Why in the first place did humans in this planet have wars (tribal conflicts, revolts, revolutions, world wars) in the first place? Is it usually economic dominance for a projected span of twenty (20) years minimum (or for life?).?
It looks like the main reason is simply conflict of economical interest (solution unluckily is not that simple unlike tribal wars sometimes).
What is it that is so desirable so that major players want to have control of the Middle East that so much blood is being shed?
Can't we not just harness the powers of the winds, oceans, and our sun instead?
Sayed has a point. Its all different if it was the US experiencing the constant impact from another country with completely different cultures and values. The US has no right to interfere with others problems... Its completely ridiculous to even try to say we are trying to maintain peace over there. We are making means worst and carrying on an unnecessary battle. Why are we wasting our men and our people for a cause that doesn't even threaten our country? There are two sides to every story. Yes I am thankful for young/old men/women who are willing to give up their life for mine but is it worth it? Is it worth losing family members to make barely any progress in another country? The US isn't as innocent as we all lead to believe. Propaganda is a real aspect of life and we can't fail to realize that. How can any of you know what you're saying to be true? You don't. The soldiers fighting for the US don't even know why they are there let alone all of us Americans sitting on our computers back home. We should be thankful for the peace our own country has received for the time being and continue with isolationism. We need to mind our own business.
The threat is out there, and I am glad that Obama is concentrating resources in the place where it should have been all along – Afghanistan. We need to have as many funds allocated to help returning service men and women.
Sayed- I have just returned from Palestine, and have a fair understanding of the difference between them and Pakistani. Those American revolutionaries took on the major military power of its time. They did not go hunting for the Tories (British sympathizers) and kill off their entire familiy, or create caos by bombing civilians, because they were an easier target than taking on the British Army.
You glossed over that rag tag army comment. Why are they fighting us? Do they not want to be self governed, dislike democracy? i am not the decision maker, but believe that we would like nothing better than not being there. The key being that locals take hold of their own situation, demonstrate that they have and will continue to subdue terrorists and alleviating the threat to the world, and creating a government that effectively allows its people reasonable human rights.
While I do believe in God, my simple philosophy is that each day represents an opportunity to learn or teach something, value your family and friends, reach out and make friends with someone, be serviceable to your fellowman and help whenever you can.
I don't know what you think the US has to gain in Iraq or Afghanistan, but it is neither worth the cost in money or death being exacted.
Sayed, the story was about how our military celebrate a Christian holy day while overseas. The reality is that our military is present in Islamic countries. The reality is that if Islamic extremists did not come to our shores, we would not be in those countries now. there would have been no public support of a war. The reality is, if these same countries could keep themselves from killing each other, our sons and daughters could come home. Our presence in Iraq is neglible these days, but every day there are reports of bombings throughout the country. I thought Muslims were not supposed to kill other believers? If these countries had policied their own radical groups then we would not feel threatened by them. I believe we walk a very narrow line attempting to honor your traditions while our troops are in country. For every story of the horror of American occupation; there is a story of American troops tending to a child or an elderly woman or any number of occasions where they attempt to give aid and assistance. You want us to believe that jihad would stop if we withdrew our troops. It was my understanding that a jihad was to the death. Should we believe in the honor of the majority of Muslims who are bound to their religious leaders anymore than you apparently believe in our honor as a free nation? Who is being naive here? Historically, Americans have never left a country after a war in a worse condition than it was when we arrived. We have paid enormous amounts of money to rebuild in every country we have ever been in, including Afghanistan. There are more roads now than when we arrived. That can not be a bad thing for any country. Perhaps we should have assisted the Russians in their attempt to conquer Afghanistan. It would have saved thousands of American lives. I am sure Islam would have flourished under Russian rule. Surely the Pakistanis have a vested interest in a neighbor who did not threaten their freedoms. Do they not have a global obligation to facilitate that? The world is a smaller place, everyone must learn to live in harmony with their neighbors, that does not include calling jihad because others chose to live differently. Let's try wishing us a Happy Easter or Good Passover and we will wish you a Good Ramadan. Baby Steps.
My son is an atheist and is currently serving in Afghanistan. He doesn't care if your Christian or Muslin and is confused by the fact that if there was a Allah or God that they don't step in and and stop this senseless war. Or do the gods find pleasure in the misery of man and watch as innocent men, women and children are slaughtered. So bicker among yourself on who is right as lives are lost to see who is right. I will wait for my son's return and together we will enjoy what we have for the little time we what have in this journey called life.
Great! Christian's should be able to celebrate easter in the military. Now, let's have those that are muslim be able to celebrate their religious days in the military. Now, let's have the jewish be able to celebrate religious days in the military. Hindus,Buddist etc. A day or two set aside for atheists would be in order as well. How about an international religious day of peace? How about an international religious week/month of peace. Or could it be that religions are perpetrators of war? If so all religions are terriorist organizations and all supporters are the same. Church and state should be separate. History shows that when churchs rule the military wars are the result!
I would love nothing more than to pull our troops out of there, and let Afghanistan fend for themselves. We are all wasting precious resources on a country that does not want or appreciate our help.My son is a Marine in Afghanistan, so I support him and all of our troops. They are doing their job trying to keep these crazies from killing innocent Americans in the name of Allah.We are obviously spinning our wheels, and wasting our time. So lets bring our troops home before one more drop of American blood is spilled. God Bless America!!
Literati – i am sure it makes you feel manly to talk tough but I am neither intimidated nor I am an Arab since 20% of Muslims are arabs 80% are not. I am all for fighting for self defense whether its for anyone and i am absolutely against killing civilians like those on 911. I felt turely sorry for them but i am wasting my time with you since I bet someone like you cant even tell the difference between a Pakistani and a Palestinian, Arab and non arab. Frankly i also give a rats ass about your opinion and people like you since someone like you can be found crawling on the walls everytime you open a gutter.
Now as far as radicals dont forget America was won by a militia/radicals. Your own forefathers – that you are so proud off – were TERRORISTS for Britishers. You want the Radicals gone, get out of our lands and leave our affairs to us – Funny one of the demands of your forefathers to Britishers – and dont forget if you read the history Britisher were talking really tough and acting tough as well. Secondly yesterdays soldiers of God are todays Terrorits? Wernt you supporting the very same people who were your buddies/allies and best frieds while they were fighting Russians but now since they turned againts you, they are your enemy? What a classic difinition of Hypocrite and classic example of hypocrasy.
Let me tell you Gods law. David will always slay the Golieth. Doesnt matter how big or tough Golieth is since he is not bigger and tougher then God. Do you beleive in God Literati?
Secondly who do you think you are fighting? ARe you even fighting a professional army with Tanks, fighter planes, big professional army? You feel really manly fighting the rag-tag militias who fight you with AK-47 and RPGs, who runn around in sandles while on the other hand they have the most powerful army in the world with most powerfuly airforce in the world with most powerfuly navy in the world? Let me tell you, you are known by your enemy which means the stronger your enemy is the braver you are to go and fight them. Is there any other army on the planet more powerful then US army?
So dont talk tough and dont act tough. You are not. Educate yourself in the realities of the world and try to do something to make this world a better place for everyone and if you cant keep your mouth shut.
Amen, literati... amen to that. what people like you, sayed, fail to realize is that you can not blame us for retaliating. if you want us to leave, learn how to deal with your own problems, instead of sitting back, watching our troops give their lives for your people, and doing nothing but complaining. learn some responsibility.
Sayed- If you dealt with your radicals first , we would not be there.
When you put the US in a "hit back" position, you will find us not very good at measured response.
Frankly, for the most part, we could give a rats ass about your freedom. When it threatens ours, as it did on 9/11 (Those arabs flying over NY and PA, that you seem to have forgotten). By now, I hope that this heinous act, which was so celebrated in the middle east, is getting its just accounting as far as what "hit back" means.
as long as you have rats, we will continue the extermination.
Sooner than you think, we will be free to spend 33 cents of every dollar we earn, the government having dibs on the balance, which they will, or have already spent on our behalf.
Of course, these citizens of the nations that we liberate, will be free to elect the people who will spend their money and make most of their decisions, just like we have.
What a wonderful world we live in and continue to bring freedom to.
Saving Freedom? Stop with that nonsensical B.S. that you all have been fed and you keep on repeating like mindless zombies. Who is threatening American freedom? Are boys from Baghdad in downtown Washington D.C.? Are boys from Kabul flying F-16s overs Chicago? or are boys from West Bank and Gaza grabbing land in midwest? OR is it the other way? So whose threatened? You all have been lied too and deceived by dummie president Bush and his "Israel first" cabinet but are solely responsible for your stupidity and gullabiblity.
Listen and listen well America. We the muslims donot want to conquer US, we donot want to change your lifestyle, we donot want to impose Sharia on you, we donot hate your guts, we are not planning to fly the green flag of Islam on your white house. What we hate/despise is the presence of these foriegn armies on our lands whether Russian, American or proxy armies like that of Israel. Occupiers are Occupiers. We despise your killings of our civilians, We despise your support for Mubaraks, Karzais, Fahads and Abdullas who are there to protect the interest of US and not of their own people. Especially when you claim to be the champion of freedom and human rights while supporting these incompetent thugs who talk about democrasy like Musharraf but then can never deliver. If there are open elections today in Egypt, Jordan in Saudi Arabia etc, i will bet my life all of them will be gone just like Musharraf in Pakistan. Anyone remembers Musharraf? Where is he now?
Remember the majority of the world trade center terrorits were Wahabi/Salafi and you attacked and destroyed Iraq? UBL is wahabi/salafi and so is AlQaida and Talibans ideology but you just paint all of us with the same color. There is a bomb blast everyday in Pakistan becasue Pakistan is helping US in her fight against these Ba$tards but not a single thank you. Do more, Do more, Do more thats all we hear.
And if you dont beleive me for what i am saying then just read "Imperial Hubris" by michael scheuer. He is ex-CIA responsible for catching BinLaden. Muslims are not pissed off at the West for the reasons that you are being told, they are pissed off due Occupations, interferences in their lives, the disrespect of their sacred under the smokescreen of freedom of expression.
The very same reasons you will be pissed off too if someone did it to you.
Read Imperial Hubris and stop with "saving freedom" B.S. mantra.
I agree with Vivian. We have loved ones there to protect idiots like you. makes us wonder if our childrens sacrifice is worth the likes of people like you. We need to bag you and your kind up and drop you in Afhanistan and see if you think we need to be there and see if you drop to your knees and pray to God for help.
The spin is ...we have sons and daughters giving their lives so Idiots like you can have "free speach" to say stuid stuff like what you just said!
Yeah and im in AFghanistan And all this abrams tank stuff is not true were here to help this country get back on its feet so it can take care of its self were not here killing people were mentoring them so yeah we are here serving so jerks like you can be free but also to help other people in need
evil is all around us,just read the Bible and you'll see how close we are to the return of our Lord, just the fact that people are inbold to say crap like our troop are bad, we are the last hope for this sick world, and it's our job to fight for freedom,pray for our Country please we're going to need it.
The "spin" is that these service men and women are doing an incredibly difficult work under tough conditions and constant danger and Sunday they tried to observe their individual faith. I bed you are sleeping in a warm, safe bed tonight. They are not. God Bless them.
What's the spin with you, my son's a Marine stationed in Afganistan. He didn't choose do be there but he is anyway, fighting to protect America. Even jerks like you.
The "spin" is that there are brave men and women out there who didn't get to celebrate Easter in the traditional way because they are in a foreign land. The "spin" is that you owe them your gratitude for their sacrifice, and people like you should be eternally grateful there is no draft in this country.
Happy Easter to all. And a heartfelt thanks to every serviceman who couldn't be with his family this year.
And what is the spin here? That Jesus rode into the East Gate to the Temple on a Abram's A2 Tank on his way to successfully kill all of the people inside and steal all of their loot?
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