Update: Seven of the 10 NATO troops killed in Afghanistan on Monday were
Americans, an International Security Assistance Force spokesman said.
Violence erupted in southern Afghanistan on Monday, with three NATO-led troops slain in combat and two people killed in a strike on a police training center, officials said. Across Afghanistan a total of 10 troops, including seven Americans, were killed Monday, making it one of the deadliest
days for coalition forces, officials added.
Two service members died after a roadside bombing attack and another was killed in small arms fire, NATO's International Security Assistance Force said.
The U.S. Embassy in Kabul said an American citizen and another person died in an attack on a police training center in Kandahar.
"Our sympathies go out to those who lost loved ones in this callous attack. The United States will continue to stand with our Afghan partners to fight terrorism and help the Afghan government provide security, safety and prosperity to its people," it said.
The Afghan Interior Ministry said three suicide attackers who assaulted the center were killed. One driving a Toyota Corolla struck the police training center tower and two suicide attackers who attempted to enter the center detonated themselves at the facility's gate.
In eastern Afghanistan Monday, an improvised explosive device killed five NATO troops, according to an International Security Assistance Force news release.
In a separate operation, a service member was killed by small arms fire in eastern Afghanistan, and another was killed by a roadside bomb in southern Afghanistan.
An ISAF spokesman said seven of the 10 slain NATO troops were Americans.
American soldiers endanger their lives for American wealthy politicians. This is not the matter of Taliban or terrorism. This is war for Oil of Caspean Sea. Don't send your dear ones to Afghanistan, cuz u lose them.
Have a great time.
Afghan people fight hard, they never be defeated
Mujahedeen Leader: "This is Afghanistan... Alexander the Great try to conquer this country... then Genghis Khan, then the British. Now Russia. But Afghan people fight hard, they never be defeated. Ancient enemy make prayer about these people... you wish to hear?"
Rambo III: "Very good. It says, 'May God deliver us from the venom of the Cobra, teeth of the tiger, and the vengeance of the Afghan.' Understand what this means? "
this is the most recent update, once names are released
Please, do you happen to know the names of the soldiers that died on this attack. My family needs to know because my brother is recently serving in Afganistan. Praying for all of the soldiers serving no matter where it is. and deepest sympathy to all the family and friends that lost their loved ones.... God bless
I now realize why I never wanted to do this blogging thing before. It is because of the idiots that are on it. I guess you would rather sit in your comfortable office or cushy living room getting fatter than actually doing something constructive for your country. I am the gritty grunt on the ground but would rather control drones that kill the enemy than sit there, Reza, and talk about something that you obviously know nothing about
respect to you Sgt but i dont like to live with my conscious i dont have innocent blood on my hands
I call it a good shot! Hide with your women and children.We will find you and we will kill you. You know this. So go hide if you care about your family then hide somewhere away from them.
The Taliban are cowards, they hide behind the local population and get women and children killed let alone strap on bombs and kill as many men, women and children as possible! They all will see justice before they die and thereafter!
dan any thought of unmanned drones killing people unreservedly from so call soldiers sitting in a cushy room in pentagon as if playing on x /box
what do u call that , honourable , valiant gritty, proud hero surely surely not coward i guess they will seej ustice as well may be another medal , talk show or even a seat on the senate i know what type of heroism i would choose ,do you ????
I call that a direct response to a horrible terrorist organization that will use civilian casualties to convince people like you that N.A.T.O. forces are bad and the Taliban isn't. Instead of complaining about drones, why not complain about the sick individuals in the Taliban who hide behind civilians and couldn't care less who gets killed?
War is defensive as well as offensive and if we can kill the enemy without putting our men in harms way then that is God's way to tell you you do not mess with the USA!
The Taliban have the skill and the strategy to win this war!! America/Nato are in big, big trouble. Stop wasting precious young American lives and get out of Afghanistan instead of facing an inevitable humiliating defeat at the hands of the Taliban!!
Who do you think taught them the skill and strategy that you think so highly of. It was us! And as for your wasted young lives. When fighting for what you believe and for what is right, no life is wasted. If you think we only stare at defeat, which we do not, than serch your heart for courage and join the team. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut.
"Who do you think taught them the skill and strategy that you think so highly of. It was us! " So you have been training the Taliban instead of fighting them??? HA HA HA. You've been a very good trainer, you taught them everything including how to defeat you!!!!
Eric, he's talking about when we supplied weapons and training to the Afghans to fight the Russians in the 1980's.
So Steve, the mushroom, you have promoted yourself to the official spokesman for the mentally challenged members of the US armed forces!!!!!
Eric, you're still and ignorant fool. And you're not cunning or funny, either.
Thank you CNN for covering this war. Fox news and most other news media do not speak of this war. Everyone forgets the 3000 people that were killed on our soil. Had that not happened we would not be in this war today. Please remember the brave men that are in arms way today.They are proud of their mission and they will succeed.I pray for them and I pray for their families.It is extreme hate that has brought us to this foriengn soil. Our nation does have a disconnect to this war because we have a voluntary military. It is only the people that have loved one in harms way that care about what is going on. The others might say they care but because they do not have a loved one in the fight and they know there is zero odds of them every having one they really just do not care. We have the best military in the world and no army can defeat us! It is the cowards, do nothings, cry babies that will defeat this nation. Go 2-508 4th brigade combat time. We are proud of you!!
this is so weird most of American forget on premeditated or not that the main reason that Ben-laden pronouncement that the main reason for Attaching US is the blind support for Israel and the tons of weapons and Amos that us give to Israel that goes in the chest of Palestinian children i know that most of you are Jewish and consider Palestinian more similar to ancient Indian and Israel have right to steal there land but believe it or not the all things wont stop until you stop supporting Israel
ok, where do i FIND the names of our soldiers that we lost? i cannot find where they were released and i have a very close friend out there that has been out of touch. help?
keep in mind, this list does NOT include coalition civilian casualties. (contractors, etc)
americans call 7/11 mass murder terrorism fair enough but what does american call hundreds of death everyday by unmanned drones :50plus woman and children dead in yemen answer we were supporting the yemen government
hundreds innocents dead in pakistan we were suppoting pakistani government
hundreds dead in afghanistan we did informed the afghan government
would american send drones in a highly populated of lts lets say new york where they had firm confirmation of terrorist activities or hideout thought not and the mighty of USA wants to win the war dont think sooooo !!!!!!!
and till there is no equality between an afghan and american you wil continue to see this tragic deads more.becuse it is the fundamental of democracy that america wants in afghanistan.if democracy was something could brought by force,afghanistan would be the super democracy since past four decades.why do you try to prove something that is proved?thanks
ziya, you can have an Islamic state as long as you do not act out on your hatred for the west. This is why we are there and will stay until you can learn to love one another instead of killing everybody who does not believe in the hateful writings in the Koran! It is your faith that has to be reformed and in the end God will have none of it because of all the hatred!
why you are so nervous dan!!!!!! you should know that there was three main aims of us to do in afghanistan.
2decrease opioum production
3finishing taliban regieme
let me say something for you ,after us invasion opioum prouduction increased about thirty percent.now civilian people is killed.and still taliban is powerful.is it a success?deads for what?and i have to make sure that i am not defending taliban.i hate them.but without any information about koran you can not say something like that for a holly book.i have respect for bible koran tourat or anything else.i hate american political adminstration not all americans.
So you hate the United States government and it is OK to kill civilians as in the embassy bombings, subway bombings and let us not forget 9/11! The Taliban were harboring the terrorists that planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks and are killers of women and children let alone they poison little girls and throw acid on their faces only because they want to go to school. They should never rule over anybody and should pay for all of their injustices! GO ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, MARINES AND ALL OTHER SOLDIERS FIGHTING THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN! GOD BE WITH YOU!
the real war would be against poverty.it is the main reason of war and violennce around the world.but america doesnt do that in afghanistan really.abama and jones think that they bring peace to afghanistan by forces.i think american administration decieving normal citizens of us.they tought that they can change two towers with two countries so cheaply by lies.time will show all the realities.the alqaeda that american administration looking for is fuel and opioum not osama bin laden.the responsible of the dead soldiers and civilians is directly american administration and indirectly american people.
10 terrorsts occupiers less in the world
You are right, I do not blame american people., they are hard working people who want a good life for themselves and for their children, just like everyone else in the world..
but the government is just tyring to increase its super power status by killing people, just like the europeans did before, and like the american settlers did by killing native americans....
For your information Kabuli the American settlers first became friends with the natives and began trading with them. This is how thanksgiving came about. It was not until the Native Indians began scalping and killing the settlers did we begin to fight a war with them! And as for the Islamic extremists, it was not until they attacked us that we went to war with them! So get your facts straight!
We respect the vallues of democracy, they soldiers arent blame the politicians are blame. even the politicians in Afghanistan dont have good will for them.
To the mothers of 130000 soldiers,
I hope to understand, dont wait for the funerals of your sons and daughters. Raise your voice and bring them safe. otherise one day they will return back to US by the feet of death and with the hands of failure.
May GOD bless & keep them all & give the departed eternal rest in heaven.
May GOD bless & keep us all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no matter what you say, you can never bring back the millions of people who lost their homes , loved ones and saw them die...their lives have been ruined for no reason. Bin ladin is a big excuse which we have never heard from since almost have a decade.
The american government was smart to divert attention with the iraq war.
its amazing, ...you kill millions then expect people not to kill you...you think a whole new generation of young boys wouldnt want to attack america for these crimes?
america has simply increased its strategic depth in the region with two wars, gotten control over two countries, economically and politically (plz dont give me that bull crap over them being democracies)..we all know these are american puppets..
everyone in afghanistan knows that karzai grew up and studied in pakistan, how did he become the President when there werent any elections! i dont know!
his brother and friends in the government are directly related to drug trading, and this is no big secret....america has been in afghanistan since almost a decade.....did they try to destroy any opium production....no? i wonder why!!
You guys are crazy....even if you meet people who want you to be there, there are loads of people who do not want you to be there.
HOw would u feel, when bush was the president and russia attacked and took over america and said HEY we are simply helping you...
These people are mad at NATO and America because they illegally attacked their country and killed thousands of innocent civilans. Have you guys not seen pictures of young boys and girls who have had their limbs amputated?
when people say their father, mother, children die and suffer ..they retaliate and obv they will fight till the end
it is amazing american propaganda to call them terrorists. If another country invades you ...and the american army defends themselves, would the american army be terrorists.
If america really wanted to help, they could have lifted the billions of dollars of subsidy on their own agriculture products and helped millions of farmers around the world. If america really wanted to help, they could have helped african countries pay off their debts (which china is doing right now)...
if you kill and invade a country, you will get a reaction, ....what is so hard to believe?
life is precious to everybody to al the fathers and sons mothers and wife of all the nato dead soldiers
but how about the innocents afghans being killed everday both by the taliban AND THE AMERICANS dont these afghan not have the same loss sense of bereavements sadness
at least the family of the dead soldiers will be financially looked after fot the rest of their life but how about the afghan did they asked to become orphan did thet have a choice or do they just not matter
so pleses you lots onesided bigoted people take a moment to reflect thank you
Kabuli... we're not there simply because we felt like invading Afghanistan one random day... don't you remember 9/11?
Aussie Jamie – my sincere condolences to you, and to the Moerland family. He served his country, and paid the ultimate sacrifice. My prayers will be with his family, as they endure the days to come, and may they have peace and comfort knowing that they have the support of all of the military families around the globe.
Hi from Australia,
To everyone saying 'kill them all', 'drop the nukes', i say to you, think of the consequences, how long will it be before our enemies start taking up their levels of attacks and start attacking more NATO countries? Bin Laden took responsibility for 9/11, so Bush's obvious action was to attack Afghanistan, the country where he was known to be hiding, whether or not Bush's actions were rightful or not is partially irrelevant at this point, our forces are in the country now, so we need to do as much as we can to try and help the innocent people in the country while we are there.
I will admit, part of me believes that we do need to exact revenge for what they have done, but we can't do that by just going out there and creating more carnage. If we do that, soon the whole world will be engulfed in WW3, and in this day and age with Nuclear/Biological weapons the world will surely be destroyed as we know it.
I would just like to say, 1 of the 2 Aussie soldiers killed in yesterdays attack was one of my best friends who i grew up with. He was due to be married in November and his death has devastated our community. I am immensely proud of him for the contribution he made over there, and he will be greatly missed by all of his friends and family.
RIP Jacob Daniel Moerland
as long as Israel are killing and oppressing the palestinian in gaza there will never be peace in the middkle east and while usa is protecting the israelis blindly , the american will forever remain a target not only in afghanistan or middle east but anywhere that is a fact
kill them all what r thay doing in afghanistan?:
I have 2 sons both marines in afghanistan. 1 is training afghan police officers in kandahar. What we need is someone to go in there and do it right. Where is Patton when you need him. He is the kind of general we need in this war.
Thousands of young Americans have died and been maimed doing a job most of them loved. No one is taking a bullet for anyone in this 'soundoff' so get over yourselves and let our volunteer force make the sacrifices they understand far better than anyone who isn't doing the job. To every individual their own reason. Stop pretending like anyone is doing this for you or that anyone is being forced to die. Until there is mandatory service, your dialog has no reason.
Some of you might oppose this war and that is by all means your right. But you have absolutely no right derogating my brother in arms to beget your arguments. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
When do they release the names of our soldiers??
They will release their names most likely tomorrow, after they have had the opportunity to notify the next of kin. They just released the names of the five killed on Friday and yesterday about two hours ago.
After notification of all the next of kin has been completed the names will be released. This will also include the unit/company/branch of service and details of the incident. I am a "next of kin" and know the drill. It doesn't make it any easier when you only here partial details even though the "car" hasn't come to your door. I do know in this case that they are in the process of notification at this time. It can take time if the next of kin for even one service member is not available to be notified. Please pray for both the service members and their families, even the ones who weren't on that road Monday.
Why don't you all quit whinning! We should remove all the troops and drop the nukes. Let Alla sort them out. Nobody would miss that part of the world and terrorism would be eliminated.
Kill them all....they do not care who they kill over there, in the united states, or elsewhere. why should we care? fight fire with fire. Just like the vietnam war, this enemy does not know defeat. they know patience. they know if they wait it out, the american people will get tired of war and want us out. we must strike at the very heart of the taliban, al quada, whoever.....total defeat is the only solution. and it doesn't just end in iraq or afghanistan. it's only a matter of time before we are in iran(if we aren't already). I would love to see what Patton would think about this sit around and wait theory. Washington needs to stay out of it and let the generals run things. Not let them go rogue, but let the bulldog loose. Make the enemy scared of us. They are nowhere near scared of us.
"Kill them all"
"why should we care"
"we must strike at the very heart of the taliban, al quada, whoever"
Congratulations on learning your foreign policy from Call of Duty Modern Warfare. Good luck fighting "whoever", sounds like you're man enough for the job. What an imbecile.
Ask yourself one question. Do you want to win the war on terror at any cost? It is not a Call of Duty Modern Warfare foreign policy. It is the fact that we were and continued to be attacked by a cowardly enemy. I say "whoever" because the terrorist we face today are not just from the middle east. It is in fact a faceless enemy. Until you liberals and "no war" protestors realize that drastic action must be taken against this enemy, then they win, we retreat, have another 9/11 and we are right back to the drawing board on how to fight this enemy. I am the colonial revolutionary your hippie friends warn you about!
You can't win a war against "terror". Just like you can't win a war against "drugs". Terror is an emotion, terror is a reaction. You can't bomb "terror" until "terror" gives up. Taking over a country won't stop five guys with boxcutters from plotting something in a cave because they hate America. I'd wager these wars have created more terrorists than they've destroyed.
I like how you say you're willing to win this war "at any cost". The Patriot Act, wiretapping, torturing prisoners, Abu Graib, Gitmo. All these things are selling out the principals that those colonial revolutionaries you claim to be one of actually fought and died for. In your quest to secure your freedom you're losing the real liberty you already have. I'm sure you're completely fine with that though. It certainly sounds like it's worth it to you as long as more brown people end up dead.
wow, stupid analogy using the Nazis. The Nazis were invading other countries with massive armies. There was no choice but to go to war then. Now though, this isn't a war. It's battle we will, the world will forever fight . Like cancer. A war give me the impression it will be over at some point. With terrorists, there is no end.
I wonder why people in the media continually use the word "troop" incorrectly. A "troop" is a GROUP of people, soldiers, military horsemen, or even animals. When referring to individuals, one is supposed to say, for instance, "Seven of the ten NATO troopers killed in Afghanistan", not "troops". I guess it's too much to ask of news reporters these days that they use correct English. Our language has suffered greatly ever since WW2. Herb Kincey
In Vietnam, IEDs were called MAs (mechanical ambush); same idea – concealed explosives. Burying them in roads isn't new (war follows people, burying conforms to the relatively barren landscape).
Beating terrorism requires illiminating the reasons for terrorism. Invaders will always be 'sitting ducks' for angry locals. In the mid-east, foreigner radicals moved in, seized land, started blowing up stuff. They bombed a hotel atop unsuspecting allied (British) military officers trying to bring peace... Who were the terrorist bombers? Menachim Begin and the proto-Israeli Irgun. We're still living it. Who's the terrorist and the invader is a matter of perspective. As Jeff Foxworthy might say, "If you can't speak Arabic, you MIGHT be an invader!" (no not funny) The military industrial complex is doing to this country exactly what Ike said it would...
Not a very good day for the occupier then, eh? Obama's war is a b!tCH.
No matter we like it OR not, If we want to end this conflict in Afghanistan, we have to get help from Pakistan, so they can force Afghan Taliban to get on with negotiations with USA.
We have already tried alone for 9 years alone and its not working..
We will have to accept the fact that Pakistan Army / ISI will never let India get into any role in Afghanistan..because they do not want to get encircled by india from both sides..
As soon as we realize above, we can we out of this mess in Afghanistan..
I think it's easier said than done. I think the U.S. wants Pakistan to help as much as possible, but the Pakistanis help as much as they see fit (which is a decent amount, but not enough).
India had the problem of Sikh extemists in the 80s (the average dauily death rate was 20-30.. They also blew up an Air India jet killing over 300).. Strong Police/army/ paramilitary action followed by strong economic growth curtailed sikh terrorism in India..
Today the state of Punjab (where 80% of sikhs reside), is an economic powerhouse of India and the Indian Prime minister is himself a sikh.. Of course, the price was heavy (thousands , including a former prime minister killed)..
To all who think that we should not have attacked Iraq or Afghanistan; it is a good thing and a noble cause to rid the world of tyrannical rulers. Not only is the world better off but most of the people in these countries are not being murdered, terrorized or maimed except by those who want to continue killing innocent people who do not follow their radical views of Islam! The world must stand up to these Islamic radicals since Islam will not! How can they call themselves godly people? Thanks to all who serve and may God be with everyone of you forever!
How is this not covered on the TV? I just got done flipping through CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News for the last half hour, and nothing about this was reported. During Iraq (especially 2004 – 2007), if a soldier stubbed his toe, it would be covered with an explanation on how it is Bush's fault. 10 troops have died in one day, and probably 80% of the nation doesn't even know about it. Ridiculous.
As I keep on reminding you members of the mushroom club that your government is keeping you in the dark and feeding you guys crap. Far more soldiers are dying and are being maimed for life then the US army is informing its embedded media. The situation for America/Nato soldiers in Afghanistan is very,very grave indeed and it is getting worse by the day. You guys need to come to Afghanistan and get to know the reality on the ground. Don't be afraid, take the next plane and come over.
You're dumb, and you get your information from pro-Jihad websites. The number of troops dying in Afghanistan is the same number that is being reported on. The very fact that you've claimed 60 NATO forces have died in one day (in a previous thread) proves to me that you're ignorant.
Hey Mushroom steve, you will always be a mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed crap!!!
Eric, you can call me "mushroom" or whatever... but you can't dispute what I say because you have no argument. You say that I'm fed lies from the military about troop casualty numbers... yet you get your numbers from Pro-Jihad websites who want nothing but all Westerners to die. You have claimed in at least two other threads that up to 60 of N.A.T.O. troops were killed in one day in various attacks by the Taliban. Where are the names? What battalions are they in? That information would have been made public by now. The military can't hide troop casualty numbers because the families have to be informed if something happened. That's why your rhetoric is simply ignorant.
Basically, YOU'RE the one who is fed lies. It'd be nice if you could have a little respect, dude. If you don't like America or websites based in America (like CNN)... then go hang out with your Jihad buddies on their websites.
Where are Saddams "weapons of mass destruction" ?? You believed you govt. on this lie, didn't you?? You govt and army is lying to you through its teeth. Do you really believe that the US/Nato will acknowledge the actual casualty figures, if you are so naive to believe that then dream on, you mushroom. You will always be in the dark and fed crap by your govt.
Eric, I'm not on here spewing crap from my Government. I simply have the ability to think for myself. If you knew me as a person, I have a moderate distrust for my Government, but I have a pretty good indication of what really goes on in Afghanistan. Iraq wasn't a good idea for the U.S. to get into... but we are not talking about Iraq... we're talking about AFGHANISTAN! These are two separate wars.
Do I think N.A.T.O. will accomplish their mission? At the present time, it's really up in the air. I'm not going on here claiming we are whooping the Taliban... because we clearly are not. However, it's not as bad as you are claiming. I'm against what you say because you fabricate clear lies. As pointed out in another thread... you got your information about "35 troops dead" in one day and "60 dead" in another from a website that was heavily pro-Jihad and pro-Taliban. So you mean to tell me that I'M the one fed lies from my government... but the information that you get is accurate? Everyone knows the propaganda that the Taliban spews. This is the same Taliban that claimed 190 troops were killed in the first week of Moshtarek, while only 8 Taliban were killed. That is the biggest crap I've ever heard, but people like you probably believe that. And if you do honestly believe that... than I feel bad for you as a person.
"However, it's not as bad as you are claiming." IT IS WORSE!!! Take the next plane to Afghanistan and come and see for yourself instead of relying on embedded (in bed with the army) media!!! Read in between the lines the latest reports from McChrystal and Robert Gates.
Last time I checked... Afghanistan was NEVER good and fine. Afghanistan has been at war for over 30 years. If you're really in Afghanistan (I still don't fully believe that you are), but if you are... do you honestly think N.A.T.O. leaving is going to stop the war? The forces at hand will just splinter off into factions (just like it was before 9/11) and be just a big civil war for decades to come. Is that something you really want? Despite what you're fed by whoever you look up to, N.A.T.O. is there to TRY to help you people out. If you don't want to embrace the chance to actually become a "peaceful" nation for a change, then you deserve to be at war (in one way or another) forever.
Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that N.A.T.O. leaving will stop the killing and violence?
Ha. Ok now it is at least breaking news. That was NOT there when I posted my first message.
Don't worry dude, because as I've just posted... this story hasn't been covered on the TV, either. They might make a brief mention of it later, but who knows?
My first thought is why is this not front page news in LARGE BOLD lettering rather than 'Apple unviels new I-phone'. The phones are cool, but they are not news especially not any where near as news worthy as a story like this one. People dying, trumps Corparation poised to make billions more any day in my book.
The problem of terrorism/insurgency cannot be solved militarily.. We sit in our air conditioned offices and homes and cars and cry "killl all terrorists".. ridiculous.. No body knows the ground situation.. Remember , Afganistan is not USA.. As a former citizen of India, (and with friends and relatives still there), I have a fair idea how terrorism works.. The root causes of terrorism / insurgency are :
Religion is just a cover..
Eliminate these causes by solid economic development, and terrorism /insurgency will be gone.. Making futile statements like 'kill 'em all' will not work.. You americans need to realize that not every country is USA and works like USA
I think you have a good point. I will not voice my opinion one way or the other. i just hope the one contractor killed isn't my brother, because he is there. I pray for all the others affected. They are just doing their jobs.
I pray the contractor who was killed isn't your brother, as well.
pg – You are so correct in your comment, as was Morgan earlier. Unfortunately, more than the majority of people in this generation do not comprehend or understand how our Int'l relations work, and certainly, they do not comprehend or understand that our governments are completely different and do not run the same in any way, shape or form. I'm a military mom, and I have a political and legal background. It is very difficult, at times, to explain these dynamics to those who want to espouse their far left/far right positions – which I am glad that they have this liberty and freedom to take a stance on their positions (of course, I only think they have this right if they vote) – but they have this freedom and liberty, because my son and my fellow military families have sons/daughters/spouses voluntarily serving, doing the jobs they enjoy and like – going to a war zone happens to be a task they are fully aware of when the volunteer. If more would step outside of the mainstream media to obtain their 'news' – especially the military news, they would find that by listening to the hearings that occur on Capitol Hill, and listen to the briefings that occur in the Pentagon – they would get a much clearer understanding of what, how, and why these wars are being fought, and what steps and measures are being taken to complete the mission, and bring them home. Just my two-cents worth, from a midwest, military mom who supports all of our men and women serving, in any way I possibly can, every day – letters, care packages, visiting a family member if requested (by one serving on the ground) – what exactly are any of you espousing your two-cents worth to support those who are fighting for you to have this right???
Trained them to KILL Soviet Cimmunist! But hey live and learn before ya know it we will elect one pres!
I would be really interested in finding out exactly where some of you get your information. Everyone seems to have an opinion, but I notice that the majority of postings do not have any facts to back up their argument. For example, how do you know that the 9/11 attacks came out of only Pakistan and Egypt and not Afghanistan or Iraq or both?? How many of you have a clearance level that allows you access to this type of information?? Hmm...probably none of you. Which means that you are basing your intel off of the news...interesting since the news is more skewed than half of the opinions on here.
We can't use IEDs, we can't get permission from the "higher-ups".
Check out "Kill Bin Laden" by Dalton Fury – he had a great plan to kill Osama in a pass in Tora Bora by placing a few hundred mines there. The plan was deemed "too risky" and Bin Laden skated away to Pakistan, and then to China.
Islamic terrorists, bad Muslim guys... blah, blah, blah. Seems like everyone got a short memory. who trained them back in 80th against the Russians? Right! The US did!
Suby, if you knew the facts, Saudi Arabia should have been the target (15/19) hijackers came from their. However being that SA is the guardian for the holy mosque this would not have been likely without turning this into a world wide WW III jihad. Read the Koran if you want to know the Muslim perspective, infidels and crusaders!
armchair warriors for the most part, all sitting back on your cushy little chairs posting your stupid little comments when I doubt 1 in 100 of you have ever seen combat or faced what our soldiers face on a daily basis. This is war, and war is an ugly business. A small bunch of lunatics hijacked a religion, then airplanes, and flew them into buildings killing thousands of innocent civilians. Hunt them down, isolate them, and kill them. It's all they understand and it's the only way this comes to an end.
the only problem with all that is the assumption that as long somebody's willing to die for you they should be free to do anything in your name without consideration of logic or reason.
We need to start using psychological warfare. I think if we dropped (full) port-a-johns on them, or launched bees at their caves they'd just freak out. Let soldiers patrol butt-naked and painted like clowns. It's about time the enemy got some PTSD.
What I want to know is what is the end game of these two wars. We will have lost thousands of young men/women and have thousands of young men/women disabled for life, either physically or mentally and for WHAT?? There is nothing over there worth all the suffering...nothing!
Iraq should not be attacked, Bush should invade pakistan and Egypt, All 9/11 terrorist came from these countries.
Hmm. You apparently know nothing about 9/11. "All 9/11 terrorist came from these countries." Really? 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian. That certainly goes against your "all" comment. Also, invading the country who receives the second most foreign aid from the U.S. (Egypt in case you didn't know) would be kind of a stupid idea. And if you think it is a good idea to invade Pakistan... well I certainly understand your "reasoning" behind it, but that is also a pretty stupid idea.
Sorry if I am so ignorant, but what is the reason for this war?....did they attacked us?...do they have nukes?...if any of my questions is not, them please pack your stuff, clean your trash and send the troops back home...!!
Jessica, You are absolutely right.
Jessica,,,,, you stated well and hopefully your mother and father of US's soldier will understand this... Afghan never attacked on any country and also US so why US attacked on Afghans and AFghans are being killed.
Umm, yeah, the dirt bags we are fighting in Afghanistan did attack us. If it wasn't them personally their organization certainly did. As for Iraq, no. They did not. But this news article is about Afghanistan and we sure better continue doing our job there because there are plenty of whacko's over there who need killin...
By the way, I am a Marine veteran who served in Iraq.
I feel sorry for those who got killed, most people in this room are selfish, they are enjoying being at home, eating pop-corn, watching TV, enjoying being next to their GF's, and they ask the troops to stay in afghanistan forever, more and more troops will get killed, more civilian will get killed, more war criminals will get richer, more politicians will get stronger, more terrorists will get killed, more terrorists will rise, for how long long is this going to last? it has been 9 years, and it seems it will last till the day of judgement. God bless
Afghan will just return to training terrorists as soon as we leave (if that ever happens). My prayers go out to all the soldiers and their families. Bring the troops home!!!!!
JasonA, these wars are now the property of President Obama. You may not want to blame the person you elected, but, all the blood is on President Obama's hands now as he is not ending the wars. Obama is the 3rd war criminal in your words.
Why isn't this a major headline? Why is it buried down the list?
Thank you George Bush and Dick Cheney. You are both war criminals.
And you are a moron.
Robert and Wanda please serve yourself a big steaming cup of shut the hell up! I get so tired of the know nothing, contribute nothing, but hey listen to me crowd. I would much rather you lthank the troops for their comittment to this country, even if you disagree with the mission. Grow a pair and wake the hell up, war has been declared on us! The BS analogy with our own Revolutionary War speaks of public education ignorance! It puts our troops on the same level as the POS's that are so CS they will not engage us face to face. Grow the hell up, its easy to have opinion when you have not sacrificed!
Thank you so much for that MSgt!! My husband has been to Afghanistan twice in 2 years and people who have no connection, attachment or knowledge of the workings of war or deployment need to keep their mouths shut.
Just let me get this one straight... The soldiers are over there "fighting for our freedom", the most sacred of which is the right to free speech. But if you aren't a solider or have "no connection, attachment or knowledge of the workings of war or deployment" you "need to keep your mouth shut".
Yes, that's correct folks, only soldiers and family of soldiers should be able to comment on the foreign policy of their nation. Get a grip. Just because people disagree with you, or find these wars to be expensive and uneccessary doesn't make them any less patriotic or supportive of the individuals in the armed forces. You need to accept that.
obama learned very quickly..the president does not run this country..its the corperated war lords we have amongst us..
another point is that more countries should be invovled in afghan if its that important...why isnt there worldwide support with troops and actions..??
Do you not understand that NATO is in charge of the mission there? It is an international coalition in Afghanistan. However, I do think that the other countries invovled should be doing more to assist the mission. I also think that more Muslim countries should be doing something about this if they want to defend their religion.
Are you kidding? Muslim countries and masses are against this war. They never wanted USA to be there, then why in the world they will provide their army? Plus their armies are to fight against their own people. They are not to fight any army.
Wanda and Robert I disagree. What you guys want is what got us into this mess in the first place. These people do not want to run their countries they want to organize terrorism. If we do what the two of you want then prepare for this to happen in the U.S. Reports have been made that the U.S. has been receiving more frequent and numerous plots of terrorism at home than ever before. If we lay off them then that gives them the ability to "organize" or settle in somewhere.
war wont end until american citizens take to the streets and protest..the gov didnt listen bout vietnam until there was widespread protest....the gov runs wars as a business venture for politicians and big corperations...american cannot be the saviour of the worlds population with so many different cultures..ya think the gov would have learned by now...
There were severe protests during Viet Nam even when Johnson, a democrat, was in office. This is different. The protesters today are not sincere, and only wish to have a political tool to injure republican administrations with. This is obvious since the protesters disappeared as soon as the administration became democratic. So don't hold your breath about leaving any time soon.
Robert the fighting we are doing is not about who's country it is, it is about who's world is it. Ours or terrorists. These countries have alot of corruption and have for years. We are trying to bring stability to those who have been harmed by corruption and inablity to defend against terrorism. These countries had no choice of how to live their life and we are trying to bring that option to them. This will be a long war. The world has had a blind eye to terrorism and something needed to be done. Others will hopefully join in because terrorism doesn't seem to be going away. Imagine if we didn't try to fight crime. It's the same principle but eventually others must join in because they don't think it's a problem until it happens close to their home.
what happens when you find out mossad was behind 911 30 years from now will you attack is israel ?your logic baffles me
I agree with Robert post. When a country does not want another country invading and trying to change their way of life...they will fight just like the USA did in the Revolutionary War. Everytime I hear of a conflict in the world – I cringe – because someone from our government will think we need to 'fix' it. Get us out of the wars now.
As a Mother of three soldiers my thoughts and prayers are wth the families. Please continue to lift our military in prayer until the last one comes home.
asa military mom here in missouri i stand behind you in prayer for all or boys over there
We are not fighting terrorism, we are fighting citizens that do not want us there. Bring the troops home; spend the money here where it is needed.
These two wars are useless. When we leave, it will all be the way they want;as it should be. It is their country, not ours.
Germany was not "ours" either . . . should we have stayed home?
During the Second World War, the Germans did not want the US on their land either- should we have left them alone as well? As for the Afghans- during the year I was there, most of the ones I worked with were not opposed to us being in their country.
Robert states: It will all be the way they want; as it should be. It is their country, not ours.
This is somewhat correct, However, in 2001, it was their country and they allowed terrorists to train, plot and initiate a plan that killed 3000 US civilians. This was an act of war. How soon we forget.
Afganistan did not atacked US, Pakistan did. Why we are not doing anything in Pakistan?
Those Iraqi's and Afghan's are going to pay for what those Saudi's did
No, Robert. We are fighting muslim extremists who harbored and sponsored the terrorists that blew up our buildings with our own planes. We need to stay, kill them all and bury them with their faces pressed to the soles of their feet, slopped in pigs blood. Every last one of them. And I'm a liberal.
Every thinking person knows that 9/11 was a false flag operation aimed at getting sheeple like you to go along with a war against Israel's enemies. What will you do when you find out the Mossad was behind it? Will you spout off about turning jews into lampshades? If you weren't brainwashed into thinking that Americans are 'exceptional', you would realize that these people are fighting a brutal invasion and occupation of their land. The purpose of which is to safeguard Israel and steal their natural resources. What would you do if the Chinese did to us what we are doing to the Afghans and Iraqis?
We're depleting Natural Resources? In Afghanistan? What... the beautiful rocks that they have? Maybe some sand?
Robert says "We are not fighting terrorism, we are fighting citizens that do not want us there"
Robert I have been to both OIF and OEF. Just returned from OEF in Feb. I can tell you not one Afganistain citizen said leave our country. We are not fighting the citizends of Afganistain but Terrrist group that are trying to take over Afganistain. If we would not have turned our backs on them when Russia was kicked out we would not be there today. So if we leave before they can run the state with out help. The terriest groups will just take over like they did then another 9/11 will happen.
You speak the truth Robert. I remember reading in the newspapers that somewhere in Boston a homeowner shot a teenager who he felt was trespassing on his property. This was in a "so called, civilized country". Obviously if you invade someones home they will try their best to get rid of you. You can call them any name you'd like, "insurgents', "rebels" I must say you are the only one who makes sense. They are citizens defending their homeland.
Most of the Afgans and Iraqis want us there. It's only the extremists who want us out.
Looks like you are a victim of propaganda during War Time. Ohhhh you poor poor soul. Welcome to something called WAR
I so agree with you. The money and our sons and daughters, husbands and wives, fathers and mothers in the armed services should be home protecting us on our own soil. Keeping our borders protected. Also, something I heard back several months ago talking about the president calling for more troops to be sent to the middle east, even though reports showed the senate and congress majority was against it, AS WELL AS A HUGE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,,,so if we are a democracy, why is the president not going with the majority of capital hill and what the US people want? I support our troops, but not the decision made by one not the majority to be there......it is not his children coming home in coffins.......not him worrying every minute of each day and night if loved one is going to come home. It is not his loved ones dying in early 20s and never given a chance at a life...........or even to run for President....the majority of the American People want our troops home..............sadly not much of a democracy. My prayers are always with our brave men and woman to stay safe and come home soon, we need them here, not over there where the people of the very country we are trying to help is thanking us by killing and attacking our bright wonderful men and woman who deserve better.
Sorry, typo, my message was meant to read as ...Our many sons and daughters.............
You read of so many roadside bombs killing and severly wounding our troups, does the U.S. use roadside bombs?
IEDs are useless against foot soldiers who don't use roads.
not really guy. ieds can be put anywhere. fields, ditchs, in tree tops, walls in homes and its really up to the imaganation of the bomb builder.
Really? Never been in combat, have you. You can set one at any point enemy troops may move through. A trail, a space through bushes, whatever. This isn't new to this war. And it isn't new to our enemy. Just about every military force that has fought in the past century has used some time of "booby trap" to ambush the enemy at points of travel. That's all an i.e.d. is.
Its hard to do that against a faceless enemy.
Mike – regarding your comment on IEDs being useless against foot soldiers not on roads. You are so very wrong here. My son is a sniper, and was blown up by an IED way off any road, and almost killed. It was part of an ambush to attack our snipers and other foot soldiers patrolling outside of Marjah. He fortunately survived, and hopefully one day will heal. He was one of the few that did not lose a limb – but took shrapnel through upper and lower body in level 4 serious wounds (almost dead). So please, do not think that IEDs are limited to the roads – and to soldiers on the roads. We Mothers know differently.
Mike – oh – and the Taliban set them where kids play, mothers walk to get water, etc etc. These bombs do not just take out our troops – they take out their citizens as well. They do not care.
Kill them all....they do not care who they kill over there, in the united states, or elsewhere. why should we care? fight fire with fire. Just like the vietnam war, this enemy does not know defeat. they know patience. they know if they wait it out, the american people will get tired of war and want us out. we must strike at the very heart of the taliban, al quada, whoever.....total defeat is the only solution. and it doesn't just end in iraq or afghanistan. it's only a matter of time before we are in iran(if we aren't already). I would love to see what Patton would think about this sit around and wait theory.
No, we don't use IED's in the same manner. We would typically "mine" the road – that is to say – if we didn't want anyone using the road we would lay AT and AP mines in the road making it unusable. We sometimes create IED's for booby-trapping something however this tactic is pretty rare. I used to teach how to make IED's to Marines. It's not hard and only limited to your imagination.
Coalition forces do not use improvised explosive devices (roadside bombs). That's a technique/tactic used almost exclusively by insurgents. Unfortunately, it has been effective. However, be assured the weapons used by coalition forces are devastating to the enemy, and contrary to some opinions, they take extraordinary precautions to minimize collateral damage, unlike the enemy's weapon of choice (roadside bombs).
you write - extraordinary precautions to minimize collateral damage, unlike the enemy's weapon of choice (roadside bombs). - just plain BS. USA uses fragmentation bombs that kill in a 100 m radius,
like in Yemen in Dec 2009, in the heart of a city killing over 50 wonen and children...
it sounds cold but 50 women and children in the heart of a city is not that many...why don't you google Oklahoma City or the 9-11 bombings?
IIt is against US policy to use roadside bombs. They are essentially mines. We don't do that any more. If we want a command-wire explosion, we'll use a claymore mine – those are still OK, I believe. And in any case, whatever we used doesn't have to be "improvised" – we have lotsa better stuff that iss manufactured and can be put on target much easier than an IED.
No they do not
No, all expolsives emplyed by the US military must have clear targeting of the enemy and minimize civilian casualtiy. Remote denotated bombs are potentially exposed too long to be allowed for the rules of engagment.
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