June 30th, 2010
10:51 AM ET

Your view: Success in Afghanistan

The situation in Afghanistan is intensifying. Record coalition troop deaths in June. Tumult and transition among the war's leadership. Another Taliban attack, this time on the Jalalabad airport.

Last week, Gen. David Petraeus told CNN that he supports President Barack Obama's July 2011 deadline to start withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan, a key point of contention between the president and many of his Republican critics in Congress.

What do you think? Will the U.S. meet the July 2011 date? How do you think the government should define success? How would you define success in Afghanistan?


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  1. dindy Sri lanka

    every one can do what they feel right . Not what the Holy spirit tell them within. So most plans of human beings end up in a big mess. No matter what we say or write ..it is not easy to dry the tears of many who lost their loved ones in these wars and brutal attacks by terrorists. How can anyone have a good sleep when we know most part of the earth is under the smoke of war .??? Lord !! have mercy and remind everyone to repent so the sins are forgiven and people will able to live and help each other .

    September 17, 2010 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Frank D'angelo

    Seems that we have learned nothing from the Soviet experience in that barren land. The people there lilke NO foreigners and never had. We can keep on poring billions there an sacrifice thousans of lives but the outcome will be the same: as soon as we leave whether now or 20 years from now the taliban will rise again like a Phoenix.

    August 18, 2010 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Tony

    If you are constantly defining and re-defining " success" , you have already lost. The correct term to use will be " face saving". Unfortunately history, culture, previous Afghan, and " America Vs Islam" environment created by the Bushies points to only one conclusion and that conclusion is not " success". The only thing that is not predictable in this case is the bady bags count before we pack and leave.

    Afghanistan could have been won much easily through indirect means like defeating the Russians. Once you as a outsider step into the country with a gun, regardless of your intentions, you are an " invader" and history shows Afghans have not been too kind to invaders.

    August 1, 2010 at 10:37 am | Report abuse |
  4. annette

    hahaha. This is the multi trillion dollar questions for which 99.9% of us, Americans will not have an right answer.

    July 16, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Dave

    May I be forgiven for my fit of anger and disgust with the state of our affairs!

    July 15, 2010 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Dave

    This question was due less than one year after the Afghanistan war was started, before the end of 2002 the latest. The administration of the day was busy making other war plans, bringing democracy to yet another place, awing the world with the American might which never ends what it starts. Can't you blockheads see the war was a failure since the day the Taliban and Al Qaida were allowed to escape from Afghanistan into the Pakistani fold? The precious ally in the "war on terror"?
    You still dream of success after seven years of failure; how long do you think it should take the mighty US and NATO to hang in there against a bunch of radical creeps, how long is it to claim "no cut and run" when in fact the cut and run happened long ago through mismanagement of the war?
    Success is what has been accomplished : ZERO< ZILCH!

    July 15, 2010 at 5:55 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Matt

    Someone tell that LTC in the pic that you cannot walk and smoke in uniform🙂

    July 15, 2010 at 9:37 am | Report abuse |
  8. Mohanad

    It is very stange to see the strongest country on the globe fights against inchoate horde and it can not achieve any success step!!!! I strongly belive that the god support them. do you belive like me?

    July 15, 2010 at 2:48 am | Report abuse |
  9. Kevin

    Leaving.

    July 15, 2010 at 12:24 am | Report abuse |
  10. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    Your both wrong... We need to train them to build their own homes and business!!!

    July 14, 2010 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
  11. George Williams

    I'm so tried of the Media in the United States reporting how many of our troops get killed everyday, and not reporting how many the enemy lost just to take out a few of our brave men and women.It's time for us to tell the world the enemy tally per day and per year we take out of this war.When I was in Vietnam, I remember the same thing "Headlines" XX number of Marines killed in battle . They never told the american people how many the that it took to take out 20 of us. It made the American solider proud to say, 120 against 900 and we kick their ass. It makes it a onesided loss when its always us.Let the world know who is the best and the enemy know we are keeping count. George Wiliams USMC

    July 14, 2010 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
  12. helenecha

    It is positive that U.S. has already won the exactly honest and power on behalf of The Justice. Of course, it is certainly expected to be possible for U.S. doing better without misgivings.

    July 14, 2010 at 2:15 am | Report abuse |
  13. TiredOfNoResults

    I am 100% behind the American soldier, but this war – if that is what you want to call it – is a waste of blood, money, resources, and time. Problem # 1 – Trusting politicians to make or approve military decisions. Let the military do its job. Problem # 2 – Allowing the media to dictate what information is presented to the public and to sway public opinion with "objective facts." It has been proven time and time again that media is nothing but a hindrance to achieving military objectives. Problem # 3 – Believing that people of Afghanistan or Iraq even want democracy OR that they can even successfully establish and maintain a democratic government. For thousands of years, they have lived under a dictatorial / tribal type of government. Do their cultural values even mesh with the the characteristics of democracy? I don't think so. Problem # 4 – Fighting a search-and-destroy / win the hearts and minds of the people type of war. Can you say Vietnam? Look how successful that was. It will never work. SOLUTION – Determine how much money this war has cost the U.S. and take that same amount from the resources of Afghanistan: oil, zinc, iron ore, precious stones, and maybe a couple of camels. Withdraw all troops and UN workers. Level every mountain range and cave in the country. Warn them that if they cause problems or ever become a threat to the U.S. again, we will send them a rainstorm of devastation they won't forget, a great lesson to any country that supports or harbors terrorists. It really isn't that complicated.

    July 13, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Chris

    We can win in Afghanistan. In the 80's we gave hundreds of millions to support the fight against the Soviets. Without our aid, and us providing the rebels with Stinger anti-air missiles to combat Soviet helicopters, the Soviets might have prevailed. History does repeat itself, but this situation is different. The Taliban is not backed by another Superpower. The Soviets fought the rebels that were supplied by a America. Now they have no major aid from any country with significant military capabilities.

    July 13, 2010 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
  15. Chris

    The main reason we are in Afghanistan still is because if you recall Pakistan is a nuclear armed state, in order to protect American soil from nuclear weapons smuggled out of an unstable region that supports terrorist organizations vowed to kill millions of Americans and American Allies. Bin Laden stated that he will not stop his "jihad" against America until around 4 million Americans lie dead, as payback for the crusades led by the European factions hundreds of years ago. I can't think of an easier way for al Qaeda to achieve this goal than the use of a nuclear weapon. The Taliban's extensive network across the mountains bordering Afghanistan and Pakistan create a haven for smugglers and extremists. If Pakistan's government were to fall, nuclear weapons would be up for grabs and would surely fall into extremist hands. We must counter this threat by dealing with the Taliban and extremists in this region and restore stability. This war is expensive and many soldiers have given their lives, but to leave without creating stability and eradicating corruption would result in the greatest threat to American and American Allies homeland; nuclear fallout and millions dead. Our soldiers are giving their lives to protect their families and fellow Americans at home from this grave threat.

    July 13, 2010 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
  16. Teddy B

    Before you decide what should be done with Afghanistan, PLEASE learn the history – at least the last 50 years – of Afghanistan. If anywhere on Earth this was true, history repeats in Afghanistan.

    With that said, if "nation-building" were necessary anywhere... Afghanistan would be the place. It could be a peaceful country that is self-supporting, with a thriving mineral industry and host many technical jobs/companies... but there is a gang, the Taliban are like a cross between gangsters – organized crime – and religious zealots. At any cost they want to take control of the country... and that cannot be allowed, period.

    Leaving Afghanistan early... giving up will result in all efforts to date being wasted... all lives lost would have died in vain... with the LIKELIHOOD of being drawn back in at a later date, and starting from scratch. It won't take much, just the emboldened Taliban threatening neighbors or the terrorism petrie dish overflowing from the perfect growth environment...

    July 13, 2010 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
  17. Daniel J

    I also need to say that this July11th deadline is to send a message to the Afghani's that we don't plan on being around forever and get your butts in gear. However, we will go over the deadline until Afghan military and police are well trained, and there's a stable government. We have to get rid of Karzi, his brother is a drug lord for christ sake. He's corrupt and that election was a joke. He needs to be replaced by someone we can trust and the Afghani's trust. I'm sure such a politician exists over there. They also need a job creating economy otherwise they will turn to the Taliban, which lets face it will always be there, we just have to deminish their strength to the point where they no longer are a threat. I think education is important. We need to capture the minds of the youth there so they aren't indoctorated with theocracy, and build a nation in the mid east that we can rely in comming decades. With that, I pass.

    July 13, 2010 at 12:45 am | Report abuse |
  18. Daniel J

    What we need to be doing in this year that we have is help create a stable government with out Karzi because he corrupt. We need to train professional soldiers and police, we need to create jobs, get rid of the poppy fields to put a choke hold on Taliban resources. Replace the crops that will help sustain the population, and subsidize the difference in income between poppy plants and a replacement crop. Like we do ethanol. We need to create jobs because they become guns for heir for the Taliban. We need to accomplish this before or close to July 11th. After that we need to draw down our forces, have afghan forces take over. However, I believe we need to have special forces on the ground secretly, I also believe we need to increase our drone program so that we can destroy targets of opportunity or find hide outs for our special forces teams to take out. This way we keep the Taliban in check and the American people don't have to read the dailey casualty report and become even more in dismay. We should also up manned aircraft missions as well, for targets of opportunity and inform special forces of enemy Taliban. Basically how the Clinton Administration dealt with Saddam, except with special forces units and a lot more air power over the skies. You have to fight guirillla warfare with guirilla warfare. Have we learned nothing from Vietnam on how to wage war on guirilla warfare (not that we should have been in Vietnam in the first place. Two decades from now will judge if we should have gone in, how we should have handled it, and whether or not it was a success. I think history will remember this as a forgotten war that became important again, and because of its neglect we had to cut our losses. Thank you Bush Administration for one more black eye in the history of the United States,

    July 13, 2010 at 12:33 am | Report abuse |
  19. Tim

    I don't think that the July 2011 date is realistic at this point. While US and coalition forces are doing well, the ability of Afghan National Government forces to pick up the slack is questionable. The ANG is weak and corrupt, and cannot control large parts of the country, and so provide security and services. Until that gap is closed, there is a real danger of the country losing effective control of certain provinces or areas, to Taliban or to other groups or factions.

    Further, US and coalition forces cannot leave until the murder – Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawarhi [spelling] are caught or killed. We cannot let al-Quaeda remain in the area, with the possibility of re-emerging if fundamentalist elements control the country or certain provinces.

    This is a war that was ignored for too long. We do not have to defeat the Taliban to win. We have to kill or catch the murders of 9/11, and leave a country that will not immediately disintegrate after we leave. If not, we risk having those murders re-establish themselves and continue to plan to kill innocent US civilians.

    July 12, 2010 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
  20. tim.marty

    I work in the field of defense procurement and part of the job requires an in-depth knowledge of what war actually is, which by the way seems to be something that most Americans and most civilians seem to fundamentally misunderstand. War is not some computer game and it is nothing like how it is portrayed in movies or in the popular media. Everyone is a loser in war – hell, do the Americans here have any idea what percentage of their taxes go to funding military spending every year, of which almost 80% of it is complete waste (ex. $20,000 toilets and everything else that goes with my job)? We are not getting the best security for the money – Congress knows it and so do our private military industrial firms. Victory, in the sense that American's will somehow see a benefit from this war, will never happen. This is just common business sense.

    The Americans are not liberators and they never were. We have always been conquerors there. Our vested interests, as Americans, are a stable Afghanistan from which to extract its natural resources – that is it. Building a democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq is about making itnernational corporations more established there. We will not see a victory in this war because Afghanistan will not become a stable democracy and any sensible government would have to immediately declare martial law when the US leaves – its borders are far from secure and ethnic conflicts are bound to take place.

    At this point, victory demands building the capacity of Afghan citizens to nonviolently organize (satisfies peace activists), securing the Afghan borderlands (satisfies the left), and capturing Osama Bin Laden (to please right-wing pundits). Afghanistan will be site of the next big genocide irregardless.

    July 12, 2010 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
  21. M Bielinski

    Some problems cannot be resolved in our lifetime. Those of us who live in the US or EU who have regular electricity, real roads, real drinking water, shopping markets and opportunity for education and employment will find it hard to conceive of the realities on the ground in Afghanistan. None of the above exists in Afghanistan, so where do you begin defining success? For me, it is a matter of planting a seed of hope, a demonstration of what life could be, and evidencing that some behaviors are not tolerated elsewhere.

    If we think that as a result of the multi-year, multi-national effort in Afghanistan the nation will be profoundly different when we leave then we are just kidding ourselves. Success for Afghan's can only be measured, at this point, in whether or not they have food on their table, safety for their children to attend school, and a future of hope that things, as bad as they may be right now, will eventually change for the better.

    What needs to be done to make a permanent change will take decades. It took that long for all civilized countries and Afghanistan is no different. Change takes time.

    July 12, 2010 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
  22. Virendra

    The war in Afghanistan is a total failure if an Army like US is not able to win a war in Third world country like Afghanistan there can be no greater shame for a great country like US

    July 12, 2010 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
  23. Usman

    "David Petraeus told CNN that he supports President Barack Obama's July 2011 deadline to start withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan"!!!! Why?!! This gives a clear answer to the above question, all people esp Amaricans know very well that USA is compelled to withdraw troops from the land of Loins!!!! The graveyard of the super power nations and terrorists!!!

    July 12, 2010 at 4:14 am | Report abuse |
  24. ABDUL KHALIQ

    "SUCCESS' IN THE TINY IS NOT POSSIBLE UNLESS IN THE WHOLE REGION. AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE UNTILL THE GREAT WAR WITH STICKS AND STONES.

    July 12, 2010 at 12:57 am | Report abuse |
  25. ABDUL KHALIQ

    WE SHOULD ASKE FROM THE BUSH ADMINSTARTOIN ABOUT THIS SUBJECTIVE TERM "SUCCESS". BETTER OFF, AT THE COST OF OTHERS,NEVER ACCEPTABLE AT ALL;LETS THE WORLD BE FREE AND IT IS THE BEST LIKE A "LAISSEZ -E-FAIRE" IN THE ECONOMICS; RATHER A DIRTY INTERFERENCES OF THE STATES ,INCLUDING THE U N O?

    July 12, 2010 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
  26. Vin

    It is quite evident that the plans of the current moment are not working very effectively, however, I do see it important for us not to simply ditch the nation that we have, for all intents and purposes, usurped their sovereignty. It seems that the best course of immediate action should be to hinder the Taliban and in that manner secure a future free of them for Afghanistan. The military operation of today, as we all know though, is not working, and I think a different approach to taking on terrorists should be investigated. A military is quite easily observed and avoided by terrorists and so possibly a smaller less publicized effort would be more effective?

    On a more important note though I do think that control of the nation should be returned to the people. The United States should not set up a government, nor should it have any influence on what form of government that the people choose to set up. We should attempt to understand that our cultural view point is not always correct, nor is it really our right to impose it upon another culture. We should let them do what they do, and remove ourselves from playing "Civilization" with another nation as if it were a game.

    So at this moment I see success as a removal of the Taliban, and a return of the sovereignty of Afghanistan to those whose nation it is.

    July 11, 2010 at 11:28 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Jason M

    Success wont come until we fix everything WE BROKE. Then we need to get out. We put in a democracy, and I really don't think that is the best form of government for that region, and if it does not work then we just have to move one. Apologize, and go back to Isolationism.

    July 11, 2010 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
  28. shortbaldman

    We've made the same mistake in Afghanistan that we've made in Vietnam. We've joined one side of a civil war, and it doesn't matter how long we stay, how much we spend, how many soldiers we lose, eventually we will have to go home poorer in pocket and soldiers. The Afghanis are going to win this war, whether we like it or not. Just like the Vietnamese won their war.

    As with the Vietnam war, the sooner we admit this, the sooner we can bring our soldiers home to safety.

    July 11, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Sam

    Success!!!
    Any half intelligent human being by now knows that there is no success in Afghanistan. Just wasting resources and wasting life of some of best Americans. Any Afghan side who wins at the end is anti America and at best a bandit. Afghanistan develops to Obama's private war as Iraq was Bush's war. Please wake up before these non-sense wars destroy us completly!

    July 11, 2010 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Nobody

    Were we trying to get a trade route to China? They could have built an interstate across China and we could have went the back way for the money spent and trauma to go through the Persian Gulf. (Do we really need to go to China to get our broccoli? Can't we just grow it here?)

    July 11, 2010 at 5:39 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Nobody

    Success in Afghanistan would be when all of the money currently used for military is used to educate these kids (both sides, all ages). Get them into decent housing, decent clothing, and healthy nutritious food on the table. When all of us have decent health care, and corporations prevent disease and sickness fore it is allowed into our environment. (Is there some endangered species over there that we can protect and declare a stop to this war because they might become extinct? That works sometimes.) When all of us can safely visit other countries and learn about different cultures. When corporations treat people with respect and we don't need wars anymore (they need to get more specific about the actual aggressors and chase that down rather than getting whole continents of innocent people involved in this stuff). When they argue this stuff out in college forums with all sides of the argument, not just one or two. When we actually know the truth.

    On religion: You have to remember that there is power in religion for people that are oppressed. (There was power in the churches for black people to overcome their oppressors in the south, for example. Women also, but more subtle. Women have to protect children and will go through all kinds of stupid things to protect their kids.) I don't think you can take religion away from people when they are dealing with oppression. Hopefully as they gain their own financial stability they will start to exert their own agency (ability to move freely in society) in the world. And we probably wouldn't see the extremes that we are seeing now. We all lose when we fight. We would all do better to combine our efforts toward getting our kids what they need to do well and have nice lives. Whatever country you happen to live or be born in. They should all have equal power. (no superpowers...sometimes a smaller country might come to better solutions quicker than a larger one just because they are smaller and more agile for change...like corporations vs. small businesses.) We all need a middle class. Oil is just one thing. It's not everything. There are ways to get power from ocean waves, the sun, wind, all kinds of things that have to be better than war... for the rest of us. The focus is wrong here. This has to stop. We need to work together as a world...as one human race. We can do this if we just get the right models in front of people. (Killing each other is an old model, but not the smartest model. We are smarter than that. We can do better than this.)

    July 11, 2010 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Peter

    LEAVE

    July 11, 2010 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
  33. mass19delta

    There is no way that there will be a victory in Afghanistan. The country has never been beaten in the history of the world. Alexanders army spent 3 years there and lost 50,000 men. It was his longest campaign. The Russians lost there also. I don't know what makes the American leadership think that we are going to win. There is no such thing as winning a war. If one american has died then we already lost.

    July 11, 2010 at 9:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Nobody

      My question would be why? Why do we feel the need to conquer anyone? (I think they are trying to put bases there to protect Israel in the middle east. I'm starting to think the whole world would send Israel money to build something like this: thevenusproject.com/technology/cities-in-the-sea . Save everyone the trauma of what they are going through today. Watching sea life is a spiritual experience (except when the big fish eats the smaller fish, but someone can write a parable about that)...let's just go with that. Peaceful, above politics, poverty, war. They like technology. People have built things like this before. They are beautiful. Let's just change the models. Throw something more appealing up as a model. (Religions look backwards too much. We need to look forward.)

      July 11, 2010 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nobody

        They could probably power it with wave energy, solar, wind. They probably wouldn't even need oil. And they could keep the toxic products out of their system also.

        July 11, 2010 at 5:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nobody

        I don't think religious models are going to get us where we need to be. People under duress will look to religion to find safety in numbers. People find strength in churches when they are oppressed. It looks like hope. In very stressful times, people look to God (for hope). But, in order for us to get along and stop killing each other, we need better models in front of people. This one is interesting: thevenusproject.com/technology/cities-in-the-sea rather than fight over land. there are a couple of countries that have made islands in the sea. They aren't killing anyone (that I know of).

        I still like this one as a base: mitworld.mit.edu/video/729 but the books are much more in depth. I would highly recommend reading In A Different Voice, The Birth of Pleasure, and The Deepening Darkness.

        July 11, 2010 at 5:35 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Dave

    I would define success in Afghanistan as a time when the laughter of Aghani children can drown out the sobbing of the families all around the world who have lost someone ine the AOR. Of course, I don't care how the administration measures success, I just never want to come back here (Afghanistan) again.

    July 11, 2010 at 3:10 am | Report abuse |
  35. bugspray1

    Success would be if we get to keep all the minerals that have been discovered there.

    July 10, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
  36. billy goat

    i mean trillions in minerals

    July 10, 2010 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
  37. billy goat

    get out now, and let the country choose its own way. the trillions of oil is the only reason we are there and having lived in around the world not one country wants usa influence anymore unless they are in conflict with another country or group. i havent been in any country that trusts the usa after cheney the real president ended the term. the wealthy want usa in their countries if they are about to lose power.

    July 10, 2010 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
  38. FatLazyIgnorantSUVDrivingPigAmericanIdiot

    The only success would be to sincerely admit that we can not win this war and we will not continue this fight and losing American lives. Period. Then we leave, slowly, whatever, but leave. And never let a moronic President get us into this situation again because we have the balls to admit we can learn not to repeat our mistakes.

    July 10, 2010 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • evenhead

      umm we are in this war right now, and what would be the point of fighting if we let afghanistan get taken over again by the Al Qaida, again? They would just use it again to stage attacks on american soil, just like 9/11. I don't want those b@st@rds to have a quiet place to sleep after what they did, I either want them to be constantly looking over their shoulders wandering if there's a sniper sighted on them or more preferably their @sses in jail or shot.

      July 10, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        Or getting a stiff neck from constantly looking up and hoping they can outrun the Predator Drone following them.

        July 10, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • bangash

        Now this is not an option to leave Afghanistan ort retain it. Now it is upto Afghans whether they leave you or make you a lesson for future invadors. Remember Afghans soil is known for defeat to all the big one in world politics.

        July 14, 2010 at 3:20 am | Report abuse |
  39. bangash

    SUCCESS depends on intentions. REMEMBER this land is responsible for all big changes in human history. If intentions are similar, we see since last two hundred years, then result is also similar, just turn back and see the fate of British and then asses which is undoubtedly a clear defeat. If intentions are reconstruction of Afghanistan and help the regional states in jointly working against extremest tendencies, restoring human rights, sending back all troops, replacing it with professional and technical human force to restore order in public services. This will make Afghans your friends otherwise they are already behind all those who have destroyed their country.

    July 10, 2010 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
  40. rmsbl4

    WHAT SUCCESS?

    July 10, 2010 at 6:12 am | Report abuse |
  41. CCB

    The earthquakes are caused because there is too many explosives going into the earth. Iran nuclear tested next thing you know Samoa has a killer earthquake at the other end of the tetronic plate. If America had a huge earthquake it only has itself to blame. Pay back for the oil leak. Oil is not a natural resource its suppose to be in the earth Duh. It dosnt take an Einstein.
    USA wont just stop at Afganistan. They will keep going and going. The world is over populated so its at least getting rid of some of the population may it be USA or middle eastern people.
    And by the way what happens if the middle east doesn't want to have a democratic rule what if they would like to do things their way GOD FORBID.

    July 10, 2010 at 3:34 am | Report abuse |
  42. GABRIEL

    Genesis tells how the Hebrew god, Yahweh, "...saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and was grieved in his heart. So Yahweh said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am grieved that I have made them.'"[2]

    Yahweh selects Noah, a man who "found favor in the eyes of Yahweh"[3] and commands him to build an ark[4] to save Noah, his family, and the Earth's animals and birds. After Noah builds the ark, "all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened"[5]. Rain falls for 40 days, the water rises 150 days, and all the high mountains are covered.[6] On the 27th of Cheshvan of the year 1657 from Creation, "the earth dried" (Genesis 8:14) completing the 365-day duration of the Great Flood. The ark rests on the mountains, the water recedes for 150 days, until the waters are gone and Noah opens up the ark. At this point Noah sends out a raven and then a dove to see if the flood waters have receded. Noah and the animals leave the ark, Noah offers a sacrifice to God, and God places a rainbow in the clouds as a sign that he will never again destroy the Earth by water.
    Islamic
    The Quran tells a story similar to the Judeo-Christian Genesis flood story, the major differences being that only Noah and few believers from the laity enter the ark. Noah's son (one of four) and his wife refused to enter the ark thinking they will manage the flood by themselves. The Quranic ark comes to rest on Mount Judi, traditionally identified with a mountain near Mosul in modern Iraq; the name appears to derive from the local name of the Kurdish people.

    So, what seems to be the problem here?

    July 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • billy goat

      religion is the evil of mankind.

      July 10, 2010 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      HE is an abbreviation of High Explosive. It must be a bad copy of the Bible you are reading it wasn't invented then.

      July 11, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
  43. Kevin

    The taliban are, in my view, regional thugs. Bad for culture, women, children, business to be sure, but basically they provide a service to the desperately poor, namely; food, clothing, housing, and a sense of empowerment, even if it means a shortened life by means of suicide.

    Al qaida is the real news. Even taliban leaders are beholden to those guys for money and strategems. From what I can tell, those plots are being foiled mostly by secret service-type operations, not troops in the dirt. Give the taliban enough rope and they'll hang themselves in Afghanistan, in the eyes of their neighbors.

    They must mature at their own pace and without our troops to blame their troubles on. Use an overwhelming "eyes on" strategy and let it go.

    July 9, 2010 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • dindy Sri lanka

      Kevin...what you write is correct. Hope the others who read it will. agree.

      September 17, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Kevin

    When was Afghanistan ever a success as a nation? At this point even a "mexican stand-off" between warring sides would serve as a slice of peace. Blanket the place with drones and wilderness/urban cameras and leave. Surveille that country tighter than frogs' yoohoo and play whack-a-mole for a few years.

    July 9, 2010 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Great, so we get off of Mid-east oil, buy ourselves those good Afgan-lithium powered cars, and for our billions invested they over-run a nuclear tipped sub-continent? Would that really be a successfully revitalized Afghanistan?

      Or are we supposed to be watching for a rainbow, I'm not getting these definitions right, I'm sure...

      July 10, 2010 at 5:19 am | Report abuse |
  45. Matdfw

    Problem in Afghanistan will never get resolved and US never will win, until problem with Taliban in Pakistan get solved. There are radical schools called madras which promote radical ideas.

    But Pakistan can never handle Taliban in their territory. It is very complicated. So I do not see a real solution or end for US. When we leave in Afghanistan, Taliban in Pakistan will push their radical ideology back to Afghanistan and take country back to 2000 years ago.

    In any case, US should invest in structures of Afghanistan, such as schools, roads, electricity, jobs for local people, food, reason to change. But we only see a solders but no investments in structures, security and others.

    There is also a relationship between radical in Pakistan and Afghanistan to Israel-Palestinians conflict. US must also focus or another mean force Israel leaders to come to table and come with a two states nation.

    Middle East is a complicated territory, unless you resolve all issues, there would be no win or respectable exist from Afghanistan. Things will get even worse after US exit.

    July 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
  46. MikeJ

    Success in Afghanistan? Osama Ben Laden's head on a stake and Taliban destroyed. Anything less is a waste
    of time, money, and American lives.

    July 9, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
  47. CCD

    It's already been a success in that Al Qaeda has done nothing since 9/11 and the country's terrorists and Taliban for the most part went into hiding. Unfortunately, we did not continue to apply the pressure and so we have this quagmire. Success id defining what you want out of the deal and acheiving it. I would like to see us leave the country and have the Afghans get their act together – but that ain't gonna happen.

    July 9, 2010 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
  48. CGeorgeK

    Success in Afghanistan would be withdrawing the troops immediately – so they can stand in the unemployment lines with many of the rest of us... so they can personally experience the economic tragedy these wars have caused in this country as result of pursuing the fantasies of Generals fueled by our big business sucking Congress.

    July 9, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • CCD

      That's a tired story. Blame the economic tragedy on this operation. Granted, the amount of money spent is tremendous but the economic decline had as much to do with idiotic consumers over-spending, buying things they can't afford, like houses, knowing that someday the rise had to fall. The government simply has to stop spending money it can't possible recoup – hear that President Stimulus?

      July 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Dianne

    We went in and bombed the place after 9/11...supposedly going to get the terrorist leader, Bin Laden, and dismantle the terrorist network. I say we drop everything and leave – bring our people home quick or we'll be there with the same unresolved mission torever.

    July 9, 2010 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
  50. mike

    We should either turn our troops loose and have them destroy the Talibans' ability to fight or get out of the country. We do not need another Vietnam where we fight for fightings sake. Either win the war or come home and let them alone.

    July 9, 2010 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
  51. bill

    Eight odd years, what have we accomplished? Bin Ladden is still alive living next door. Taliban still there. Afghanistan central government non functional and have little control of the population. The place is a basket case sucking our lives, blood and billions of dollars.. Even if we take Kandahar we would not solve the problem because it is a big country and they can also move in and out of Pakistan. Pakistan does just enough in their end as long as we bribe them with billions.
    I dont have a solution but our government does not have one other than changing generals.
    At the same time, every month terrorist are arrested all over the place. Most of them are Arab and Pakistani. Sooner or later one of them will get through and do damage here or Europe.
    Why do these people hate us? Three reasons, the first and primary fuse is the support for Israel. The other two reasons are invention of Iraq and Afghanistan. Even if we are able to solve the later two, as long as there no solution in Palestine, cancer will keep on spreading.

    July 9, 2010 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
  52. john fernandes

    LEAVING ALIVE

    July 9, 2010 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
  53. Tim

    "Success" is leaving a Afghanistan where soccer stadiums are used to watch soccer games,...

    For all of you "Armchair Rangers" out there, I would leave tactics to the men who we pay to design them: the military.

    I wonder why we would announce where we are going to push troops? Perhaps it's so we can watch the enemy scurry away,...

    July 9, 2010 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
  54. Peter

    The Afghans people have stand up against the fundamentalists that just want to downgrade their country to the dark ages. While the Afghan villagers keep on siding with the other side, then we may be fighting a losing battle. It is unfortunate that it was let go for over 7 years and now we are trying to do something; which may too late.

    July 9, 2010 at 7:13 am | Report abuse |
  55. gray

    i dont think the US should deploy anymore troops there bring them back not all at once because them it will leave a door open for new stuff but get them back some how and stop sending troop in war without no end and a war for no reason

    July 9, 2010 at 1:08 am | Report abuse |
  56. Rick

    A Saudi citizen was just stopped from selling his daughter to settle a debt! The culture of much of the Muslim world is so backwards that it is comical to the rest of the world. Religious people no longer have any authority in the West and the progress that has been made towards sanity and right-thinking, can't be stopped by a bunch of fools holding a Holy Book!

    July 8, 2010 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Sandra

    Let's just pack up and go home.

    July 8, 2010 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      That would make things worse not better!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • CCD

      That's a real solution. Take your ball and go home crying. Nice. I'm glad I'm not your kid.

      July 9, 2010 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Rick

    When the rule of law is established in Afghanistan, and the tribal leaders submit to it willingly, we will have achieved success. It is highly unlikely we can change this way of life. The tribal leaders are concerned with maintaining their own power and personal authority. Until there are more Afghan's who think this way, and are prepared to back this with force so the locals submit, true rule of law will never be established.

    July 8, 2010 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Amen to that too!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Troy

    At this point in time i cannot say whethter the 2011 time span will be met, with that only time and progress will tell. The United States government should define success just the same as they always have defining it. To disrupt, dismantle, and defeat the Taliban. Those are the three key objectives to winning this war. My personal definition of success in Afghanistan is closely similiar to Obamas strategy but i would focus more on arming the afghanistan police and trainning them well. If we so win this war it will be like blow out a trick candle with the Taliban. when you blow thw candle it will go out for a little bit but after while it will light right back up. That what we need to watch we need to make sure either we completely destroy the Talibain, or they'll just keep coming back!!!!! But as said its not just Americas war its the worlds war we just play a big role in the war because we Americans are the leaders in democracy.It is really the people of Afghanistan that should really do all the can to defeat the Taliban. As JFK said in his inagural "We dont always finds them supporting our views, but we aways hope to find them strongly there own freedoms: and to remember in the pass thoghs who foolishly saught power by riding the back of the tiger ended up in side.

    July 8, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Amen to that!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Achmed

    When every last towel is blown off and burning in the sand.

    July 8, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
  61. c.kesk

    it looks very much the Vietnam...corrupt local governmenrt ally
    daily report of enemy being killed (vietcong in the former case....) and lots of bombs and slaughter of innocent civilians..
    and a tragic end....life is full of lessons for the ones eager to take lessons..and life is full of agonies for the ones who insist not to take lessons..for more dollars to be spent on military industry and exploitation of local resources...
    still wasting time here on debating aboıut acid thrown on women....how much do you really care...!!!!!!!

    July 8, 2010 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Name one Country that isn't corrupted??? Look what is going on in the United States today!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Tom

    Militarily, Afghanistan is a waste of time. I spent a year in Ghazni, Afghanistan. This war will only be won by cutting off their access to funding. When the Taliban can't run to the local Wal-Mart to get a bag of paperclips, then we will have removed their threat. We do not have the hearts & minds of the people. The nation of Afghanistan does not hold their allegiance, their focus is on their clan and village.

    July 8, 2010 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      If you get the People to take care of themselves... Then they won't be able to come back again to train to kill us!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Matt

    Obama and his bunch of morons are going to lose this conflict with their stupid strategy. The young Afghan government can't even wipe its own butt let alone defend itself against Taliban or El Quida.

    Vistory is measured when the Afghan military can function on its own, the citizens start turning on the insurgents and exposes them, and the citizens are confident their government is capable of protecting them.

    July 8, 2010 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      We were losing both with Bush as President... Now with Obama we have a chance to win it!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
  64. redder than harhar

    simple..I define success by pulling out of there..and let that medieval culture and mentality roam these lands as they want I mean it's "their" culture after all, just like the rest of the middleastern cultures nowadays born out of the womb of religion while it should have been the other way around maybe that explain the lack of "rootedness" in "all" of the middle east's countries today.

    July 8, 2010 at 7:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      Except that some Afghans welcomes Al Quiada. The idea is to establish a nation that refuses to harbor enemies of the US. They're in Afghanistan, because that is one of the places where they can operate with impunity.

      July 8, 2010 at 4:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      That is not success... If we pull out now they will just come back and start all over again!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
  65. archangel88

    Wipe out the Opium production for good and bomb the fields if they grow it again. When the opium trade is wiped out that is success on a grander scale than anything else.You will not believe how much interesting change that will bring in that region. Except for the Australian government no other coalition force has ever expressed concern, that during the time of this occupation Afghanistan has record crops ( and I guess sales). The question must be asked, why are there now record crops, who is buying the opium and were does the money go from the opium sales?

    July 8, 2010 at 6:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      We teach them to grow Corn and Rice and they would make more money that way!!! Look at Thailand they do it...

      July 8, 2010 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Confused Child

    I get we are mad about 9-11 and oil but honestly, is this whole war worth it?! We are losing HUMAN BEINGS. Loved ones of mine and others are being blown up and shot at. Dying in a stupid, useless, progressless war! My mom is a single mother with three kids who tries to make ends meet! How is this fair that we have to pay for a war WE DON'T EVEN NEED!?!? Does anyone ever think about little girls who have to find out there daddy has been killed overseas?! Or how about a little boy who learns there mom has been blown up?! I only have one thing to say OBAMA! GET OFF YOUR ASS AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!!!!!

    July 8, 2010 at 1:48 am | Report abuse |
    • One of Your Troops, a Son, a Father, a Grandfather

      Unlike the news reporters that know bad news sells, I have the oppurtunity to see first hand what the world's nations are trying to do for this country. I am the only son of my parents, a father of 5 children, a grandfather to a grand-daughter I have only seen once, and I along with my son-in-law and daughter are here fighting to help the Afghan people get back on their feet after decades of someone else trying to rule over them. Freedom is not free...our own country had to learn that during our fight for independence from England. We did not stand alone as the French came to our aid. I am proud of my family for stepping up and serving in our 100% volunteer military service. If the coalition forces would pull out now after digging deep into this commitment, our stronger enemies would come here and establish themselves. Imagine we can either be here teaching the next generation that most of the world cares and have thousands of muslim allies...or we can pull out showing the children of Afghanistan that we don't care if they have a better life than their parents and your children will have thousands of enemies bringing this "war" to your land. Check out a NIPR website: http://www.ntm-a.com to learn more about what the news reporters aren't putting on TV.

      July 8, 2010 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
      • Angle

        Sir you have my deepest respect for what you are doing. Stay safe and stay strong.

        July 8, 2010 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      It will be worth it is they keep the Tarriest out of Their Country!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.

        Angel: You got that right!!! The Good People are winning...

        July 8, 2010 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
  67. TOMAS

    TOTALLY AND ABSOLUTELY ,, THE USA MUST WITHDRAWL FROM THE STUPID AFGHAN LAND.
    YOU SPEND MONEY, ENERGY, OR EVEN LIFES FOR THE WAR THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE.
    THERE ARE ' MANY' LIKE AFGHAN IN THIS WORLD, EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY , INDONESIA.
    SO , YOU WANT TO PLAY THAT KIND A OF GAME, IT IS UP TO YOU..

    July 8, 2010 at 1:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      We can't take care of every Country in the World... But we sure can finish the ones were are in now!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Rene

    I believe we have to stay in Afghanistan for decades to come.
    After WW2, it took nearly 50 years for tensions between east and west to subside. The cold war.
    I believe that after the hot war in the WoT will come a cold war, it's just that big of a conflict.
    I also believe we're best off converting the imams and their schools in Afghanistan, to tackle the extremist problem.
    To win, go to where they nest; the mosques and imam schools.

    July 8, 2010 at 12:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      The thing it did happen... That was because we did go there!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Daniel-2

    You are right bulldozers just won't do the job i would recommend bunker busting bombs and MOAB's.

    July 7, 2010 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Darwin Rules

    There are 10 million adult males in Afghanistan and only an estimated 15,000 active Taliban. All we should be doing is to train, pay, and motivate an Afghan army to defeat these ragtag insurgents who carry their supplies and ammo around on donkeys. If they can't – or won't – win the war against the Taliban, then neither can we, no matter how many US troops are on the ground!

    July 7, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • One of Your Troops

      Learn what many countries are doing in Afghanistan before you type such non-sense. Check out our NIPR website: http://www.ntm-a.com.

      July 8, 2010 at 10:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      The odds with the Muslin against Israel was less than that and yet Israel still won!!! We have to get them so they can't get back in both Afghanistan and Pakistan... That way they have no place to train their tarriest!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
  71. AZN88

    1. Ruslan, shut up and don't be defeatist.
    2. We should build up the infrastructure; many insurgents only fight because they need the money and food, not because of religious radicalism.
    3. Maintain the element of surprise; DO NOT ANNOUNCE WHEN WE ARE GOING TO FREAKING ATTACK!!!

    July 7, 2010 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      We should just Bomb the hell out of them instead of using Our troops to do all the work1!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
  72. RSAT4

    Why war?

    July 7, 2010 at 7:48 am | Report abuse |
  73. WhoCares

    I am from Canada and after reading these comments I got to say Americans lack common sense and the ability to comprehend others. Sad these wars were started in the first place due to such faults.

    July 7, 2010 at 6:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      I wonder if you be saying that if they did it to your Country!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeJ

      Who Cares? Canada and Canadians certainly don't! Americans may be simple minded but we aren't the gutless
      wimps that are the Canadians...Put a puck in your "WhoCares" mouth!!!

      July 9, 2010 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
  74. j salerno

    The lack of reality based thinking among Americans is staggering. I believe we had no choice other than to respond to attacks on our country from Afghanistan, and I have little patience with the idea that these attacks were our fault because we 'abandoned' the Afghans. The idea that we can remake at will the cultures of other countries is one that we should work to discard; for one thing, we aren't doing staggeringly well with own culture. I'd define 'success' in Afghanistan as causing our enemies there enough pain so that they'd hesitate to ever attack us again, then leaving. If that turns out to require that we kill them, better them than us. I'd be all for leaving them alone if they'd left NY& Washington alone. Invading Iraq was stupid, but even the Iraqi's couldn't be 'left alone' after their invasion of Kuwait.

    July 6, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Who elses fault was it??? If we would have done what we are doing now.... The War would have been over already!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Smerlap

    The Taliban are destroyed and Bin Laden is dead. Beyond that we can only wish them well in establishing something approaching a democratic state. But Kabul will never be San Diego.

    July 6, 2010 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      You never know if we leave to soon!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
  76. hgbbear

    Leave them alone. Get our troops out and back home, and use all the resources now wasted there to deal with the issues here in the US. During all those years we were fighting the Taliban, we could not get rid of them, nor change their society. It simply does not work, so success only would be to acknowledge this fact and pull out. It is not our business to impose our way of live on other nations, especially at times like these, when so much in our own country goes so awfully wrong.

    July 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Why not just give them Our Country??? That way we wouldn't have to worry about them anymore after they kill us!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Albert

    " I was in Afghanistan from 2006-2008 and i can tell you that success cannot be measured in years but in generations. The Afghans either don't know or have no desire to take over and defend their country. I am afraid that American will find out that History repeats itself like it did in Korea and Vietnam and other noble causes around the world.

    We need to understand that if after 9 years we have no clear goal on how to define a win in Afghanistan we never will. The American people will see Afghanistan tumble like the rest and Karzi and his Kronies will flee the country to live somewhere in Europe with the American Taxpayers monies.

    American were not given freedom in a silver platter like we are trying to do with these countries but had to endure a bloody civil war to settle it's differences no matter what they were. Afghans might have to do the same because freedom is not free..

    July 6, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      That is the reason we are training themselves to take care of themselves!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Larry

    Success will only happen when we pack up and LEAVE. We are accomplishing nothing but getting people killed. Learn from the Russians and just get the heck OUT.

    July 6, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      If we leave to soon the Tarriest will just return and start all over!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  79. unclejerri

    We arent going anywhere now that they found all that metal in the ground. We may get out after we pocket the trillion dollars and leave them with nothing. I cant imagine we would just leave without mining all that stuff, we might as well get it so they dont just give it to Iran. SO I WOULD SAY MY VIEW IS TAKE THERE RESOURCES AND BOUNCE!

    July 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      You will be right if the Republicans get control again!!! Look what they are doing now when the Democrats need just 3 votes to pass anything...

      July 8, 2010 at 10:19 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Rehman

    Success would be if hold of Al Qaida and Taliban is eliminated in Afghanistan and a democratic government gets established. Rest can come later.

    July 6, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Just getting the Tarriest so hat they can't come back would be enough.... Let their People make the type of Government they want!!! Democracy doesn't work in the United States!!! So why force it some place else???

      July 8, 2010 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Jessica Jasper

    Coup d etat in Iran in 1953. Nothing more needs to be said. The US government shot itself in the balls when they overthrew the first organic democracy in Iran. The damn CIA has caused the american people (and the people of the world) more suffering than we could ever imagine.

    July 6, 2010 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      If Bush would have put more troops in Afghanistan instead of taking them out for Iraq!!! Things would be different today... Obama is doing both wars the right way... By training both of them to take care of themselves!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Jessica Jasper

    I wouldn't put McCrystal in charge of anything. he is freaking nuts! I mean, can you say FAILURE at his job!

    July 6, 2010 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
  83. Jessica Jasper

    if you guys are interested in the cartel violence in Mexico, read up about the town of Reynosa. It is COMPLETELY out of control. The locals fear the police are controlled by the cartels. Damn drug war started a real drug war. what a shame😦

    July 6, 2010 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      That is why we have to close our boarder from Mexico!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Che

    Put McCrystal in charge of the Mexico operation !

    July 5, 2010 at 10:59 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Arghh

    We have given the country a better infrastructure and better governing possibilities and a GDP that is 3 or 4 times greater than before we got there. We needed to defeat the Al Qaeda for 9-11 and show the world we were not going to take that EVER again. Now lets get the Counter terrorism going as the VP advises (I can not believe I agree with him so much) and get Americans home as much as possible and protect the USA and maybe worry about our country and our economy and our borders while choosing our foriegn battles based on a National interest and need as opposed to a choice. What is our strategy for this? What does a win look like? If we stay for 10 more years how does it look any better than today? How many more lives is it worth and how many more TRILLIONS of dollars is it worth?
    Does the problem in Mexico worry you? We have more need to be in Juarez than in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda is in Pakistan anyway.

    July 5, 2010 at 5:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      That is the only way we will keep Our Country from Tarriest!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
  86. Arghh

    Folks who are you kidding? Are we spending $100 billion a year and losing hundreds (and more than a thousand total) of soldiers for women's rights as above or for oil or for some sort of minerals in Afghanistan? Are we spending $100 Billion a year to chase less than 100 Al Qaeda members while Yemen, Pakistan and lots of other "failed states" fester? Is it women's rights now and the Taliban suddenly or the new found mineral deposits or the possible re-emergance of Al Qaeda, or the poppy trade that will keep us re-enforcing failure in a failed strategy of COIN? It is lining the pockets of Nagl, Kilcullen and others while you are worried about the rights of women in Afghanistan all the while American soldiers and MArines are getting killed to protect the population of a country that no longer wants us around for a corrupt government that we are stuck with that is filtering millions out to banks for their future exit.

    July 5, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      We are talking about Afghanistan not Iraq!!! We didn't go there for oil like Bush did with Iraq...

      July 8, 2010 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Mark

    Oh so very true.

    July 5, 2010 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Bledsoe

    Nothing wrong with my thought process buddy. Want to know more? 'Google' Slavery in modern Africa...

    July 5, 2010 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
  89. Adam

    I'm afraid that the US government's version of success in Afghanistan is strip malls and democratic elections, neither of which do I believe the Afghan people want. My version of success is getting the hell out of Afghanistan. Screw American pride, screw the Taliban and screw the hopelessly corrupt puppet government there. American intelligence dropped the ball when it came to 9/11 and we're trying to make up for it by 'fixing it' with military might.

    Let's not kid ourselves here: We're not over there to provide the Afghan people the opportunity to fairly elect their leadership, nor bolster civil rights for women there, nor to fight terrorism. No, we're there to try and save face. Well, we tried and we failed. Continuing to put American soldiers' lives in needless danger is not going to change the fact that this occupation is futile. We will not win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people, not like this. Strangers in a strange land parading around the country with automatic weapons strapped to their chest covered head to toe in body armor is offensive to them.

    Look, we put OBL in a position of power. We put the shah of Iran in a position of power. We put Saddam Hussein in a position of power. We put Pinochet in a position of power. We put Noriega in a position of power. We put Karzai in a position of power. We put Musharraf in a position of power. We unwittingly put Abbas and Hamas in a position of power.

    When will we ever learn that when we meddle in the business of nation building, we end up going to war with those nations? There is one nation, however where we should meddle in that business: Ours.

    July 5, 2010 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Have you asked the People what they want??? Otherwise quit guessing for them!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
  90. sam

    I think that if the U S pulls out of Afghanistan it will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. The Taliban would rise up and take control of that country and we would have another 9/11 maybe not in NYC or Washington DC and more people would die.We would be right back where we are right now. I dont have time to get into it but there is a lot of good stuff that happens in Afghanistan that is done by the U S. Reason we dont hear about it is because the drive by media only cares about giving reports of how many people were killed when an IED or VBIED goes off and how much blood is shed.Just my 2 cents.

    July 5, 2010 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Daniel-2

      You got that wrong,Sam!Getting out of Afghanistan is the best thing we can do.

      July 5, 2010 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        Then again i could be wrong i usually am.

        July 5, 2010 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jessica Jasper

      read about the CIA led Iranian coup d etat in 1953.

      July 6, 2010 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      We will not say there for ever!!! That is why we gave them some date we might leave... That way they will get things done instead of leaving things for us to do!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
  91. naser

    Alexander the Great = (Failed)
    Ganghis Khan (Failed)
    British Empire = (Filed)
    Russian Empire = (Failed)
    USA / NATO = (To be failed)

    July 5, 2010 at 5:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Che

      it took the British a long time but they did not fail . They essentially trained and put the Pastun in charge and ran the place for a long time.

      July 5, 2010 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Keida

        In historical terms, the British "success" was short-lived and the Muslim, not Western, culture prevailed. Though harsh by modern Western secular standards, many of the conservative Islamic beliefs held by the Taliban are consistent with Biblical beliefs held by conservative Jewish and Christian populations in the West and the Middle East; especially with regards to a complete rejection of materialism. All we have to offer is a corrupt Karzai-led government. Let the citizens of Afghanistan make their own choices. It is time to leave Afghanistan.

        July 6, 2010 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      We will not fail... Because we are the only ones that aren't trying to take over Their Country!!!

      July 8, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeJ

      Osama Ben Laden & Taliban = Soon to fail...just as you,Nasr, are a failure!!!!

      July 9, 2010 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
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