July 26th, 2010
09:17 PM ET

Ellsberg: 92,000 pages will not convey reason for Afghan war

The U.S. war in Afghanistan has been drawing comparisons to the Vietnam War for many years, and WikiLeaks' publication of more than 90,000 government documents about the war in Afghanistan will give more credence to that comparison. Daniel Ellsberg, the whistle-blower responsible for leaking the U.S. government's top-secret study on the Vietnam War in 1971, says that like the Pentagon Papers, these documents will not justify the ongoing war.

"I think what the Pentagon Papers showed with 7,000 pages was that there was a lack of any good reason for doing what we were doing," Ellsberg told CNN. "My strong expectation is these 92,000 pages will not convey any good reason for the dying and killing and the enormous money we're spending over there in a time we cannot afford it."

CNN has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the documents, but their release is being called the biggest intelligence leak in history, drawing comparison to the Pentagon Papers. Ellsberg agrees with that assessment. He says the secret documents on the U.S. war in Afghanistan published by WikiLeaks dwarfed the Pentagon Papers in the amount of content thanks to advances in technology.

"This would not have been possible 40 years ago at all on this scale," Ellsberg explained. "As it was, it took me months to do several copies of 7,000 pages, and I couldn't have done anything on this scale at all."

Ellsberg also praised WikiLeaks.  "The possibility for the kind of transparency that is very good for democracy has been enhanced by this technology and by WikiLeaks' willingness to put out this kind of material."

Ellsberg says one of his biggest regrets was not leaking out the documents in real time, during the mid-1960s, when it could have made a difference in changing the direction and public opinion about the Vietnam War, rather than waiting until 1971.

He sees a similar parallel today with the publication of WikiLeaks documents and called on Congress to take oversight action in light of the vote on war funding scheduled for Tuesday in the House of Representatives.  The Senate already passed its version of the bill last week.

"It's now too late for whoever the source is here to have averted this war, but we're in midst of it. It's not too late for Congress to rethink its willingness to rubber stamp appropriations for an endless war," he said.

"They'd be well-advised to postpone that vote until Congress has time to digest the gist of this story and hold hearings of the kind they never held on Afghanistan in nine years and really challenge the administration to give any basis on why we'd do better than the Soviets in their 10 years or the United States in the last nine years."

Ellsberg was also very critical of Pakistan, in light of allegations in the documents that the country’s intelligence service has been coordinating with the Taliban against U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

"We weren't subsidizing Hanoi. We knew who our opponents were at least," Ellsberg says of the roles played by Russia and China and during the Vietnam War. "These documents confront us with question: Do we know who our allies and our enemies are?" he asked about the current role of Pakistan.

"We've been asking Pakistan to get more involved. It turns out they are involved and we knew it, only they're on the other side."

But Gen. Hamid Gul, the former head of Pakistan's intelligence service who is cited numerous times in the reports, rejected the accusations.

"These reports are absolutely and utterly false," Gul said Monday. "I think they [the United States] are failing, and they're looking for scapegoats."

While the parallels between the WikiLeaks documents today and the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago are striking, from a military perspective the significance of the two compilations are very different.

The Pentagon Papers were a top-secret report - the highest possible classification ranking the government can assign a document - while the WikiLeaks documents are secret and are accessible to a wider group. The Pentagon Papers were a secret history of the role of the United States in Southeast Asia from 1945-1967, which went against much of the public record. The WikiLeaks documents are snapshots of moments in time during the Afghanistan War, albeit in great detail and candor.

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  1. okindxorows

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  4. Manuel J.

    The only reason the Taliban didn't provide more help to Al Qaida was because of funding, logistics, & support personnel. Had they millions of $$, thousands of troops, etc. they would have assisted in taking out more than the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. As for the Afghanis who don't like the U.S.... they are the same one's who profit from the billion-dollar opium trade.

    Cut our military loose to do their job. I'm a combat vet and all for it. For you Pacifists... If you honestly review how WWII was handled, and you used today's criteria, the entire U.S. Government could be tried for war crimes. The truth is, war sucks, it's brutal, and it's often a reflection of the government. Now, that government is asking the military to follow it's tracks..... FAILURE.

    July 27, 2010 at 9:35 am | Report abuse |
  5. Bryan

    America wanted this war because of 911. We had to make someone pay and now much of the country is scared that if we leave that region then the attacks will start again; all because some dumba$$ said "We fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here". Many Americans are too afraid to end these pointless wars, the politicians know that support earns them political points so that's why we're still over there. This country cannot fix its economic problems or any other problems while still spending billions on two wars we can't win. We can't win them because "terror" is an ideology and not a tangible enemy. You can't kill a belief with bullets and bombs and no matter how tough you think this country is, we can't kill everyone with the potential to believe in that terrorist ideology.

    July 27, 2010 at 9:27 am | Report abuse |
  6. curious steve

    one thing that no one can deny is, the truth us the opposite to whatever the US government and the US corporate media say it is.

    July 27, 2010 at 9:22 am | Report abuse |
  7. KeithTexas

    If the true patriots in Washington would start revealing all the other non-secret secrets we might be able to get our government back under the control of the people. This leak is a good thing and needs to happen more and more.

    July 27, 2010 at 9:13 am | Report abuse |
    • curious steve

      should and will.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:24 am | Report abuse |
  8. Jack

    If men and women truly loved their children they would not send them with tears of pride to die with their guts blown across a desert road or any road. Countries are nothing more then global tribalism where the chiefs pick and choose who gets sent to die for the wealth of the few. Doctors, lawyers,senators, the man next door, all sense that they are intelligent as their kids die. Till one questions all of ones conditioning through the educational system and the lost souls of our ancestors who had nothing but a history of war there will be nothing new such as real peace. Everyone running about with the thought that they can think freely LOL. No it is only tears I have for my fellow man weather here in America or my brothers and sisters we kill or they kill us abroad. Peace is easy, all we have to do is choose it. Its hidding greed that is difficult, we have to do that by handing out medals and flags to our loved ones.

    July 27, 2010 at 8:57 am | Report abuse |
    • curious steve

      the corporate media have done a great job mis-representing the people's thoughts, in order to misguide the people and the public policies. remember judith miller of the NYT? when caught, she claimed freedom of the press! of course no intelligent person bought that laughable claim, but none the less, judith miler and much of the corporate media really tried to sell the crap (the fact that miller lied to serve the people) to the people. that's the definition of hubris. she'a a expert commentator on Fox, surprise surprise.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:30 am | Report abuse |
  9. Cynic

    That was eloquently stated. Thank you.

    July 27, 2010 at 8:24 am | Report abuse |
  10. belgerian

    Ive always had the philosopy live and let live and I prefer non violent solutions. But everthing Ive read and seen about the middle east is that the one and only thing they understand is violance they live and breed it. They do not seem to be iterested in any peace they only want to control more and more. And unfortunantly there is only one way to deal with this mentallity that is to eradicate it.

    July 27, 2010 at 8:10 am | Report abuse |
    • curious steve

      spoken like a true nazi.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:32 am | Report abuse |
      • Manuel J.

        Based on your comments, you obviously don't read much other than blogs!

        July 27, 2010 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Manuel J.

      The media is incorrect in stating that nobody has ever won in Afghanistan.

      The general who did win in Afghanistan was none other than...... Genghis Khan

      July 27, 2010 at 9:42 am | Report abuse |
  11. bear

    Most of the people that attacked the world trade center were Saudis. Granted they were trained in Afghanistan, and here in the US. It would have been less costly to just put a high bounty and or a round in their heads(Bin Laden). We did that with Pablo Escobar and didn't have any problem putting a round in his knoggin. But there is no profit sending out a group of people to do this, there is no potential for gaining access to mineral deposits. And no profits to be made by MIC. This action has drug on for long enough, and is helping drag the country into financial ruin, While MIC puts money in their coffers at our young peoples expense. How many are willing to sacrifice their kids for big business profits? I fully support our troops, just not the policies of our reps, and I'm unwilling to sacrifice my grandkids,or kids to line some CEO's pockets.

    July 27, 2010 at 8:07 am | Report abuse |
    • curious steve

      the poor and the oppressed keep signing up for a piece of the action, for a piece of the pie called the american dream, as it is sold to the poor and oppressed as a pacifier.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:35 am | Report abuse |
  12. jctboy

    Obama....Holder...Napolitano !!! Couldn't find the time to read SB 1070, AZ's law against illegals...it is 15 pages long!!! Do you really think they know what is in 92,000 pages...they will get a brief synopsis from someone elses' opinion on what it contains. Bet a dollar they say, "there is no real crucial information that hurts our ability to win this war." Anyone wanna play liar's poker???? Let's worry about protecting our own borders, before we fly halfway around the world and try to protect someone elses!!!! If it is so bad over there...that region can "ask" us for our help. We have no business "forceing democracy" (think about that for a second) on other countries. And if we do need to go to war....you let the troops go all out and take care of business!!! No meddling with stupid rules and regulations from some 75 year old politician who has had room service and his own private lincoln town car for the last 40 years, and hasn't seen the light of day if it didn't get a good approval rating from some straw poll !!!! AMERICA needs to take care of it's own, before we take care of theirs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    July 27, 2010 at 7:52 am | Report abuse |
  13. cj

    The way to end this whole thing is to require our representatives to patrol with our troops on a rotating basis. If this is truly a war they should go without concern.

    July 27, 2010 at 7:39 am | Report abuse |
  14. Jesse

    You have to wonder why Wikileaks is not giving out any secrets about the Taliban, or Al-Queda. I guess it might have something to do without having to look over your shoulder all the time. How come these so called whistle blowers don't talk about the enemy? Could it be because they like living too much? No they love to live the free life, but they don't want any part of the enemies side of the war. Because they know what would happen to them then. Since they won't expose the attrocities of what the enemy is doing then in my opinion it makes them traitors. Because unless they are will to expose both sides of the war then they are against us not the war.

    July 27, 2010 at 7:31 am | Report abuse |
    • curious steve

      you are one of the neo-nazi traitors to humanity. there will be a knock on your door sooner than later.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:38 am | Report abuse |
  15. Jusakid

    Wow a lot of arm chair quarterbacks here. The reason why information such as this is marked "SECRET" is because if disclosed would be at risk to national security. In no way to you have the right to know who afghan informats are or how intell officers get information. This is ridiculous, there has always been speculation that certain parts of ISI were giving support to the Taliban, they are the ones that put them in power in the first place. They supported the Taliban in their fight against the NA and probably had a hand to play in the assination of their leader. Listen people complain that we cant win this war but you are looking at it wrong. We can win any WAR, but this is not just a war, this is a mission that has required the U.S military to take on a role that, for the most part, is new to any military in history. The soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen take on new responsibilities as peace keepers, police, diplomat etc. to try and to build and then hold together a country and society, in a unhospitable, multi cultural territory. Killing is easy, not killing is the hard part.

    July 27, 2010 at 7:26 am | Report abuse |
    • KeithTexas

      The government has been lying to us for fifty years. Secrets are only dangerous to Tyrants. The light of day will end this war not secrets.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:10 am | Report abuse |
      • curious steve

        absolutely.

        July 27, 2010 at 9:39 am | Report abuse |
  16. Brad

    Whistleblower?.......In this case It is just plain Treason and they should be charged with Negligent Homicide for every U.S. Military death that takes place in this war due to their posting of this type of information.

    July 27, 2010 at 7:26 am | Report abuse |
    • curious steve

      Hitler couldn't have said better.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
  17. eugenio fischer sanchez

    After reading the majority of these comments, it is easy to come to the conclusion that the USA will, like Rome before her, be torn apart. The empire will whither and the republic will remain. War after war, bankrupt the budget, to hell with the ideals. Ideals? What ideals? Ask the hawks on this page about their ideals, and their sacred USA democratic values.

    Here's the thing about 9/11, the USA can't stand that anyone would do to it what it does habitually to other lands.

    July 27, 2010 at 7:10 am | Report abuse |
  18. Alex

    The Afghanistan war is lost. Let's wind down and get the hell out. I never supported it in the first place. It was a gross over-reaction to a crime. A huge, horrific, and evil crime, but a crime nonetheless. We could have put a $10B bounty on Osama's head up front and had him in no time at all. Would have cost us a lot less.

    July 27, 2010 at 7:09 am | Report abuse |
  19. Susan

    The scary part is what we don't know. I support our Troops 100%. The clowns in Washington are a joke. We need to wake up and take our country back. Clean house now!

    July 27, 2010 at 7:09 am | Report abuse |
  20. John Bannick

    Vietnam in the sand.

    July 27, 2010 at 7:08 am | Report abuse |
  21. Jesse

    What should happen to all the people that don't believe that we should be defending our country. How soon they forget that we were not at war when the enemy flew our own planes into our towers. Where over three thousand innocent people died for someone else's reasoning. We didn't ask for them to attack us, but doing nothing is a sure fire way of getting your butt kicked just like then. As far as these parasites that think they are helping by letting secrets out that put our troops in harms way even more. Should be hung on a tree outside of town and left there. They aren't anything more than cowards that do not deserve to live in a free society. Just like Hanoi Jane, she is nothing more than a parasite that lives here breathing our free air. She should have been made to move to Viet Nam to never return. War doesn't do much good but it's better than the alternative.

    July 27, 2010 at 6:59 am | Report abuse |
    • KeithTexas

      Three thousand died, now we have lost the lives of our sons and daughters spilling precious blood for a lost cause. They are not fighting for our freedom. If they were fighting for our freedom they would be attacking Washington.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
  22. Don

    sorry didnt read before i posted. the Afghan was is totaly necessary. sorry working graveyard and cant see straight.

    July 27, 2010 at 6:44 am | Report abuse |
  23. Don

    Ok first of all the information was classified. that soldier had no right to release CLASSIFIED information. He is only a Spc near the bottom of the chain. there a a whole lost smarter and older poepl that could see the damage that this will do. the fighting soldier on the ground will pay for his stupid mistake. THE Afghan was IS TOTALY NECESSARY!! THEY DID 911 THEY NEED TO PAY!!! We need to wipe them off the face of this earth. They will continue to kill us every chance they get.

    July 27, 2010 at 6:43 am | Report abuse |
  24. Greg

    Mostly unintelligent people here, as usual. I guess you all need somewhere to voice your pathetic opinions, since nobody physically in you presence would bother to listen to most of what any of you have written, or ever write here. That being said, I have decided to write a comment about this article anyways.

    With all due respect to Daniel Ellsberg, I am surprised by some of what he said. There is a huge difference between the Vietnam and Afghanistan Wars. The most important point being that the Vietnamese people did absolutely nothing to any of the people of America, so we had absolutely no reason to be there is the first place; but the United States managed to kill up to 2 million totally innocent Vietnamese people anyways. At least we had a reason to invade the country of Afghanistan, because everybody on the planet knew that most of the people responsible for the killing of about 3000 Americans on September 11, 2001 were residing in Afghanistan at the time. The leading political party in Afghanistan at the time(The Taliban), was harboring Osama Bin Laden and the other “terrorists” responsible. I do however praise both Daniel Ellsberg and WikiLeaks for their honorable and moralistic ideals; you are true heroes of freedom and righteousness to all. The “cover-up” of innocent civilians being killed should never be allowed to happen anywhere on the planet, and Julian(creator of WikiLeaks) created this website specifically for reasons such as that.

    Leaking this information, whether it be about Vietnam or Afghanistan, in no way has, or will it in the future, compromise the safety of any of our troops on the ground, stationed in a hostile, combat environment. This information just fills in the general public as to the kinds of things that happen during any war; the kind of things that do not necessarily make the headlines, but nevertheless, the kind of things that everyone has the right to be informed about. I therefore applaud both of you, Daniel and Julian for you having absolutely nothing but the best of intentions. The greatest champions on the planet of a “Free Press”, the leaders of the United States of America should have absolutely no problem with the “Truth” being revealed to the rest of the entire world. This is exactly what being an “American” is all about. Thank you.

    July 27, 2010 at 6:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Jesse

      Then I would sugget that Greg go with the whistleblowers and fight for the other side. Because it clearly evdient that you don't like the freedoms that you are enjoying now. So give us all a break and leave today to your brethren in the Taliban and Al-Queda. I will be looking forward to seeing you get yourself beheaded like the other AMERICANS that have been caught. Oh that's right you mouth off but you are too big a coward to fight for your freedoms.

      July 27, 2010 at 7:22 am | Report abuse |
      • Greg

        I was in the U.S. military and I regularly pi$$ed on punks like you. You are the type of guy who would murder somebody in "combat" and expect everybody else to look the other way. I'll bet you are hung like a pencil too. Anyways, I am glad that Julian Assange has the ba//s to do what is right and tell the "truth" to the entire world. Have a nice day pu$$y.

        July 27, 2010 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
    • KeithTexas

      I agree, the truth is only dangerous to Tyrants.

      July 27, 2010 at 9:18 am | Report abuse |
  25. DON ELLIOTT

    Yes this is the American way, sacrifice as many lives as necessary so that the rich can get richer, especially the defence contractors who are allowed to charge whatever they feel like. Could it be that the reason we are there in the first place is because of the great mineral deposits that were just recently announced?
    Ive said it before, these people will not embrace American ideals and values, and as soon as we exit Iraq and Afghanistan they will return to thier customs.

    July 27, 2010 at 5:58 am | Report abuse |
  26. db

    Do we enter war to lose? Why then ddo we let community organizers, women with no scruples, men who cannot run a business and are failures in life to run the people that have trained all their lives to win wars? Limited war is not worth a bucket of warm spit. All it does is get more people killed, wastes our money and materials, and makes us look like horses patuts around the world. This must stop if we intend to be the most powerful nation in the free world. Do you go to a major leage baseball or football game and expect them to play a limited game or do as they are trained? Our military should do the same and keep the 257 idiots in Washington out of the picture once you let the dogs run.

    July 27, 2010 at 5:46 am | Report abuse |
  27. mark5

    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
    John Stuart Mill
    English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)

    July 27, 2010 at 5:06 am | Report abuse |
  28. Michael Martinez

    We didn't go into Vietnam because 3,000 people were massacred on September 11, 2001. We DID go into Afghanistan for that reason. If we leave Afghanistan before finding a way to prevent the Taliban from creating a new haven for terrorism, we will have another September 11.

    Wikileaks is only engaging in espionage. They're not providing any transparency or revealing any new insights into the progress or conduct of the war.

    The people at Wikileaks need to go to jail for their criminal activities.

    July 27, 2010 at 5:01 am | Report abuse |
    • db

      Actually I thin it was Iraq and Sadam that we went after and now we are chasing our own tails over there.

      July 27, 2010 at 5:47 am | Report abuse |
  29. dwighth huth

    Jon please stop insulting yourself and your intelligence. There are not very many militaries in the world that can stand upto the military might of the U.S. Armed Forces. If you consider fighting against small groups of terrorists that would rather bomb weddings and funerals in any way fighters for any cause then perhaps you should go back and reread the history of great and small wars. Groups that have used bombers in the manner that they are being used have never won any type of battles. Eventually the populace will grow tired of their attacks even though they may at first seem to think that they are holy after a awhile the appeal will wear off. Even the bombers and terrorist's supporters will say that enough is enough after their own friends and family have been killed. The iron hand of despotic religious control over a people has never lasted very long. America knows this type of fight very well and will prevail in this fight against the enemy.

    July 27, 2010 at 4:59 am | Report abuse |
  30. Dameon

    These are times where the nation, as a whole, is beginning to doubt its own leaders. While it is good to question and hold accountable, while we must answer to the families of those serving in the military (thank you all, by the way), there needs to be that balance between the security of intelligence and the RIA (Right to Information Act) fulfilling its' true purpose: to inform the public when the government can't or won't answer for corruption and the like.

    As for this expose, I haven't finished reading it all, but I know that the military will not be happy. Look, there is a lot of information floating around out there, more than most of us would be comfortable with. So sooner or later, someone was gonna find it. Just my two bits. (In other words, don't start lecturing me; this is merely my opinion)

    July 27, 2010 at 3:57 am | Report abuse |
  31. Jake

    I support the War in Afghanistan. They were sheltering the people that attacked us, and we were forced to retaliate. However, we lost our way on March 20, 2003, when for some reason, our elected officials decided that it was in the United States' best interests to invade a nation with no connection to 9/11.

    I may support the current efforts in Afghanistan, but I also support a free media as the unwritten fourth branch of government, there to keep the first three transparent to the public. Daniel Ellsberg is not a traitor. Johnson knew that the Vietnam War would likely be lost, and yet he continued. How revealing this to the American public can be viewed as treachery to the American public is beyond me.

    Badge me as a liberal if you want, but it is men like Daniel Ellsberg who keep our leaders, elected by the men and women of this country, accountable to those who put them in power. And that is how a democratic republic works.

    July 27, 2010 at 3:44 am | Report abuse |
    • libertyrox

      Exactly right, Jake. I too supported going in to Afghanistan to root out bin Laden immediately, and then HUH? Iraq?
      Nobody can convince me that 8 years later, that is why we are still there.

      July 27, 2010 at 7:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Jesse

      If you aren't in the Viet Nam war then you have no right to judge whether or not Daniel Ellsburg is a traitor or not. But the men in my unit would have loved to have gotten him over there with us.

      July 27, 2010 at 7:26 am | Report abuse |
      • bear

        Didn't serve in Vietnam, not judging Ellsberg as to whether he is a traitor or not. But if he had not brought these things to light, how long would the politicians have drug that war out, And how many more lifes would have been sacrificed if the public hadn't gotten an eye ear full.

        July 27, 2010 at 8:45 am | Report abuse |
  32. Herman

    I am a Marine Corps, Vietnam veteran and can tell you the futility of fighting a war such as is being fought in Afghanistan. The similarities to Vietnam are too numerous to mention. The time passed long ago that this fighting had any connection to 9/11. This is simply a continuation of a policy of politicians refusing to show backbone and saying NO to generals and their wasting tax dollars on a war machine that is killing our economy besides our young men and women.

    July 27, 2010 at 3:22 am | Report abuse |
  33. bear

    Didn't need to hear about these papers to know that we are in the wrong place and the wrong time. Nobody that has invaded Afghanistan has come out a winner. The money spent would have gone a long way to repairing infrastructure and securing our borders. The numnuts in DC decided it would be cheaper to chase after individuals then spend money securing our borders. For the most part the Reps and Senators advocating war aren't sending their kids over, maybe if they were told their kids would be the first to go they wouldn't have been so quick to get us involved in a war that isn't winnable unless the whole country is turned into a big glass parking lot

    July 27, 2010 at 2:52 am | Report abuse |
  34. Tin

    Wow, do you people not know what the implications are if we just give up on this war?? Does anyone not remember why we started this war?? Over 3,000 innocent lives were lost because of what these people did (not the Taliban directly, but they harbored these terrorists). I don't know how many of you that are responding are Americans but if any of you are, I can't believe that you would just give up like that! I thought that the American resolve was stronger that this.

    July 27, 2010 at 2:39 am | Report abuse |
  35. Herman

    Politics aside, the fact is, we simply cannot afford to fund our defense the way we have for at least the past generation. We are enriching private firms who are in Afganistan and Iraq and getting rich off our tax dollars, while domestically our infrastructure is decaying.

    July 27, 2010 at 2:13 am | Report abuse |
  36. johny-s

    Remember that freedom comes reponsibility.. just like in press you can say anything so long as you will not tramp the freedom of others especially the innocent. example are you sure this leaked papers could not endanger the soldiers, who are doing their duty to let you live in freedom? think guys..

    July 27, 2010 at 1:49 am | Report abuse |
  37. John

    Anyone who hasn't been in our military and sacrificed themselves for this country really doesn't have any room to talk about these papers, imho.

    July 27, 2010 at 1:30 am | Report abuse |
  38. Serinanth

    Anyone read Killing Time by Caleb Carr? Leaked or constructed?

    July 27, 2010 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
  39. abba

    This is not a war, there will be no winner or looser, this is police patrol. it will last forever.
    just leave them alone let them have a freedom of their own

    July 27, 2010 at 1:20 am | Report abuse |
  40. John

    Pakistan. Don't they have nukes? They're a military dictatorship right? I know they've had martial law.

    July 27, 2010 at 1:20 am | Report abuse |
  41. Vikram

    I guess US should STOP * funding Pakistan all the countries money and TAX payers money to fight terrorism. Its utter foolishness to fund Pakistan which is the worlds capital of Terror camps and state of the art terror training center right under the nose of Pakistan Governemnt/ISI/Military etc. These bunch of idiots are known to support all kinds of terror factions and they will never give up their clan.

    July 27, 2010 at 12:29 am | Report abuse |
  42. Vikram

    I guess US should funding Pakistan all the countries money and TAX payers money to fight terrorism. Its utter foolishness to fund Pakistan which is the worlds capital of Terror camps and state of the art terror training center right under the nose of Pakistan Governemnt/ISI/Military etc. These bunch of idiots are known to support all kinds of terror factions and they will never give up their clan.

    July 27, 2010 at 12:28 am | Report abuse |
  43. Old INSCOM Analyst

    Heavens. If any further proof is needed of the failure of the American public education system, one has but to read these virtual scribblings, most of them of the genre Norman Mailer dubbed "latrine wall prose." It's not the positions, pro or con, that are so frightening, as the awesome ignorance and sheer irrationality they display.

    The only long-term solace is that by 2040 all this will have passed away as power shifts fully to Asia and Americans will again be a literate people, albeit in Chinese. (Do encourage your kids to learn Mandarin.)

    July 27, 2010 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
  44. Dennis 2547

    I would put Daniel Ellsberg in the same ugly mix as Jane Fonda. Ellsberg went to jail. Fonda is what she has always been. A wanna be, Hollywood star that followed the coat tales of her father, Henry Fonda, a Navy Veteran.
    I have zero respect for both of them. They live in a Country that has given them everything because of Men and Women whom have served in the Armed Forces. That is the truth.
    A retired US Army Veteran and Vietnam Veteran as well.

    July 27, 2010 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Tom Posey

      Dennis,get over that right-wing mentality please!

      July 27, 2010 at 3:59 am | Report abuse |
  45. windee42

    As a society we love the portray "whistleblowers" as some sort of courageous heros, exposing evil at their own peril. This cannot be further from the truth. These folks are usually self rightous egotists looking to make a name for themselves or trying to cash in on their betrayal.

    July 27, 2010 at 12:22 am | Report abuse |
  46. ChrisM106

    Mr Ellsberg, 39 years ago you betrayed the trust the country placed in you. Who did you lie to and what oath did you break and under what rationale. Somehow I don't think you're in any position to judge right or wrong on motivations.

    July 26, 2010 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Lawrence

    I am glad that some people have decided to put the bomb into this discussion...remember all you bomb lovers, that former President-select stated that the United States could withstand a limited nuclear war...now just how nuts is that talk...but, it was okay since he is an American...but, which part of the country gets to be sacrificed during that limited nuclear war...he and Cheney are not less ruthless than Saddam Hussein who Cheney help mastermind into power...but, that is okay since he was an American....sorry, I experienced first hand USARV staff meetings..and they were lying through their teeth about the Vietnam conflict...so, if this information rubs some nerves...just what do you want to know...just that we are winning even if we are not....just like the needed intervention in Iraq...every statement about killing off everyone that isn't American helps the enemy sell their story...doing something to help these people help themselves works much better...and remember the saying "better dead than red"....what happened?

    July 26, 2010 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
  48. mudbone9

    I say we tell the Chinese that they can come in after we leave. The prize is all the mineral wealth. I think that will make the Pakistani’s, Taliban and Iranians happy. "I make a special Wonton soup for you!

    July 26, 2010 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
  49. mudbone9

    Wow...another biased oppinion of the media. Will they ever just feed us the facts and let us come to our own conclusions.

    July 26, 2010 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Steve

    Mark, Pakistan DOES have the bomb...

    July 26, 2010 at 11:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Yes, but they're supposedly not run by the Taliban, quite yet...

      July 26, 2010 at 11:34 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Chuck

    Excuse but have all of you forgotten that Afghanistan was the staging place for the largest attack on US soil since WW2? As a committed democrat and member of the US military I wonder if Americans remember that fateful day. I remember it clearly, I was 11 years old in school in the Washington DC area. The fear I felt that day is something that I will never forget and never want anyone else to feel. So I support the war in Afghanistan(not Iraq) and will lay down my life in necessary to stop the individuals who would cause my countrymen harm.

    July 26, 2010 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Brian

    "Who needs 92,000 papers to tell us why we're in Afghanistan?Anyone with half a brain should know that we're there to help right-wing politicians promote their careers and line the pockets of these greedy war profiteers."

    What you say is only obvious. You would have to be born yesterday to believe that we are in Afghanistan for "freedom."

    July 26, 2010 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Mark

    I think we're just trying to keep the Taliban from getting the bomb. Once Afghanistan goes, Pakistan will soon follow and then they've got it. Isn't that a cheery thought?

    July 26, 2010 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      It's a horrible horrible thought that a rouge nation/ideology could push the BUTTON. But it has happened and will happen again when some group in the world is unhappy enough and has demonized the EVIL ENEMY!

      July 26, 2010 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Sgt USMC 63-69

    One more time..we cannot win in Iraq or Afganistan. Russia with all her force could not win. No one has ever won a guerrila war. It has nothing to do with how great our forces are or how much force we can bring to bear. It just cannot be done. You will never get the ragheads to surrender which is what must take place to win. You are fighting all the ragheads that come there to fight from every raghead country it is a "no win" situation. STUDY VIET NAM !!!!!!!!!

    July 26, 2010 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      I agree 100%. Almost nobody seems to respect our own history as revolutionary guerrilla fighters. That's why we kicked ass against the Brits. Scotland did the same against the Brits. The peons kicked butt in France. Irregular fighters will kick ass every time if they are the popular or feared force. Also it's obvious that long-seated widespread corruption will always trump a limited organized attempt at reform. To win a war you have to be willing to do collateral damage – as we did in WWII. I guess we are not willing to go there yet. I think we will have to go there in the long run because push will come to shove. Ultimately I think all this social stress is due to overpopulation.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marc

      Yep you right.. we carpet bombed all those Vietnam villages and it only made the NVA stronger as the war went on there was more ppl joining the NVA.. you must understand these "ragheads" as you call them desire a chance to fight a holy war known as a jihad.. they got everything they want – a battleground to die on for their holy war and all those ragheads will indeed flock from all Muslim communities.. Keep fighting its only going to breed more "insurgents"

      July 27, 2010 at 2:28 am | Report abuse |
  55. Flamespeak

    The massive amounts of 'leaks' Wikileaks are publishing are just being slapped on a website with absolutely zero fact checking to see if the information from the 'leaks' are truthful or not.

    To me, that discredits the entire thing. Since the 'leaks' have no longer have credit to me they carry no weight. I am not naive and I don't believe whatever the government tells me, however, I am not going to start believing what some random website starts churning out either if there is no way of validating their claims.

    Please, hold all sources of information accountable to proving their claims. CNN included.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
  56. BS Report

    "My strong expectation is these 92,000 pages will not convey any good reason"

    So, has he read anything or not? It sounds like he is mostly basing his opinion based on facts from Vietnam, not from any real facts relating to this.

    That said, it's time to fire the military and CIA. Both our post WII military and the CIA are largely structured along German lines(and in some areas, actually structured by former Nazis). Our defense establishment (choosing broad terms there on purpose) has proven since WWII that it's great at winning battles, but sucks at winning wars. Our 'part time' military preWWII did an alright job in the wars we handed it by my measure.

    The military is also like a hammer for our politicians... every problem is a nail.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      "fire our military" –Are you serious? Wow. Someone is taking national security for granted.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      This (Afghanistan) is not indicative of a problem with the military...it demonstrates an ongoing problem with the way that politicians use the military. They are not police, they are not "nationbuilders". They are effectively a machine designed to eliminate the "enemy". The problems arise when politicians stupidly attempt to use them in other ways.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • kieran walsh

      Can someone tell me which war (if any) the USA has ever won? I mean a real war against a country that has a real army.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chris

        Uh World War I, World War II, and the Persian Gulf War.

        I can go back another hundred or two hundred years if you need more?

        July 26, 2010 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dr Zen

        I believe Chris is misinformed. The Americans showed up late to the party for both WWI and WWII.

        In the case of WWI, it was definitely a team effort, with the stalemate broken by Canadian and Aussies followed up by masses of British and French forces. The Americans where notorious for not much but own their casualty rate.

        WWII, also a team effort, but most German forces were pitted against the USSR. The USSR won WWII.

        Korea... draw
        Vietnam... lose

        Go back in history if you like...

        War of 1812... border didn't move an inch and the Whitehouse and most of Washington was burnt to the ground... is that a win?

        July 27, 2010 at 1:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Matt

        Whether we arrived late or not, even if it wasn't our fight to begin with, we finished both WWI and WWII which ended in victories. Even if our land was scared. A treaty was signed, our efforts did not go unnoticed and we were noted as a force to be recognized. That's a win by all means!

        July 27, 2010 at 6:42 am | Report abuse |
  57. Brad

    Hey Phil,

    It is extremely important that the Press seeks out and reports on government misconduct. Without the Press doing this essential public service, Democracy falls apart.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • wHITE Hat

      Funny how CNN failed to mention Ellsberg's contempt for media's non-role / government – lap-dog stance in the war over the past 10 years...

      SHILLS!!!

      July 27, 2010 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
  58. Daniel-2

    Who needs 92,000 papers to tell us why we're in Afghanistan?Anyone with half a brain should know that we're there to help right-wing politicians promote their careers and line the pockets of these greedy war profiteers.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • nate paris

      you need to start thinking for yourself, it's very clear that you are media driving and cannot make independent thoughts. this war was never right wing driven,if that was the true case, why are we still there? Can you count?. let me help you.
      majority in the house.Majority in the senate. and the white house if you don't understand that then try finding a 7th grade Gov class at your local middle school.

      July 27, 2010 at 12:00 am | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        Come on,nate,When are you going to stop letting the MIC(military-industrial-complex) do your thinking for you?And I assure you that the right-wing news media has no influence on me like it seems to have on you,so please forgive me for thinking for myself!

        July 27, 2010 at 12:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Randy

      We have a Democrat President and Democrat Congress currently. They are doing nothing to stop this. You need to wake up and smell the stink in both of the parties. Track down the money and who is getting paid off from whom. There are businesses profiting from this war, and politicians filling their treasury to get reelected.

      July 27, 2010 at 12:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        Randy,how right you are!!!

        July 27, 2010 at 12:54 am | Report abuse |
      • david

        Randy, you also have the party of NO that wont let this president do very much

        July 27, 2010 at 6:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      Osama's first attempt to bring the towers down happened with the democratic party in office. Osama's failed attempt to bring down the towers occurred with Bill Clinton in office. Because of Clintons refusal to do nothing Osama was given a second chance with Bush in office which was a successful attack and caused 3000+ casualties. This war has nothing to do with which party is in office nor, does it have to do with oil. Osama blames the U.S. for his exile from his native country and for the fact that his parents disowned him. – learn your history!

      And I agree with the opp. Our government is corrupt and needs a massive overhaul. All the elected officials are too worried about being re-elected to address any real issues. "I am not gonna vote on that, I'm up for re-election." Really? Perhaps we can replace you with someone who will address the issue, whether you are up for re-election or not!

      July 27, 2010 at 2:41 am | Report abuse |
      • Mack

        @Matt.."Because of Clintons refusal to do nothing Osama was given a second chance with Bush in office". If one refuses to do nothing, does this not imply something is being done? Were you confused and trying to say; Clinton's refusal to do something? And if so, do you consider Clinton trying to take Osama out with a cruise missile as doing something or doing nothing? Clinton was in office for a total of 5 weeks when the first WTC attack took place. Are you suggesting that Clinton was more culpable for Bin Laden's ultimate success than GW Bush was? The same GW Bush who's administration was distracted looking for a pretext for war with Iraq and subsequently shamefully and willfully ignored warnings from top intelligence officials for his first 9 months in office that an Al-Qaeda attack was imminent? Since you admonish others to learn history, I'm sure you yourself are already aware of these facts. Right? Just search Richard A Clarke or 9/11 commission if you feel the need to fact check and brush up on your history.

        July 27, 2010 at 7:02 am | Report abuse |
      • Matt

        Yes, I did mean Clinton's refusal to do anything. I recognized what I had typed after the fact but did not feel the need to correct myself as it's pretty obvious as to what I meant. And Clinton's response was nothing more than a warning. So yes, Clinton was responsible for not eliminating the threat when the first attack occurred.

        And yes, it is common knowledge that CIA had advanced warning that a second attack was being plotted during G.W. Bush's term however the threat still persist from the previous administration which Clinton failed to eliminate by prosecution or execution. Which leaves the democratic administration responsible, not the republican party.

        July 29, 2010 at 3:47 am | Report abuse |
  59. Phil

    I think its a form of being a traitor to go public with this kind of information. The information was classified. And one has breached security by already illegally accessing it (even by having that level clearance and improperly disseminating it is misshandling of classified information).

    The person who accessed it and dissemintated the information puts an insurmontable amount of risk to our troops on the ground. People who do this are criminals and should be treated as such. Thier goal is nothing less than that of a starving newspaper reporter out to publish the day's top newspaper storyline. Fanatics who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves, trying to make a buck off their actions.

    The internet media and newspapers who actually bring these stories forth oubliclly are abettors to crime by reaching far more viewers imaginable, thanks to modern day technology, esp the internet.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jerry

      Phil,pleade get over your right-wing mob mentality and realize that this is a free country and people have a right to be informed.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • nate paris

        learn how to spell before you comment, moron. dar,dar,dar

        July 27, 2010 at 12:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Major Minor

      It's a crime that there are people like you who don't get the big picture.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mack

      Phil, bet you think the emperor's new clothes are just fabulous!

      July 27, 2010 at 5:39 am | Report abuse |
  60. Edward

    After all this info ,we need to bring our troops home and rebuild this country.Start up a new WPA and put everyone to work!

    July 26, 2010 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
  61. Thoughtful

    It may be that we are fighting two wars that we cannot win. If the Iraqis cannot make their own country safe for themselves, then they really don't have a country of their own... and if the government is as corrupt as reports suggest, then it is a hopeless cause and not worthy of American involvement. Afghanistan? The cost of American blood and treasure is horrific, and with what results after so many years? The Russians gave up and got out, and their methods were truly brutal. What, exactly, are we doing in those countries? Why are we there? Are the rules of engagement sensible and effective? Who, exactly, is the enemy? How many more American and innocent civilian are we and they prepared to experience? And has any cost limit been established? And what, exactly, do we - the US - get out of all this? What do "they" get out of all this? Is it worth it? These are the questions that require open and honest debate, and rational conclusions that lead to prompt action. Too much to hope for?

    July 26, 2010 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • AllAmerican

      How soon we forget. Guess we need another 9/11 and maybe 10,000 American dead before you pansy liberal idiots see the BIG PICTURE. The WORLD is a tough neighborhood, if you don't play rough and carry a big stick, you get rolled. Wake up and smell the global coffee, and remove those rose colored pansy glasses.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Uncle Sam

      As a career US military veteren who participated in both Iraqi and Afghan campaigns ,here are my answers to your questions.
      Q1: The cost of American blood and treasure is horrific, and with what results after so many years?
      A1: No more horric attacks against innocent americans and none on american soil
      Q2: The Russians gave up and got out, and their methods were truly brutal. What, exactly, are we doing in those countries?
      A2: We are different. We are not trying to occupy and actully care about what happens to Afghan citizens
      Q3: Why are we there? .
      A3: 9/11 and to try to prevent inhumane treatment to fellow human beings and because we refused to stand by and do nothing while fellow humans were being abused by Saddam's regime. Much like we did with Hitler.
      Q4: Are the rules of engagement sensible and effective?
      A4: Not always. They need to be fluid and they ned adapt to atmospherec changes
      Q5: Who, exactly, is the enemy?
      A5: Extremists (Al Qaeda, Taliban) and those who despise freedom and use violence to ANYONE who opposes their views
      Q6: How many more American and innocent civilian are we and they prepared to experience?
      A6: As many as it takes to protect our way of life
      Q7: And has any cost limit been established?
      A7: Freedom is priceless
      Q8. And what, exactly, do we – the US – get out of all this?
      A8: Continued freedom
      Q9: What do "they" get out of all this?
      A9: A Relentless Enemy who is committed to freedom
      Q10: Is it worth it?
      A10: Hell Yes
      Q11: These are. the questions that require open and honest debate, and rational conclusions that lead to prompt action. Too much to hope for?
      Q12: You just recieved one mans viewpoint

      July 26, 2010 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • John777

        Uncle Sam
        Very very well said
        After we helped drive the USSR out of Afganistan we were criticized because we did not stick around to help rebuild the country and we let it fall into chaos. After 9/11 we drove the Taliban out of power. We stuck around this time to help establish order. We are going to need help from the Afgans or this will never work.

        July 26, 2010 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • KU

        Stop policing the world......everything will normalize. As Ron Paul aptly said, classic example of a blow back.

        July 26, 2010 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • rrock

        And we prevented the potential stampede of elephants too.

        July 26, 2010 at 11:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • rrock

        A joke to think that Afghanistan war has anything to do with our security. It just creates more enemies.

        July 26, 2010 at 11:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Snoroof

        Here, here UncleSam, I agree with you 100%. I little care what the traitor Ellsberg thinks about anything.
        - a Vietnam vet

        July 27, 2010 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        John777,when are you going to realize that nobody drove the U.S.S.R. out of Afghanistan?They left on their own accord and that's that.

        July 27, 2010 at 12:47 am | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        How can anyone actually believe our politicians who say that the insurgents "despise freedom"? You believe that? REALLY? Maybe what they despise is the country who uses the word "freedom" to trick it's people into occupying other countries.

        And do you actually believe that these wars are somehow keeping our country safe? You don't think that we're just creating new enemies, ones that are p***ed off we invaded and destroyed their countries?

        You say we're fighting the people who use violence against anyone who doesn't agree with them, and in the same breath say we invaded Iraq to oust Sadam. Yeah he was bad, but is the country better off now? Methinks not.

        July 27, 2010 at 8:26 am | Report abuse |
      • BeachBum

        That's wonderfully put but guess what???? Violence begets violence. That means that while we're killing this generation, the next will fight us to avenge the deaths of their Fathers. This means, endless war. Diplomacy can work if we pulled back. War is not the answer. Yes we were attacked and responded accordingly, but 10 years at war???? Come on man.....that's crazy!!!!!

        July 27, 2010 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
      • The other Steve

        Joe... we created enemies just sitting around. These people view us as the enemy (and forever will) because they need someone to blame for all their problems. Last time I checked, we weren't at war on 9/10/01 with anyone.

        July 27, 2010 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
  62. katiepea

    i'll tell you what I THINK, i think i'm too proud of this country to let it have 0 accountability for it's actions and it rides the 'this is for national security' train waaaaay too often. this country needs a change, and more than just the color of our presidents skin. until the american people demand this from the powers that be nothing will ever improve. they'll just keep you at a level of poverty and ignorance and continue to do whatever the hell they want to do.

    iraq war veteran

    July 26, 2010 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Reddragon696

      I agree with you 100% concerning just how corrupt our government has become over the last few decades. Our President and members of Congress have long sense stopped caring what We, The People think. They are only interested in making sure that they continue to get reelected and thus have access to the 'money bank' of the American People. We as a society perpetuate this travesty by refusing to hold our 'elected' officials accountable for their actions. They have NO reason to fear retaliation from Us, The People and thus no reason to stop their egregious actions. When we allowed the bush Administration to get away with its reprehensible conduct we told future Politicians that they could continue to do whatever they wanted as we would NEVER hold them accountable.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Cynic

        Yes, that is why the so-called Candidate of Change (HA! What BS!) continues with the lies of his predecessor. But GWB wasn't the first, just another "yes man" to the powers that really control this country. If any heads should roll, it should be theirs. And we will NEVER see true change in this country until they do. We will NEVER stop fighting these useless wars and sacrificing our soldiers until they do. We are no longer America the Republic, but Amerika the Empire. You can't be a patriot of both, so what's your pleasure? Do you stand for freedom or do you stand with the Empire?

        July 27, 2010 at 8:31 am | Report abuse |
    • wr

      Well said, katiepea.

      July 27, 2010 at 2:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Cynic

      Thank you for seeing through the lies and ignorance. Very eloquently stated.

      July 27, 2010 at 8:26 am | Report abuse |
  63. jon

    All these war stories continue to point out just one thing - The United States of America IS RUN BY A BUN CH OF STUPID HORSES ASSES. They couldn't fight their way out of a paper sack!

    July 26, 2010 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jerry

      Well put,jon.You took the words right out my mouth!

      July 26, 2010 at 10:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      Just be sure you're differentiating between the political animals that run the government (and therefore control the military) and the solidiers themselves. There's absolutely zero doubt in my mind, and there shouldn't be in anyone else's, that if the military were "let off the chain" they'd own Afghanistan in about a week (oversimplification acknowledged). It's the morons in DC, people that aren't fit to carry the laundry of an American soldier, who manage to screw this all up. Somehow these fools have forgotten for 60 years (from Korean until now) that if you're going to use the military you don't do it in a half-assed manner. I guess it must be easy to forget that when you've never made the kind of sacrifices that our soldiers and their families make.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Christopher

        Only if they killed every single person in Afghanistan and glassed it, in which case the United States would be guilty of genocide!
        The fact is that the Afghanistan and Iraq war were N O T N E C E S S A R Y! (Repeat infinitely to get the point!)

        The amount of 'aid' that the Taliban was giving Al-Qaida was SERIOUSLY overstated. Iraq had NO, repeat, NO X INFINITY nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.

        Those were two wars that were totally unnecessary and that we only got into because intelligence was manipulated, if not outright FALSIFIED by War Criminal Bush!

        July 27, 2010 at 5:53 am | Report abuse |
      • In response to Christopher

        I wouldn't say that Iraq had ZERO WMDs... How else did they kill THOUSANDS of Kurds? You don't think they had more...? Don't be so blind, I agree the basis that we went to war might have been under false pretenses but the majority of Iraqis (I know because I've been there 3 times) are happy and thankful for the change we have brought to them... I met one Iraqi (our interpreter) who thought we were sent from god himself to rid them of the tyranny... Words from his mouth... Not mine...

        July 27, 2010 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
      • History Teacher

        Of course there were WMDs – we sold them to them. During the Iran-Iraq war, the US sold WMDs to the Iraqis in order to oppose the government of Iran.

        July 27, 2010 at 8:42 am | Report abuse |
      • Concerned

        Dear In response to Christopher:
        I know many Iraqis who are NOT pleased with what the US has done in their country. At least they weren't scared for their lives during the Saddam ruling. If they didn't mind the government and didn't get involved in political matters, they were fine. Iraq is an utter mess now.
        Also speaking of WMD, the United States of America sold WMDs to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war that went on for 8 years and the casualties were over 1 million. Politics is dirtier than you think. USA got involved in both Afghanistan and Iraq wars to be in the region and for no other reason. Bush didn't care about Osama bin Laden. He wanted to surround Iran from both sides so it could get what it always tried to get. This is very sad.

        July 27, 2010 at 9:26 am | Report abuse |
      • Manuel J.

        Also to Chris, the only reason the Taliban didn't provide more help to Al Qaida was because of funding, logistics, & support personnel. Had they millions of $$, thousands of troops, etc. they would have assisted in taking out more than the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

        As for letting the military loose. I'm a combat vet and all for it. If you honestly review how WWII was handled, and you used today's criteria, the entire U.S. Government could be tried for war crimes. The truth is, war sucks, it's brutal, and it's often a reflection of the government.

        July 27, 2010 at 9:32 am | Report abuse |
      • Jack

        "There's absolutely zero doubt in my mind, and there shouldn't be in anyone else's, that if the military were "let off the chain" they'd own Afghanistan in about a week."-Yeah, just like it was "let off the chain" at My Lai to fight a glorious, valiant battle against a bitter, powerful enemy, which led to victory in Vietnam and wonderful foreign relations overseas based on loving trust for all things American and goodwill, right Matt?

        July 27, 2010 at 9:36 am | Report abuse |
    • EISH5

      Netanyahu is the boss of us.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cattical

      Why does everyone forget that China invaded Vietnam after the US left? Why is it the "US's war", when we were only one of about 6 parties involved over 15 years or so.

      After the US left, China invaded North VIetnam and scorched the earth around the border with China as a show of force toward Russia. There was no official reason given. At least the US has some kind of cold war rationale, China invaded just to show Vietnam its dominance

      July 26, 2010 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Guest

        to Cattical: China invaded Vietnam because Vietnam invaded Cambodia to overthrown the murderous Khmer Rouge regime and China support Khmer Rouge.

        July 27, 2010 at 12:57 am | Report abuse |
      • Barnacle Bill

        China was in the war in Vietnam since its beginning. As with the Korean Peninsula, they are a big power, and they won't allow us on their border (any more than we'd allow them to run Canada). Bad politics & worse military strategy. We just didn't realize whom we were fighting till Nixon got elected & Kissinger went over to China. Nixon shortly followed and that ill-conceived war was quickly ended. Nixon may have been immoral, but he did have a backbone, and he was intelligent. We could use his like today.

        July 27, 2010 at 7:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Penny

      Jon My son is headed over there. what good does it do that our enemies know what is going on.. You are the Horse's ASS !!!

      July 27, 2010 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        Is he really,Penny?Don't you believe that the people have a right to be informed?I do.

        July 27, 2010 at 12:43 am | Report abuse |
      • Marc

        I admire your son for what he's doing but if we can't get accurate information Penny your son is like a pawn on a chessboard.

        July 27, 2010 at 2:31 am | Report abuse |
      • Mary

        Penny, I understand your pain. We can pray for the safety of our soldiers while at the same time demanding answers from our so-called "leaders." Surely you understand that our "leaders" who get us entangled in these foreign wars sacrifice nothing, while we, the people, who have to fight them, sacrifice everything. Our "leaders" put us in collusion with their evil actions by placing our loved ones in harm's way to carry out those actions. The least we can do is demand the truth from those so-called "leaders." THEY have a lot to answer for - if not here, then on Judgement Day.

        July 27, 2010 at 7:28 am | Report abuse |
      • Gilbetron

        Penny,

        You should be proud of your son, as I am, and I would hope you would like to know why he is being sent into the situation he is going into. More importantly, don't you want to know if he is being lied to and sent there for ulterior, unethical reasons? If my son was risking his life I would make damn sure those that send him are doing it for good reasons. You owe it to your son to do the same, help the truth come out and make sure our leadership is transparent with us.

        July 27, 2010 at 9:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Seebee ET

      Do better. Oh you can't. Stop all wars, right that gets us in even more trouble. Let everyone and their dog have nukes, bomb cities, do whatever.

      Bad enough we give money and food to bribe people that hate us to act HUMAN in the first place.

      Humans are based on violence, war and whoever beats who up wins. Not playing nice.
      And yeah guess what, when the cess tank spills over from countries to afraid to do anything against the violent nut jobs, and it comes into our yard yes we go to war to beat sense into people. Don't like it? THE WORLD ISN'T WIMPY AMERICA. Wha wha law suit, wha wha rights to break laws, i have rights rights rights. Wanna know what would happen in Iraq if you put a coffee cup in your crotch from the drive thru drove away spilled it on yourself and demanded millions of dollars....THEY WOULD SHOOT YOU. And bet no one would care. We have become amazingly weak, shelters and cowardly.

      You get and KEEP a country by fighting and protecting it. Ask the "native americans" awww don't like that?
      Let's let the illegals, drugs, gangs, guns, criminals, terrorists and all that just march in and see what happens when you don't have your cell phone and video game...or even any power or food. Why? Cause America crumbled cause we wouldn't get done what needed to be done and whined about rights so we gave up and let the cess pool over flow.

      Yeah go do something predictable like blame the president. Oh right he's not white, so blame bush or something stupid.
      You know why we went to war? 9/11 period. second? Well hell we don't like your terrorist training camps, 3 you make illegals drugs and we are sick of that to... hell add in they kick puppies for all I care. This country is way to comfortable already for its own good. Bunch of cowards who never seen the warzone let alone how struggling people live without Mcdonalds every 2 blocks.
      Real life is harsh. Go back to your xbox.

      July 27, 2010 at 1:57 am | Report abuse |
      • Seebee ET

        Oh and you DON'T have the right to be informed of anything.
        We protect you in the military we don't need MORON civilians doing something stupid. Like CNN throwing GPS cords of enemy prisoners, weapons caches, WMD (gee guess why we never TOLD YOU we found them) You have the right to know about crime down the street, a mayor taking bribes NOT every detail about a war that will be used by the enemy to kill our armed forces CAUSE YOU CAN'T KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT.

        Classified information. Need to know...

        and you don't. Your so unimportant in the equation unless you have a m-16 in your hand and are at enemy lines, you don't need to know. Say your kid is there you need to know? Don't know, cause your mouth and that info could get them killed.

        Today on CNN, moron Marine Mommy puts classified data on face book of marine battle plans gets 100 soldiers killed....

        It's coming.

        July 27, 2010 at 2:01 am | Report abuse |
      • mark

        way to go when i was in the nam people asked what we were doing . it was always just hanging around drinking beer. People can,t take what we do in war AT ALL . so they need to know nothing . and any one including soldiers who tell them .. well they dont want to know what ought to be done to them . so all the mommys and mommy boys and girls shut up and lets kill some folks

        July 27, 2010 at 5:11 am | Report abuse |
      • Cynic

        It's refreshing to see a soldier of the Empire expressing his contempt for the people he thinks he is protecting.

        July 27, 2010 at 7:47 am | Report abuse |
      • ljheidel

        Why is it that comments like this are always full of spelling and grammatical errors? I know. It's because the authors are usually ignorant and uneducated.

        July 27, 2010 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        FIrst of all, if you actually believe that Iraq had WMD's, you are an idiot. Second, how exactly does any of this put US soldiers in harm's way? Could you point out their locations on a map? Could you tell me where they are going to strike next? Can you tell me what they are up to right now? No. But I know what they've BEEN up to, and it's some f***ing evil s***.

        This is not the America they taught me about in grade school.

        July 27, 2010 at 8:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Marc

      @Matt yeah I agree.. its all the spoiled little brats that grew up living off of mommy and daddy who now are politicians and have their ties tied way too tight.. they think this world revolves around them and that they're smarter than everybody when in fact they are dilllusional, self-absorbed and have zero common sense and they think they have a control on everything..

      July 27, 2010 at 2:17 am | Report abuse |
      • Cynic

        You are right, except for one thing: Those politicians DO control everything. As for the "freedoms" our soldiers are told they are fighting for, there are none, except those which those same politicians let us have - for now! Our soldiers are NOT fighting for America the Republic; they are fighting for Amerika the Empire.

        July 27, 2010 at 7:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Jesse

      Yeah, maybe it is, but the horses a$$e$ that are fighting over there are the ones that are letting you put you idiotic comments here. If it wasn't for them you would probably be getting your mouth sewn shut. Whistleblowers should be shot on sight and hung by the side of the road. There is no excuse for someone exposing military files to anyone. I would just like to know who died and made him god?

      July 27, 2010 at 6:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Slick

      In order to write such a thing you must have read those 92,000 pages pretty fast, and have a record breaking ability to analyze the tactical/operational data from years ago into information that impacts the levels of national and international policy in terms of real time intelligence; or do you just have a fast mouth. The comparison between conflicts is unfair to say the least, and your cynicism toward the government is uncalled for. Show a little bit of restraint unless this is your only outlet to improve the world around you, but if it is by all means continue mission.

      July 27, 2010 at 7:44 am | Report abuse |