The U.S.-led war in Afghanistan is a "lost cause," said a former Pakistani intelligence chief, and the United States needs to negotiate peace with Taliban leader Mullah Omar. "You have to talk to him, and I'm sure it will work out very well," Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul told CNN's Fareed Zakaria in an interview to air Sunday.
U.S. intelligence documents published last week by WikiLeaks cited Gul and implicated Pakistani intelligence as supporting al Qaeda. Gul has denied the allegations. "I'm quite a convenient scapegoat," he said. "I don't support any one faction in Afghanistan. I support the Afghan nation."
The career military officer, who supported the U.S.-backed Taliban resistance against Soviet occupation during the 1980s, called the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan "unjust" and said he sees legitimacy in the Afghan insurgency against Western forces. "This is a national resistance movement. It should be recognized as such," he said. "They are Mujahedeen of Afghanistan as they were during the occupation of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union."
The attacks of September 11 were a pretext to a war already under consideration, Gul said. "I think some of the neocons, who were very close to President [George W.] Bush, they wanted that he could embark on a universal adventure of Pax Americana, and they thought that the world was lying prostrate in front of them," he said. The 2001 terrorist attacks helped win the public support for the neocon plans, he said.
There was no legitimate reason for the United States to attack Afghanistan, Gul said, because the FBI had no solid evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in the attacks on New York and Washington. "Why has not a single individual connected to 9/11 been caught in America so far, and why hasn't Osama bin Laden been charged?" With no evidence anyone in Afghanistan was involved, there is no way to legitimize the U.S. occupation, Gul said.
The hunt for al-Qaeda does not justify the almost 9-year-old war either, because the global terrorist movement has moved on, Gul said. "The American strategists, the military thinkers, have got to wake up to the reality that al-Qaeda has succeeded in exhausting, drawing out into the wrong direction, to the wrong place, all the allied forces," Gul said, citing Yemen, Somalia and Africa. "For al-Qaeda the center of gravity all along was the Middle East."
The United States and its allies won't win the war in Afghanistan, said Gul, who referred to U.S. NATO allies as "pallbearers." Supply lines through Pakistan are shaky, said Gul, who blamed U.S. ally India for contributing to his country's destabilization. Combined with what Gul termed poor U.S. intelligence and a home-field advantage for the Taliban, it all adds up to a losing combination for the United States in his estimate. "Time is on the side of the resistance," he said.
"In such a situation, to hope to win would be absolutely hare-brained," Gul said. He expressed concern the U.S. military would never be willing to admit defeat. "I would advise President Obama - please, do not listen to your military, because militaries have [the] unfortunate tendency never to accept their defeat. They will say if we receive more proceeds, if we receive more logistics, if we receive more funds, then we will be able to overcome. This is a psychological problem."
The only solution would be peace negotiations with Taliban leader Mullah Omar, not with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Gul concluded. "There is only one man who can give the guarantee that there will be no terrorism exported from Afghanistan," Gul said. "Don't talk to Karzai; he's a puppet."
Omar represents the entire insurgency, Gul said. "There are other factions of resistance fighters coming under the banner of Mullah Omar." Scale down goals, negotiate with Omar, then move on and out of Afghanistan, was Gul's advice to the United States.
I am a Pakistani and I am really tired of people like Hameed Gul and Zaid Hamid. These people are just doing war mongering against western countries and anything un-islamic. I dislike this animal so much that I have just started ignoring them. To all americans and non-americans here, please don't regard or respect the foul language of this creature. This man has just got insane like Taliban and we all should feel pity on him!
Keep showing it Evan, Bledsoe does not like it because its show the real Taliban. The Taliban is going down.
Exactly how many times do you plan to post this grizzly photo,Mark?Do you work for the C.I.A.(Criminals In Action) or are just another right-wing fanatic?Have you any notion at all about how ignorant people there are out there???
Hamid Gul should think about Pakistan first andforemost.
Pakistan is in state of disitegration. Read Micheal Hughes's article on "Balkanization of Pakistan"
As a matter of fact if Pakistan had been part of India and not formed then none of these problems whould not have happened.
If there is any country in the worlg that needs to be Balkanized,that is Iraq.First by giving the north to the Kurds,the south to the Shiites and the west to the Sunnis.That would go a very long way towards stemming the violence there.
Afganistan will be liberated and America is winning 10 pigs to 1 NATO, then we will set our sights on stinkin Pakistan, and we will kill all those dirty POS including that General Traitor GUL. I say we behead that Bast*****D in front of his stinkin family with a dull kitchen knife. I would personally volunteer my services to do the deed!!!! Now this is the real USMC Forever, not the WOMAN who stole my call sign talking smack about so right wing BS!!!
Here you go again with that filthy Tea Party lingo! Have you absolutely no self respect?And stop touting this obscene war,will you?!?!?!
Now that's telling him,Onesmallvoice!
Don't take my post sriously,folks.I was just joking about this war.You see,I am Phunnie boy!!!
Thanks a million,Phunnie boy for revealing yourself!You sure had a lot of people upset by hijacking their IDs,but this obscene war is no joke!!!!!
Hey dwight,the next time you want to tear down somebody's religion,just don't do it under my name!!!A joke's a joke but why use this obnoxious war to get a laugh out of life when so many people are tragically losing their lives?
Dwight,why did you give yourself away?I thought that you were on our side in our support for this war.Did you forget about our need to crush Islam and build our empire over there?I'm very disappointed in you!
The war in Afghanistan is not a lost and America should not begin peace talks with the Taliban. The Taliban are trying to buy time to regroup their forces for another large scale attack most likely after the 65k pull out of sometime in September.
If everyone can remember back after 9.11.01 one of Bin Ladens messages to the world was that he wanted to make the world an Islamist Empire. Given that his group of terrorists continue to commit acts of murder and violation's against human rights should even show those that are Islamists that he is only concerned about his image and social standing and does not even care for his own countrymen. The only peace that will come about will be when Osama Bin Laden and all of his terrorist networks have been captured and killed with no quarter given nor any trial except of that at the end of the America Rifle Company.
Come on,dwight.Will you knock off the right-wing drivel?It's starting to get old and very disgusting!I'm sick and tired of it.
Learn the difference between the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
It was General Hameed Gul and his like minded who fought US war against ex USSR AND MADE USA THE ONLY SUPER POWER IN WORLD POLITICS. He is probably still on their parole when give such sincere advice and facilitate his Master's safe pullout of Afghan quagmire.
Wow this tin pot Hamid Gul is bigger than US president, nice delusion. One think is for sure, these thugs and interlocutors know one thing death and destruction. Can he construct a great country like USA???
You are an insult to your religion and humanity, stop living a low life of insulting other religion, race and beliefs. It is not worth unless you have something superior to talk about. Here is why
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Who is this so called WAR for Terror Against, the extremists or MUSLIMs ???
All you out there do give it a thought :-)
There is no war in absence of "TERROR". Do not make it into chicken and egg issue, terror came first before WAR.
I have nothing to say except that this is one of the most idot filled blogs I have ever seen, what a bunch of locker room bullshumit. \\ll//
Yeah, we have the actual terrorist on ground and sympathizers in civilized world. The gorilla tactics adopted by terrorist is to melt into crowd at the slightest provocation, and sympathizers around cry ho@rse about innocent victims which incl. terrorist. Nice strategy, keep it up.
Taliban are not terrorist. They were attacked becouse Mullah Omar told he could not consign Osama B.Laden to the USA.
I think most of them even do not why they are attacked..
What do you call someone who provides safe shelter for a criminal who openly said he ordered/committed the crime?
Come on,Neo.Cut the right-wing mumbo-jumbo!
So you mean we will keep thugs from around world incl. Dawood Ibrahim, fighters from Chechnya, Tajik, Uzbek, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Algeria etc. And the world should look other way ignoring their threat. Wow what a delusion, a wishful thinking in line with ISI strategy.
any man having little bit sence of groud reality would totaly agreed with what Hamid gul says..well this whole world would continue ..taliban is doing this alqaeda is doing that..noboday has dare to say how much u.s and all its allied with using all its technology and investment to kill the infants and afghan villgers..wao what a target they select..they never select any regular army to fight with they are there in the most poor country & fighting those viligers and poors but brave freedom fighters..to whome they define in their media the 'terrorist' and at the same time they are enjoying every licence to kill any one from children to elders villigers but when ever they have been hit than they starts shouting...this blind world no body call them terrrorists..
What has Islamic revolution or its rigid practice given? Countries no one wants to do business or respect except for their natural resource. If not for oil they would be backward as they lived in 7th century if not stone age. What has USA given, Jp, SK, Modern Europe and not China and India. Well developed or on way of prosperity. When this bigoted idiots are going to learn or are they eternally blinded not to see the other world?
Break the country of Pakistan, divide them and throw them out of South Asia, let the pieces join Yemen, Sudan and Somalia. That is where they need to be in terms of stability and ideology.
the truth is, INDIA is supplying financial and arms support to Taliban!
also Israeliites are none other than disguised Muslims, Pakistan is the worlds wealthiest,safe country and Muslims are the most peace loving religion. Enough said. Pfft.
Yeah they are getting free transit visa free route through Pak. Who said Pak is not an innocent naive country. The country which totally believes people like Zaid Hamid, Hamid Mir, Hamid Gul and allowed ARMY-ISI to completely manage its own affair.
i am disagree with your point of view,
you need study the history of back ground in re Talban.
The Taliban are a manifestation of a Pakistan vs. India rivalry. Until this contest is largely put to rest, the region will boil. As Steven Coll noted in his book "Ghost Wars", the Taliban provide Pakistan with "Strategic Depth" against India.
Finally, some sense among nonsense.
Consider the aid,
dispatched by the United States,
that is show that Pakistan is a country,
at which President Obama has full trust.
Because Pakistan is a front line ally.
in the war on terror and further devoted in nature.
It has gone through the test with full success.
sacrifices has been made during a long period consisting on nine years.
So it is deserve emphasis of the president.
Gul sounds like a wise man
Don't believe in POLL, every POLL is easy to MANI-PUL-ate !
I see a lot of silly comments about the religions and the Talibans. The reality is that Afghan people are tired to be killed by Talibans as well as by US army. For them there is no difference if they are killed INTENTIONALLY OR NOT becouse THE RESULTS IS THE SAME. This is the reason why USA has no support for this war.
I totally agree with you,Joe and salerno.Thank you both.
68% of Afghan people WANT U.S. troops in their country. ABC poll take on Thursday. :)
More right-wing propaganda.Besides why do so many Afghans support the Taliban,Evan?It's like saying that 69% of the French wanted the Germans to occupy France during WW2.Exactly what do you take us for?
Evan,you know better than that!
Yaqobi your comment as following on August 6, 2010 at 10:58 pm about Abraham & Ishmael shows you are a Mentally Sick Indian "Hindu:".Because No Christian nor any Jew nor any Muslim dare to Speak about "Abraham:".
Come on,Evan,don't you think that the people have been dumbed down enough without your posting this grizzly photo?The right-wing thugs in Washington have succeeded only too well in that endeavor.
By the way, I'm no "tea-partier" I'm on the left. The THINKING left that recognizes how bad religious extremism really is.
I wish that all these right-wing fools would only stop blubbering their ignorance and just shut up for a change.It only proves just how dumbed down the public has become,thanks to the right-wing thugs in Washington.
I guess all the NATO troops will get excited now upon seeing this photo!
GREAT FILM! This should be shown to everyone on the planet at least once.
Chaz,are you really that demented or are you just a Tea Partier?Your comment here is quite disgusting!
Hamid Gul & Nawaz Sharif are a threat for the very existance of Pakistan for they are doulble agents of Mossad & Raw
All this right-wing ignorance and Tea Party lingo plus this disgusting photo being posted by Evan Mark here is enough to make even a billie-goat want to puke.There really should be a law against all of this mumbo-jumbo!!!
I apologize for using that Tea Party lingo.I don't know what's got into me.I guess that these right-wing idiots just got me all fired up.Maybe I should quit paying attention to them,the Tea Partiers.These people are a bunch of right-wing loonies and that's that!!!!!
I thank you for your apologies.Maybe some people will wise up after reading them,I hope.
This retard is stealing my screen name, everyone know when the real USMC Forever speaks, for he gets to the point.
Evan,will you stop posting this horrific picture here?Are you trying to whip up a right-wing lynch-mob frenzy among the public? What's wrong with you?I wish you'd cut it out!
Grow up. My nine year old niece sees worse than this daily. If YOU think it's bad, imagine how bad it is for those in Afghanistan.
Defense contractors are laughing all the way to the bank because of these phony wars.
Quite true,kenergy599.You nailed it good!!!
The ex-head of the very agency that wired 100 thousand dollars to Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of 911 destruction, is being asked to give his view on this topic. Pursuing its zeal for destroying India Pakistan has become a terrorist supermarket and ISI, with mr. Gul, right at the cash counter.
Grow-up you fools
Another forum for laid-off Desis to B slap each other.
Nice going morons
I agree with USMC Forever, the Devil Dogs are going to kick some ass and take names and end the barbaric, antiquated Sharia Law promoted by the oppressor Taliban and also being aided and abetted by Karzi. Freedom for the Afghan people and we come home. Semper Fi.
And i hope you enjoy it (not)
The only one who is going to need Preparation H is Gul after the stump breaking he gets by the Marines and other US elements. ;-)
Come on,gypski,cut the Tea Party crap!
Here you are again,Phunnie boy as the Real USMC Forever.Nice try!
Of course he would say that: he IS the Taliban.... The Taliban wants the Allies to make peace, and give them control of the Afghan government (more than they already do, that is...). Colour me surprised!!!
Ending the Afghanistan war and terrorism has very easy solution but do US and its allies have guts / balls? The western nations have to do is warn Pakistan they will impose sections if it do not stop supporting terrorism. These sanction should have teeth and similar to Iran.
The Pakistani army may big but it cannot match US strength. The Pakistani military needs to be neutered and brought under civilian control and in line. Pakistani army can call shots on Pakistani civilian government but not on the entire world. Stop all aids and trades. Therefore freeze all financial accounts of Pakistani Army & politicians. Stop granting the visa to all Pakistani Army & politicians. Stop import / export of all items to Pakistan.
If this does not get results, have navel / air blockade of Pakistan. I will bet my last dollar this will get results in months. Let world see how big Pakistani military have balls and their pride joy nuclear bombs.
It is the west that has pampered and spoiled Pakistan.
WoW and you came up with all that by yourself :)
iagree by uon this strategy, but one thing must be remembered ur armed personnel bef not granted visas for us amd caada now see ur ball size.
A man whose country is at odds with Afghanistan, and trying their best to destabilize Afghanistan, is saying on behalf of Afghanistan, and attempting to prove that he represents the people of Afghanistan. He would be like Putin claiming to be a proud New Yorker.
Succinct and well put.
American don't try win the war, the gool is kill million of people.
Retard, is that a sentence?????? Whats that, what is your @ss saying????
The American goal here is to crush Islam and gain control of the whole region and don't let any right-wing fool kid you to the contrary and don't fall for that right-wing bla-bla-bla about NATO helping the Afghan people.It just isn't so!!!
like it or not, gul has a very good point here, the strategy is not working there, both military and economic, taliban getting stronger everyday, and karzai is a puppet. what strategy is left to win there? btw, russians had been using the same strategy when they are there, im not suprised it doesnt work there. if the afghans really support karzai's and Nato, taliban wouldn't have a scrap chance to survive even for a day.10 years is way to long for nothing, let's just admit defeat and move on to other pressing issues,like economy and global warming.now tht's weopens of mass destruction to me.
You are full of crap, where do you get off saying that BS, show me where the Taliban is getting stonger every day you lying paki bast***ds. The word I get we are killing your @sses 10 to 1. So talk me smack talker, you are full of it and stand by for the real @ss whipping dirty Paki Bast****ds. Killing your @sses gives me a hard-on about 9.5 inches!!!!
USMC Forever,will you stop using that Tea Party lingo?It's very disgusting.
Hey,USMC forever,Will you cut the Tea Party lingo.It's quite disgusting!!!
Pakistan's ISI Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul met with the Bush administration in a week long series of face to face meetings 7 days before the 9/11 attacks took place in Washington DC. He left Washington DC after meeting them on the morning of the 9/11 attacks. Pakistan's ISI Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul appears linked to the very man that is alleged to have wire transfered large amounts of money to the 9/11 attackers in Florida from Pakistan.
Pakistan's ISI Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul certainly knows a great deal more than the American people do and especially more than the American people have ever been told. When a man of this statue and background tells the American and World public the War in Afghanistan is a lost cause, it is likely very accurate. Pakistan appears unwilling to go into Waziristan and destroy the Islamic Emerate there. I seriously doubt Pakistan would willingly permit America to invade Waziristan themselves and do that. As long as Pakistan can pour it's Taliban fighters out of Waziristan into Afghanistan to weaken the Karzai government, it is rather hopeless.
F this retard, screw it this is WAR pull out all the stops and nuke these cavebast***ds. Lets show this leader of terrorists how WAR can be ugly, screw rules and fairness lets just kill these rat F*****s!!!!
YABBA-DABBA-DOO. Me too.
Will cut the right-wing crap,Army is bad news.You know it isn't true!
Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul talks sense... thus it would be unacceptable to the US!
I sure would like to know who is supplying arms to the Taliban. India, The USA, Other NATO countries, Russians?? Why is CNN, FOX, other media and the world not talking about this? The decent and peace loving people of USA and NATO must wake up to this horrible injustice.
Hey,Rick.If the Americans are such a peace loving people,why do so many of them support this unnecesarry and obscene war? And why are so many of them joining the Tea Party Movement?Thet seem to more war loving than peace loving and filled with right-wing mumbo-jumbo fed to them by the right-wing media.
I am the real USMC Forever, this stinkin Paki stole my call sign but it cool. I say just keep on killing these pigs. Right now we are killing them 10 pigs to 1 NATO Forces. Everyone should know who I am. The real USMC Forever is a true man not some punk who has no balls to use his own call sign and spread his filth. DEATH TO ALL PAKIS!!!!!
The general is spot on. US and allies are facing a lose lose situation.
United SA and United SSR suffer da same fate, taliban are just a scapegoat!
Right on the spot!!! Every day his predictions are becoming more evident. The biggest mistake, after the mistake of attacking a poor country and raping its nation, was to give india a free hand in its dirty game against Pakistan, and that is a sucide that Nato has committed. Now is the consequence time. The solution, pack the bags and leave the region!!!
You sure nailed it,David!!!My hat's off to you!!!
I second that! I couldn't have put it better myself.I thank both of you for your comments!
wow.....David/Air Force Strong/Travis.....nice names.. whatz ur real ones-> Mohammed and Ali..........Porkistan is finished....largest exporter of terrorists in the world...USA get ready...ur going to be in there pretty soon.
Pakistan as a nation will continue to be a problem for the peace of the world unless all the Maddarasas and its Mosques are freed and reformed and the FLOW OF THE PETRO DOLLARS FROM THE OIL RICH NATIONS be contained.Until we make an alternate energy source in place of fossil fuels the world has to live with these species.
If time is money you've made me a weliather woman.
I like Curry – Who ever heard of Afghanistan food?
David, I second you. you hit the spot. I have been following Gul for past 5 years and his opinions have been 100% right about the region and strategy.
Afghanistan is again being used as a proxy battle ground b/w India and Pakistan with world powers USA and Russia supporting India and China supporting Pakistan. Since India has nothing to do in Afghanistan and is acting as a spoiler in this lost cause.
The problem with not providing military aid is that Pakistan will not have money for fightling the taliban and to be perfectly hosnet this is not Pakistan's war. thousands of Pakistani soldiers have lost their lives and still no one recognises this. Is it becase a non-european or american life is worth less – it sure feels that way.
There were no attacks on Pakistan prior to the afghan war. Now more people have died any Pakistan compared to American lives – thousands killed by taliban and hunderds by american bombs.
Someone should "investigate" who is supplying weapons to the taliban as this was raised by a news reporter and Pakistani military at a press conference in Pakistan when hilary clinton visited Pakistan – the weapons being used by taliban are american! Obviously no straight answer was given by Mrs Clinton.
That is true. There are no attacks on Pakistan before 911. Thats because those attackers are busy huddling in their tiny little shacks plotting against the rest of the world. Now, after 911, spineless Pakistan government made a U-Turn against their own invention (bad for Pakistan but good for rest of the world, Pakis need to commend GWBush for this one thing: Either you are with us or with them). Anyway, now the Frankenstein is out of control and wants to destroy its own master. So, the # of attacks outside Pakistan decreased proportionally with a greater proportion of attacks being done in Pakistan itself. It's unfortunate that civilians are being killed by American bombs, but there is very little you can do when those civilians are used as protection by Taliban.
Wake up from day dreaming Azran. Even your dreams seem to be quite highly imaginative. Wake up to the reality.
It is rather disturbing to see that Hamid Gul, who should be declared a terrorist, is being given platform to vent his views. Gul is the interface between the terror cess pools that Pak nurtures and Pak military and ISI. Gul operates on a misplaced presmise that we are in Afghanistan to win, rather he is incapable of undertsnding that we are there to give Aghan people some stability and future. United States and the world will be served to declare Pak a 'rogue nation' and should not be given any form military aid and any aid should be directly to people by our NGOs. Also, decapitating Pak's so called strategic assets will prevent Pak from further proliferating nuclear weapons. United States did not go to Afghanistan to negoatiate with the same terrorists who were instrumental in 9/11.
Inspite of a long history of being the epi-centre of global Islamist terrorism, the US have refrained from declaring Pakistan as a rogue terrorist nation......... pumping in tens of billions of dollars knowing well where the money is going....... wonder why ....... ?
The reason is simple, you Americans (read the Brezezinskis and the Kissingers ) are as evil as the Pakistanis.... and playing a dangerous double faced game...... to check-mate a number of countries in the region........... !
Gul Hamid was washingtons inside man after the Soviets invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and the middle man between the Jihadist and washington, Today Pakistan and Afghanistan are the product of Saudi, USA and Pakistan alliance and radicalisation/Islamisation orchestrated by Zia Ul Haq then President of Pakistan, America abondaned the region after the pull out of the soviets, The outcome of Vietnam was decided by Vietnames and Gul Hamid wants to see the outcome in Afghanistan decided by Taliban.
I suppose people have a short memory when they say negotiate with the Taliban, Well that is exactely what America did after 9/11 The Taliban refused to condemn Al Queda, Going back to the roots of radical Islamo Jihad both America and Saudi Arabia supported this movement that later became the Taliban and supported its represantation at the UN against Masood and the Northern Alliance. I recommend America borrow 5 trillion dollars from China and start another war with Iran and fullfill our role of Global policeman.
Let's just hope that Gul Hamid is right.How ironic,you name coincides with the very group of people who run Washington.D.C.,the MIC(military-industrial-complex).
mn sez: 'we are there to give Aghan people some stability and future'.
Funny, because Joe Biden explicitly stated the other day that it was *nothing* to do with the Afghan people, *nothing* to do with nation building, but that it was all about one thing, and one thing only: 'al-Qaeda' in the mountainous border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
'We are in Afghanistan for one express purpose ... the al Qaeda that exists in those mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan...We are not there to nation-build.'
Afghanistan wasn’t a problem throughout the history and it is not a problem now. The problem in the region was Pakistan, is Pakistan and will be Pakistan. If USA and NATO want to stabilize the region they should focus on a new strategy: to weaken the Pakistani army forces including ISI and to divide Pakistan. Afghanistan and India can be excellent neighbours as history showed before creation of Pakistan some 50 years ago.
In vietman we had cambodia to blame for our losses(insurgents coming in from Cambodia and we bombed the hell out of that place). Now In afghanistan its pakistan...
Pakistan is indeed the escape goat here. you are either ill informed or an Indian
Firstly lets get this clear , the American people are suckers for being told they are invincible ;they aren't. Secondly the war in Afghan is a waste of time. Thirdly you are being served by liars , deceivers and murderers but you can't be bothered.
Gul has a brilliant point – your just the same as the Soviets. The Pathans are fearless and proud warriors yu will never defeat them. Also the truth is that your desperate to tame these people as they are Indians – your only option is to hlocaust them which your are..slowly.
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