June 30th, 2010
10:13 AM ET

101 coalition casualties this month in Afghanistan

The June death toll for NATO-led forces reached 101 on Wednesday, the highest ever in a single month since the war began almost nine years ago. The deadliest month previously had been August, 2009, when 79 soldiers died.

A member of the international coalition fighting in Afghanistan died Wednesday of wounds sustained in an insurgent small arms attack in eastern Afghanistan, the military said. And U.S. Sgt. John M. Rogers, 26, of Scottsdale, Arizona, died Sunday of injuries sustained from a non-combat related incident.

The number of U.S. and coalition casualties in June has now climbed to 101, a CNN count shows.

Last week, June became the deadliest month of the nine-year Afghan war for coalition troops when the death toll hit 80.

The grim milestone comes amid tumult among the war's leadership, with top military commander Gen. Stanley McChrystal exiting over disparaging comments he made about civilian officials in a magazine interview. He will be replaced by Gen. David Petraeus, now head of U.S. Central Command and the architect of the surge strategy in the Iraq war.

MORE: Home and Away: Casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq – explore the faces of the fallen and send your tributes

Photo at top: At a patrol base in Helmand province, British soldiers created a makeshift memorial to fellow troops killed in action on previous tours of Afghanistan.


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  1. Flannel Sheets ·

    unemployment is always a problem with any nation ,*:

    November 10, 2010 at 5:34 am | Report abuse |
  2. greg bader

    This Afghan war is insane. What is it about? Nothing–except keeping the public in hysteria at home and enriching the same contracting companies that made hundreds of millions of dollars in profits–if not billions of dollars in profits–in Iraq, site of a war, also based on a lie, that has helped totally bankrupt the U.S.–for nothing in return.

    The lie here in Afghanistan is that we can somehow turn this ancient land into a democracy–sort of like the second lie about Iraq, after the one about Saddam having WMDs. (See the official British report of July 12 saying Tony Blair flat-out "lied" about the WMD issue, in order to go along with his pal in war, Dubya.)

    Is the war in Afghanistan's purpose to "get" Osama? if we can't do it after nine years, we aren't ever going to.

    And, now, our supposed puppet in Kabul, Hamid Karzai, could make a peace with the Taliban any minute, per his own words!

    Plus, half the army and secret service (ISI) of our new-found "friend," Pakistan, are on the side of the Taliban in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    So, now that al-Qaeda has struck in Uganda, are we going also to invade Uganda and/or Somalia? All of this is more than enough already! Out!

    July 14, 2010 at 1:29 am | Report abuse |
  3. USN SAILOR

    naser-why dont you go stick a pistol in ya mouth an blow ya damn head off for all i care an how could you come on here an say that thats called crossin the dad gum line!!!!

    July 9, 2010 at 3:24 am | Report abuse |
  4. HeadsUp

    mitworld.mit.edu/video/488

    July 8, 2010 at 11:24 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    I don't know what your getting... But your giving me a headache!!!

    July 6, 2010 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    Iraq Oil why do you think we went in there twice!!!

    July 6, 2010 at 10:11 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Kathy Harvey

    OK, CNN carried the Lindsay Lohan hearing LIVE; minute by minute as they are THE WORLD WIDE LEADERS IN NEWS, and the US lost 6 yesterday in Afghanistan reported on the bottom ticker. EXCUSE ME? What am I not getting?

    July 6, 2010 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Rob

    Have we all forgotten how the afghans became so well equipped to even be putting up a fight with us. It was that wonderful Texas Politician Charlie Wilson that so thoughtfully armed the afghan Mujahideen with all Soviet made weapons, THAT THE U.S. PAID SUBSEQUENTLY PAID FOR, in the 80's. Just seems as though we just keep hurting ourselves. We should win this one, but if we dont, its our own fault.

    July 6, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      The Bush's and Cheney's are selling arms to both sides so that they can keep both wars going!!!

      July 6, 2010 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Raheel

    Everyone knows that "Who is behind 9/11" Its an Open Secret that Bush administration has done this.
    Your own Experts reveal these facts. You have taken Afghans lightly killing thousands of Innocent Kids & Women..
    This is not Patriotism but to lead oneself into a ditch....

    July 6, 2010 at 8:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Bush started the Iraq war not Afghanistan!!! The Democrats went there to stop the tarriest in the first place... But Bush took the troops out to start His own war!!!

      July 6, 2010 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Obama

    We need some more coffins and caskets, because brave Afghans kill our well-trained troops.

    July 5, 2010 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
  11. naser

    Die American soldiers.

    July 5, 2010 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |
    • debi

      die american soldiers??? you come onto an American site among American people...f u naser go back to ur own people

      July 5, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Why don't you kill yourself and do us a big favor!!!

      July 6, 2010 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mom

      Naser: Why do you hate Americans? (Please tell the honest truth.)

      July 8, 2010 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
  12. ace

    we all understand that war time is never easy, but we always made it better with family and friends here in the heart land. happy fourth and god bless. oh and if we were not at war with them, they would be in your back yard they get bored and 9/11 all over again. we keep them preoccupied so we can live with out that fear again, thanks to all the men and women who volentearly sign up to keep us safe here.

    July 4, 2010 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    Even today those that fought in the Vietnam and Korea wars are in groups trying to control the anger in them!!! If you ever came to one of the section... You that never was in the service might think different than you feel now!!!

    July 4, 2010 at 11:23 am | Report abuse |
  14. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    Don't you know those that were never in the Military know more than those that served!!!

    July 4, 2010 at 11:20 am | Report abuse |
  15. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    You are the one that has to learn who our Friends are and who is our Enemy!!!

    July 4, 2010 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
  16. naser from Afghanistan

    Stop supporting our extremely corrupt government. Your taxpayer's money provides good luxury houses for our senior officials in Dubai, that regrets me for American public. Our ministers, chiefs, military commanders, governers have made alot of money for their children. I am happy that US congress didn't approve the aid to Afghanistan.

    July 4, 2010 at 6:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      I support Our Troops not the Republicans in Congress... It is time the People took this Country back from the Rich and Corporations!!! They are the ones that made the mess we have today...

      July 4, 2010 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
  17. ferg

    Dont tell me war is hell unless youve been in one. If you have then i apologize in advance. The day to day struggle is getting worse over there, I agree. At least now the local populace is starting to have a voice. You say we havent improved there way of life. Are you really that blind. Women were treated like property in afghanistan and still are but its changing. I saw girls going to school when i was there. That in itself is a remarkable improvement. There is still a long way to go and we unfortunately are just now getting on the right path but if we left now that would be the worst possible outcome. By the way Im aware of the history of the taliban and afghanistan. Dont mistake me for an ignorant peasant. Im curious as to where you supposedly are on the top of the ladder? watching cnn on your couch doesnt count. Ive been there and have met the locals as well as the president and members of the taliban. Why is my experience any less than yours? Oh, what oil Larry?

    July 3, 2010 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      I was talking about the oil in Iraq not being in Afghanistan!!! If they had oil there Bush would never pulled our troops out...

      July 4, 2010 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      At least it is a start... Look how long it took to get almost things right and it still isn't perfect!!! Get rid of the Republicans and it will be the start!!!

      July 6, 2010 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    Up until now the United States wasn't doing anything there... If Bush would have left the troops there and done what we are doing now... This war would have been over with a long time ago!!! But instead He had to start a war foe oil instead... Hopefully by 2011 our troops will be out of both wars and our Country can get back to business fixing our problems...

    July 3, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    The one thing the United States doesn't have to worry about is Israel nuking them... Now Iran is a completely different story!!!

    July 3, 2010 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
  20. ferg

    Enough of the whining. Ive spent 3 years of my life fighting these wars because they are the right thing to do. Ive been wounded in combat and saw my friends die over there. Theres a job that needs to be done. We will win these wars. Ive been serving for 8yrs and im not ready to quit. I knew what i was getting into when i signed up. For the people who say their recruiters lied to them, youre idiots. Plain and simple you knew that there was a war going on. Stop crying and do your job. We will win but we need more support and a lil more time. I know mistakes were made and more will be made but no one is perfect. Continue the fight and support the troops.

    July 3, 2010 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Larry Valecia, Calif.

    The only way to get PEACE in the regent is to get Pakistan and India to make PEACE with each other!!! That way the tarriest would have know place to go...

    July 3, 2010 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
  22. USN SAILOR

    Most everyone on here talkin about what bush did was wrong an how we should bring us home and how we should jus bomb the hell out of everyon yall are nuts listen if president bush did not send all of the troops Navy, Marines, Air force, and Army over here to defend The United States of Americas honor and to show exactly how strong we are and that we will not bow down to foreign terrorists, then what are we if we didnt do jus that.... cowards that we jus say aw hell screw it we just got attacked no big deal... HELL NO i am proud to be fighting for my country an proud to be an American and im proud to be fighting alongside all of my shipmates and supporting all the ground forces around the world whether its afghan or korea or wherever it is i will not bow down nor will any of our troops we joined the military in a time of war and we knew what we were getting into we VOLUNTEERED to defend our country against all enemys foreign and domestic and we will do so to the death if that is to happen and all yall are talkin about we should bring our troops home, no we should not not untill there is stability in the region and any of you who say that the troops die for nothing yall are idiots they died for there country and i salute all of those who have died and to all of us who continue to defend The United States of America, we will prevail and we will keep our heads held high and we will not quit no matter what. Im proud to be a member of the armed forces of america and will always be proud and will serve my country along with all of my fellow service members and to all those who support us thank you so very much you are the reason we keep fighting and keep our heads held high and to those who dont shame on you shame on you!!!! May God Bless every single service member and the ones who havbe died protecting our country you will always be rembered!!!!!!! if your an american and you are proud to be an american then speak up because i know alot of troops including myself read this crap that other people say on here and its pathetic.

    July 1, 2010 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      It is funny how Bush Sr, almost won the war in Iraq by bombing them instead of using our troops first!!! Israel won 4 wars against the Arabs with 1/3 of the Troops!!! But the United States can't finish either the Iraq war, Afghanistan are Pakistan wars now!!!

      July 3, 2010 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
  23. Michelle

    this war will never end! period.

    July 1, 2010 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      May GOD watch over all that are fighting for the Freedom of the People of this World of ours!!! May we defeat those that are trying to take Our rights from us...

      July 1, 2010 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
  24. G.W.BUSH

    150000 coffins are ready or not? if not make ready we are sending your soldiers safe and secured within hell.

    July 1, 2010 at 2:58 am | Report abuse |
  25. haider

    To Manmohan. How do you think that ur India can ever occupy Afghanistan? Have you forgotten the 1000 years rule by afghans on ur country or the 17 time continuous fall of ur empire in the hands of Mehmoud Ghaznavi? you people were defeated by the Kashimiri Civilians in the 1948, u had to go to UN to stop their advance in Kashmir, you have been defeated by Pakistan 2 times where u had to pull ur forces back to ur land although pakistani army was much much less than ur one and had less equipmenta and money than u....

    July 1, 2010 at 2:44 am | Report abuse |
  26. Fr33th!nk3r

    We, as Americans, have gotten soft. While it is no less a tragedy for those who have lost loved ones in the war, this "101 casualties in a month" is barely a scratch, as far as wars are concerned. Keep in mind, more than 300,000 soldiers died in the FIRST HOUR of Gettysburg. At one point in history, Americans were not so weak in the knees and so afraid to commit themselves to a course of action to do what is right. We HAVE been making LOTS of progress in Afghanistan since we entered there in 2001. We are the first foreign power to come there and enjoy any measure of success militarily. Al-Queda is down to their frigging "6th string benchwarmers" now for leadership– the rest of them vaporized by Predator drones. Afghanistan is a fight for American defense, we need to stay the course, even if it takes a century to finish what we started there. I hate war as much as the next human being, but keep in mind, Al-Queda has already killled thousands of Americans, and has stated in no uncertain terms, that they would kill all of us if they had the means. Our enemies are working around the clock to acquire those means– so we need to work around the clock to stop them, otherwise we will be fighting them in our backyards instead of in Afghanistan.... THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY A CONCERNED OLD-FASHIONED LIBERAL WHO IS DISTURBED BY THE SPINELESS BELLYACHING BY THE AMERICAN POPULACE TO THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN.

    June 30, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Disgusted with warmongers

    Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
    Uncle Sam needs your help again.
    He's got himself in a terrible jam
    Way down yonder in Afghanistan
    So put down your books and pick up a gun,
    We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

    And it's one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
    Next stop is Afghanistan;
    And it's five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
    Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

    June 30, 2010 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
  28. alien3x

    why spending billions of dollars in this stupid war when ppl here sufering losing their houses and properties high level of unemployments and a lot of young man and womans joining the army afther the brain wash thinking they are fighting for the freadom of afghanistan lmao any country has the right to defend their self for any foraign inviders and no invasores are welcome in no place in the word so don't cray for casualties in irak cuz no one is calling them to go there and die for no reason, if some one have to be blame is the one who send them

    June 30, 2010 at 5:25 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Xasthur

    No War!! Reducing terrorism begins with us. Don't participate in it!

    June 30, 2010 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Medic

    Our current ROE does not allow us the freedom that we need to successfully engage the enemy. There is so much bureaucratic red tape in Afghanistan that it is extremely difficult to make significant progress. Unfortunately the only difference between an insurgent and a non-combatant is whether or not they are holding a weapon. That being said, by the time we get the green light to go after the people who just ambushed us, they have already thrown down their weapons and blended back into the population. Half of the "civilians" killed are just that: Taliban fighters who hid their weapon 5 minutes before they had their meet and greet with Allah...

    June 30, 2010 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • naser

      Really? Can 5 month child carry AK-47??

      You idiot.

      July 5, 2010 at 5:40 am | Report abuse |
      • medic

        notice i said most, not all... Its war, civilians die, get over it. Look at the number of civilian deaths in this war, and compare them to any other war in history. We are saints in comparison. Its not like we look to kill civilians, and if you honestly believe that, then you, sir, are stupid. If someone, regardless of age, points a rifle at me, they are going to die. Its a rather simple concept to grasp. For instance, if you, my friend, pointed an AK at me, I would kill you. Judging by your most recent post regarding me and my comrades (american soldiers) I would have no problem doing it either. You are the real terrorist.

        July 5, 2010 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Alex

    Afghanistan is an open Graveyard for all who tried to invade it including mighty Mongolians to Big Russians to American's. There is some thing in that rugged No man land which is saving it from falling. And it is proven in history that no one is able to rule the whole country single handed.

    June 30, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • naser

      You got it wise man. You are absolutely right.

      July 5, 2010 at 5:45 am | Report abuse |
  32. Matt

    Such a sad loss of live in such a senseless war! When will Americans wake up and realize that the only reason America is even at war in Afghanistan and Iraq is to make huge profits for the big businesses which benefit so much from the country being at war?

    June 30, 2010 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Geordie

    And more coalition soldiers (Australian, Canadian, British including Ghurka, and New Zealand) will be maimed and die aswell.
    Please don't forget them !

    June 30, 2010 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      Were these soldiers really any more honorable than the Russians were?Somehow,I find that quite dubious.

      June 30, 2010 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Righteous Justice

    This garbage about "remember" this or "remember" that is getting old as "remember slavery". How about remember the genocidal invasion of IRAQ? Use your heads evil viles.

    June 30, 2010 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      Very well put,Rightious Justice.I couldn't agree more.

      June 30, 2010 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Righteous Justice

    Those who advocate "take the gloves off" or "let's nuke em'". Remember, not only you cowards have nukes. You already have "taken the gloves off" by murdering women and children daily in a cowardly fashion. The question is, has the other side "taken the gloves off" for the genocide in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

    June 30, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Oh give me a break... "genocide" and crap like that? Are you serious? We're on the ground fighting blindfolded with one hand behind our backs so we don't "hurt or offend" some civilian that is either outrightly or passively helping the Taliban... and idiots like you come on here and talk about Americans committing genocide.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Righteous Justice

        Steve, you can turn a blind eye- intentionally or out of plain stupidity- all you want.. The fact is, genocide has and is being committed. And your comment of "some civilian that is either outrightly or passively helping the Taliban" does not make much sense when a signifcant portion of those civilians are women, some pregnant, elderly, and children as young as months old. Take a hike with your nonsense excuses you fool.

        June 30, 2010 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Do you know the definition of "genocide" at all? You make some bold accusations of genocide... can I see your proof?

        And no... proof is not "OMG like America dropped bombs and killed thousands." Well, when you have the Taliban clearly hiding behind civilians and not caring who gets killed, the civilian death toll would naturally mount. If America was rounding innocent women and children up by the thousands and burning them in ovens or shooting them in the head... then I'd say you have a point. But we fight these wars with one hand tied behind our backs for the PURPOSE of lessening the civilian casualties so they don't get mad at us. And the very fact that people like you will still come on here and yell "GENOCIDE" simply makes me sick.

        June 30, 2010 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • lunchtime_astoria

      Don't be foolish. The military-industrial complex would only be motivated toward genocide if there was a perceived profit to be made through its execution. At its very worst, hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties are calculated loss factors. If this war were about love, then you could talk about hate.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Righteous Justice

        War aside, justice must be had for those on the receiving end of genocide. If you disagree, then I'm clearly wasting my time in finding rationality here.

        June 30, 2010 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
  36. alien3x

    and more american soldiers will die in afgan war till they realize this war is worthless and for the ppl that are thinking this war is cuz 9/11 they are way wrong remember taliban never did anithing against us this was a local insurgents in afgan. and us whent there so they have to pay for it cuz they are figthing a wrong war bin laden is no there and nor alkaeda so ?? why they are fighting agains the wrong ppl? is kida funy and insane

    June 30, 2010 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Darwin

    I'm glad the media picked up on this story but why wait until the deaths hit 100? The leftist news used to love to report every death in detail when Bush was preident. The liberals were practically high fiving each other every time there was a big day of US soldier's killed so they could point the finger at Bush and blame him. This is Obama's war now and he is responsible for ever death.

    June 30, 2010 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
  38. opgeoff

    Also to consider when comparing this war with the Russian war in Afghanistan is not only the time period but also the reason for being there. The Russians wanted to add a trophy to their empire while the US wanted to get Bin Laden for 9/11.

    June 30, 2010 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
  39. boocat

    This stupid war has been going on longer than the Vietnam War.. Apparently our "leaders" ( and I use the term loosely) in DC do not get it. END IT ALREADY and bring our troops home. For hundreds of years different countries took on Afghanistan and lost and lost and lost. Psychiatrists say repeating the same behaviour and getting the same result (usually bad) is a sign of insanity. Well those morons in DC must be insane.

    June 30, 2010 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Clark Dodson Vernick

    This probably proves the heros in training at west point are ready to fight in afghanistan!

    June 30, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Dennis Watts

    No big surprise. When the commander gets taken out, it's the troops that suffer. Pres. Obama can shoulder some of that blame. McChrystal should have gotten an ass-chewing and sent back to do his job. It would have earned Pres. Obama points with the troops and kept us on track in Afganistan. Instead we have more turmoil. Bad choice Mr. President.

    June 30, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Gerordie

    The media is remiss in that they do not report nationalities of the casualties. If you want the background to this gripe read Richard Reeves article. i.e, over three hundred British fatalities, also Australian, Canadian and New Zealand have suffered disproportionally to those reported for the U.S. Most Americans at home are either not aware or don't care.
    If I can obtain details why can't CNN and other press and media ?

    June 30, 2010 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
  43. johnnyhouse

    This is a Democrat war okayed by the full Democrat Congress.This is the real war.Iraq was a Bush war.The blood runs the same color but we get a different take on it.We are strangling our fighting men. One fell on his sword to get the message across.We need to be bombing the hell out of them or get out. We never won a war with kindness. We are fighting Muslims all over the world and we are overrun with them here wanting to build their symbols of conquest in sight of where the Twin towers stood..We are so stupid.We deserve what we let happen from here on out.We have our future in our hands. For my 73 years my generation worked to make this country better. It is your job now.

    June 30, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
  44. John

    Talaban are winning, wether we like it or not. It is another war we are lossing, our pride will not allow us to admit. We made a mistake and we should get the F... out of there. this is a $6.5 billion a month war, that we can spend it on our schools to buy buses, so my kid can ride the bus to school instead of walking two mile everyday. F Bush, Ramsfield, Cheny who live in palaces just like Sadam Husin, and we are suffering for what they put us through.

    June 30, 2010 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Chris

    Texas 2010, guess what...you DO wake up in a third world country every day....we just don't look like the rest of them yet....our America is governed by the best politicians money can buy, and it's only geting better. ...and the "too big to fail" foist their debt on you and me....pretty soon the next civil war will be here, our corporation, er, government will need to protect itself and then, viola!....your third world country

    June 30, 2010 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
  46. johnnyhouse

    We will never win this war if we are worrying about making friends. You need to screw everything up so bad it will take them a hundred years to stop the glow. Let them build it back like we will have to do the Twin Towers. Did you make any Muslim friends that day?

    June 30, 2010 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Reality

      Amen to that. Nuke it all.

      June 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
  47. fred astaire

    Any reason the media is not covering the returning caskets upon arrival to the US as they did in the last 18 months of the Bush administration?
    I am no Bush supporter but does this mean the body count is a non factor because of a new administration?

    June 30, 2010 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Fred

    I grew up at the end of Vietnam and now we have Iraq and Afganistan. Wars do not accomplish anything but getting our young men killed. I though Obama was going to get our men home. It is time for America to get out of foreign counties affairs and mind our own. Look at all the moneys going over seas and our nation is getting deeper into debt, let alone the lives given in foreign conflict we shouldn't even be in. Bush did not do America any favors in Iraq other than put US in debt to repair a nation we destroyed. The US model of government is not necessarily accepted by other cultures and mad men will always be mad.

    June 30, 2010 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Freedom Fighter

    They go to war knowing the possibilities of death. Feeling sorry for a soilder trained to kill and taught that death is somewhat inevitable is ludacris. I'm sure many of you don't go to sleep thinking about the hundreds of thousands of iraqis, and afghan ppl who have been viciously killed and injured. What about the destruction the U.S. has caused upon the land. What about the ravishing of the natural resources of the countries we destroy specifically afghan and iraq. we make millions and billions off "THEIR" resources but yet give nothing back in return. The U.S. are pawns in the game. "Fighting for Freedom" huh? What freedom? Free isn't even free. Call me unsympathetic, uncompassionate or whatever, but I won't feel sorry for soilders who choose to die oppose to those fighting to stay alive or those innocent and not even apart of the war. Peace

    June 30, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Hannibal7

    We have to be 1000% behind the soldiers. The war itself, in the end, like all war, is about money. Our soldiers, tuff as nails though they are, bleed and die. They are the very best we have. It is the minerals we are after. The real reason for the prolonged war is that the world of the future will need the minerals "suddenly discovered" and the cost is our servicemen until the politics favor the United States economic interests. Human civilization marches forward, but the motives of men and their governments never change.

    June 30, 2010 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Freedom Fighter

      Bein behind the soilders means being behind the war. If you aren't behind the war, then how could you possibly be behind the soilders. Theres no in the middle with me. You are either for it or oppose it. I oppose the war because we started the war based on lies told to us and killed nearly millions of people and destroyed the land. While we make billions off of it and keep the people in poverty on top of murdering them and destroying homes and I can keep going and going.

      June 30, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Joe

    Where are the demonstrators?? Why aren't people standing infront of the White House like they did during the Bush era? Why isn't the media going crazy with all the casualties? There used to be a time that when one soldier died it was a big deal to the media. Now its just a number that they report on. Where are all the angry people who demonstrated against the Bush White House? Why is it ok now?

    June 30, 2010 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Joe

    Where are the troops that Obama promised? Do you really think that McCrystal did not know that the Rolling Stones article was not going to end his career? Do you really think that he is that stupid? He has been asking for more troops for close to a year. Obama kept stalling. Even when Obama promised more troops, he is STILL STALLING. The blood of those soldiers that died and those who will continue to die are on Obama's hands.

    June 30, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
  53. CGeorgeK

    What is really sad it that these dead and wounded are unnecessary... they have nothing to do with freedom and liberty for America – and eveything to do with our corrupt government. War is great for many businesses: weapons, artificial limbs, pharmaceuticals, psychologists, – the list is too long to post here – and all the materials and services that support the presence of troops, wherever they are... follow the money trial to Congress. Those who say that our troops have their hands tied... are misinformed. Certainly the rules of engagement favor the enemy, but, just as in Vietnam – unless we kill everyone in a village, we cannot be sure we have gotten all the bad guys in the village. And when the bad guys do come to a neutral village they would cut the arms off the children for collaborating. There is no way to identify the enemy – until they actively attack you... or you hear an explosion and experience your body parts flying in different directions. There is not, now, and never has been – a way to win this conflict through the vehicle of warfare – so, after nine years, countless dead, wounded and billions upon billions spent on this effort – someone has come up with the idea of "negotiating with the Taliban". The American people have been made suckers of... yet, again! I hope you place on the headstone of your loved ones, "I died so members of Congress and Big business could get rich! Don't ever deceive yourself that they died for freedom.

    June 30, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      Extremely well stated,CGeorgeK.I totally agree.

      June 30, 2010 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  54. PARROT

    SOMEBODY PLEASE STOP THIS STUPID WAR....PICK THE TRASH AND BRING OUR BOYS HOME..!!

    June 30, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • ace

      it would not be stupid if another 9/11 took place ,then you would just blame another and another

      July 4, 2010 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Big Tex

    The International forces had mad good progress until Jan 2009. BO has shown himself to be incompetent at Commander of the Armed forces. 2009 was the worst year on record in Afghanistan and 2010 is shaping up to surpass 2009. Iran and North Korea are watching the US in Afghanistan to see how good a Commander BO is....Last year McCrystal spent months asking for more troops...during that time the Taliban and Tribal factions retook large areas of the country while BO was checking the polls to determine what he should do....

    June 30, 2010 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
  56. CATom

    Either flatten the place with bombs and pound these ragheads into submission or get the hell out now. Haven't obama and his good friends like feinstein and pelosi made enough money off these wars yet?

    June 30, 2010 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
  57. SemperFi

    When I was in Iraq, we did not have to fone somebody everytime we wanted to engage on a target. I couldn't imagine fighting like our troops are now. It's BS and embarrasing. Get our troops home NOW. And to the person who said that all the troops want to be there, you couldn't be more wrong.

    June 30, 2010 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
  58. c.i.a.

    republican or democrats it dosent matterit s the same policy, banquers controls and they don t care about the little peoples.with what happen in the gulf it s time for a major change in our ways of living.

    June 30, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  59. SemperFi

    This war is getting out of hand.

    June 30, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Rick McDaniel

    Until the politicians turn the military loose to do what is necessary to win this war with the Taliban, there will be a lot more casualties.

    June 30, 2010 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
  61. 11th grade student

    We were attacked by Bin Laden, not the country of Afghanistan. Just find and kill the guy and the others involved, we dont need to waste american lives and billions of dollars trying to fix and bring peace to a country that has been engulfed by wars for thousands of years.

    June 30, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
  62. justin

    Total warfare required! We'll accept nothing less but unconditional surrender. From whom, I don't know. But, someone had better surrender to us soon. Please?

    June 30, 2010 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
  63. BUBBA--ALABAMA STYLE!!!

    The great tragedy here is that these men are dying only for the right-wing politicians and the greedy war profiteers and not for any good and I find that repulsive!

    June 30, 2010 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      Extremely well put,Bubba!

      June 30, 2010 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Reality

      Right Wing Politicians??? The Democrats run the Senate, House and Presidency. Obama (Democrat) is the Commander in Chief. This is all Democrat controlled now. Men are now dying for the Democrats. Get your ignorant blinders off of your eyes. How can you not see this?

      June 30, 2010 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        My blinders are already off.Barack Obama,just like many Democrats did in 2007,turned right-wing after being elected to office and abandonned their moral principles and decided to play along with the establishment right-wing thugs and just let them continue calling the shots in Washington.

        June 30, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        What are your TALKING ABOUT onesmallvoice? What do you mean they "turned" right wing? Obama is proving to be one of the more liberal politicians of the last 100 years, and you're coming on here saying that he's now a "right-winger." Haha what a joke.

        June 30, 2010 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Reality

      Obama turned right wing? Even in print, do you look at what you are saying? At this point I will make a judgement call and form the hypothesis that your comments are meant to be joking. If they are not, please do not reproduce or extend your genome, because there is seriously something wrong with you. Seriously, seriously wrong, and you cannot see it for some reason.

      June 30, 2010 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        If Obama is not right-wing,then why are we still fighting these obnoxious wars?

        June 30, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Fighting wars is NOT a right-wing philosophical fact! If you looked up what "conservatism" means... you wouldn't find "A philosophical belief which states that getting involved in any and every war is necessary and key." This is B.S. that people like you make up to fuel misconception about things that you clearly don't understand. Obama expanded a war. It doesn't automatically make him "right-wing"... as if it's some kind of side effect to a disease that you get. Obama is a liberal and he expanded a war. Bush was a Conservative and he started a war (Iraq). LBJ was a liberal and he expanded a war (Vietnam). It doesn't matter who is conservative or liberal. Honestly... does EVERYTHING have to break down to "liberal and conservative" with you?

        June 30, 2010 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Sam Planas

    I agree its time to come up. On Jun 18th, I learned of a fellow active duty member killed in an IED. That following tuesday i had the responsibility of helping there family and why there son was killed in an IED. Then I had to pull is coffin from an aircraft and place it on a hurst so the family can mourn. Its time to come home. The top officals just here about it but they are never the ones to look the family in the eyes and see the tears.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  65. Joe RN

    Just a reminder to Mike Vannoy, It was the Bush administation that couldn't stomach seeing the bodies of our dead service men and women, going so far as to outlaw taking photos of their flagged drapped coffins. The Afgan war has always been a side show to Iraq. The Afgan war when it started had 19,000 troops, Iraq was well over 100,000. You do the math, this whole thing was a side show to the resource grab going on in Iraq. Just a little bit of history, the first building occupied by our forces in Iraq, was the ministry of oil, and VP Cheney had the maps of all the oil fields in his hands the next day. Have you seen of those weapons of mass destruction? If we really wanted to kill these animals in Afganistan we could have a long time ago, including Bin laden I am incredibly proud of our troops for fighting for me and my family, but Afghanistan is a waste of our most valued assets, our young men and women in uniform. Bin Laden is a dog living in a cave in a place that looks like it belongs on the moon. Let them have it.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
    • NoTaxForAmerica

      and after 3 years libs continiously blame bush for bad weather

      June 30, 2010 at 11:42 am | Report abuse |
      • Will

        NoTax, don't you mean for the last 7 years we have blamed Bush? Uh, cuz he decided Iraq, with no Al Qaida, was more important than finding the man responsible for the most heinous crime against America, on American soil since Pearl Harbor and then just never bothered trying to capture him again? I am talk about bin Laden in case you forgot. Seems like everyone forgot why we went to Afghanistan. Not to rebuild it, not to negotiate with the warlords, to find and kill Osama Bin Laden and then get the hell out of there, like we should have been doing all along.

        June 30, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Texas 2012

        Will,

        I believe going into "Iraq, with no al Queda" did lead to the execution of a murdering dictator, who took one of the most prosperous, beautiful countries in the Middle East, and brought it down to nothing but a wasteland. I'd say that was a plus of the invasion.

        June 30, 2010 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • america the great

        will is right.
        saddam posed no danger to the american public. the only danger he posed was invading kuwait again and controlling the persian gulf. but seriously? his army was a defiant one because nearly a majority of them had family members killed by him. the iraqi army of nearly 500,000 men had so many officers and soilders who were planning to take saddam out since the first gulf war. we shouldnt have brought our guys in. they had the tactics and weapons and determination to do it. we shoulda gave them the greenlight and support.

        July 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • dan

      They didn't hide the coffins because they couldn't stand them. They hid them because you people couldn't stand them...democracies cannot fight guerilla wars abroad, because they cannot stomach the sacrifice. I agree with your disgust towards the Bush administration, but don't act like you are advocating for soldiers. I don't fight for your family or your way of life...I don't care about you because you aren't on the line with me. I think you are all rightfully ashamed for staying home with the womenfolk. Well, there are womenfolk fighting too...no wonder you want the war to end, it exposes your shame. I prefer the days when you people hated us openly.

      June 30, 2010 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Reality

    We are supposed to be the mightiest force on the planet. How about we pull all of our troops home, then send out this warning "screw with us, and we will destroy your land, animals, men women and children, end of story". War is Hell, it is about time that the world realizes that fact. Lets just follow the rules of nature, the strong survive.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
  67. NoTaxForAmerica

    Obama administration is not good for America.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:35 am | Report abuse |
  68. SAM lipmannnn

    Wow some win i tell you............

    June 30, 2010 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
  69. c.i.a.

    everytime man do war it s humanity that disapear a little more.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
  70. c.i.a.

    so sad to ear that peoples send there kids to war, without a good conviction. why there is always the number of soldiers deads, what about the millions they kill in irak civils,woman,kids, peoples seem brainwashed , how can you believe your emperialist gouverment it s all lies, there no al quada, no ben laden only pipe line in your ready to die and massacre population for thatyour crazy.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:22 am | Report abuse |
    • NoTaxForAmerica

      Pipe in Afganistan? ...are you kiding ?

      June 30, 2010 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Dave

        Yes c.i.a is wrong it's not Pipe, its long term strategy to build a strong base against "China, Russia and India" to deal with them in near future.

        June 30, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dave

        Sorry I forget to add one: And of course + IRAN (For Short Term)

        June 30, 2010 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Dennis

    God bless our men and women who give themselves to the cause of freedom. I support them 1000%!
    But it is time for the people of these nations to stand up for their own freedom. They and they alone can ultimately determine their future. Nine years is enough of American blood being shed... The truth is, more than likely these countries will return to their former forms of government within six months of our leaving. But that is their choice to make, not ours.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
  72. Guachito

    whoa there mastersam2000, I am in the service, and I have led many fine Soldiers into and out of Iraq. I can tell you, not one of us were looking for "action" and our officers are some of the finest i have served with. Please, don't go on blasting the grunt Soldiers, for that is what we did, grunt through it all. With every change in our rules of engagements and with every contact we received, we were challanegd to restraint and courage, but we were never looking for action. Don't make assumptions off of what you read or hear. Thank you

    June 30, 2010 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
    • mastersam2000

      What are you doing in Afghanistan in the first place i am sure if you were looking for your own welfare you would not join,you were not trapped like the national guardsmen in the early days of the Iraq war. you went because of the action or the pay check. This war in afganistan serve only the U.S military business money. there is no just cause in this war ,but an attempt to stop the Muslims there is no security treat to the US or any body else but to the Russian and European opium users( this why the European are involved). This is an internal conflict. and if the US want to get involve in internal conflicts in the world there are plenty of them out there(why aren't we facing North Korea or Iran). this war is going to increase the US deficit maime and take lives. i feel sorry for the poor grieving families that pay the ultimate price.

      June 30, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • MaryM

        afghanistan has been the training platform for terrorists for decades. Winning in Afghanistan is crucial to the safety and security of the US and all who oppose terrorism. There is nothing we need from that country other then for it to denounce terrorism.

        June 30, 2010 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  73. Laura

    This is so disheartening, my husband just left two weeks ago and left me and his three year old son and his son who will be two on Friday. Everyday that I do not hear from him and I hear about a death, I cringe and wait for the knock at the door. I am a PROUD ARMY WIFE no doubt, but I want my husband home, away from this war that will not be won. My kids deserve to have their father for the rest of their lives....Please END THIS WAR!

    June 30, 2010 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      May GOD watch over Your Husband and all those Fighting for Our Freedom!!!
      Mary M: I'm sorry that message was for Laura not you!!!

      July 1, 2010 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • tedk55

      Laura, this may be too late for you to see, but understand the necessity. I volunteered to come here (Afghanistan) & left behind my new wife, her 12 year old daughter, & our 18 month old daughter. I did it because I have 2 callings: to my daughters/family & to my country. I joined after Sept 11, & I know why, & she knows why. It is not easy on her being home, but she has been supportive & it sounds like you are as well. I salute your husband, and wish you & your family the best. Who knows, maybe I'm working along side him right now & don't even know it. But be sure that we are ALL watching each other's backs, & do EVERYTHING in our powers to ensure EVERYONE goes home to their families safe. It may not always work out that way, but that is ALWAYS our #1 priority.

      July 5, 2010 at 2:57 am | Report abuse |
  74. Soldier from Canada

    Yoju should be proud of your soldiers resolve. As a Canadian soldier we have fought alongside our cousins for the better part of a decade in Afghanistan. Many instances of proffesionalism, integrity, loyalty, and sense of purpose. I tip my hat to our brothers in arms of the United States Infantry Corp.
    Lt K.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:10 am | Report abuse |
    • MaryM

      Sir,
      That was very kind of you to say. I've never had the pleasure to work with the Canadians but I did work with our infantry and it was one of the greatest experiences of my life. They were some of the best men I know. Thank you for your continued support and may God be with you.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.

        You should be supporting Your Husband and His job He is doing!!! Those People He is fighting there is now His Family too... They depend on each other to keep them alive!!! You should be proud of him... Not talking against what He is doing!!! We have to support all Our Troops fighting for Our Freedom...

        July 1, 2010 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Mike Vannoy

    During the previous administration every time a US serviceman was killed it was front page news. Now that this Obama's war the press do everything they can to supress or ignore casualties. What does that tell you about this government and their relationshiop to a prejudicial media??? My son is in Iraq. There are still engagements going on there all the time but no reporting id done on it. I am disgusted w/ the American media and the boot licking they do to this administration.

    June 30, 2010 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • DownTownBrown

      What your comment tells us, Mike, is that you have very little understanding of A) how the media works, and B) the war itself. If your biggest problem with this war is the fact that the news doesn't cover it as avidly as they did 9 years ago, you're a fool. And a big one at that.

      June 30, 2010 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
      • SuzanneNY

        Mike makes an excellent point. What I would like to add to it though is that the media’s reporting has a very real impact on the course of the war. The more outcry there is by citizens, the sooner we will get out and the bloodshed will end. If there is virtually no reporting on the course of the war, there will likely be very little outcry, so the bloodshed will continue.

        Remember when there were protestors on the side of the street screaming about how we needed to end the wars? Where are they now? Did the protestors cause the media to pay attention to the wars or did the reporting on the wars cause the protestors? Either way, they are both gone now, so our troops will remain in both Afghanistan and Iraq indefinitely.

        June 30, 2010 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
      • MattR

        Downtownbrown – What your comment tells us is, well nothing. You made a blank conjecture towards Mike with no support. Please tell us how the media works. Oh and while you are at it tell us how the war works. All things you should have acknowledged in your post, but you neglected. Because DTB you, yourself are the uneducated fool. You are either 8 years old or are currently living in a senior home. If that is the case, I am sorry, but please stop posting ignorant comments.

        June 30, 2010 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Mike is right. Iraq was front page news during the Bush years. Every soldier that died was reported on in the news. Every battle and ambush that was happening was there for us to see on TV. The media is doing a horrible job at reporting this war right now. Only recently (because of the McChrystal firing) has Afghanistan even been mentioned on the news. Before that... February was the last time it was talked about at length in the main stream media.

        June 30, 2010 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • MaryM

      First God bless your son, second, I've been to Iraq and it ain't that bad there now. It was back in 2006 and 2007 when we had 14 soldiers from my unit die in 1 month. That conflict has dwindled. Also, soldiers have a more passive role therefore they can't do as much to defend themselves as they did before. I do agree though that it seems as though Iraq has been forgotten and that saddens me as I still have friends there. I too am sick of American media. I remember when I was there, we had 14 casualties in the same month Anna Nicole Smith died and that was all CNN talked about. Who gives an eff about Anna Nicole Smith? I haven't watched the news since.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      What a joke... You heard more about Casualties during the Obama President than you heard during the Bush!!! They talk about those dieing in Afghanistan... But hardly talked about the ones that died in Iraq!!!

      July 1, 2010 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
  76. SuzanneNY

    More troops have died that at any other time in this 9 year war, and the story barely gets 3 paragraphs? The American media is failing us. This issue deservers far more attention than it is getting. I don't know if it is because the American people no longer care or if the media would rather report on American Idol and Bret Michaels. Either way, shame on them.

    Either we admit our failure now, leave, and stop the bloodshed, or we keep trudging along, pretending things aren't so bad, while people needlessly die, just so we can wait for a brief bright spot in the war and quickly leaving then, pretending that we won.

    What are the odds that, come January, when combat death decrease due to weather, the media touts the amazing decline in casualties by percentages and consider it some morbid type of victory?

    June 30, 2010 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
    • MaryM

      I feel the casualties of the Taliban and Al Qaida deserve more attention. Besides, the article said "coalition" not US, meaning other nations.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      The news only reports when we are losing our troops... You never hear the accomplishments that Our Troops are doing in Afghanistan are Iraq!!!

      July 1, 2010 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
  77. mastersam2000

    Is it a coincident that the iraq casualtie droped but the afganistan are as high as of the worse days in iraq?
    too many soldiers looking for action and hot head officers. the increase number of soldiers give the allies exagarated confidence. the Taliban are determind fierce fighters, the russian could not conain them i am doubting that 21st century i pod boys can do better.
    it is no win situation,or maybe even an emberrasing defeat by the barbarians.

    June 30, 2010 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Texas 2012

      I hope you are not calling out troops "i pod boys". Whether you agree with our troops being in Afghanistan or not, they have chosen to put themselves in harms in order to protect our country from the growing terror threat. I commend them on their bravery, because I could not imagine waking up everyday in a thrid world country and knowing that someone out there is looking to inflict harm upon you and your buddies. Also, do not compare the United States to Russia.

      June 30, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • MaryM

      Well, first the US backed the Taliban against Russia so let's not forget that. Second we are the greatest nation on earth and have the best trained Army. The Army does not train soldiers how to use Ipods my friend. They train us to kill the enemy. Never forget that. The failings of leadership have unfortunately trickled down to the solider on top of the US policy maker's inability to differentiate American custom from Afghan customs.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • america the great

        exactly. you have to train those boys in our army to kill. we are talking about afghans. they were born ready to kill any invaders, conquerers, occupiers, and foreign armies. this is what they do naturally, to kill anyone they feel is a threat to them, thier country, and their familes. history plays a good role as well. all major powers in human history that have tried to conquer afghanistan all failed. gravely. now, are we there to conquer, or capture osama? which one? maybe if we show the taliban that we are not their enemy and that osama is, they might fight along side us. if this war continues it can very much spark a WWIII. we as humans dont need anymore death and destruction. but we cant give up on our mission. but then again our mission isnt exatcly clear.

        July 6, 2010 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Robert Johnson

    "Stop the Snow in Miane"

    Another Mainer dies in Afghanistan also.
    Billions of dollars of corrupt aid money to a corrupt government. What can be do to stop this?
    How about stop voting for the same old senators that sit comfortably on committees.
    I suggest a "Stop the Snow in Maine Campaign". That would get some attention of Washington fat cats.

    Obama's Vietnam is strangling our own country.

    Sick of the Snow in Maine

    June 30, 2010 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Saxton

      "Obama's Vietnam," huh? You do remember that he pulled the Marines out of Iraq, right? Do you honestly think John "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" McCain would have gotten us out by now? Honestly?

      You do know why we went to Afghanistan in the first place, don't you? Remember that day called 9/11?
      The troops WANT to be there, trust me. That's why they signed up for the all-volunteer armed forces.

      June 30, 2010 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
      • USMC1

        Bubba, what the hek are you talking about?

        June 30, 2010 at 11:56 am | Report abuse |
      • OneOFMANYFrustratedAMERICANMoms

        I well remember 9/11. My son who is going to Afghanistan now was only 9 then. Who knew he would have to grow up and go fight THE MAN AMERICA HASN'T CAUGHT YET for something that happened in his childhood~!! We keep losing troops to this man who bombed our country and for what??? I'll bet he's sitting back and watching and laughing at the United States who looks like idiots for not catching him yet after 9 long years and bringing him to justice. How many MORE of Americas sons and daughters will have to die because of 9/11? Its well over the number that died in those towers and on the ground....and the numbers keep climbing. 9/11 is still going on as one very long day with no end in sight. What will it take to end this and make Osama Bin Laden pay for our spilled blood?😦

        June 30, 2010 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • lunchtime_astoria

        I think soldiers do bare some responsibility for their decision to enlist in the military. But, the perceived job security and pay the military offers makes it one of a dwindling few paths for today's young. I wouldn't blame any of them. The voices of those willing to die for a fight they believe so strongly in should not be denied. If you oppose the war, measurement of the soldiers' motivations offers the most. Enlisting today means something totally different than it did in 2002 or 2005.

        June 30, 2010 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      If Kennedy would not have been killed... Maybe the out come of the Vietnam War would have been different!!! It is People like Obama and Kennedy that listen to those that are in charge... Rather like Bush who just listen to Chenney... This Country be better off today!!!

      July 1, 2010 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
  79. Proud Vet

    It's amazing how little we here about our men and women serving our country and paying the ultimate sacrifice, until it reaches the death toll reaches 100. So very unfortunate and sad that we have to tie a number these brave souls in order to it to make it news worthy.
    God Bless every American putting themselves in harms way. My family and I appreciate your sacrifice, and pray for your safe return.

    June 30, 2010 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
  80. Maritta

    We are sending our troops in to be slaughtered, including my son. We are subsidizing the Afghan corruption, that is then used to buy bombs and IED's etc. to kill our service men and women. What the hell is wrong with our leaders? There is no reason that we should lose so many troops under politically correct rules of engagement. We are there to fight, not kiss the asses of the warlords. So many lives are being lost for nothing.

    June 30, 2010 at 10:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Russell

      Maritta, I agree with you wholeheartedly. God Bless your son.

      June 30, 2010 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • stogs

      Maritta – well said........100% agree, bring them home

      June 30, 2010 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
      • tedk55

        Please read Maritta's entire message before you respond. She at no point said to bring them home. Yet you agreed with her 100% to bring them home. She said we need to change the rules of engagement.

        I am actually sitting in Afghanistan right now for a deployment that I volunteered for. I agree that the ROEs need to change, & hopefully we can get rid of the "courageous restraint" crap. Time to get just a few hours of shut eye.

        June 30, 2010 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • lili

      god bless your son!!!!

      June 30, 2010 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Tom Legare

      Maritta,

      I agree with most of what you say BUT after 9 years are we really going to make a difference if we stay 9 more?? Let's just get the hell out of thereand let the crooked Aghans, espoecially their ringleader Karzai have the place.

      June 30, 2010 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
    • DownTownBrown

      Sorry to hear that your son's in the middle of this, but you can take pride in the fact that he believes he's helping his country the best he can.

      I, too, am confused with the current leadership's plans with Afghanistan. It makes no sense to me to "double-down" with troop strength just to pull out in 2011. It's pointless. Many more powerful empires have tried to conquer Afghanistan. They all failed. Alexander the Great, the British, the Russians....what makes the US think they can finish this in one year?

      June 30, 2010 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
      • jackp_78

        They are not going to be brought home in 2011. BO has remained very ambiguous in his statements. He will start a process that will lead to bringing them home, but that will take years to do. BO is a very deceptive person and you must pay very close attention to his words and not read anything into them that isn't there.

        June 30, 2010 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • clr

      I agree. My son was critically wounded there earlier this year. All because of these silly rules of engagement. His best friend was killed – all because of these stupid rules of engagement. They lost 7 men in their unit, and another 8 critically wounded. To show he difference – in 2008 – they had only 2 casualities in the entire deployment. We are tying their hands.

      June 30, 2010 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        Yah, what he was doing there in the first place. he didn't know where he was going when he enlist,.like all other ones. he thought it was a video game.
        I spent 2 Years in Iraq with them, and the first thing they all say they will do when they come home, they will shot their recruters.

        June 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bryan

        Ok. I'm going to respond from a WAR veterans perspective. The rules of engagement are put in place for a reason. To say just scrap them and go all out is to show how much you know about warfare. I don't care how many laser,satellite guided, smart bombs we have. You can't just drop bombs on PEOPLE!!! Especially if you're hitting the wrong people, which is what was happening in Afghanistan. We were killing a lot of civilians and not the so-called enemy!!! Another point is that in any war, you have to have the support of the NATIVE PEOPLE in order to win. Again, I don't care how much technology you have, without the NATIVE PEOPLE, you will be fighting circular warfare, not knowing who the enemy is!!! That's where the US is not trying to be!!! So all of you who think that we should just BOMB THEM ALL are some sick people. I know that you've never seen combat. For the soldiers that are currently in the fight, hold your heads up!!! There has not been a war fought where the soldiers, Marines, airmen, or sailors didn't complain about something. War means someone is going to DIE!!! If you support the war then you have to realize that we will have casualties. If we're not ready for the casualties then we do need to bring them home, but just dropping bombs on an entire country is not acceptable and if the US had knowledge of some government just dropping bombs on people without concern, we would have them up on charges of WAR CRIMES!!! That's exactly what we would be opening our soldiers up to if we took the tactic!!! Some of you people sound no better than the terrorist you claim to hate!!!

        June 30, 2010 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • USMC1

      Thats why I got out. Our leaders have us fighting a battle with our hands tied behind our backs. Get rid of this PC crap and let us fight. We are not police officers, we should be there for only one reason, to eliminate the enemy.

      June 30, 2010 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Thank you! I could not have said this better myself!

        June 30, 2010 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • lunchtime_astoria

        The message that I'm hearing from McCrystal/Obama/Petreus is 'we can't kill our way out of Afghanistan', that we have to sacrifice our soldiers to win the hearts and minds. It doesn't seem to be resonating . . .

        June 30, 2010 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bryan

        The only problem with that concept is all Afghans ARE NOT the enemy. How are you going to differentiate? Or are you just gonna kill them all? Women and children as well? Some marine you are!!!

        June 30, 2010 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        You can start by allowing air support the second it is called for. Fighting a war and "killing everyone you see" are two different things. I don't think any of us are advocating for the slaughter of everyone there... but if you're being shot at from some mud complex, you should call for air support. If that air support is denied, then we should all just leave because that's ridiculous.

        June 30, 2010 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sweetpea

        thaz soo..... tru dude why be orderd to go over there an sit those raggheads!!! killem all.......i hate that feeling my man over there waitin 4 what its not our fight its over ...911 now history!!! bring our troops home!! get tighter security for our nation at the boarders ....supply safty for our counrty ...taliban needs their own armed forces to fight for themselves!! lettme distory their own counrty and kill their own criminals >we cant keep on with this stupidity ...ruining our American families making us women widows and our children fatherless fukk this war!!

        July 3, 2010 at 4:11 am | Report abuse |
    • marinemom

      Maritta,

      As another military mom to another , with mine there also, all i can say for response is AMEN ! ! Im right there with you

      June 30, 2010 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kate

      Maritta, Bless you and your son. As the wife of a currently deployed Marine Officer, I couldn't agree more with your sentiment. Stay strong and don't back down. Best-

      June 30, 2010 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alex

      Maritta,

      Your language is way overboard..Soldiers are not being sent here (Afghanistan) to be slaughtered, roughly 15-20% of the Soldiers sent here see or are invovled in combat operations, rest are support troops, many will never be involved in a combat situation. What does your son do ??? if he is not a combat soldier involved in combat operations, more than likely he spends most of his time on a FOB out of harm's way..

      Also, there are roughly 50,000 military service members here and 100 lost their lives this month, that is only 2% of the forces here...so it's fair to say that your son has a 98% chance of making it back home safely..so I don't see how Soldiers are being "slaughtered"..so pls keep your ignorant remarks to yourself..

      June 30, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • tedk55

        Wow Alex... you must not have been here. IDF (indirect fire) attacks happen multiple times a week. That usually means a mortar hits on base more often than not. Tell your story about being out of harm's way to those poor guys who got nailed by one of the mortar round that lands on our bases wekkly. Or to those who are working near the wire on the base when a suicide bomber comes up with his AK blazing, RPGs firing, & then blowing himself up as close to the fense as possible if he can make it that close... Seen it happen. Fortunately, the perimeter patrols are usually good enough to stop them before they get that close, but there are many miles to protect & only so many defenders of the perimeters. Support operations are in the cross hairs much more often than you obviously think.

        June 30, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      My grandson is there now....I pray daily for all of our troops and that our government will do everything necessary to protect all of our troops and bring them home as soon as possible.

      June 30, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • d

      You have only to study the history of our clandestine foreign policies and practices over the last 60 years to understand the answers to your questions

      June 30, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • The King

      Kill them all, let God sort them our right Maritta? You're right about one thing, this has been a total waste of human life, theirs and ours. This war was started by an idealistic, chicken hawk, born of privilege, obtuse man who wanted to get out from under his daddies shadow. Nine years later, its time to put an end to this madness. Declare victory, shut off the money spigot, and get our people home.

      June 30, 2010 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • nate

        You're obviously getting Iraq and Afghanistan confused. Way to reuse the same old spin you read about Bush thousands of times and make it seem like it was your idea, well done. You're one of the reasons why the left looks so ridiculous, you can't even form your own opinion hahaha.

        June 30, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        The King,that was well put.

        June 30, 2010 at 6:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • USN SAILOR

        Most everyone on here talkin about what bush did was wrong an how we should bring us home and how we should jus bomb the hell out of everyon yallm are nuts listen if president bush did not send all of the troops Navy, Marines, Air force, and Army over here to defend The United States of Americas honor and to show exactly how strong we are and that we will not bow down to foreign terrorists, then what are we if we didnt do jus that.... cowards that we jus say aw hell screw it we just got attacked no big deal... HELL NO i am proud to be fighting for my country an proud to be an American and im proud to be fighting alongside all of my shipmates and supporting all the ground forces around the world whether its afghan or korea or wherever it is i will not bow down nor will any of our troops we joined the military in a time of war and we knew what we were getting into we VOLUNTEERED to defend our country against all enemys foreign and domestic and we will do so to the death if that is to happen and all yall are talkin about we should bring our troops home, no we should not not untill there is stability in the region and any of you who say that the troops die for nothing yall are idiots they died for there country and i salute all of those who have died and to all of us who continue to defend The United States of America, we will prevail and we will keep our heads held high and we will not quit no matter what. Im proud to be a member of the armed forces of america and will always be proud and will serve my country along with all of my fellow service members and to all those who support us thank you so very much you are the reason we keep fighting and keep our heads held high and to those who dont shame on you shame on you!!!! May God Bless every single service member and the ones who havbe died protecting our country you will always be rembered!!!!!!!

        July 1, 2010 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Caloy

      We should have learned a lesson from Vietnam, the only way to win a war is all out war, a limited engagement just allows the enemy to grow stronger. Unless we have the resources and conviction to sustain a full and utter defeat of the enemy, we should not get involved. The death of our troops can only be justified if our objectives are met.

      June 30, 2010 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • MaryM

      Does your son know you're saying things like this? Speaking as a former US Soldier, if my Mom had said anything like this I would have been livid. The American soldier not only fights for the freedom of US citizens he/she fights for the freedoms of the oppressed. Shame on you.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • lunchtime_astoria

        (Matthew 10:34)

        June 30, 2010 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      I'm sure your Son knows the reason why He is there fighting!!! He knows that His fighting is helping the People of that Country to get Freedom... You should be supporting Him not aiding the Enemy!!!

      July 1, 2010 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
  81. Scott

    "Just come home." ~ Ron Paul

    June 30, 2010 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
    • OMMS

      No matter we like it OR not, If we want to end this conflict in Afghanistan, we have to get help from Pakistan, so they can force Afghan Taliban to get on with negotiations with USA.

      We have already tried alone for 9 years alone and its not working..

      We will have to accept the fact that Pakistan Army / ISI will never let India get into any role in Afghanistan..because they do not want to get encircled by india from both sides..

      As soon as we realize above, we can we out of this mess in Afghanistan..

      June 30, 2010 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Manmohan Lal

        India will keep the hostilities in Afghanistan alive as long as her objectives of annexing Pakistan and fulfilling the dream of Maha Bharat (Greater India) are not met. and as long as the hostiliites exist, USA and allies can not leave.

        Leaving Afghanistan is not upto USA and NATO anymore and if you are a Pakistani then you should know this.

        June 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jas

        OR we fight this war like a WAR. Take off the gloves. The principles of COIN are sound but it has to be backed up by all out fighting. If we don't have the will to do that, bring our warfighters home.

        June 30, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ryan Smith

        We do not, nor should we, negotiate with terrorists, we kill them.

        June 30, 2010 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • William

        Manmohan Lal – i.e. propagandist for Pakistan – India is not keeping up hostilities in Afghanistan. Where did you come up with these untruths? – India has always been the target since ancient times – Muslims first then the British and now Kashmir! History written from those times when Kashmir was attacked by the Muslim Hordes are still available! (also proving the area of Kashmir was Hindu and not Muslim!) Give me one example of India attacking another nation even from ancient times! Pakistan on one side and China on the other – both say India wants Land and in truth it is the other way around!

        June 30, 2010 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Manmohan Lal

        William, it is okay to be dumb. Must be your shooder caste genes.

        I promise to you. The dream of Maha Bharat (Greater India) from Afghanistan to the strait of Malacca will become reality.

        Before the USA invaded Afghanistan to liberalize Afghanistan, we Indians were hardly there. Now working under the nose of USA and allies and having 14 plus consultes and cultural centres filled with out agents, we have created so much trouble for the Pakis in Balochistan and etc that they are forced to withdraw forces from the Indian border. It is just a matter of time before the Pakistanis will be forced to withdraw more and going into Pakistan and annexing it will be a walk in the park for us.

        Never underestimate the Brahman mentality. We will never let USA and allies leave Afghanistan untill our objective of Annexing Pakistan is not achieved. Gay Hind.

        June 30, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patriotic Pakistani

        William– U make me sick. U do not have any idea how India is involved in Human right violations in Kashmir and you here u r trying to defend it. Let me lay down some facts related to India,

        1) One example where India attack other nation is when it illegally attack East Pakistan on December 1971 with 400,000
        Troops and cut Pakistan in half. Off course you don't recall that.

        2) India have being Occupying Kashmir for last 60 years. India have Killed 100,000 innocents Muslims civilians in Kashmir
        till date. India have 700,000 troops in Kashmir ( which is a size of New Hampshire in US ). 1 soldier for every 5 civilians with AK-47 on their face. India don't allow referendum in Kashmir because 80% population is Muslims, so they have to fight for their land. So called biggest democracy of world.

        3) India have opened 20 consulates right by Pakistan border in Afghanistan and currently supporting terrorists like
        TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan) and BLA ( Balochistan Liberation Army) to spread Violence in Pakistan, which has not killed 20,000 innocents civilians since 9/11.

        Don't worry buddy Pakistan will make sure that we kick India ass out of Afghanistan.

        June 30, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Manmohan Lal

        Patriotic Pakistani, it is okay to be patriotic but reality is very different.

        It is just a matter of time before India will attack and annex Pakistan. Next will be Bangladesh andAfghanistan.🙂

        Pakistan is already sandwiched. India on east and thanks to USA and allies, India on west too. Your forces have already thinned on both sides.

        All India needs to do is to keep the hostilities in Afghanistan up and running so that the USA and NATO can not leave and India achieves her aim.

        India did it once in 1971 and India will do it again. Just a matter of time. Gay hind.

        June 30, 2010 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • William

        Manmohan Lal: “Knower of all” “shooder caste genes? Gay Hind? Manmohan you have been eating too many Pulled Pork Sandwich’s and enjoying nice Oil Showers with the Sheep in Bikini’s in the Camel room at Joey’s Strip Club and Carwash! Koranicus Moronicus!

        June 30, 2010 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jester

        @Mahmohan.... India is already sitting on land that historically never belonged to India. India needs to realize that or they can get themselves stuck like US and NATO . Pakistan seems to have learned well from previous expereinces and it looks like as if they are playing US, however I beleive things can get much easier for US and NATO if India is kicked out of the equation

        July 1, 2010 at 12:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.

        For 9 1/2 years we have been going about it the wrong way... Now we are training the People so they will be able to take care of themselves!!! There is a big difference...

        July 1, 2010 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
      • ace

        we all understand that war time is never easy, but we always made it better with family and friends here in the heart land. happy fourth and god bless. oh and if we were not at war with them, they would be in your back yard they get bored and 9/11 all over again. we keep them preoccupied so we can live with out that fear again, thanks to all the men and women who volentearly sign up to keep us safe here.

        July 4, 2010 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Martoon

      CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC: How many Taliban casualties were there for the same period? The media implies that US forces are ineffective. Well, the administration needs to make up its minds: win or leave. Did we learn nothing from the Russians in Afghanistan???

      June 30, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • rrock

        Declare a win a leave. Spending hundreds of billions supporting a corrupt government for a no win war is nuts.

        June 30, 2010 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        not even the same thing – the russians were there in the late 70's early 80's – hopefully our technology and intelligence is a little better than what they were working with. .

        June 30, 2010 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • haider

        To Manmohan. How do you think that ur India can ever occupy Afghanistan? Have you forgotten the 1000 years rule by afghans on ur country or the 17 time continuous fall of ur empire in the hands of Mehmoud Ghaznavi? you people were defeated by the Kashimiri Civilians in the 1948, u had to go to UN to stop their advance in Kashmir, you have been defeated by Pakistan 2 times where u had to pull ur forces back to ur land although pakistani army was much much less than ur one and had less equipmenta and money than u....You people have never occupied any country and its unlikely to do it now too....Wassalam

        July 1, 2010 at 2:49 am | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.

        For one thing with Obama as President we have a chance to make good changes in both Countries!!! It was Bush tha tstarted the Iraq War and took Our Troops out of Afghanistan for that war... Instead of going after the ones that really attacked us!!!

        July 1, 2010 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Ryan Smith

      DOES ANYONE REMEMBER 9/11?!?!?

      LET'S NOT FORGET THAT'S WHY WE ARE IN AFGHANISTAN IN THE FIRST PLACE!

      PLAIN AND SIMPLE.... FIGHT TO WIN!

      June 30, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eye for Eye

        You vile ryan.. That's getting old as "does anyone remember slavery"? ..

        On the other hand, Does Anyone REMEMBER IRAQ? That's genocide.

        June 30, 2010 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • MaryM

        eye for eye,
        9/11 is not old and will never get old. What are you Genocide are you talking about in Iraq? The gasing of the Kurds? we took care of that problem and we'll take care of this one too.

        June 30, 2010 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Will

        Do you really believe that?

        June 30, 2010 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        Here's more of that right-wing mob mentality.

        June 30, 2010 at 5:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • BUBBA--ALABAMA STYLE!!!

        Ryan,you're a right-wing idiot and that's all there is to that!!!

        June 30, 2010 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Raheel

        Smith, everyone knows that "Who is behind 9/11" Its an Open Secret that Bush administration has done this.
        Your own Experts reveal these facts. You have taken Afghans lightly killing thousands of Innocent Kids & Women..
        This is not Patriotism but to lead oneself into a ditch....

        July 6, 2010 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
    • William

      Manmohan Lal: “shooder caste genes? Gay Hind? Manmohan you have been eating too many Pulled Pork Sandwich’s and enjoying nice Oil Showers with the Sheep in Bikini’s in the Camel room at Joey’s Strip Club and Carwash! Koranicus Moronicus!

      June 30, 2010 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Xugos

        You're kidding, right? Whoever the hell this Manmohan guy is, he most likely isn't a muslim because "Manmohan" is a Sikh name, not a muslim. (Hence the PM of India Manmohan Singh).

        Either way, even if he was a muslim, there's no reason to be hateful towards an entire religion.

        June 30, 2010 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • William

        Xugos – But it is O.K. for Manmohan to call Hindu’s Gays and “Shudras” I guess it’s OK to make fun of Hindu’s but not Muslims because they might rise up if we hurt their feelings!!! – Wake up idiot!

        July 1, 2010 at 12:44 am | Report abuse |
    • DenverFlubb

      I agree, we need to get out of there.

      June 30, 2010 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • BABAK

      My heat goes out to the Afghani people. I am I more concerned about my young friends whom are getting shot at. I agree...let's just bring them home.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry Valecia, Calif.

        All your Friends have to do is put down Their guns and quit killing Americans... Then they wouldn't have to worry about dieing!!! But as long as they insist on killing Americans and the Israel People... We will be there to stop them!!!

        July 1, 2010 at 11:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Carl

      Indeed, just come home. Ron Paul 2012.

      June 30, 2010 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • LenoreBill

      Does anybody remember Viet Nam? We fought that war with one hand tied behind our backs. It was run by the Politicians in Washington just as the Afgan war is. We should do it like Desert Storm or WW II. Employ every armed force asset (including NUKES) to end it quick. The Russians were there for TEN YEARS and left with their tails between their legs. He who forgets the past is destined to relive it!!!!!

      July 3, 2010 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • debi

      I agree they need to come home, my son is in the 101 .. let the Afghans defend and kill each other.. we have no business there.. my son should not come to harm for people that don't care about us or themselves or life in general....

      July 5, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |