seek immediate psychiatric counseling.
These people were targeted because of their blatant disregard for exercising even the most basic tenets of rational thought; that is to say, don't enter a war zone where even US military personnel, heavily armed and combat ready, are losing their lives. Not one of then had on them so much as a handgun, which might not have saved them in the end but it would have pointed to at least some desire to survive in such a hostile environment. I have no sympathy for stupidity, and no matter how heroic people may desire to label their misguided idealism, being willingly unarmed in a war zone is not heroic nor courageous nor selfless, it is simply an act of sheer irrationality, without any necessity, and is almost always rewarded with disaster...
Cheetah you clearly watch too many gun-ho movies. Having lived and worked in Afghanistan for several years I can safely say that guns and armed protection is clearly NOT the way to operate when dealing with local communities. This deterence option should only be used by private companies and the army. Protection and assimilation are the best strategies. Having said that it does look like in this case some of the ground work was missing which would have showed that security was not good enough to operate and travel should have been suspended but then again we do not have all the intel. Aid workers with hand guns is one of the dummest response I've heard so far though!
Probably right behind dead aid workers without guns, right? I suspect one of these aid workeres had their own personal bible in their pocket and upon discovery it motivated these neanderthal Afghans to go on a killing spree. So much for religous tolerance, let's let them build a mosque in NYC, that will teach them!!!
Cheetah, ignorance is one thing but paying the right respoect is another. Those are the people who tried to make difference in other's life sacrificing theirs. You may not know the value of this sacrifice until you get to know the pure love given to you through the Cross.
@Jacques- Although I certainly appreciate your informed point of view, I still do not glean from it even the slightest bit of rational justification for unarmed civilians being in a WAR ZONE where even heavily armed, combat ready soldiers are being slaughtered. Talk about a death wish. Again, I don't care how selfless one's intentions may be, knowingly, willingly imperiling yourself in order to carry out some idealistic humanitarian aid mission deep in the heart of a place where your presence is guaranteed to attract the attention of those who care nothing about the importance of your mission and will likely KILL YOU without conscience, is misguided and overtly reckless without just cause...
@Joseph-You can't make a difference in anyone's life if your are DEAD. And especially in this case, martyrdom will not change the living conditions of the indigenous Afghans who befriended these aid workers. This region of the world has been unstable for centuries, and although sacrificing your time, your resources, modern conveniences, et cetera is commendable and honorable, sacrificing your life so that things can go right back to the way they were before you got there is absolute, unequivocal insanity. My condolences go out to the families they left behind, but I refuse to believe what they were doing was making any kind of a difference worth their lives...
How in the name of anything holy can health aid workers be guilty of anything but compassion, concern, and caring???Any "religiious" organization who seeks to punish others for doing what these peope did for others, taking nothing in return, should be ground into the dirt and wiped out of existence. There is no honor in taking these innocent lives. The Taliban has no honor, only sick, twisted ideologies that prey on the fears of the intimidated people they rule. They must be punished by their own who should rise up and destroy them.
No one is questioning their level of compassion, concern, and caring. Their sanity however, is another story. These people were not innocent, they were in fact guilty of willingly entering into a war zone unarmed, without being in the company of an armed escort, and knowing that their presence would attract the attention of the Taliban. You are right to say that there is no honor in taking innocent lives, but you are wrong if you think they didn't know that what they were doing would increase their risk of being killed exponentially, and without any necessity, as they had every opportunity to take the necessary precautions to safeguard their security before they ever stepped foot on Afghan soil.
if they were only doing their job nobody would hurt them but being doctors is only cover for their real job which is spreading christianity
I knew one of these aid workers personally. In response to your ignorant statement "being doctors is only cover for their real job which is spreading Christianity".....you could not be more WRONG!
1> they were in a war zone
2> they are flaunting their christian taliban ways
3> all non afghanistans are possible spies
really? why were the idiots hiking on the Iran border targeted?
YES THEY WERE MURDERED BECAUSE THEY WERE CHRISTIANS, THE FACT THAT THEY WERE HELPING SICK AND AILING POOR DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO THE TALIBANS, ONE MORE LESSON LEARNED.
During the Joe McCarthy anti-Commie days across America, those that carried the Communist Manifesto book were immediately subjected to arrest and imprisonment. Those that spewed Community views were locked up, some were tortured others were executed. Those that were 'imagined' to be involved with the Red commies were imprisoned, black-listed and harshly interrogated. What 'jobs' they held at that time mattered very little unless it were in the employment of the government whereupon those few were subjected to military court marshals and likely executed.
It is common sense and well known to NOT bring Bibles and Christian Tracts into a Islamic War zone. Spouting Christian verses is understood to directly challenge that Islamic country, followers and their beliefs. You seem naive MOM in regards to previous Christian history where missionary's went into country's thru-out South America, Caribbean Islands, Polynesian Islands, the Hawaiian Islands and even in Rwanda declaring 'we come in peace', and purposefully caused GENOCIDE on those same people. Murdering, enslaving and destroying their religion and culture in the process. For those people and country's Christian Missionary's spewing bible verses brought them death, enslavement and terrible misery.
Sadly for Christian missionary's these days, word get's out. What had previously worked for centurys doesn't get their foot in the door's now, go figure!
In December 1511, a Dominican preacher Father Fray Antonio de Montesinos preached a fiery sermon that implicated the colonists in the genocide of the native peoples. He is said to have preached, "Tell me by what right of justice do you hold these Indians in such a cruel and horrible servitude? On what authority have you waged such detestable wars against these people who dealt quietly and peacefully on their own lands? Wars in which you have destroyed such an infinite number of them by homicides and slaughters never heard of before. Why do you keep them so oppressed and exhausted, without giving them enough to eat or curing them of the sicknesses they incur from the excessive labor you give them, and they die, or rather you kill them, in order to extract and acquire gold every day."
Actually it was Western European secularists who "murdered and enslaved" the Americas. Christian orders like the Dominicans set up cities of refuge that protected hundreds of thousands of native South Americans from secular conquistadors, all along the Atlantic coast. That's one reason South America is so Catholic today, because the European Christians protected them from the European conquistadors only interested in gold and silver. Don't always blame Christianity for everything the thieving secularists of a nation do. Conquistadors killed for "Gold not God", Christians were concerned with human well being.
Christians are concerned with human well being? That's not what history shows. They are just like any other group of people, concerned about their OWN well being. You really think secularists are the ones to blame? Really? The further back you go into history, the more predominant religion is. Primarily because the more ingnorant the time, the more control religion has. You really believe there were enough secularists around to do the horrors of the world, while all the christians fought for freedom and harmony for ALL? LOL Your posts read like a propaganda leaflet.
Where have you been getting your history lessons, comic books?!
We missionaries look at a world awash in ignorance of the God of love, and we will tell of him. Some don't listen, so we will show them. Some doubt our motives, so we will die for them. In my first trip to Moracco 30 years ago there were 100 known Christians, no there are 10's of 1000's. We offer no money, no jobs, no renumeration to embrace the Lord who died for them, yet they still recieve Him. All the "history" you quote of the distorted views of some who did evil in the name of christianity and the God of Love we serve is just an excuse to avoid the message....He loves you, died for you, was raised in victory, and invites you with open arm to share that victory.
Wow Anselm... sorry to hit such a nerve with you. Why get so upset about historical fact? Check out Dominican Christian Bartolome de las Casas. As you say, you can look it up on the Internet in 5 minutes if you really care. He wrote "A short account of the destruction of the Indies". His account is largely responsible for the passage of the new Spanish colonial laws known as the New Laws of 1542, which abolished native slavery for the first time in European colonial history and led to the Valladolid debate. The account is one of the first attempts by a Spanish writer of the colonial era to depict the unfair treatment that the indigenous people endured during the early stages of the Spanish conquest. Come on... this guy and countless other Christians spent their lives fighting against secularists and for humane treatment for indigenous Americans.
Why? Probably because one of the village elders or leaders observed or heard the medical team citing bible versions and quoting the Christian bible, then called upon the Taliban to come and investigate the possible infraction. The Taliban came as requested, investigated, interrogated and judged the entire medical team minus their Islamic driver were guilty of trying to convert their Islamic patients to Christianity and executed them.
I agree, it was a kangaroo court with trumped up charges.
Why were they murdered? Pull your heads out of the sand. They were murdered because they were Christians. Also they were trying in a small way to pull the people out of the Middle Ages. Both are capital offenses to "good muslims".
Like the KKK, the Taliban are bred. The world will never see the end of either.
They were from a Christian organization in a Muslim country. If America was occupied by Muslim troops who installed a corrupt American to run our government, and then sent what we considered Muslim missionaries out into the backwaters of America, I bet somebody would be killing them, too.
You're right about that,The_Mick!
Dont be such a suck up.
And does that make it right?
No we wouldn't Mick. We would invite them in and give them all the rights they wanted and remove the rights from the American citizens. We would be told to be more tolerant and not to be judgmental.
no it makes no sense... Taliban killed Christian Taliban???? WHY did the US give small pox blankets to indians? DEFENSLESS indians? why did christian crusades use GUNS against arrows to christian talibanize south america, central america, north america etc etc etc.... we are ALL innocent of these crimes FOR REAL.....
Are you on medication? If not you should be.
nothing that you just said is correct
You're just like extremist Muslims... still fighting the Crusades. Come into the 21st century, pal.
BTW... the "Smallpox blankets to the Indians" myth has been refuted many times. The Smallpox pathogen dies quickly when exposed to air and does not live long enough on blankets to be intentionally spread that way. Human to human contact is required. You can't spread Smallpox by blanket anymore than you can sread AIDS by sitting on a toilet.
You're an idiot. There are smallpox strains that can survive for up to a year in a dry state. There is also mail correspondence approving the use of smallpox, Ft. Hood had smallpox just weeks prior to the indians infection. I found this out with about 5 minutes of internet research. It's people like you that keep the human race from progressing. Ignorant fool.
@ Anslem... respectfully, I got my information from Marshall C. Eakin, Professor of History at Vanderbuilt University and Executive Director Brazilian Studies Association. I think I'd take his scholarship over your "5 minutes of Internet research". I know there is a real desire to bash the U.S. right now, but there are enough legitimate issues without imagining others.
@ Kerry... 5 minute internet search yeilded 2 strains of small pox. One with less than 1% killed and the other 30-35% mortality rate. Donkey.
I want to correct you on your mis-reading of history. It was the British that gave smallpox blankets to natives, the US didn't even exist during the french-Indian war.... So go rant at merry old endland for that one. They did it because they couldn't catch them in any other way. Americans were plenty evil to us.... i cant imagine Muslims would be any better considering we weren't "people of the book" and they had smallpox as well.
That's ridicules! The Afghans overwhelmingly wanted the oppressive Taliban out, who are dominated by foreigners anyway who occupied Afghanistan!
Come on Harold,get serious!
I'm confused. What was being ridiculed?
Well considering the head doctor had been helping Afghan's in Afghanistan since 1979. I would imagine that during the Russian Invasion and following civil war they hailed him as a great person. Now it's okay to kill him and associates because they were the only westerners they could find and better yet they wouldn't fire back.
mr Mick, there are many muslim counies whoare not under any occupatn, yet the christian misionary are strictly prohibited, while te mislim misionary are welcome in any western countires. dont yo see the hypocracy in muslim religon???????
They were an organization of medical aid workers who happened to be Christians. They were not trying to convert those people, they were trying to improve their health and well being. Those were a brutal and needless murders of people who were trying to make a positive difference in the world.
You're making it hard to be biased.
I agree with you 100%. If someone is willing to kill and mutilate there own women and children, what do you think they are going to do when they catch an American in the country at this time? It was a terrible thing that happened, but I think better judgement was needed on the doctors part in this case.
The Taliban wanted a cheap victory after losses to coalition forces. They knew the doctors would be unarmed so they risked nothing. The claim of proseletyzing was just a convenient ruse. It's been done throughout the history of war and the perpetrators are aways held in contempt, even by their own people.
Carole,like I said before,if the Communists had won here 30 years ago,these people would still be alive and well.
Attention Russia. You forgot one come and get him.
Let me speak for myself,will you?
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