June 25th, 2010
10:59 AM ET

Islamist websites: McChrystal fired because war is lost

The recent change in commanders in Afghanistan is proof the U.S and its allies have lost the war, statements posted on two Islamist websites said Thursday.

Taliban spokesman Qari Mohammad Yousif Ahmadi said in one statement President Barack Obama wanted to save face by firing Gen. Stanley McChrystal and bringing in Gen. David Petraeus. McChrystal was relieved of duty - although he technically resigned - Wednesday after he and his staff made comments in a Rolling Stone magazine article that appear to mock top civilian officials, including the vice president.

"History is evident of more powerful and experienced generals than General McChrystal and empires mightier than the United States of America being surrendered and bowed down before the Afghans," Ahmadi said, according to the website statement.

Ahmadi said McChrystal's strategy of increasing the number of troops in Afghanistan had been futile and led to the change in commanders. The Taliban spokesman said the change in command is useless because Petraeus, the new Afghan commander, is weak.

"Indeed, he has got no (more) special qualities than General McChrystal had," Ahmadi said in his statement.

In another statement, a group calling itself the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan said Petraeus is mentally worn out because of the lengthy war, which began in October 2001.

"Nine years of military actions, different strategies and back-breaking monetary and life damages at the hands of mujahedeen have left the crusaders totally in distress," the statement said.

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  1. Aziz

    I wonder why america is having such a strong determination to save the poor Afghan ppl against Al Qaida and Taliban by bringing War to Afghanistan for which they made grounds based on 9/11 attacks.
    Why couldn't they protect their nation by that time in first place. Secondly if we accept it was something which was not expected to happen or they were not ready for it by that time, then why not now.......? why are they not spending money and time to increase their defence against such attacks by the ppl who don't even possess a country, fighter planes, navy, missiles, drones, tanks, atomic bomb, or truely convincing force which the world must have seen by now.. They claim they are leaders in developivg defensive technology and acting truely offensive throughout the world..
    Interest in war must have solid reasons, benefits or conflicts, which for terrorists and Taliban have not been clearly shown to world. Have they been illtreated in one way or other? Do they demand for something? Will they get any benefit by terrorizing ppl? Find out the problem in solve it. War is never a solution to anything.
    And the offensive behaviour may shows the interest in War against terrorism may be something else for the opposite side.

    July 5, 2010 at 6:29 pm | Report abuse |
  2. torben09

    You were talking about a NAME, and that was what I commented on. I didn't express my opinion on Islam, just stating some facts, or any other religion for that matter. So stick to the issue instead of continuing with your philosophical babble. Although you try hard to impersonate a wise man, you don't succeed. First of all, with all your comments here on CNN, it's wise, if you weren't so hard to understand in English. And who am I impersonating ?

    June 29, 2010 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Daniel-2

    I didn't bother to to read what you have written simply because i know the first part is a 'copy and paste' which i have already read and quite likely agree with anyway. The second reason is that i know the latter part is unmitigated drivel.

    June 29, 2010 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Shrek

    Stop with all that brown nosing.

    June 29, 2010 at 11:39 am | Report abuse |
  5. torben09

    You really are stupid, dug down in your radical islamism. In all other parts of the world, like in the US, a lot of people, from different nations, are living there, and we don't give a damn, what their name is. We don't forbid the name of Ahmed there, although we're mainly a Christian nation, and whatever your name is, you're allowed to practice whatever religionn you want to, as long as it's not hurting other people. In your place people get killed, if they want to convert to another religion

    June 29, 2010 at 5:31 am | Report abuse |
  6. naser

    US has the highest crime rate in the world, why don't they secure their own people instead of other regions??

    June 29, 2010 at 2:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Yeah man. The streets of Scranton PA are so much more dangerous than places like Marjah and Sangin.

      June 29, 2010 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  7. naser

    When Afghans were hardly fighting the Russians, Americans called them brave people; even Hollywood made movies about bravery of Afghan people. But when a small part of Afghan population which is much smaller than those who fought Russians, Americans call it toilet and other bad names. These are the same people as they were 20 years ago. If the history of US is full of invasions, the history of Afghanistan is also full of wars of freedom. Freedom is a gift of God.

    June 29, 2010 at 2:51 am | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      There can be no freedom when the mind is enslaved.

      June 30, 2010 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Rick Cox

    Just Nuke the whole darn place and be done with it! The US should quit trying to befriend these idiots and destroy them all. Turn afganistan into a total nuclear wateland and let them have it.

    June 28, 2010 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
  9. estefan

    General McChrystal fired his Press Aide over the article, in Friday's edition of Rolling Stone; however, others know it was for being a 'snitch.' General McChrystal's slimey toad Aide, was a snitch for Biden/Obama. Yeah, and now that's one GONE SNITCH, yeah one LONG GONE SNITCH. That's a snitch that's not comin' back.

    June 28, 2010 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • torben09

      I never thought about it that way. But you might be right, that the Press Aide was "planted" there, as the whole situation seems ridiculous to me, otherwise, knowing that McChrystal is the coolest person I've ever known, so it seems strange to me, if he suddenly can't handle this one reporter, after having had to handle hundreds a day, and he had quite some time at hand, sleeping only 4 hours a day, and not using the silverware of an ordinary deskgeneral, for his only one meal a day, so he'll have time enough to run his daily 10 miles. What a general ! It's such a pity to see a man like him to go, and just being replaced by a "politician" like Petraeus, who has never been liked, when he was the NATO-commander before.

      June 29, 2010 at 5:42 am | Report abuse |
  10. roberta kaufman

    the greatest weapon any of us have in warfare is a good heart connected to good merciful god who would die that we might live. there will be division until he comes back there will be wars there will be people casting blame on every side
    innocent people will die and evil people will seemingly have no end My prayer is for our soldiers first and their suffering families then for the innocent victims of this and every war my prayer is for the good god of heaven to enter into receptive hearts and turn what was once a twisted idealogy into the light of his word and truth for it is true every knee shall bow and because he is merciful he grieves for every lost soul

    June 28, 2010 at 6:23 am | Report abuse |
  11. Ahmed

    Another Pro Palestinian organization talk about western defeat. These Islamic organizations are in total denial to where they stand in this world. Go get some education and find a job!!!

    June 27, 2010 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
  12. ikenna

    Actually,American soldier has shown a lot of bravery by representing themselves as a soldiers while fighting the terrorist Taliban who would only hide in the mist of women and children for protection at the expense of women and children should American soldiers shoot at them.who said that the war is lost? Breaking into Afghan border alone is a victory.so winning the Taliban is just a way of bringing peace to Afghans.so if Afghans fail to accept peace then they should accept victory.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Report abuse |
  13. dukenukem

    I am ready to go. Just tell me when to press the switch and start the countdown. Guaranteed victory and DNA distress.

    Yours truly

    dukenukem

    June 27, 2010 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
  14. Smith in Oregon

    There is no Military Only led success for American and NATO in Afghanistan, I believe most people here and on the battlefield of occupied Afghanistan realize or know that already. It is entirely not helpful for the CIA and black op's to attack Taliban treaty meetings held by Karzai's aides and those brokered by the UN which occurred earlier this year.

    The US State Dept. needs to begin mid-level treaty meetings with the Taliban and Pashtun fighters across Afghanistan and then finalize some sort of civil rights for all Afghanistan citizens including the Muslim women that all can agree on.

    June 27, 2010 at 4:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Daniel-2

      what kind of seed do you feed that cuckoo listen to?

      June 29, 2010 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Albert

    The truth is that Afghan is a toilet. You act like you are proud to live in a toilet.

    June 26, 2010 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • foo

      hmm. What goes into the toilet? a four star excrement? along with thousands of regular excrement and mercenary excrement?

      June 27, 2010 at 1:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      "along with" should be "Along with"

      June 27, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • hothead007

      USA is worst toilet than afghanistan because you coward christian crusaders dump all your spearm illigimately into yours womenfolk tahts why 70% people born in USA are bas-rds.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Daniel-2

      hothead007. If the taliban catch you reading that p0rnography they will cut off more than your hand. Then you really will have something to complain about, your 'shortcoming's' for a start.

      June 29, 2010 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Dianne

    f- this war

    June 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
  17. txkboy

    Leave it to CNN to give validity to Islamic websites.

    June 26, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
  18. opus

    Why does anyone care about terrorist propaganda? AS for the history of the country and the US's ability there, the war was winnable but never by the Bush administration because "winning" was never the point. All Afghanistan was for Bush was a stepping stone into Iraq. The only comparable analogy from before to now would be the Soviets, but even that's specious as the Soviets were fighting US backed fighters, where as the US is now fighting Arab backed terrorists.

    June 26, 2010 at 7:30 am | Report abuse |
  19. Smith in Oregon

    Al Qaeda left Afghanistan years ago and are living in Pakistani ISI-CIA safe houses. If that were the goal and reason for America to invade and occupy Afghanistan, Mission Accomplished, that war was won.

    There is no military only solution to the Taliban. Afghanistan citizens are the Taliban. America and the NATO troops are not going to perform genocide on the Afghanistan citizens, so the Taliban will always exist and always be present in Afghanistan.

    Bring in mid-level US State Dept. deputy's and begin working out a future for Afghanistan which includes civil rights for the women in Afghanistan with the Taliban leaders.

    June 25, 2010 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • opus

      That's funny, you really think the CIA is keeping al-Qaeda safe in Pakistan? And Afghan civilians are no more Taliban than German citizens were Nazi's.

      June 26, 2010 at 7:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Trash

      You are an unmitigated idiot. Funny though, all that safehouse bunk.

      June 26, 2010 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Jester

      ISI is the only reason that is keeping Taliban from eating US-NATO sushi. Check your facts

      June 28, 2010 at 9:44 am | Report abuse |
      • torben09

        You are really out of your mind. If it hadn't been for ISI, the Taleban had lost a long time ago, having noone other to supply them with guns,ammunition (made in Pakistan) and explosives, and having no safe haven to escape to, in Pakistan, everytime they are fleeing from our bullets. You clearly don't know a thing about, what you're talking about, and you're telling us, to check facts, that we see every day !!!

        June 28, 2010 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Murtaza babar

    The great Afghans already win war from first day. Pl, stop your sons and daughters sending Afghanistan

    June 25, 2010 at 5:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • torben09

      We are NOT fighting the Afghan people, like the Russians did, but we're fighting Al Qaeda and the Taleban, for the SAKE of the Afghan people, so they will have an opportunity, finally, after so many years in constant war, to taste peace and real prosperity, and a good education for all children there, so they all can get a good future. We're not trying to win a war, beating up the Afghans, as you propagandists always cry out about.

      June 26, 2010 at 7:45 am | Report abuse |
      • Jester

        well thats just great, I think its about time you stopped doing that, because you yourself do not know what to do, now you say Taliban, first it was Al-Qaeda. I wonder who will you start fighting when you think fighting Taliban is not fun anymore

        June 28, 2010 at 9:42 am | Report abuse |
  21. Dan in Lafayette, IN

    The facts and the truth are that the Taliban and it's terrorist ally al Qaeda are murderers of innocent people and fight only for power and control over the people! They have nothing to offer the people of Afghanistan but terror and oppression! Whereas the new government has to offer a modern and civilized Afghanistan where everyone will have an opportunity to be successful and all children will be able to go to school and have a say in how the government is run not just a few tyrannical rulers whose only concern is power!

    June 25, 2010 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Edward Nashville, TN

    This will be a tough war to conclude successfully. The Russians fought the Afgans for over a decade and finally pulled out. As long as they have the Taliban, places to hide, and poppy to produce drugs they will fight because they know we are leaving soon.

    June 25, 2010 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stuck In Afghany

      A major reason Russia pulled out is because we helped Afghanistan.

      June 26, 2010 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        That's not true and you know it! the reason Russia pulled out of Afghanistan was the fact the the war was a drain on the national economy and as then the Afghans saw the Russians as foreigners the same way the see the NATO forces today.Just when are these right-wing morons going to realize the simple fact that the Afghans do not want foreign rule?

        June 28, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        If Russia knew then what they know now, they would not have tried to hold the ground and would have bombed the h3ll out of the place until it was uninhabitable. Then and only then they would have moved in to extract the minerals. but hindsight is a wonderful thing to have.

        June 29, 2010 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Radical

    I think the American people become more pathetic they lie to there self and want the other to believe that the use is losing because it want to loss in Afghanistan and want us to convent that the USA let its son to be burn in Afghanistan because they not interest in wining .....this is so funny you are actually so conceited and about the western civilized country this is even more funny did you forget your crimes in Vietnam and bombing civilians with tons of explosive .....how about nuke the Nagasaki and Hiroshima children s and women with atomic bomb i think this was so civilize and how about raping and acting gay with Iraqi civil ion in abou griap jail ......about the courage topic i think the one who fight in a plane at thousands of feet and bomb the civil ion and the one who wear protected suit to not being killed and who urinate on them self on the war zone and hide inside shielded armor is the most cowardly person in the world ...and the one who dose not afraid to die and blow up him self in his enemy is the most brave in the world .....stop lien to your self OK

    June 25, 2010 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      I read 50% of what you posted and only1% made any sense at all.

      June 25, 2010 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jaybob

      We wear armored suits because NOT protecting yourself is stupid and downright suicidal. It's that Muslim courage that had men abandoning their wives and children to die in Bosnia (not that the Serbs were right). It's that Muslim courage that straps suicide vests to mentally handicapped people and children.

      There wasn't anything "gay" about Abu Gharib prison. Despite what the pictures look like, that is a female pointing and laughing at the nude POW's "endowments". I'd say that's quite mild compared to beheading someone.

      Here I was thinking that bullying and murdering the civilians was cowardly. That, and hiding behind women and children.

      Hopefully we can have you log on one day and tell us all what lead tastes like.

      June 25, 2010 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Trash

      Here is the depth of though the enemy has. They are ignorant medieval morons.

      June 26, 2010 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Radical comes on here and talks about American "crimes" as if the Taliban doesn't threaten and behead people for wild accusations of "working with the infidels" by making bread for their village. The Taliban who hide behind women and children because they have no regard for life... only regard for their sick views on religion. This is just terrorist propaganda.

      June 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • rik

      I think the Taliban are still hiding in caves and will remain hiding in caves because that's what they do best when not cross dressing in women's clothing. How embarrassing it must be to meet allah in a dress.

      June 26, 2010 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jaybob

        I lol'd. Seriously.

        "Well, you see, what had happened was..."

        Hitting the wrong target with a drone by accident and beheading 11 people up close and personal are at completely different ends of the spectrum.

        June 27, 2010 at 11:56 am | Report abuse |
    • dfox2116

      thats funny that you mentioned U.S being cowards i just read the news that a Taliban Commander was shot dead after he was hiding behind woman and children and even dressed like a woman so he could not be found. Your so proud of the Taliban but what have they done for their own country even before the U.S came there? all they brought to their own people was civil war and destruction.

      June 26, 2010 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • DJ

        THats funny thought the US was so cowardly and here we have tough alpha male warriors dressing (And getting killed) like women...God is SHH at these idiots...

        June 28, 2010 at 12:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        I understand he had a picture of Freddy mercury in his purse. As a mark of respect they should bury them together.

        June 29, 2010 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • DJ

      English do you friggin speak it clown?

      June 28, 2010 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Jaybob

    The truth is, if we just stabilize the region enough and meet the deadline, Taliban Borat will be on his website telling everyone about his victorious "great success!".

    June 25, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Iraq Paramedic

    Hey Ahmadi, the only reason you & the Afghanis as you call them are still alive is because we are civilized people who do consider human life, male & female, to be very valuable. Unlike you & your so called warriors, who are actually demons of satan, you will swim in the lake of fire with lucifer. If the USA or the coallition or Russia for that matter wanted to we could step on you & crush your country like a bug. We don't want to, we are trying to give the GOOD people of Afghanistan the chance to live a good civilized, peacefull & prosperous life whereas you and your kind only want to keep them under your foot so you can feel like men which you are not. May GOD have mercy on your soul.
    May GOD bless & keep us all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    June 25, 2010 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • torben09

      Good reply. You're completely right. It would only take days to roll over Afghanistan, if we wanted. But we're not random killers of women and children, like Ahmadi and his kinds are. They're only cowards, hiding behind women skirts, while they're talking grand words. Just get out of your hiding, and fight like men, against men, and let's see who's the toughest

      June 25, 2010 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • foo

        "Drone attack kills 33 civilians"
        what a brave and good hearted army.

        June 27, 2010 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
      • DJ

        Indeed...these people are lucky this conflict is with the happier US...if we got the greenlight we'd obliterate the whole country and to that foo guy...how do you know those were civilians? Theres no way every single strike ONLY killed civilians and NO militants...but then these cowards hide all the time so you'd barely know the difference...

        June 28, 2010 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        foo. I read about that strike and was intrigued to read that the taliban surrounded the compound and would not let anyone near the bodies. I wonder what they were hiding?

        June 29, 2010 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      Hey,Iraq Paramedic,who are you to decide who the "good" people of Afghanistan are???

      June 28, 2010 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Daniel-2

        Who are you to question his Judgement?

        June 30, 2010 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • naser

      Why US ivaded Iraq, was it really for WMD??

      Answer: 1- because Israel was not safe 2- After Saudi, Iraq has the largest oild reserves 3 – Saddam was the only dictator opposed to US policty in Mideast

      June 29, 2010 at 2:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Exactly how much oil has left Iraq for American ports?

        June 29, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
  26. hothead007

    Afghanis donot boost its Allah will not yours

    June 25, 2010 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      What's a donot boost? does it come with raspberry jelly filling?

      June 25, 2010 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • opus

        Why pick on him just because English isn't his native language?

        June 26, 2010 at 7:27 am | Report abuse |
      • foo

        "does it" should be "Does it".

        June 27, 2010 at 1:32 am | Report abuse |
      • Onesmallvoice

        That was very funny,Funny boy.If this war was not so obnoxious,I'd laugh myself sick!

        June 28, 2010 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • estefan

        why??_____General McChrystal fired his Press Aide over the article, set to appear in Friday's edition of Rolling Stone; however, others know it was for being a 'snitch.' General McChrystal's slimey toad Aide, was a snitch for Biden/Obama. Yeah, and now that's one GONE SNITCH, yeah one LONG GONE SNITCH. That's a snitch that's not comin' back.

        June 28, 2010 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • hothead007

        boost means donot show off, an i am sure english not being my native language i can still speak, write & read better english than most of you coward christian crusaders

        June 28, 2010 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stuck In Afghany

      mmmmmmmmm......donuts

      June 26, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • bubba

      In Afghanistan, Afghanis are money. The people in Afghanistan are called AFGHANS.

      June 27, 2010 at 1:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry Valecia, Calif.

      Group shames UN

      Watchdog NGO speaks out on silence of United Nations following atrocities

      By Peter Worthington, QMI Agency

      One of the more interesting organizations concerned with both the fate of the world and the people in it is UN Watch.

      Set up in 1993, it’s a Geneva-based non-governmental organization in place to monitor the UN itself.

      What’s significant is UN Watch uses the UN Charter itself to scrutinize what goes on inside that body. In other words, UN Watch doesn’t set the standards, the UN does. UN Watch simply judges the UN by its own yardstick.

      Governed by an international board, the Canadian representative is Irwin Cotler, former minister of justice and attorney general.

      As a quick summary, the UN Charter’s aim is: 1. To avoid the “scourge” of war; 2. To advance human rights and equal treatment; 3. To establish justice and allegiance to international law; 4. To promote social progress and enhance freedom.

      To achieve these goals, the UN urges tolerance, understanding, fairness, social progress and the practice of good neighbourliness and peaceful means.

      All pretty standard. All idealistic. Using these guidelines, UN Watch has earned lots of respect, but achieved little in hellholes like Darfur and Congo, or Burma, or for women in Iran, Haiti, Kyrgyzstan and other places that abuse people.

      So why, if it has little effect, does UN Watch continue its mission?

      A good question, but continue it does. This month its executive director, Hillel Neuer, addressed the UN’s Human Rights Council.

      Here is his succinct report, without comment, which itself strikes me as an indictment so damning of the UN, it requires no embellishing:

      “In Article 1 of the Vienna Declaration (and Program of Action), the states assembled here committed to protect all human rights. Is the Council living up to this obligation? Focusing thematically on the right to life, let us consider one example from each of the past 12 months:

      • June 2009: Tehran. Hundreds of thousands gather peacefully to protest a questionable election. The government responds with brutality. Dozens are killed, hundreds injured, thousands arrested.

      • July: China. Troops fire on Uighur protesters; 200 killed, 1,700 injured.

      • August: Russia. Two aid workers killed in Chechnya, government complicity suspected.

      • September: Yemen. Government warplanes bomb a refugee camp, killing 80.

      This council’s response? Silence.

      • October: Iraq. A terrorist attacks a mosque, killing the imam and 14 others.

      • November: The Philippines. Massacre of 57 opposition activists.

      • December : Iran. Renewed protests meet with bullets, beatings, arrests; 10 killed.

      • January: Pakistan. In 42 attacks, 182 civilians killed.

      Council’s response? Silence.

      • February: Afghanistan. A Taliban attack kills 18, injuring 32, including doctors.

      • March: Nigeria. Five hundred Christians slaughtered in religious killings.

      • April: Kyrgyzstan. Troops fire on demonstrators; 84 killed.

      • May: Libya executes 18 foreigners, without due process.

      “Mr. President, faced with these and other gross violations of the Vienna Declaration, what was this council’s standard response? Silence. No resolutions; no urgent sessions; no investigations. Nothing.

      “Yet ... when Israel defended itself against violent Jihadists on the so-called humanitarian flotilla, we witnessed another standard — a double-standard.

      “Suddenly the council sprang into action, with an urgent debate, a resolution condemning Israel, and yet another investigation where the guilty verdict was declared in advance. Meanwhile, in this session, not a single resolution has been adopted for 191 other countries.

      “Is the right to life, as guaranteed under the Vienna Declaration, being protected? No — on the contrary. And millions of victims are paying the price.”

      Click here for video of speech.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • torben09

        Isn't this completely off-topic ?

        June 28, 2010 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Onesmallvoice

      The word you are groping for but missing is Boast (lit to brag or make an insubstantial claim) for an example see the post by Foo...

      June 29, 2010 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |