I don´t understand why people do not realize why America is in Middle East??? This is big question?? Oil and gas.. What European did in the world, robbed all over the wold then build their empires. Europe and America, very simple question how they build all this???? If someone can give me honest answer??? Well about Afghanistan even US also know that they are not going to win over the people who are sticky to their cultures, tradition and ready for die. Alexandar the great tried and failed, British empire tried, Russian empire tried and all failed why????? Now US is going to suicide. My friends remember this is the game of security agencies, politician and busiiness men. They don´t care who is dying, they have their mission even emrican people die ..for them its ok...So think just breif what I said and please try to use brain to analyse yourself about the world not only america... God bless those who love others...
True, the typical muslim is not to blame for the doings of AQ or the Taliban. The extremists are the ones funding and organizing terrorist acts. The muslim culture is a devout culture with ardent followers, its sad to see them wrongfully manipulated into becoming the puppet of a handful of sad, feeble old fools.
Truthbetold is very accurate in his views. Pakistan is a problem, not a means to a solutiojn at this time. They are as corrupt and shifty as the Iranians. Afghanistan is a victim of geography at this point and more personel on the groud is truely the only answer. We are winngin but if we leave or begin to backdown and take our foot of the throat of their enemies it will all be for nothing.
Everything above is coming for a Liberal, American soldier thats been to both Iraq and Afghanistan more than once.
Bobby the real Muslims did not start the war…. The EXTREMIST started the war against the real Muslims and Western countries.
Why isn’t there something being done about Al Qaeda by Muslims?
Muslims started this war, the United States did not start it.
So you are one of those millions of Americans who are brainwashed by spin doctors of the American government. Your govt. tells you that Taliban supports OBL and you believe it. Taliban asked for proof of allegation from the American govt of OBL's involvement in 9/11 but to date no proof forthcoming. They found one passport of the highjackers in the wreck but could not find the indestructible black boxes... INCREDIBLE!!! You govt. spin doctors tell you that Saddams Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction" (remember Colin Powells presentation to UN)...to date no weapons of mass destruction have been located in Iraq. With all these lies used as a pretext the American govt has attacked these countries and murdered hundreds of thousands innocent people mostly women and children. Will you keep on supporting the lies that your govt uses as cover to attacking and killing innocent people?.... so you are an accessory to this mass murder by the American govt............This mass murder by the American govt. is not to make America or the world safe but to boost the business interest of the arms/drugs/oil merchants. WAKE UP!!!
No war can be won without the support of the majority of ordinary people. Is there any support from the ordinary afghans that are in majority? This is the basic question that should be analysed for the conlusion of war in afghanistan. IH
I am a 36 years old citizen of Afghanistan, a person who almost born at the begining of revolution and grown up in this period, currently living in US. I always used to study the sutuation in my country as I was present there as well as due to Iternational media with all my curiousity and know everythin and all sources of problems. I want to summarize all my saying and sugestions regarding Afghanistan and all sources of problem within Afghanistan.what I would like American to do for my country is, changing this currupted government as u all know, especially president(KARZAI) who win the election with 35% fraud, changing system of government from presidetial to parliamentary or federal and encouraging Afghan government to sulve DURAN LINE's issue with Pakistan. These are the 3 importan issues in Afghanistan who challenges our people.if you really want to help us, do as I mentioned above. we would be appreciated.
In his recent posting Eric parrots the Bush/Cheney song that we must conquer Afganistan and the Taliban because Osama Bin Laden prowled around its mountains. I am sure that Eric also justifies our trillion dollar war in Iraq to to 9/11. Fair enough, but if we are really seeking justice and retribution for 9/11, why hasn't our country taken action to seek justice against the Saudi government officials who channeled Saudi Royal Family money to the 9/11 hijackers, or the wealthy Saudi businessmen who did the same?
Worse yet, when 9/11 victims filed several civil lawsuits against these responsible parties, our Justice Department intervened in court to demand that the suits be withdrawn. The victims didn't ask for summary judgement, they only wanted their day in court!
I wish people like Eric could explain to me why our governnmet insists on spending blood and fortune in Iraq and Afganistan, while at the same time paying our Justice Department
employees to act as defense counsel for the Saudi's who financied the 9/11 attacks>
May not be liberty, but is this type of behaviou really "Justice for All"?
@truth be told, please dont exagurate the facts, the US did provide some help to the mujahideen but it was close to nothing...you provided money and some weapons please dont take their hard earned victory from them ...you did not provide them with trainging , pakistan provided them with most of their training and they started fighting long before you even came...the people need a break and u sound like someone who sympathises with the afghan people but thats not why the americans are there ...if they wanted to help and stop the violence they wouldve done things differently...and you are right to some extent about fighters coming from pakistan to attack US and NATO but the same goes for the people you train in afghanistan to send to pakistan...pakistan has its own interests to protect ...u have devastated two whole countries and the sooner you leave us alone the sooner we can sort out our problems ...droping bombs is not the solution...thank you for your help and 2 billion a year but thats nothing compared to what we have lost in terms of life and infrastructure and economy...throwing money at corrupt governments does not give u the right to kill people of two countries
It seems to me that Muslims are very ungrateful people. They always call for an immediate withdroal of the "invaders", though they had being suffering much more before so called invasion. What we have in Iraq now? – a criplling nation which will disintegrate almost imediatelly after the last american soldier leaves. The same picture is in Afganistan. Don't you understand? – you cannot live like other nation because your blind obedience to Islam allows many of those "bad gays" to take over and threaten not only your life but ours as well.
I am not an american but I won't forget how after 9/11 people from Palestinian teritory cheering the attack. Watching that on TV for me it was a horrible view. May be much horrible that crumbling building.
Why CNN did not report about the BIBLE CODES in US GUNS????
This story everywhere!
CNN You are BIASED!!!
The Taliban was a supporter of OBL and his network. The Taliban harboured OBL and co. The facilitated the training camps that trained Atta and his crew. So that makes them accessories.
If you know that a murder will take place and allow the murderer safe haven before and after the fact you are in fact just as guilty as the person who did the killing. I mean according to your logic OBL, and KSM are innocent because they didn't fly the planes into those buildings. Ofcourse you seem to be one of those wackjobs that thinks that GWB was behind it all.
And here is another fact for you to chew on. On 7 Dec 1941 JAPAN attacked Pearl Harbour not Germany. But we attacked Germany first. Why? The answer is simple.....they declaired war on us.
As far as I know, Taliban is a bounch of Rabbits hidding themselves in Caves and they are that much weak that they could not have a base in all over Afghanistan, they have have No frontline, but they are too smart. Why? Cause half of them are working with the Central Government and half od them are fighting the Gov.
And the International Forces have No knowledge of the People group in Afg. even these Taliban are working among the International forces too, but not in face of Taliban, they change their face every time which is needed.
The only way to get rid of these Taliban is to support their enemies in Afghanistan ( The Northern Alies) they are the death Tablet for the Taliban.
I recommand this to all US policy makers to use this Method and you will see the result as you have seen in 2001 when the US Aircraft were dropping Bombs and the Northern alies were defeating taliban from all over Afghanistan.
Wahid from Germany
This Afghan NATO WAR is waged by greedy, corrupt cynical people on all sides and they all are only in Afghanistan for monetary reasons and not compassionate reasons. The common man in Afghanistan is caught in the middle of their greed frenzy and it is the common Man that suffers the most. The NATO soldiers are well armed, earn good money and are well fed and they can all look forward to returning to their wonderful country’s after a few months of service. The opium trade has never been better and the defense contractors are getting richer by the day! But the common man is the one that suffers the most.
after reading all comments i come to know that people still dont know about afghanistan or afghanistan people.
No one talked about millions of afghans like me, i was born here and still i m living in this country but i dont live in a 7th century i feel i m like any other person in this world.i read about withrawing of US and NATO from AFG. but if that happens what will happen to the million of people like me am i not part of this world.i know situation is at its worst in the country but remember most of the afghans still support US,NATO and international community to be in the country and i can tell everyone WHYYYY
Today we have tounsands of schools open for boys and girls where they can study.
Today 90% of afghans can visit clinics and hospitals at thier close range.
Today we have thousands miles of proper roads for transportation within prvinces in AFG
Today almost 10 million afghans are connected with outside and inside through mobile phones.
Today we have over 20 news, music, entertainment TV channels
Today we have over 20 private universities beside government universities.
Today we have 4 national airlines and people fly with them daily within and outside the country.
We never had above faciliies in the country nothing was left for afghans in the past 30 years of war.
I know still its not enough security should come first but we afghans are optimistic.and also everyone should note that the war we afghans US and NATO are fighting is not for the better of afghanistan BUT THIS WAR IS FOR THE BETTER OF THE WORLD
The thing that everyone seems to forget as of late is that on the 11 of September the largest terrorist attack to this date occurred on the fields of Pennsylvania, Washington, and New York. The war was started to find justice for our countrymen and women that were unjustly murdered at the hands of what amounts to a group of sophisticated criminals that have been left to grow and strengthen into something much stronger. The question is not weather the United States should leave the country of Afghanistan but why has everyone forgoten the anger and sorrow that followed that September morning. My suggestion to end the war is to strengthen the Afghani citizens in the rural provinces and allow them to build their own economies so that the yoke of opium production that by the way is used to directly fund the Tailiban and Alqueda may be thrown off and done away with once and for all. The next stage of the plan should be to form a useful and productive government that stands for all the people of Afghanistan and rises above the corruption that has taken hold. This task will be very difficult to accomplish. And finally it must end where it began, with the men that started this war. America as a country must come together as a whole and capture/kill Osama Bin Laden and his lieutenants. Only after the head of this serpent has been burned and destroyed will we find peace in a country that has suffered enough.
Although we are at war, we need to focus more on what is best for our country and the lives of others. many people have different ideas on how to achieve this, some good and some bad. we need to focus on the troubles in our own country such as unemployment, poverty, health care, etc whiel at the same time we need to react and help other countries as well(a catch 22 i know). Fighting amongst ourselves has been around since the dawn of man and probably will never change. the right of the common man to know what is best for themselves and others is needed in this world and many greedy, cynical people out there are tryig to oppress them. the right for happiness is embedded in evryone no matter what color, creed or flag you have, if this mean we must fight to protect these rights, then so be it. however, make sure that we stay on this path of justice and not waver for man's downfall of greed. the common man must be aware of thier surrounding and who is watching out for them as well. you simply cannot rely on the government to protect you. you must not be ignorant of what is happening around you. if unjust actions are happening , it is your duty as a human being to make a stand and let your voice be heard.
Only merchants of weapons-of-death/mass destruction benefit intitially, then comes the re-building of what has been destroyed.
If there are not so much of material value in those places – may be, do we care?
Materials? No big deal . Ideals/principles? Only history can judge – what's right now may be wrong some other time.
the drug/arms/oil mafia just wont let White House pull out of this war, trying to give afghans western culture is like hitting your head in the wall, they will never give up there culture and values.
fatcats or not its ignorance that we see on all sides.__________________
Count it the greatest sin to prefer mere existence to honor, and for the sake of life to lose the reasons for living.
Just wanted to say that how can we not have dialogs with people be they extreme in there beliefs or not. Lets stop acting like animals. Just give everyone a PS2 and a call of duty game and handle it like men. lol.!!! God bless you all. I'm young i can say that. But really times are hard for all religions. We are living in crucial times. Just be patient yall and have faith that all is for a reason. First lets learn how to act humanly before we join our gangs. Just a couple of years ago AFG was a vacation spot. Truly i believe that there is more to this situation than mere politics. If we really wanted peace we could do it. We choose to let Fatcats call our shots.
"Now I do not condone the killing of civilians. But who started this war? We did not strike first, but we will strike last. We wish to live in peace....but will leave our enemies in peices if need be."
America started the war!! The Taliban were not involved in the 9/11 attacks just as Saddams Iraq did not possess any "weapons of mass destruction". America used false pretext to attack these countries and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people mainly women and children.
All are respected. I am an American-Afghan. I have been there. I personally think that this is a pride issue. Afghan Muslims will never give up until there is real justice being carried out in there land. When it comes down to it its a pride issue. My country has been raped and destroyed because of jealousy towards our beautiful Afghans.We have the extremist on both sides going at each others throats. Just be patient. I am worried about the extremes that people are making toward Islam. Those of knowledge know the history of Islamic empires. If this war on Terror is a war against islam know that noone will destroy Islam. On the contrary the opposite will happen, but if its getting aid from real Americans with right intentions then God ALL Mighty protect them. If this is a game to lead the Afgunz to war with the world know that Afghanistan (Khorosan) is known
as the nation of back breakers. Just the way Gangis Khan(oppressors) had problems in this land so will the rest of them(oppressors).
Why do people keep fixating on the idea that this is another Vietnam and that we are in Afghanistan for oil? Why isn't it easier to just accept that we are in Afghanistan for stability (and dare I be cliche and say peace)? As far as I know, we're on track to pull all troops out of Iraq so we are obviously not there to put a base in, nor are we there to take control of their resources, at least not take control unfairly (Oil fields were put on bid weren't they? China won a bunch) so why do people assume it will be different with Afghanistan? Also if you must compare Vietnam to Afghanistan, why do you always ignore South Korea? They are doing pretty well and better off for it. (The direct comparison is North Korea btw if you couldn't tell) Nation building? Japan? One of the largest economies in the world?
Hey taiwantaliban, didn't we save you from China with our promises of protection a few decades ago? Are you enjoying that internet you got from a prosperous economy that came about from stability? How about that freedom of speech you have to post on this site? China's bloggers are being imprisoned for that type of stuff.
Also what is wrong with the punctuation and spelling of posters these days? (I'm sure someone's going to find an error in what I wrote but that just proves my point)
"Now I do not condone the killing of civilians. But who started this war? We did not strike first, but we will strike last. We wish to live in peace....but will leave our enemies in peices if need be."
America started this war!! The Taliban were not behind the 9/11 attacks just as Saddams Iraq did not possess any "weapons of mass destruction" but America started these wars on false pretext and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people mostly women and children!!!
Listen people, we did not chose to fight this war. It was forced upon us, not by President Bush or any other American entity. We have been attacked countless times by Islamic extremists ever since the 1970's. For decades we overlooked it. We did eveerything posible to avoid armed conflict with terrorists.
In 1993 when Ramsi Yousef bombed the the WTC we treated it like a lawenforcement issue. The story goes on and on. The thing that changed the situation and woke the American people up was the cowardly acts of 11 September 2001.
Now I do not condone the killing of civilians. But who started this war? We did not strike first, but we will strike last. We wish to live in peace....but will leave our enemies in peices if need be.
Why are so many soldiers sent to die in Afghanistan? When the US fought against the Japanese in ww II the problem was solved in a much easier manner. Instead of allowing the taliban and other terrorists in Pakistan to get access to power and nukes one should just avert the danger in the same way as it was done in Japan – evacuate the civilians, get the army out of their region, and drop a nice bomb on them – that will also kill the guys in the caves.
Most comments are very good, but are they practicle?
When almost half the population is supporting Taliban, it is hard to build a nation or get rid of them all! None of you is going to like what I am about to say. Education is the key to teach people what is basically right and wrong, and religion plays an important role. Islam may be teaching peace, but which brand of Islam are we talking about? A concept of universal good is simply not there, or how could they kill school children in the name of religion? Taliban and Al Kaida must be defeated to give people freedom, or we will be debating this for years to come.
When has standing up for those that do not have the means to do so for themselves been evil? Are American intentions in Afghanistan 100% noble? Could the Afghan people (the true people of Afghanistan) stand up against foreign powers, be it Western or not? In a global world in which all people are connected economically, politically, and/or ideologically should those with the power to aide those with none do so?
KUDOS Afgan soldiers in Kabul You faught the battle your self and won your rights this day. I seen in your eyes after the battle was won the pride that makes Americans a super power. This is what we want for you the ability to be a great nation your self. The more you continue to carry your self in this manner and protect your citizens the more they will start trusting you and taking in that same pride in you.
The US has to win here. If we don't we will expect more attacks on US embassies and pretty soon our soil. If the people will just give us a freaking chance and help us out. We're not going to occupy their country. The people have to realize that we aren't the Crusaders, the British from the Naglo Afghan Wars, or the Soviets. And the Taliban say that they declared jihad against us. What jihad? Those wars back then, that was jihad. This isn't jihad! Murdering civilians and striking fear into your own people is not jihad. This is not God's will. You don't have to be a Christian or Muslim to figure that out.
Thank you Truthbetold for the accurate update.
I am right now sitting in my office in Kabul and working on daily basis with Afghans. They are moderate Muslims and were either persecuted during the Taliban era or flew abroad to avoid them. Now they are back in their country, trying their best to rebuild it and thanking the USA/NATO for the help.
I am not American nor am I an unconditional supporter of the USA but I know how to recognise help when it comes to people.
Nothing is perfect in this world but I do believe it is the duty of the richer nations (I am from one of them) to help others to bring up their living standards and erase illiteracy. Then, with education, the populations can actually be the master of their destiny and not be the blind slaves of warlords who tell them what to do or not to.
The funny thing is that when there is a disaster happening in the world like now in Haiti, the whole world is one and eager to help the people who are in need.
There is a urgent need to stop slaughtering people throughout the world either for political religeous or any other power gain.
Peoples of the whole world can if they put their mind to it stop all wars and devastation, its just the WILL to make a lasting peace with all nations!!!
STOP ALL WARS!!!!!!!!!!!
"We did attack Hiroshima and nagasaki. Did you ever hear of WW 2 ? It started for us with a sneak attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor. Get your facts straight before you start randomly putting up posts ERIC. "
Where the hundreds of thousands that died and are still suffering from the American atomic bomb INNOCENT CIVILIANS or the perpertrators of the Pearl harbour attack???? Most that die from American bombs are innocent civilians, a sure way to increase the hatred against Americans!!!!
this is in response to sensible center. U R right afghanistan is poor, the Russian and the British kept afghanistan like that for the past almost 200 years, and then after the 1978 the United state added to thier distructions, If all those countries would left afghanistan alone afghanistan woud not be like that, I want to ask u a question senible center if you smart, do you know why first the british second the russian third the united state wanted to invade that little country do you know why? there has to be a reason. in case you R not so smart, that little country its window to asia its full of resources and its next door to china russia iran pakistan and india, united state wants make a base there to watch all those countries, but dispite of afghanistan being used by those world powers at the end afghanistan will be winner, and it would out last all the super powers If (If) U know what i mean.
First of all you are an American, and you American always are so quick to judge. Second of all you sound like you are extremely racist towards MUSLIMS. I agree wtih many of these post that the Americans / NATO should leave. You are neither Afghan nor "god" to be able to decide wether or not the Afghan people want you in there land. You Americans only cause WAR for one primary reason that's to increase your economy. Just cause your economy is crumbling to bits and pieces you look at WAR as an employment and way for the gov't to spend money. I think you American's need to leave the lands and let the people of Afghan decide their own faith. Who gave you role to be the decision makers? As we all know you Americans are the real TERRORIST and like to stick your fat heads everywhere. And I do agree with the fact that their are a FEW Afghans that would want the military to stay and the American media does an excellent job at blowing it out of proportion. Americans are the ones that provide all these weapons to all these 3rd world countries and cause chaos.
P.S. TRUTHBETOLD I can also tell you are a REDNECK.
The most important thing that EVERYONE needs to understand is that Afghanistan used to be a westernized country until the Soviets invaded in 1979 because of the communist sell outs....that now have a place in the current government.
DK I wish you knew your history better.... What do you mean the Pashtuns are fighting for the freedom of Afghanistan? Does that mean that all Pashtunss are Taliban’s? Because last time I check the US Military is fighting the Taliban’s to save the Afghan people that want freedom, education and their country back! Afghanistan is home to many different ethnic backgrounds such as Uzbeks, Kabulis, Tajiks, Nuristanis, Hazaras, Aimaqs, Balochis and Pashtuns…..therefore Afghanistan does not belong to the Pashtuns. Based on your comments you sound like someone who supports the Taliban...... You should stop listening to your imams and mullahs and use your brain that god gave you to know the truth.
In case anyone doesn't know....when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan it was the USA that supported the Mujahedeen and gave them the tools to fight a war. Whatever the motive was they have helped the afghan people and allowed countless refugees to come to the US. We didn't even get that kind of support from the "fellow Muslim" Countries!
taiwantaliban let me help you out a little....Afghani is the currency! Again with your comments you sound like a supporter of the Taliban and I bet you're not even Afghan! Majority of Taliban’s that are killed and captured come from all over such as Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and clearly AFGHANISTAN does not belong to any of them! Afghan people support the US...We don't support the people that flock from nearby so called Muslim countries that make Afghanistan a battle ground.
Oh and by the way for the past 9 years a lot has been accomplished that many people don't see in the media….I wish folks would stop criticizing the US for what is not being done but rather what they have done and research it and thank a US Soldier/Afghan National/Tax payers/ Afghan people that support the Military.
American University of Afghanistan
Polytechnical University of Kabul
Kabul Medical University
Kateb Institute of Higher Education
National Military Academy of Afghanistan
Peshgam Institute of Higher Education
Rana Institute of Higher Education
University of Pedagogy
just as it killed innocent people in Vietnam, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you Americans go and attack people in their country then you have to expect what has come
We did attack Hiroshima and nagasaki. Did you ever hear of WW 2 ? It started for us with a sneak attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor. Get your facts straight before you start randomly putting up posts ERIC.
Afghanistan will never accept a free people , because they have tribes in power. All the warlords either would have to be stripped of power , ( which they will never allow ) or the entire population would have to unite to break them up. Thais is the bottom line. They have to Unite and climb out of the middle ages.
Afghan security forces showed responsiveness and effectiveness. The situation was pulled together in a matter of hours where in other countries it takes days.
The intelegence (and coordination with ISAF) part I think is the weak link.
I feel sorry for the american and canadian solders and the afghan civilians that are being killed everyday, my condolences go to all the families that are affected in this miserable situation, Someone should stop all this, and take a big step, how hard is it to kick these talibans out.
lets not forget the US and its allies attacked AF to remove Taliban and terrorists from power and it was a just war, they are not there to devleop and westernized AF or expolit its unknown resources, there is no oil in Af, nothing actually. But they have faced a much greater problem which was the revolt of the nation against the invadors and Taliban and Pakistan and arab States of the persian gulf misuse this opportunity to fight US and west in Af, by AF people! so Afghanistan is now the battle ground of a much bigger international struggle, as during the soviet time and the cold war was between US and USSR.
Unfortunately due to the issues that you all raised, this will be another Vietnam and USA and others do not have the ability and sophisitication to deal with local warlords and religious people who are manipulated by Taliban and mad Mullahs and very naive in understanding an old Islamic tribal country.
AF has one option, to find a strong dictator with some pro-west views, give him money and arms and ask him to destroy Taliban and rule with an iron fist. When there is order and peace, development will happen and maybe a gradual democratization, it will be a very very long process and culture of Afghanistan is not ready for westernization or that type of freedom yet. sorry to say, we could not seduce ourslves. US aim there is to destroy terrorists and should do it, but this is not the proper approach. this is not the job of westerners and their soldiers, get out and save your troops, there is no victory. find an Afghan to do it for you, and not the corrupt useless Karzai. that country firstly needs security, peace and stability now, democratization and modernization will follow if you have a strong central government. During the Davoud and even communists, AF was much more modern and safer place, because there was a strong or legitimiate central government.
Please stop the madness before its to late . The US and NATO have not gained anything from this ivasion, September 11th happened and the terrorists gave there lives and got away with it and accomplished there mission and by Nato and the US invading Afghanistan after the fact has not made the world or Afghanistan any more secure. I ask again please stop this madness of war . How bad would the situation really be if in fact the Taliban ruled Afghanistan? probably better than it is now. Nato ,Karzi and the US are just as corrupt as the War loards and everyone else, lets all stop the blame game. Either the US and NATO fix it or get the hell out of there.
all people that are in this war ,you will feel pain forever,the dead are free...stop all wars,,,lets all be free alive..
Invasion? Why would America WANT Afghanistan? Why? It's poor, miserable, corrupt, brutal, and living in the 7th century. Problem is, you have 7th century mentalities with 21st century weaposns, and nukes next door which could kill millions of innocents. They supply death across the world with their opium production; they harbor international murderers who seek destruction of those with different religious beliefs.
But for the danger it poses, there is no other reason to be there. Tragically, that is reason enough at this time.
The heartbreak of knowing that Afghanistan enslaves half their population (the women); burns their female family members at will; lets their children suffer horribly; and lives on death as a value to be revered is knowledge we must live with unless they have a will to change – you can only help people who wish to be helped. I suspect that will take several more centuries, if they have several more centuries.
The minute Afghanistan is no longer a danger to others, we should, and I'm sure will GLADLY be gone. There are plenty of people who WANT the assistance of developed nations to make a better future for their people – if we interact with other countries, it should be with such as those. I the meantime, we shoud pray for the innocents of Afghanistan, that is all there is to do.
What I don't understand is that most of these age old wars is based on Religion and belief. The Taliban and all other such so called terroist organizations have a set up of principles based on thier belief. They feel threatend by the western beliefs because in some ways they conflict with thier own principles. Whether one wishes to live a western lifestyle or an eastern, who cares people? Let one be free to choose, live and decide for them selves. How can one destroy a complete strangers life based on what they believe or how they wish to live. A person who is just trying to survive, provide for their family and believe honestly and sincerely in a way that they feel confortable with, should be able to live that way without tensions. I am not islamic, muslim, catholic nor am I christian or any other known faith. I was raised to be able to make my own choices in life, and make my own choices in faith, and for this I am very thankful. Due to the centuries old wars that embraces this planet over belief, I have decided to remain who I am, and neutral. I have dear friends that are islamic, Muslim, Christain and Catholic as well as other religions. And I accept all of them for who they are and thier beliefs. I respect them for staying true to one self, but we do not judge one another on facts of faith. I know thier is maybe more to it then faith, but what disturbs me, is that childish school yard like minds cannot accept nor coincide with one another. Groups like the Taliban and others that are in the wrong! Why kill innocent people, and afterwards apologize for it, what is done is done, another tactic to win the hearts of free men and woman. If you truely believe in your faith and love the almighty that you follow, then you will know that one must not harm another, (read through the metaphores) and that we can all live in without conflicts over faith! However, as I said before, its thier child like and primitive minds that blind them to see this. Its a shame that good and honest people who are caight in the middle have to go through all of this trouble and live in fear. I know some may disagree and some may agree to what I have said. We are all entitled to our thoughts.
I would not assume the goal in Afghanistan is to westernize the people ,but is more along the lines of helping a country better stand on it's own. Yes, western culture may influence some Afghan people ,but the real goal is to help the people. If you rather kill someone for taking that aid as the Taliban does then I would think them to be more harmful then the people bring medical supplies. The sad thing about the whole thing is that some people can't look past their hatred of the west and see that the people of that country need the aid that is being given. In the end God will judge us all on our actions Taiwantaliban. We can only do what we think is right...leaves us in quite a bind.
I do agree with you all with the nation building idea. But the issue of war is not my prefered choice. We all need to respect each other reliogion and if at all the sheikh the imam and any other muslim leaders or in authority with of course good knowledge of the Holy book should guide the desperate people spiritually as a first step to reconcialliation. We all know where there is no peace chaos and fantism flurish. Why should we allow this to spoil our co-existance with the rest of world??? Can all the war lords and government leaders take the moral and political responsibilities to clear this mess??? Lets teach the young ones positive values of our various religions and not hatred,love and not war.
i am 10000000000% agree with taiwantaliban, because USA is come to Afghanistan for take ressource and keep eye on Russia and of course the USA new enemy Iran. beside they want to kill Pashton in Afghanistan, so they can take afghanistan very easy. The only people fighting for Afghanistan's freedom is Pashton, and USA don't like them. But USA can't stay in Afghanistan more, they lost this war in afghanistan like in Vietnam and respect too. But generaly they want to remov islam religion.
Why don't you Americans open your eyes and see that you are being exploited by the arms/oil/drug merchants who are controlling any president in the White House. Without this useless, illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan they will be out of business. The American war machine has killed and continues to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan just as it killed innocent people in Vietnam, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you Americans go and attack people in their country then you have to expect what has come and will be coming your way. It is easy to see who is the biggest terrorist that is terrorising the world. GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW before you Americans are totally humiliated!!! AMERICANS/NATO CANNOT WIN IN AFGHANISTAN!!!
The utter ease in which the Taliban were able to penetrate to the very hub of the Afghanistan Hub of Government indicates a great many Afghanistan people hate the American CIA handpicked and installed President Karzi and his corrupt government. Mission accomplished CIA, time for the American troops to come home!
I spent three years in Afghanistan. The reason many Afgan troops and police are sent to further away provinces instead of their hometowns is because despite their position, they would be under the thumb of local henchmen and warlords.
The warlords (there are about 13 main ones) are the authority in many regions. The Taliban are allowed to function in these areas with the go ahead from these warlords, and often the warlords (some who have as many as 12,000 militia at their disposal) allow "soldiers" from their ranks to join the Taliban on a temporary basis.
Really, we don't understand the depth of the culture in Afghanistan and it will be incredibly difficult to establish any type of lasting peace or agreements. The government is largely confined to Kabul as far a having any impact on the people and as has been stated in many of the other comments – is corrupt.
Many times I was offered special privilages if I would only pay a tribute to the police. If they are doing this with a common person, imagine what must be offered up to those that really can effect policy!
Please keep in mind that 67% of the population is illiterate. That is the highest percentage of any nation. The uneducated mind is easily tempted and wholly open to anything someone is willing to put time and effort into affecting, and the ones doing it are the worst of the worst. Remember, in muslim countries, Islam is first, second, and third in priority. Try to think of it as a modern dark ages, that is essentially what we have in Afghanistan.
I do believe in what we are trying to do is a noble and just cause, but effecting the changes and sustaining them will be next to impossible to do.
I feel very bad as an American...
Why did we enter? So much lives, so much money...
Taliban wants America out and live by their own rules.
Who put America as a world police?
Haven't we learned anything from Viet-Nam???
This "war" in Afghanistan and elders in the middle east is not going to be won by anyone or anything at any time.
Young brave men will keep on dying for a lost cause.
The French in Viet-Nam lost it, The Americans also lost it in Viet-Nam.
The Russians high-tailed it out of Afghanistan, the list goes on!.
Its all about Oil and nothing else.
Stormy Norman had a go but was told to stop by his government, had he been able to go forward at that time, we would not have been in the situation we are finding ourselves in at present.
Its time to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan and let them get on with it!!
There is nothing anyone can or should do in that regeon short of dropping the bomb, but that will never happen.
I feel sorry for the Afghan people who will suffer a further 35 years of hardship under the Moslem Fundamentalists oppession.
The government in Afghanistan is corrupt, but then again what government isnt? Ever heard of an honest politician? I sure havent. Maybe before we focus on other nations why not work to fix the issues in our own country. There are poor people in Afghanistan its true, but with an unemployment rate nearly as bad as ever with the exception of the Great Depression there are plenty of American's who are just as needy. I applaud our government's recent response in Haiti, why can't our same government help its own destitute citizens the same way? The U.S. is expert in helping others, I think its time that we focus some of that effort to help our own. Some perspectives to ponder.
If by "westent" and "westend" you mean WESTERN then I would have to say the people of Afghanistan would absolutely love to enjoy the same freedoms that the citizens of western-style democracies enjoy. I think it is ridiculous to think that Afghans don't want freedom of speech, or religion, or open-markets, or democratic elections. It seems to have worked well for Americans, Canadians, British, French, Japanese, Australians, etc...but what do they know anyways??? It must be nice to express your opinion like that on the internet though...how horrible... ... GeT iT TogEtHer man!
do you meant help them to build a westent home for afghani?and demanded them to live in westend life style ?thier answer is clearly NO!bec't it meanse nothing,it's not help !it is called invasion in any other languige all over the world excepted in English -American languige that you doe't realizeduntill today.even it is simply to underatand.
As an 18 year old American Citizen, I agree with you 100%
I just came back from a year long deployment to Afghanistan with the 10th Mountain Division, and I very much agree with Mr. Aref's comments. The ordinary citizen of Afghanistan is currently between a rock and a hard place. They have the US and NATO forces giving them aid and trying to secure the country and then they have the Taliban threatening them and often times executing village elders to both disrupt the security and warn against receiving any aid from the US. More troops are not the answer and I was very disappointed with President Obama's new plan. We need to focus on building and riding the country of corrupt officials. Spend less money building up the government , because as of right now, all it is doing is lining the pockets of the politicians and more money on helping the rural areas become self dependent and the ability to defend themselves from Taliban militias. The Afghani Army and Afghani Police, thus far, have been very useless, manly because the organization does not send troops back to their home towns or provinces, but random often far away ones. So they use their power to also take and steal from the locals, and often, through bribery of the Taliban, help the Taliban. Though the Afghani Security Guards, who are trained locally by the US and paid by the US are kept in their local towns and areas are very effective because they are fighting for their own families and villages. I would like to see the Afghani Army and Police be used on the same idea as the Afghani Security Guards are, give them a reason to fight and be honest.
I agree with the first part, focusing on nation building but the second part I don't. We are at WAR with the Taliban. We should just focus on going after the taliban, not anything else. Go in like Desert Storm and get the job done!
It has been over 9 years for this war. I as a Muslim/American/Afghan , living in the States for over 37 yrs am very frustrated with our gov't reluctance to get rid of Karzai's very inept/corrupt gov't. I just got back from Kabul before X-Mas, God knows the very deserving people of Afghanistan need a chance to lead a decent life after 35 years of chaos. I hope we either concentrate on Nation building to put populace at work , thus weakening the "DAMNED" Taliban from recruiting the very desperate people or get the heck out & let them kill each other until they figure it out for themselves.
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