The recently released cache of U.S. reports from Afghanistan provides fleeting glimpses into the possible whereabouts of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the years since his escape from American forces at Tora Bora.
Documents released by the whistle-blower website Wikileaks and published in the British newspaper The Guardian quoted intelligence sources as saying bin Laden wanted al Qaeda operatives disguised as journalists to attack Afghan President Hamid Karzai during a news conference in 2004. In 2005, his financial adviser and an Afghan insurgent leader reportedly were dispatched to obtain rockets from North Korea to use against U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
In 2006, he was reported to be attending monthly meetings in the
Pakistani city of Quetta with fellow fugitives from the leadership of the Taliban, the Islamic militia that hosted al Qaeda when it controlled most of Afghanistan. Another report the same year states that he arranged a marriage for a valued lieutenant, a specialist in building roadside bombs.
Neither the documents cited only by the Guardian, which had advance access to the Wikileaks documents released Sunday, nor the information contained in them could be independently verified by CNN. The CIA would not comment on secret documents. But a U.S. counterterrorism official said on condition of anonymity that American authorities believe that the al Qaeda leader "has gone into deep hiding."
"We think he's spending a heck of a lot of time trying to avoid being
captured or killed," the official said. "After all, he's seen many of his top lieutenants taken off the battlefield since 9/11 - and especially over the past two years. We haven't had a firm fix on his location for a number of years. If we did, he wouldn't be there. The aggressive search for him continues without pause."
Bin Laden's organization carried out the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington that killed nearly 3,000 people and triggered the nearly 9-year-old Afghan war. The U.S. government has put a $25 million price on his head, but he has evaded capture.
In 2005, then-CIA Director Porter Goss told Time magazine that he had "an excellent idea" where bin Laden was but said that until "some weak links" were strengthened, "We're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice."
And in June, current CIA chief Leon Panetta told ABC's "This Week" that bin Laden "is in an area of the tribal areas of Pakistan," but there had been no precise information about his possible whereabouts for several years.
"Since then, it has been very difficult to get any intelligence on his exact location," Panetta said.
An August 2006 threat report included in the Wikileaks cache notes that a "high-level meeting" in Quetta resulted in six suicide bombers being dispatched to targets in northern Afghanistan. The meetings "take place once every month," either in Quetta or in villages along the Afghan-Pakistani border, "and there are usually about twenty people present," it states.
"The top four people in these meetings are Mullah Omar, Osama bin Laden, Mullah Dadullah and Mullah Barader (PHON)," it states.
Like bin Laden, Omar, the leader of the Taliban, has been at large since the invasion. His deputy, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, was reported captured in Pakistan this year, and Dadullah was killed in a U.S. airstrike in May 2007.
Another report states that Afghan insurgent leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar joined bin Laden's financial adviser, identified as "Dr. Amin," on a trip from Iran to North Korea in November 2005.
"While in North Korea, the two confirmed a deal with the North Korean government for remote-controlled rockets for use against American and coalition aircraft," the report states. "The deal was closed for an undetermined amount of money. The shipment of said weapons is expected shortly after the new year."
Hekmatyar, a onetime prime minister who fought against the Soviets in the 1980s, now leads an Afghan militia that has aligned itself with the Taliban against U.S. and allied troops.
– CNN's Katie Glaeser and Pam Benson contributed to this report.
can't believe people in America are so naive, a guy who waged war on the worlds super power disappears for 8 years without making any significant appearance!!!! come on!!! for me he's either dead or gay.
How come the issue of capturing Bin Laden pops up only when asked about by the media or press. Was there at least one official press conference dedicated to the topic of capturing Bin Laden?? after all this guys attacked the USA and killed 3000 people with no mercy?
America is paying American lives to secure a Israel, this is the whole story.
So just because you hear an audio recording of Bin Laden's voice talking about a recent news event then you guys are quick to believe that he is still alive?! I mean come on... what if Bin Laden was smart enought to produce thousands of audio recordings predicting future possible events in the world like "he will say that all states of america have legalized gay marriage and islam must fight it"; or "he will say congrats to President elect Sarah Palin"; or he will predict an earthquake in california". Now when God forbid the earthquake will really happen in year 2145 then if Bin Laden's men will play his audio recording during that time, do you fools believe that he is still alive and is 300 yrs old already?! What i'm saying is Bin Laden could be dead by now and those audio tapes of his talking about recent events like kerry's presidential nomination maybe just a calibrated recording of a hypothetical guess to fool people that he is still alive if in case a missile hits his cave.
They could know his whereabouts or even have him already...Pakistani ISI is one of the best in business and its their terrain out there. What matters is that at what point a certain 'update' will serve as a ideal 'breaking news' to help tilt the general opinion in their favor.
Like after complete humilitation in Iraq, Saddam was presented to save face. But it wasn't really about Saddam to start with, just a step in the bigger plan – The plan being to have complete control of that region for some really pathetic, absurd and facist religious belief that it shall be jew land at the end of times.
If someone believes that Israel is US' proxy, they got it all wrong to start with as its the other way around. US is ISrael's proxy, and for that reason has to suffer bad reputation and around the world to cover the lies and deceipt of the cunning jew. Its because of this wretched agenda that they have to use systematic media campaign to slowly bring a bad name to islam and muslims through decades. The truth is islam has never been a threat to the west or anyone other than their own sectarian violence that hurts themselves really.
The reality of the situation is that jews being a very small group can only survive in this cut throat world via cunningness, deceipt and spreading chaos and hatred. Don't blame them, if they don't run the show someone else will, and that party might want their head (for some reason everyone wants their demise regardless of their religion, culture, race...thats the history of the world. Now why they seem to bring the worst out of everyone is anybody's guess, go figure. I think its their deceitful and cunning nature but others may have other views).
This is a religious conflict at its core, and its fueled by the fundamentalist jews who have conned a select class of conservative brainwashed redneck christians that jews are a superior race or some chosen people crap, and that they should be protected and served for this totally racist belief. Unless this mentality is corrected, which will never happen, billions of innocents will go down. What a frikin massacre!
Typical BS spewed by the real terroists to clear ground for another occupation and mass murdering. Leak my a$$, basically a deliberate attempt to misinform the public via 'leaking' information (read lies) to show that 'oh...we need to invade the next country now because thats where the real culprits are'.
In my experience people all over the world are same – they are inherently good. But governemnts are pretty much always bad or corrupt. And none is more so than what we have here; all that comes out of them is nothing but lies and racism, very disappointing.
I totally agree with you,Silhouette.You said it all.
Bin Laden is dead and has been for 8 years! The US govt just keeps him alive in fake messages to keep the war funding going.
look, there he is.. u see him. > pointing at white house<
If Bin Laden is killed or captured, the American people will feel like the war on terror is over and withdraw support for having troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. As long as he is free the war goes on.
I think Bin Laden is hiding out in the Alabama National Guard. They can't find you there!
Taking Bin Laden out won't stop the fanatics - it will motivate them to further serve their martyrs.
Jeff, absolulely right. There is no way to win in Afganistan, the Russians tried it for 10 years and left with their tails between there legs, their entire country collapsed shortly after. The plan of these fanatics is not the war, but to completely collapse the economy. There is only one way to win........and the Americans do not have the guy at the top to do it.........the big bang just like WW2.
Wilkileaks report 1,221 Bravo we have found him, he is partying it up with GB!!
He will be on th VIEW next week with whoopi and the gang.
It wouldn't surprise me he is living in the white house.
How many 6'5" arabs are there?? How many of those 6'5" arabs require dialysis for chronic kidney failure? Seems to me we could have found him by now.
If we really wanted to.
All this is complete crap. Everyone is worried with everyone else thinks. Everyone is afraid of civilian casualties. Remember what impact Hiroshima had on the war........pretty much ended it. The US needs a president that has the balls to actually say "ENOUGH". There is only one way to stop this madness in the world and that is a couple of strategically placed nukes and then a real big warning.
I can't believe people in America are so naive, a guy who waged war on the worlds super power disappears for 8 years without making any significant appearance!!!! come on!!! for me he's either dead or gay.
All military are killers, in the military you are fair game to be killed just as you have signed up to be a killer, no military, no wars!
How come they haven't caught Tupac's killer? That's more important.
Wow...freinds with a sniper's mom, huh? Sounds like unimpeachable information!
Guys Osama Bin Laden is long dead, looking for him is like searching for big foot!!!
Osama is hiding in a posh bungalow in karachi (pakistan ) which apparently houses Dawood Ibrahim the most wanted drug trafficker in the world, also Al-qeda No 2 Ayaman Al Zawahari stays there. It is a safe haven for these dreaded criminals, now America needs to search inside pakistan.
I doubt the resolve to catch this guy.
Come on guys. The US has enough technology, knowledge and basically the ability to get or hunt down ANYONE they want except for ONE guy?
Rihana what's happening in Afghanistan is not a war ! it is a military exercise to flush out the taliban and kill Osama Bin Ladin. war was over long time back
nerver thougth this men alone cen make poeple so sick and hate each other like that . plaese but dont kill.(refering on raj &yako)
its not the people who want wars but its the Governments who go for wars in the name of peace.
Where as God forbids entering any home without prior permission-a country is one's home why invade?
You live in your home and let others live in theirs.
Its the jinn ie anger in us that turns us into a fireball-control your jinn or else u get what we see world over ie violence instead of peace.
Ask any individual wether he or she wants war?Violence?
The answer is NO,NEVEREVER.
Our hearts beat on a note of PEACE not war.
Take a VOTE WORLDWIDE.
A few at the top wants war.
The rest of us want peace.
Humanity at large has had enough of the ongoing facades of wars.Read the Quran's 2:11-12.
For God sake stop and go for world peace as God asks.2:44.Set an example by doing it what you tell others-.
Destroy all WMDS world over.
Why not win the world with love not hate.
Live and let live.
what an irony!! the same quran which you quote also teaches to kill kaffirs(infiidels) and massacre Idolators. Muslim Invaders since Ghazni, ghori, malik-ka-fur, babur, Tamar lane and nadir shah, ahmad shah abdali have killed millions of hindus just because Quran doesn't permit Idol worship. Osama bin laden and his ilk are just minions in front of tamarlanes.
I dont understand how they let you live ?
Re: Intrinsic, please post per SSA pens. Note: This is unacceptable service for licensed NY NJ TAXICAB... (Arrival)
Please refer to Cruel Tricks For Dear Friends to ammend your license, not mine.
I've raised John Mulholland personally on this. (Silver State Rules)
Bin Ladin is in Pakistan ! Nuke pakistan
Still enjoying Weissman Student tour, US bank treasury service I am sure has been to hurbs. See copyright.gov for reference work 1996+
I would like to correct the way Osama has been address. Bin Laden is not his father name but Laden is. The word Bin means son of. First name is Osama. Surname is Laden.
Bin Laden was killed in tora bora, he is kept alive to serve political means.
I would come to the conclusion that there is little glimpse of where Osama is because he is more than likely DEAD!
Jeez you people are handed on a platter "why the War on terror is a sham" and "how your fellow man is being sent to die in a war that cannot be won" and "how war crimes are being committed towards innocent civilians" yet you still refuse to see the truth?
You sure nailed it,Davy Crockett.Thank you.
Chcek FBI's website under most wanted terrorists and see if Osama Bin Laden is wanted for 9/11? CNN, please don't try to mislead us. 9/11 was an inside job done to benefit Silvestein, Cheney and Bush. Dumbo Bush would not even testify before Congress under oath. He would not answer many quesrions. By the way bulding 7 fell on its foot in several hours after tower 1 and tower 2 fell. And building 7 was only hit by light debris and came down nicely onto its foot - nicely demolished by the criminally minded people to find an excuse for New World Order!! Guys, don't comment on this unless you have researched the topic and FBI and CIA websites.
America can certainly leave from Iraq but leaving from Afghanistan now, would be a big mistake, they are very close to OSama he will be killed soon.
Gather around politicians (any flavor). I hereby pledge my vote to anyone that runs on the platform to end the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns. I will also pledge all my available resources towards your campaign and work tirelessly against anyone that opposes you. I believe my offer is firm and unwaivering. Be warned if you re-neg on the deal then I will also bring all resources to bear against your re-election. While I can't promise a major landslide for the candidate that takes this challenge I do believe its the most single important topic of the next round of the "pick someone ...anyone" show.
Once they capture or kill Osama much to this Islamic terrorism will reduce and fade away. He is very much alive and hiding in Pakistan. My Uncle had served in Kashmir for couple of years and from the interrogation they had on terrorists, everyone points out that he is hiding in tribal areas of Pak and Afghan border.
My guess is he did exist at one time, but has been dead for several years.
If he was a created character - though I do think this is still possibility - then more videos messages from him (OBL) would have been aired to continue the fear that imminent danger abounds for the US and our soldiers.
Nuke Pakistan and Afghanistan, end of story !
Spoken like a man who has no idea what he's talking about.
Any other word of wisdom for us?
Hey he could be Dead.. very dead but he could also be alive.. very alive.. hiding. He has the kind of power to be able to hide well... so why not. In reality no one can say for sure if he's dead or alive. His death cannot be confirmed because "wheres his body"? so until then he is pressumed alive.
Osama Bin Ladin is getting all kind of help and security from the Pakistan Government, they not only provide him with a secret hiding place but also help him plan attacks on the America troops. I think it is high time we ask Mr.Zardari to resign and America Military and CIA should run pakistan until Osama is captured or killed.
true, very true.
Now, this whole Wikileaks story is looking suspect.
Damn, I was hoping they - Wikileaks and their mysterious founder with his interesting voice, hair, bio - were a legit organization. How naive of me.
Now this whole thing is looking like such a shame! How? Why?
BECAUSE THE WIKILEAKS STORY is now looking like nothing but a basis upon which to continue the same story about Osama Bin Laden/911 story. Unbelievable. Absolutely, unbelievable. It's either that or Wikileaks is legit and they are trying to discredit it by constantly referencing it (Wikileaks) all week in a string of articles on CNN.com.
They will never catch Osama Bin Laden because if they did, then whole reason for following the story - the hunt for the "bad guy" will be lost.
Could you watch Gilligan's Island if they ever got off the Island?
Could the show LOST exist if they were suddenly found - no, truly found and sent home safely?
It wouldn't surprise me if Osama Bin Laden
a) never existed in the first place
b) died a long time ago
Think about this: what would it mean if he actually did exist and was caught, charged, and executed?
That would only foment more hatred toward the US, not quell it.
for 9 years we havent been able to catch this idiot...what is worng with us?? we found saddam in a HOLE we oughta find this idiot. but besides the point, catching this crooked nub is not the only thing we have to root out. we need to root out the radical extremists as well because waht is the point about capturing the leader when they're still there? t
Here's a leak for you. Bin Laden has been dead since the winter of 2001.
Exactly. Finally someone who's been paying attention!
Am wondering if they know of monthly meetings & even number of people attending..howcome they cant kill the damn guy than
Never say never, and why only a 25 million dollar reward? That's the cost of one floor in the New York Trade Center including the losses of people which are priceless. I'd say whoever catches this guy becomes a King in his own land of his choice that is not taken by anyone else and give him a castle fully furnished. An unlimited bank acct. A membership to the UN for life and monthly income for life.
He would have been ratted out, just like Saddam, a long time ago if he was alive. Notice how the establishment have move the focus from OBL to Al Qaeda or some other group. We're dealing with duplicity in our broken system, where lies are amplified in the echo chamber but truth is the squeaky little voice that is seldom heard.
Anyone who can fund a research project (PhD) on whether G.W. Bush and Osama binLaden were created by the same hidden forces!
I can't fathom why it is that the American psyche is averse to understanding the wrongs our government has and is inflicting upon us. As a counter to the bamboozled mad-hatters Tea Partiers, we should have a movement that mobilizes our people, especially those who have been thrown to the wolves, to march against the corruption in Washington and see to it that the people we've elected do our bidding, and stop them from stuffing their pockets with corporate cash while they make laws to hurt the very people who elected them.
My hypothesis Osama is Obama incarnated!
You are a simpleton troll, with nothing to add that makes sense. Just STFU.
My hypothesis is that you are dumb, and your post is the experimental proof.
The only recourse for the CIA is to kill bin Laden in secret...It's a no win situation to capture him or let it be known that we killed him...The pyschological impact of his death upon the Islamic World would cause untold violence on the planet...
Bin Laden is an imaginary figure, he has absolutely no power, other people are in charge of taliban operations. Killing or capturing this ghost wont do diddly squat.
Oh come on....do people still believe Osama is still alive?! What a joke! Believe EVERYTHING your government tells you and you'll be fighting in Afghanistan for the next 30 years. Bin Laden died in December 2001 of kidney failure. Haven't you ever wondered why there is no discussion within your country about capturing Bin Laden? There's no talk about it at all!!!! EVER!!!! The guy's dead.
Ah....but you need the pipeline through Pipelanistan don't you! The CIA needs its drug money from the heroin.
He died several years ago of kidney failure and he had a lung disease.
DvDs, CD's, Videogames, Programs, product designs, and now we have high priority government data on a war, which we are currently fighting(no spies or espionage involved), leaked. Kinda scares me just how much the human is hooked on the computer. Even if you don't have a computer you use it everyday. You think you press the ac in the car and the air comes out? the computer chip is in almost everything... (lights, toasters, tv's, digital clocks, anything that has an on off switch.) If the government is going to have their data on computers then they take better care of it. I hope this serves as a good wake up call...
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Anyone who thinks this piece of excrement is still alive is naive. This SOB became a part of a mountain years ago. Remember when the USA asked the Royal family for DNA samples during the bunker-buster phase? The news story virtually disappeared the next day (remember that the Rothchilds – long time Bilderburgs – owns and controls the Associated Press). If the fact this waste of sperm got blown to smithereens was published, the USA’s "mission" would be considered complete by many and the US would be expected to vacate the middle east, directly contradicting the real reason we are there, which in my opinion, is to have an oil interest…along with a local base of operations. Whattayathink, Bilderburgs? Oh, all those ready to scream that I am paranoid – research the Bilderburgs. Understand the government's real agenda. Read the “Art of War.” THEN comment back….
Benazir Bhutto's comment to David Frost about old bin being dead was aired on aired on our national TV then the story disappeared down the wormhole where truth goes to die.
that would be the AP... – Bilderburgs pipeline.
He looks like an idiot.. how can he be the most wanted?
And that idiotic stare has not change one iota in a decade. He's dead.
can't we just nuke pakistan and blame it on india?
Blame it on Obama
If you nuke us we'll nuke you back.
Just using his face to pass money for the war bill...fabrication...the picture is just a photoshop of old pictures..how can his face expression be the same with different back ground...the objective is not him but public support to fund war with all contries that gets in the way of oil...
wow.. 25 million. Osama probably dresses like a woman nowadays. Changed his name to Osamy and died his hair blond. Osama will not be found. One thing about this article I did not know he "escaped" american forces at Tora Bora.. interesting.
Why has bin Laden not been found? Many of you lament here that he is clever, or that there is some sort of conspiracy going on (government involved), or other equally silly ideas.
Think about this for a moment: Steve Fossett, American adventurer was reported missing on Sept 3, 2007 after he failed to return from a flight somewhere above the Nevada desert. His remain were not found until Sept 29, 2008, more than a year after his disappearance. This is despite the fact that he disappeared in the US (on friendly territory) while the area was more or less monitored by radar, and while his flight plans were somewhat known, in an area that is a fraction of the mountainous regions of Afghanistan/Pakistan combined. To compare the area of his disappearance with the Afghanistan/Pakistan mountains imagine a dime on a football field.
Now imagine how tough it is to find someone on hostile ground, who is (presumable) alive and is deliberately trying to evade you, in a mountainous area the size of California (or Montana, if you like that better).
I dont think he is clever. I think he just knows who's out to get him so he's very cautious.. in reality I think he will be cought, when the war is over. When America is no longer searching for him.. he will slip, and come out as himself.
Both men are dead, period.
He is alleged to be a dialysis patient. So I don't see how he could possibly survive in the mountains he's alleged to be hiding in without his blood processing machine. This idea of bin Laden being alive and well is counter-intuitive.
Emilio – I remember a time when everyone in the Agency was saying Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi (Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader) had only one leg. Just out of curiosity, when they pulled his body from the rubble after Delta Force bombed his meeting place, how many legs did he have?
Fact is, people make mistakes when it comes to diagnosing someone's physical afflictions from 5,000 miles away. I doubt bin Laden has any kidney disorder at all.
To paraphrase someone: there are lies, damn lies, and National Security. Remember "the known knowns, the known unknowns, and the unknown unknowns" that Donald Rumsfeld spoke about? Which one of those categories would you pigeonhole bin Laden?
Silly ideas? So what...the entire US Military was looking for him like they have been BeenLatent? Get a grip kittycat. Your comments reflect a totally unbalanced comparison. If you think this US-trained flybaby food is still alive.... just keep thinking that. And get lots of vaccines for your kids, especially for the dreaded H1 virus! And ingest flouride...and plenty of artificial sweetners. The government would NEVER do anything to harm you.... Goooood sheeple... gooooood sheeple... here's a biscuit. Roll over! Good girl. Ironic that those with eyes wide open can't see.
Lives in Manchester England, shaved his beard and has odd long chin.
The shrine in Mecca is a Hindu Shiva Temple. All muslims run away from ur so called holy place.
Mr. Bin Laden, we retired military personnel want you very bad. We will not kill you because then you beomce a martyr. What we will do is keep you alive and punish you every day and when you say kill me we will not. We will destroy your body. Get your butt out and fight like a man behind your skirts. You kill women and children and you call yourself a man? You are going to get it. Let me tell you, there are no virgins up there for you. We will be coming for you. We helped you out in Afghanistan against the Russians and now you are against us. You are pathetic, come out and fight like a man. Oh I forgot you are a chicken.......
Osama bin Laden is no longer alive, but this bogeyman has to be perpetuated to keep the fraidy cats scared. They've tried numerous times to evoke other bogeymen but the American people seem to prefer the bin Laden bogeyman.
the Bushies blew our last best chance in Nov 2001 at Tora Bora. Osama was heard on radio, our commander on the ground begged for reinforcements to seal the mountain passes – denied by upper command. Instead they opted to let local Afghan militia do the job. Instead they reached a "truce" with al Quaeda and let bin Laden go. And for that GWB awarded Gen. Tommy Franks the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Go figure. Thanks George...
In the words of Clinton himself, as quoted by the Sunday Times of London, Clinton's failure to accept an offer to have Bin Laden handed over was the "Biggest Mistake" of his presidency. After all, it could have easily taken everyone's mind off the blue dress stain. When will the uneducated stop blaming Bush for everything? Was he another Einstein? No. But get a grip.
AT THIS POINT, WHO CARES ..... GET A LIFE ...THE MEDIA IS A TOOL USED TO CONTROL US....NOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SCARED AND THEN THE YELLOW ALERTS AND RED ALERTS AND MORE CAMERAS ON THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS... SOON THEY'LL PUT THE CAMERAS IN R BATHROOMS AND TAP MORE PHONES AND TELL U THAT THEY'RE DOING IT TO STOP TERRORISM.......THEY ARE JERKING ARE CHAINS HERE!!!!
Has it occured to anyone that bin laden is DEAD.So i wouldnt think they would mention him too often.They are occupying afghanistan.all the presidents lied and always will.Wake up america.they paln on sending more troops.this is a disgrace
I N S I D E J O B? HELLO!
I just don't understand how so many of our fellow Americans have swallowed the neocon lies about September 11, 2001. And oh, how the 'cons have milked this manufactured lie. Look at all the baloney security companies that have sprung up, all of them feeding of the American taxpayer's teat. Rudy Giuliani, among others in Bush circle, have made a fortune out of the big lie that is costing Americans dearly.
Ask yourselves a simple question....Why is the USA continuing to fund and most of all trying to find Bin Laden at tax payers expense? Is a very simple answer: War is good business! At least for those who have invested in it. While the economy plunges in the USA, or other parts of the World. The American dream becomes a lot more difficult to achieve. he enemy is within our system, not just abroad. The banking industry in the USA and abroad is the number investor int his world economy. And has very little concern towards anyone, as long as you become a lifetime payee. Focus on your internal economy and you will see how wrong it is.
Very good posting,Louis.
I'm curious to know, is Bin Laden bald? I've never seen him without his hat. Maybe a really bad combover? Looks like the type to have a combover, especially with that child molestor beard.
Show some respect for the dead.
Be realistic people... Do you HONESTLY think the U.S gov't just went "Oops... We let everyone in the world have access to all the Top Secret files having to do with the Afghan war... No big deal"?? If ANY of this stuff was relevant, they would make sure that no one saw it. They WANT you to read it.... I promise you that Al Qaeda isn't jumping up and down to get their hands on this stuff... If anything, they're just laughing at you morons eating this stuff up.. Get real folks.. Clinton lied, Bush lied, Obama lied, and continues to lie... Bin Laden is dead... And you all look like fools for bashing former presidents on the CNN website... Come on America... We've got better stuff to do.
finally someone with intelligence....and reason. ahhhhhhhhh.
that makes sense, CommonSense. well done.
how did WTC7 collapse? can someone explain that as well?
Oh wait...that web site makes sense...never mind.
This sites entire argument that Bldg 7 was damaged by the collapsing towers which weakened the supports and with fire caused the collapse is refuted by NIST. They state the towers collapse caused NO damage to the support columns of 7 and the bldg collapsed in on itself because of fire alone.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. Any bozo who accepts the crap the Bush criminals wanted us to eat must be a walking mouth-breather. They, the Bush Crime Family, had some incomprehensible lie to tell about every aspect of what happened on September 11, 2001. Nothing about the yarns they've spun about that infamous date has any truth. It was an inside job to give the Neocons the "Pearl Harbor" they were looking for in order to advance their agenda. Now look where we are after all the bloodshed, destruction and wholesale plunder that has ensued.
It was shot down by flying saucers flown by dinosaurs.
Interesting how the Bush Wars (Afghanistan & Iraq) are costing the U.S. ......... $6...... BILLION.......a...... month! But the Far-right does not complain. Its time to END the ENDLESS WARS!
Why are continuing to call these Military operations "Wars"? There is the problem right there...........AMERICA...the Wars are OVER!!!
Osama escaped from Tora Bora beause Co-US-Forces, did not close the trap themselves, they sent in local troops, that were poorly trained and ill-equipped. The fear was the chanc of too many US casualities. The result of the decsion to
send in 4th rate forces, allowd The Big O, to escape. Shame on those Commanders for such poor leadership and worse, a proper sense of militray judgement. Peace
You are misinformed. We worked with our Afghan partners who abandoned a small unit in the mountains forcing the group hunting for Bin Ladin to rescue them. Shame on you for posting incorrect information.
And shame on you,MaryM for posting your ignorance.
Connect and understand the middle east
Man, you guys don't know nothing. I'm living it up in my crib in Detroit City. Got my bit**es and my boys up in here too. Living on y'alls cash money. Boo-yah. Holla up at ya. Peace out ni**az!
Didn't know the Internet existed where you are. Was that Purgatory you said, or was the final place. Who is your ISP and what browser and version are you on.
Ive got his domain and IP address and gave it to my neighbor who works for the FBI. Hes gonna look into it and already knows his location. He knows its a fraud, but also illegal for someone to lie about it. The fraud will be caught.
LMFAO!!!! especially bout yo' crib and yo' bi***es....
I thought you were in Diego Garcia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OKay i have one question. In this article it says "Bin Laden's organization carried out the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington that killed nearly 3,000 people and triggered the nearly 9-year-old Afghan war. The U.S. government has put a $25 million price on his head, but he has evaded capture." My question is, how do we know this? Where is the proof? Will someone please find me the proof without insulting me?
Bin Laden has yet to be indicted for the 9/11 attacks as the FBI states their is no hard evidence linking him to the attacks. Bin Laden is dead. Reported to have died of kidney failure and buried in an unmarked grave as is the Wahhabi tradition. If he was suffering of kidney failure and would have required a sterile environment, electricity, and regular medical attention. Osama bin Laden will not be down for breakfast – he is dead.
He publicly stated that he was responsible. Did you forget to watch the news that day? In addition, Khalid Shaykh Muhammad (planner of 9/11) has also stated that he worked at the behest of UBL. For everyone who thinks that the Shaykh was "tortured" and said whatever we wanted to hear, that's not the case with these extremists. People that are that entrenched have no problem admitting their deeds.
So why couldn't Bush capture Bin Laden if we knew where he was and that Bin Laden was attending monthly meetings?!?!?!
Ruined the economy and decided not to capture a guy who killed 3,000 of our people. Nice job....really just frickin' nice job there Bush.
Right. Remember the war in Iraq was all about getting our greedy hands on Iraqi Oil. We need to protest in the streets until the Bush Wars come to an end.
Here's a thought for both conspiricy supporters and those that think he is in hiding. We have not seen a video, still, or drone picture of him since Tora Bora. We have heard recorded rants that of course the CIA says are credible, but never he in person for over 6 yrs. Every "message" is accompanied by a still picture of him. Nothing more.
Osama bin Ladin may be or was many things, but a zealot that does not appear to his flock is not one of them. His ego, and hatred of the west could not possibly be contained by reclusiveness, he would appear to everyone of his believers, monthly, if only he could.
The overarching scenario is that the US needs to finish this war with a win or at least a "There,I warned you", But with OBL dead or gone the very core of the war for most US citizens is gone. We have no desire nor need to build an empire in Afganistan, or support a regime change. WIth the spectre of OBL still ever present, the goal is still there, with him gone, Americans would want out now.
The reality of life is that the average American doens't give a whit about Afganistan and it's troubles, but the boogy man keeps us there, not the need ot build a regime that will fall anyway.
That's an interesting take on the situation. I don't think he's alive either but it is far better for him to be alive in order to garner support of Al Qaida than it would be for the CIA to garner support for the war. I think the average American doesn't care about Osama or this war and it's a shame. Aside from Osama (who is in Pakistan not Afghanistan), Afghanistan was the training grounds for several terrorist organizations to include Al Qaida. It is in our country's best interest to win this war regardless of whether Osama is dead or alive. That's just my opinion.
MaryM,will you stop spewing your ignorance on this webbsite.Its starting to get old!!!
SO IT MEANS THAT THIS WAR HAS NOT SENSE...!...BETTER PACK YOUR TRASH BOYS..LET'S HEAD HOME!!!
This war is full of crap.
I am ashamed you and I share the same name. Maybe you forgot about 9/11? Additionally, Afghanistan was home to several Al Qaida training caps for decades. At the time it was the epicenter of terrorist activity. In order to prevent that from happening again we need to finish the job we started.
And I'm ashamed of you for spewing your right-wing ignorance.You right-wing fools are a national disgrace!!!
Get out of of Afbamanam! Now! Save lives and money.
Dear Dr Randal, what was the area of research for your PhD and where did you do it? Islamabad or Kandahar?
I posted some preliminary statistical analysis of the Wikileaks data on my personal blog. Please take a look at it.
I believe Bin Laden is dead also. When was the last audio or video tape made of him babbling away?
he might be.. but I think he's alive. just hiding very well.
bin Laden released an audio take in 2004 where he talked about John Kerry's run for President–so it's extremely unlikely that he was killed in 2001. He may have bought it in a Predator drone strike, though. Those birds are miracles!
Yup, that's what the Govt told you. MUST be true then. Here's another fun Gov't line from 1944: "it's OK men... go ahead and walk up to ground zero. it won't hurt you."... Oh, got a minute? Look up and read about the USS Liberty. Research Monsanto and industrial poisons from Alcoa. Educate yourself on systemic flouride and chlorine – not to mention the horrible H1 virus and vaccines. THEN lecture us all on the trust you have in the US Gov't. .......Brains cannot be open with Eyes Wide Shut.
They keep kicking a dead horse with this search for Bin Laden crap. He died in 2001 and he's still dead today PERIOD. They use this dead mans name as one of the many reasons to continue the "war".
Joe,your right-wing comment here is very appalling and sickening.
Extremely well put,Eric.
i think bin laden is dead, it appears that top taliban alquaida are takeing area assignments to wage jidah if one of them is killed another one is dispatched to take his place, i do not see where thier command is consentrated to one man, i believe bin laden was killed in tora bora when colin powell was in charge ,
Doesn't seem like it from this intelligence does it? Bin Laden survived Tora Bora and he did release some audio since then – a few times as I recall.
If you collate the comments from the two CIA directors, it sounds like Obama is in Pakistan.
Bush let him get away at Tora Bora. I was friends with the mother of a sniper team member in the know. Bush wanted to prolong the war long enough to carry him to the next election. Got more than he bargained for.
Well those who know the truth about Tora Bora need to speak up – all bets are off the table now.
your friends with a mother of whom had a son who was sniper.... come on man, how good do you think that info is. :/ – im just sayin.
"Bush let him get away"......Give me a break. Like GWB was on the ground in country and told the operatives, "No, we need to prolong this war...." More liberal spouting. Get your facts straight. The CIA agent in charge of the op requested military reinforcements, which didn't come. Secondly, the "local" freedom fighters in country refused to pursue Bin Laden for several hours, knowing he would escape into Pakistan.
Tom, I see you saw the same special I did on the History channel. Additionally I would like to add this was a Special Forces mission not a "sniper" mission (who are attached to regular infantry units).
Of course we know where he is. We're not waiting to find him, we're waiting to catch him. It does no one any good to kill him, we are waiting for a good way to kill everyone around him at which point we hope the gangly dying puke doesn't have the guts to eat a bullet. We'd rather see his head detach like we did with sadaam and his buddy...
Unfortunate that bin Laden was not captured when he was cornered in Tora Bora. Still wonder how that could have happened...
It looked like it was going to be a long fight with many US casualties. Invading Iraq looked easier, like a great way to gain instant brownie points – they figured it would be a quick, decisive victory and GWB would look like a hero. Of course, they were very, very wrong. And lost the best opportunity we've ever had to catch Bin Laden.
That seems to be a pretty ridiculous statement to me. I`ll admit I don`t follow this war as closely as you do, but I don`t understand why they would let Bin Laden go to further their agenda. This would mean they would be giving away the fame and fortune that will come to whoever finally brings Bin Laden to justice. Also, I think that capturing Bin Laden would rally Americans to support the US military`s objectives in the Middle East. I agree with Head Case that there seems to be a lot of paranoia in your statement.
The History channel channel did a piece on the Tora Bora incident. Apparently, special forces were conducting operations with their Afghan partners and one group was over run because the Afghans took off and ran home. So, the group that was close to Bin Ladin had to leave their location in order to save their brothers. The report the History channel did was about all the failed attempts to capture him to include the Clinton era attempts. It was very insightful.
Ugh!! Please don't judge the spelling...I'm at work and I'm trying to be fast about my commentary. I noticed a few errors such as "history channel channel".
Isn't this just INCREDIBLE that we have known for years where Osama is but CAN't FIND HIM. There are quite obviously MANY top people who are protecting/enabling this man and if the U.S – the supposed greatest inteelligence system inthe world is THIS INEPT – whatever should we be thinking about our role /role model country in this FIASCO search.
Where is the "like" button?
Actually Id say only a select few or none of his ppl exactly know where he is. He did a marvelous job of dropping off the radar and that only truely happens when you break contact with ppl. Because everyone can keep a secret...
if there was a like button, i woulda tapped it a zillion times for this insightful comment.
mabey they dont care about finding him
Because the American people insist on knowing EVERYTHING in the intelligence community we publicized information that we were taping his phone so he stopped using it. You can thank the press and the American people who keep insisting on transparency from our intelligence folks. Additionally, there are presumably very few people actually know where he is and they aren't talking. Maybe you'd like to go to Pakistan and try your hand at finding him?
The man is most probably dead since he was already suffering from nephritis back in 2001,but the right-wing thugs in Washington will never tell us that!
If this leak is true, then we are just an inch away from capturing Osam bin Laden.
This story doesn't look like it was made by the Goverment or any Military force...
It's a poorly hogpogged slapped together piece of fluff faked up to make website hits.
Btw lso know Pakistan is also terrorist country and many "car bombs" bike bombs or suicide bombers are blamed on "drobes" anymore. So yeah.... not much out of the muslim countries mouths have any facts. I rather the 50/50 of America over the 1 percent anyday.
Bin Laden and his death squad thank you for this valuable information!
What info? That bin Laden is hiding in the hills? I think they may actually know that.
TREASON!!! That is the only way to define what these criminals have done. I am a moderate democrat and a long serving U.S. veteran. Everyone involved in the unauthorized release of classified information should be prosecuted, and if found guilty, punished to the full extent of the law.
TREASON is a capital offense (death penalty)
Every member of the armed forces, government employee, and contractor that has access to classified information is well informed of the penalties involved with the unauthorized disclosure of classified information. Involuntary but neglectful disclosure can result in: (loss of job/clearance, fines, jail time, etc.). Voluntary disclosure, which is usually defined as espionage or treason can result in: (extended prison sentences, life in prison, or the death penalty)
Civilians are subject to U.S. federal criminal courts. Active duty military members are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
Whatever the employment status of these criminals, they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
These people need to be exposed and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It is not a difficult task to trace the access of the data and correlate it to a specific individual. I am certain that the appropriate agencies are on the track right now and already know who these traitors are. I will take great pleasure in watching their prosecution and hopefully execution in the media.. That is if the media bothers to show it..
U.S. media outlets that openly release classified information without government authorization should be penalized to the full extent of the law.
Foreign media outlets that openly release U.S classified information without U.S. government authorization should have all of their media correspondents banned from entry to the U.S.
Seems loyalty among terriorist is much stronger than the U.S. government intel sector, but like most fed offices there is always someone willing to spill their guts out for a cause they probably think is noble.
I say Bin Laden is hiding in a posh villa in Mumbai, with the Hindu extremists. He has close contacts with Sanjay Dutt and Akshay Kumar. India has provided a safe heaven for such culprits and also Shivsena is providing extremists minded hindus shelter and making monthly meetings as how to corner Pakistan and label them as a terrorist state by killing kashmiri civilians and labeling the kashmiri freedom fighters as terrorists. Bin laden is a traitor, working with the jews and indians.
That's about how I see it, too. Someone struggled with his conscience and decided to release this stuff, and maybe they had reasons and it will turn out to have been for the best in the end, but they did it against orders and law. I'd be sympathetic if I were on a jury, but the law is pretty clear.
I concur with the thoughts expressed in this reply. If the transferors of this information – which could result in the death of individuals considered positive to the United States – then our legal system is out of order. While, so called, reporters have almost free access to report, some constrictions MUST be placed on them. If editors approve copy from individuals reporting classified information then they, as well as the corporation approving the transmission of such copy must be held responsible.
The concept of free press – as envisioned in the Watergate scandal – is not restricted as to naming individuals not yet tried and convicted according to existing laws – then those individuals must be held accountable!
How do you feel we are an inch from getting Bin Laden? Nowhere in the article discusses his exact whereabout. There is only one mention of someone having a very good idea of where he was but he didn't have the means to do anything with the info. If you read this story carefully they reiterate the fact (over and over) that for the past 3 or 4 years there hasn't been any concrete or detailed info on Bin Laden's whereabouts. So how could we be an inch from finding him?
Pakistan will never allow america to capture Osama. Becoz that is the main souce of their earning dollers. If Osama died or get captured what Pakistani will eat ? As far as the roll of India and Pakistanthe in Afghanistan are concerned, available evidence facilitates the conclusion that whereas India’s engagement with Afghanistan has largely been constructive, Pakistan’s involvement has mainly been destructive.
I agree 100%. Pakistan is the problem.
You need some constructive English lessons, and a sanity check while you're at it. Indians just feel left out of this whole situation and keep trying to insert themselves into the picture. A bunch of sad attention seekers! Spend your energies trying to fix your own problems. You haven't got rid of the cast system still .. there's a starting point!
The simple truth is that it does not matter. The war against terrorism will never end. These are the times we live in now.
I agree with you in a way but I also disagree. In my opinion removing large terrorist political figures will have a huge blow to the morale of the average terrorist. Also, I think Bin Ladin is already dead but Al Qaida keeps saying he's alive to garner support.
The right-wing thugs in Washington say the same thing,MaryM.They need this bogeyman to drum up support for this obnoxious war and that's that.
He will be on the VIEW next week with whoopi and the gang.
Yep, latest intel says he's somewhere in Chicago driving a cab.
If North Korea delivers it shippment – we should sink every N.K. ship.
U r a friggin idiot...go get mama to help with your diapers..
Can't you get it folks, this post above is a joke....sanjosemike
Wow, I think that was intended as a joke.
Return your head to your colon, where it belongs. It's a place much more fitting for your ideas (and your breath).
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