i agree with Tahera Nassrat.why everone bring religion has nothing to do with the war in afghanistan.it poverty,uneducation,war,shelter,food,interference of neiboring countries like pakistan and iran that put defferences among the people. the US should provide them with food,shelter,education and security and then see how they will turn their back to the Taliban,pakistan,iran and the other enimies of Afghanistan and its loving people.
At least women can go to school now, the Taliban were the most disgusting creatures of all humanity. Think about some of the laws they had...Flying kites was a felony! Looking out the window was outlawed, all windows had to be small and painted black. Listening to music was not allowed, unless of course you were a talib than you could do whatever you want. Afghanistan had the highest female suicide rate in the WORLD under the taliban. People were tortured and brutally murdered for breaking any of the many ridiculous laws. Of course Karzai has a lot to deal with to try and restore normalicy and it isnt going to be easy, but to say the taliban were better is ridiculous.
The majority of Afghans do not want extremism in the country, the problem is that they expected the country to go back to how it was before the taliban, before the Russian invasion which can not happen. To add to that they did not think NATO would be in Afghanistan for over 10 to 20 years. which is causing people to disaprove of Karzai. Most Afghans do not support the taliban, its just that there is a lot of violence now and people resent Karzai for it.
Is ISI better than Taliban or Karzai?
Erika asks: "Why would anyone kill in the name of religion ?"
ANSWER: Allah and Muhammad require Moslems to kill in the name of Islam!!
The Koran says:
– Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme. (8:40)
– Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. (2:193)
– The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. (4:76)
– We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151)
– I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12)
– Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
– Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,"
– Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."
– Mohammed said, " No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir" (infidel).
– Muhammad said: "Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, …"
Now, let Jester (great name!) give us the sentences just before and just after those passages in order to prove that those passages don't mean what they so obviously look like they mean. I challenge you to do that! And, if you can't do it, then stop telling us about the context changing the meaning of those passages.
I am a non muslim but i have muslim friends who are extremely kind and loving. i there say i do not support the religious extremest in any part of the world. The world we live in is getting smaller and smaller by the day, why would anyone kill in the name of religion ? why would anyone kill at all ? i believe no one has the right to snuff out life out of anyone under any circumstance and situations in life except if the person goes against the law and there are legal authorities who should mediate in such matters. Most people who kills in the name of God are doing it for personal gains. We are far too educational in the 21st century, which means we know what our rights is and what our wrongs is. Lets not go back to the stone age when its either you kill or be killed, no one christian or muslim should relapse into such behavior. God, Allah, Zeus, whatever He is called created us human all equal, regardless of age, race, status, or whatever.
@ Cousindna – its good to see you took some time! kindly read them again and in context of the sentences before and after them..
your comment can be best explained by the following sentence
"I will kill you ,if you attack me" ..
you my friend have taken the first part of the sentence! Everything in Islam is totally according to human nature and behavior!..Bible also talks about Jesus coming and killing the antiChrist so according to your common sense Bible is also teaching violence!
somebody wrote about women rights in karzai government, oh yea there was no prostitution during Taliban era, this is your version of freedom and women rights, That explains why women in west have been brainwashed by your brands and media to expose themselves and loose modesty
at least they were controlling rebels, thief, even a women was safe in night if she wants to travel, now no one can travel after sunset
thanks to every 1, if Taliban were bad, Karzai is the best
Wat ever the meaning of Jihad one derives for all the possible texts available.. the fact remains that it is the countries with max muslim population that are invaded and pulled into war or subjugation by various countries. it is not muslims who are doing jihad, but a few ppl who claim to be doing that. On the contrary, it is war against them, their countries.. Ppl stop talking and look around, may peace prevail in the world irrespective of the religion and social and economic conditions.
Oh God.... this is just a small example of Muslim and Islam...if you people can not agree on one point, how the parliament and country will agree on one constitution... that is why Afghanistan will never have victory, peace and interdependency. This is a civil war....people are fighting on each other idea and every one wants to be a winner.
Everyone is rising from every corner under name of Muslim and wants to translate Quran, but remember Afghanistan speaks in Dari not Arabic so stop translating something which you don't know what exactly it says. Try to use your common sense and stop running behind Quran translation, Islam and Region like 10 centuries. I don’t know why most of people in Afghanistan, fight for Quran translation and are running behind women to cover (like Parliament), they have no idea that with out Quran and Islam, there are serious issues which has to be considered in a country, like shelter, food, medication and support. Keep Islam, region and Quran in your heart, and respect it with honor. Live practically and use your mind and brain to take the right decision.
Karzi is a weak president, but let's accept that when he came to Afghanistan, we had nothing, Afghanistan was like a wasteland with out water and he had to start from scratch...so whatever we have today is because of him and he deserve an appreciation. However, I am not one of his fans and whatever he is doing is not enough, but that is better than nothing. He is not a good president, but again better than Taliban or nothing.
People on street are flattering Taliban, only because Karzi can not deliver Justice and equality, but at least he gives people freedom of speech and option to live like human.
People are referring to justice during Taliban; do you think that was justice that a widow wasn’t able to feed her children because she was forbidden to work? Do you think it was fair for her to see her children dying or suffering from hunger and she was not able to do any thing or had no source to go and spread her voice? Probably they don’t know what justice is all about….
Now stop fighting among yourselves like children and try to live practically. Stop running behind Quran translation.... if you really want to know what Islam and Quran says, then its all about Peace, elimination of war and justice. I believe this is enough to know about Islam for living.
islam is a violent religion...........2 sad to say that but its the truth..everything about involves death and misery
There is your problem right there..Qutb, the majority of scholars refute anything Qutb put his hands on. Al-Azhar University even added him to the list of heresay...so yeah.
Anulasvegas is either ignorant or lying. The most popular Sunni manual of Sharia law is Umdat al Salik - The Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law. You can buy it on Amazon or in the bookstores of local mosques. The new edition (from 1994) was approved by the highest Islamic religious authorities of Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt (Al Azhar University). The section on jihad, page 599, says: "Jihad means to war against non-Muslims and is etymologially deried from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion." This Sharia law manual then goes on to quote verses from the Koran which provide the basis for this definition of jihad. There is not even a hint about struggling to make a living or to put food on the table or studying to pass an exam. That is pure nonsense which would be laughed out of any mosque. Does Anulasvegas think that he knows more about Islam than the most respected Islamic religious authorities who have spent their whole lives studying Islamic doctrines and texts?
ABUL MAUDUDI, the most important and popular Islamic writer of the 20th Century, wrote: “The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power that gets in the way of that goal, Islam will fight and destroy.” Will Anulasvegas dare to compare his qualifications to explain Islamic doctrine to the qualifications of Abul Maududi?
cousinda if read the suras that you forgot to read before and after the suras you mention you get the answer
Abdulameer, you completely mis define the word " jihad". it does not mean make war or fight non-Muslims. you may have said this as a result of western mead define jihad. jihad mean struggle. if you struggle to make a living or to put food on the table for your family that is jihad . and also as a student if you study really hard to pass your exam that also jihad. please people don't try to paint Islam a bad name based on western media propaganda.......
Ahmed should read his own Koran. He is wrong about the Koran calling for killing of non-Moslems only in case of self-defense. The Koran was delivered over a period of 23 years. The first period was the Meccan period when Muhammad was just starting out. He had not power. Consequently, verses in the Koran called for tolerance and mildness. Ten years later, Muhammed and followers moved to Medina and began to acquire political power. Then, the Koran began to endorse fighting in self-defense. Still later in Medina, when Muhammad had acquired absolute power, the verses of the Koran began to call for offensive war on non-Moslems in order to spread Islam, not any longer for self-defense. These are the three stages of jihad as clearly outlined in the Islamic schools of jurisprudence and the philosophy of the Muslim Brotherhood. Check out Seyyid Qutb's "Milestones". Check out the writings of Abul Maududi. Ahmed cannot produce any context from the Koran which contradicts the verses which cousindna quoted above.
abdulameer'scomment are far from those specified in Koran. So he had better read islamic law and then comment here.
Nowhere does islam authorize eternal war against non mulsims unless non-believers invade muslim land and prevent muslims from performing thier muslim rituals like prayers, fasting, hajj etc.
To my knowledge and belief, not one country exists on the face of earth that prohibits practicing the religion of Islam. period. Look at USA, the most free society. And india, no restrictions at all.
And declarration of war, as per islamic books, has to eb done by the president (ruler) of the country.
To Cousinda, et. al.:
Why do you bother to translate a verse of the Holy Quran without bothering to include the parts or verses leading up to that specific verse. Btw: a surah is a complete chapter, beautifully written I might add, that has a beginning and an end. To make your point more accurately: read the whole surah, then comment on that specific verse in light of the other verses.
And yes, the Quran calls for the killing of non-believers; but only those who fight you and your cause; that includes occupiers and invading forces. A Chrisian or a Jew are people of the Book, and are not considered non-believers; therefore: stop scaring all of our brethern that we are after them to rid the world of non-believers. Islam is a great religion that calls for peace amongst all people; Muslims and non-Muslims alike. However; it is every muslim's duty and obligation to fight for his cause if he, his family, his country, or his religion is attacked.
Abdulameer and Hikmatullah
Western scholars apparently cannot read. The following Suras are quite clear
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those whobelieve with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Personally I fail to see the difficulty in understanding these Suras. What I do have trouble with is believing that they are words spoken by Allah against his own children. I think Muhammad just "invented" them for his purposes.
**I don't support Karzai or the Taliban.
It's a sad day when a President is compared to the Terrorist.
No absolutely not ...
as we know that when karzai came to Afghanistan in 2001 and set in presidentioal palace as a president of Afghanistan.
country was completely like a desert and actually the previous government
so he has done a lot of thing he brought peace freedom and good situation for every afghan specially for afghan woman wrights he brought a good wrights according to the constitution of Afghanistan ...
at the end i want to realized that i am not supporting Karzai i am agree that he has some
points but he has more useless points for the current situation of Afghanistan..
The Taliban will always have more appeal to the religious Moslems of Afghanistan than the Karzai government - despite the fact that the Karzai government is based on an Islamic constitution which prohibits any legislation that contradicts Islam. The Taliban want the strict application of Sharia law which all religious Moslems acknowledge as Allah's holy law. Part of that holy law is to conduct permanent war against non-Moslems. Shariah law plainly states: "Jihad means to make war on non-Muslims." The Karzai government is cooperating with non-Moslems instead of making war on them as the Koran, Muhammad and Sharia law require. Therefore, the Taliban stand on firm religious ground against the Karzai government.
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